CIS Ships | Is the HMP Droid Gunship SENTIENT? | Star Wars Ships
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Take a look inside of the CIS HMP Droid Gunship, one of the most powerful Star Wars gunships. With cross-sections and video analysis of its use during the Clone Wars tv show, and games like the classic Battlefront, we can get an better understanding of the CIS droid ship. See how it compared to the Republic Gunship the LAAT, and other Star Wars ships like the Vulture droid, ARC-170, and many other Star Wars vehicles.
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Very likely that that gunship was a customized with a hyperdrive
i think that the droid gunship didnt have enough power left to give a full blast to asoka
@@yassinet5 "asoka" xD
Good thing the Russians are NOT supplying the Taliban with anti-air and anti-tank missiles. Wonder why? The Chinese had no problem selling anti-tank weapons to the Syrian rebels so why not the Afghans? That kind of stuff would have ended US involvement in Afghanistan years ago. Something fishy about that and the fact NO ONE is talking about it.
this thing is literally a cylon, BY YOUR COMMAND!
Based on the condition of the HMP, it's possible it's guns were not at full power when it shot Ahsoka.
Sounds about right. At that range she should have had a foot wide hole through her normally. The force wont save you on that one....
@@luigi180 But Plot Armor will. 😄
@@luigi180 It's definitely probable that the gunship was at critical power. Perhaps the last of it's power was redirected.
@@AshanBhatoa maybe
Or maybe it just skinned her?
60000 credits for the ship. Missile modules are dlc only.
Lol damn perfect
EA is that you?
60000 credits for a hovering disk and all of that cool stuff is dlc only, some say it is p2w
EA INTENSIFIES
Truly a Confederacy Weapon platform!
*Rare footage of Soviet gunships fighting Mujahedeen during the Soviet-Afghan War Circa 1985 in the Kabul region colorized*
A suprise to be sure, but a welcome one
American gunships against iraqi infantry.
definetly inspired by the cia giving stinger missiles to muhajadeen to take out mi24s
@@nightofthunder5509 It is interesting to see how the show reflects the past conflicts of the 20th century, from the ww2 to the Soviet Afghanistan war
You are and always will be, our true enemy *spits*
I'm willing to bet that the medium laser cannon lost some power from the crash, because plot armor aside, Ashoka's shoulder should have exploded.
agree lol
Yup
True, I mean the dual medium cannons made swift work of the CGs, so why did Ahsoka survive the medium cannon with a little sting? Luck? I THINK NOT.
Love the HMP, would have a fleet of it as guards.
When things crash they take a lot more damage than what is immediately visible.
Hence why cars are often scrapped after wrecks
Ashoka herself should've exploded.
When someone measures lenght in Wookie:
I see you are a man of culture
Length in wookie, weight in dewback.
69 likes lol
Size in bananas.
oh no, American sentience detected
0:05 that droid boi gave the fly droid boy a fist bump
Shit your right
That's it.
I love droids
Who doesn't love the separatists
@@Chill_Bill745 me. I hate those clankers
True bros
*_Without Palpatine, the Clone Army is great._*
*_Without Palpatine, the Droid Army is great._*
True
Either way you get clone wars
@@oblivionthekhajiit1155 only difference is the cis probably would have won
@@eriksmith3089 yeah
Even if cis would be small without palps they woukd had to fight a small number of senate troopers since papls said dooku to make the clones
Now we need another video on the LAAT since were re-reviewing the Star Wars vehicles
yeah for sure
Too OP in Republic at War, please nerf.
lol
The csi in general in republic at war needs a major nerf specialy in space battles
Lmao just get an anakin main
And in Battlefront 2 too, i was unstoppable with those missiles.
They are pretty much op in every they are in
6:05 the fact that they put this much detail into it astonishes me
Lol stuff like this inspired the channel
Soooooo, the HMP is a space Mi-24 Hind. That's cool.
I don't think metanerds guy would know what HI-24 hind gunship is if it base Delta zero-d him
@@MaskedVengeanceTV
y u say that? I'm pretty sure anyone who has heard of the cold war would know what a hind gunship is. Also it's in TONS of movies and video games. It's not secret knowledge.
Nah, the LAAT/i is the HIND, right down to the cockpit styling and internal troop bay, this is its own thing.
Considering how the HMP was based off of early LAAT concepts, I think we can safely say that they’re Both hinds! ;D
Judging by the fight at 4 mins in it kinda is like the Hind and the curb your Allahu ackbar video
I love the HMP, much more than the LAAT.The design is so iconic and evil
@@jonumine6250 You've seen it hit with flak and other explosives
HMP is the original design of LAAT
LAAT is still more powerful tho, faster, missiles, more turrets, solid laser turrets, and general epic ness
LAAT is love, LAAT is life. But, the hmp is cool too.
Them's some fightin' words.
By the power of plot the person who made this episode thought it was a light laser lol
lol yeah super light
@@MetaNerdzLore It was probably supposed to represent the failing powerplant, but really judging by the size of the guns they probably aren't medium laser cannons, Medium Blaster Cannons at best. They still woulda blown most of her torso away if it was actually at full power though.
@@MetaNerdzLore super saber
“i'll try spinning, that's a good trick“
>sees CIS vehicle/droid. Instantly likes
This is what I like about Star Wars: it makes subtle references to real world events. Perfect example: Umbara being the Star Wars version of Vietnam.
I'm sorry, did you just call Umbara a 'subtle' reference to Vietnam? Because it really isn't. Not trying to disprove your point, but you may want to pick a better example than Umbara.
Derek Zhang is right. One reason for this is because the umbarans have more advanced tech than the Republic, unlike the Vietnamese who had inferior tech.
A better example would be Onderon.
Wouldn’t Jabiim be a better example for Vietnam?
Ah, back in nosis
The shot that hit Ashoka might of been weakened, just a fraction of a normal bolt, probably even weaker than a blaster, as the ship was dieing.
I would agree as I imagine that the connections providing the cannon power were basically severed
Droid Gunship: "From Hell's heart, I stab at thee!"
Not surprising, the republic has hella plot armor.
after literally doing an ALLUAH ACKBAR suicide dive. WHAT A TROOPER.
Based on how you can see the would on the front of Ahsoka's shoulder, I'm guessing the bolt had just enough power to go through her shoulder, but not cause any extra damage.
How do you think Ahsoka survived that?
Do you think the Droid Gunship has some sort of sentience?
I think, because it only hit her in the shoulder. I mean, that wouldn't kill you right?
I think in its critically damaged state it couldn't loose a full powered shot. That, and Plot Armour.
It wasn’t a fatal shot to begin with
@@spamviking Yeah, I guess
lol yeah what I meant was how she just shrugs it off like a paintball shot, but it is higher power than most starfighters. I think something like a .50 cal would kill you even if hit in the shoulder.
I'm dumb. As a kid in 2005, I always though these ships were massive and that is why so many droids could fit inside them in the 2005 Battlefront 2 RIP
Gamrison You mean the Good Battlefront
I too was kinda surprised how small these actually are...
Same. They DID appear large, and had at least 7 you could take, right?
Oberstruhmfuhrer Schrodinger Battlefront 2 (2017) is awesome now and arguably better than the original BF 2.
@@yankeeforcestudios5431 hahahaha
No.
I see you accidentally said the lasers rip though fleshy organics, i believe the correct term is MEATBAGS
Those Republic meatbags have dropped the flag.
Observation: Ah master! I love your reference!
I deadass thought you were going to say “above and beyond the call of duty” because yeah it’s a droid. It’s a sentient being that deserves to be maintained, valued, protected, used constantly, rewarded, and eventually petted lovingly on the nose.
The CIS will rise again.
Knowing that General Kalani lived through the Clone Wars and survived his last appearance, there's a big chance that it could, under his command. 👀
They are a flying nightmare in republic at war.
And the clone wars
This is the coolest, most evil looking ship, and the fact that they are close to sentient beings are terrifying. Awesome.
Persevering Droid Gunship: A Star Wars Story
Unfortunately I don't think an HMP could survive without a huge amount of support, CIS craft were fairly fuel needy to begin with, and I doubt its experimental nuclear kind was at all easy to get a hold of...
@@DonaldWWitt But the AI could survive without fuel right, even if they powered down if they weren't scraped shouldn't the droid itself technically still be able to survive. I could imagine one sitting dormant in a forgotten separatist holdout for decades.
@Riot Javelin Yeah, but would one really want to exist like that?
@@DonaldWWitt I wouldn't, but would the droid have a choice in the matter. Kinda reminds me of AM from 'I Have No Mouth, And I Must Scream". Though I don't think droids are usually that sophisticated, anomalies happen.
@Riot Javelin It reminds you of AM and not his victim, who he morphed into a horrific blob in constant agony, hence the titular "I Have No Mouth, and I Must Scream"?
Dude i would’ve loved to see if the alliance got one of these.
While I was watching the aerial battles during the second Avatar movie I couldn’t help but imagine how the humans would have fared if they had had the HMP gunship in their arsenal.
How so, Glamorous? I'm very curious as to what was on your mind.
*war crimes ensue*
Maybe the droid's medium laser cannon wasn't at full power since the Droid was damaged
PLOT ARMOR
As yes, the HMP Gunship. Without a doubt one of the CIS's more deadly mechanical toys alongside the Commando Droid, the Homing Spider Walker, the Tri-Fighter, the Hailfire and the Defoliator Tank. Also, it seems you haven't done a video on the Nebulon-B Frigate yet, which is kinda surprising given how iconic of a ship it is. Do you think you could do a video on the classic rebel ship sometime in the future?
I think that the reason for the medium laser cannon not taking out Ashoka was that the main payload was blown up, so it might have damaged the cannon itself, making it less powerful.
if it was a smaller blaster, yeah. But the HMP is used against Starfighters.
This Droid Gunship is actually my favorite and I feel like it actually rivals that of the clone Gunship
Make a list about star wars ships with toilets!!
SU-34 confirmed
Well the sentinel tranport is one and basically anything that is a star destroyer or a ship that is several kilometres long In general
Razor Crest!
I find it so fascinating how the writers for The Clone Wars bases some of the episodes off of actual historical events. Ashoka probably used her ample supply of plot armor
My gosh, I am loving these examinations of various Star Wars vehicles and ships. I love the way everything is presented here, and how in some videos, it is explicitly stated what information is part of Legends. Thanks for these interesting videos!
7:52
Well, that ship did just crash, it wouldn't be a strech to say that this turret could've been damaged in a way that lowers it's power.
The nice thing about modular emplacements is that what is put on it is usually aftermarket buys meaning there goes two of your laser cannons and your missle launchers leaving you with racks for droids engines cooling vents, a repulsorlift and your 5 medium laser cannons though those dual medium laser cannons have the same lighter punch when their shots don't converge on one target hence why they're fixed together they will even have reduced range when not traveling together. Similar gun emplacements are used in the Rebellion and are put on z-95 headhunters so when your bolts hit the same place the bolts penatrate deeper into enemy armor. Han uses this to great affect in the Han Solo triliogy (the book series that spawned the Star wars EU) when he defends the people fixing his ship from the corporate sector authority.
Man you guys seem to be stepping up your game. The recent episodes have been awesome. Keep up the great work. Thanks for all the great work also.
Thanks man that's a great compliment! We'll keep em coming, they take longer but I'm glad to see people think it's worth it
@@MetaNerdzLore Oh its worth it I think. Before I was like "Oh cool. a new episode." Now I'm like " Man that was good. Wonder what's next. Hope it's out soon". No joke guys. This new style is way better. Thanks.
7:52 The Force. The answer is always The Force. The Force knew Ahsoka needed to be alive to tell Din Djarin Grogu’s name.
This Droid is definitely my favorite gunship of all Star Wars even more so than the Republic Gunship and I love to see this again in the sequel trilogy! Its small size and multi-purpose makes it very versatile in war and what destroyed brain if you're afraid by itself without a pilot and be a terrifying figure in both land in space! It also reminds me of the gunships from the Terminator movies; and with the red eye feature and it's terrifying Effectiveness ,I think that's where the idea came from!
Maybe its price tag doesn't account the missiles?
Not bad a design. Though placing the fuel tank and missile RIGHT on top of each other is a clear design flaw. I'm gonna assume that the reason Ahsoka was able to just brush up a mid-laser cannon shot its cause the cannon itself was far from an effective state after the crash. Honestly, its a testament to the engineers that it was still functional enough to let out a weak shot at all.
Surprise the ray shield triggers with the thermal detonator and rocket launchers. Ray shields only deflect energy bolt like blasters and such. Projectile based weapons aren't suppose to be effected and just pass right through with no issue.
You mixed up particle and ray. Its specifically stated to defend against objects and energy respectably. Individually or both can be colloquially called deflector shields.
For cost saving measures, it likely only has a ray shields since its very uncommon for non-energy weapons to be used on the battlefields of Star Wars, for some reason.
It possibly has a light particle shield, just enough to shove the detonator away before it exploded to lessen the damage taken, not enough to counterthrust against a full rocket. Or it redirected its repulsors up to knock the grenade away and the shield triggered because part of the explosion was thermal energy.
@@SwiftGundam There was something that guns that fired bullets were outlawed but I can't remember well
All weapons sold separately.
Possibly the shields only 'light up' because an explosion happens inside of them, and its actually the gunship's metal plating/armor that makes it impervious to thermal detonators.
If only they made a Clone Wars 2, these guys would've made a great ememy
damn thats true
@@MetaNerdzLore I could only imagine fighting them in-game. They would probably be fought in missions where you're piloting aircraft(like Vultures in CW). It would been fun to fight Octuptarra Tri-Droids too.
The reason Ahsoka survived that medium laser cannon is because of this special Jedi ability called, PLOT ARMOR. It’s a very rare Jedi ability that only some rare Jedi can tap into.
I really like the depth of the analysis. How every blown up gunship was analysed for parts... Way to go, really.
I think the canon lost power but ashokas top half would be no more either way. The only thing that saved her was her immense plot armour
i love how well the starwars galaxy gets developed on i didnt know sol was in the clone wars lol
I love how you decide to update one of your old videos can you please do the same thing for the *ARC-170.*
okay but the fact that you're able to analyze and deconstruct scenes from the Clone Wars in depth and apply it with canon is a testament to how good the show is
I imagine the damage to the gunship diminished the medium laser cannon’s power which is how she lived
To be fair, rocket tubes are literally designed to only aim and trigger a rocket, something not exactly hard to use.
Fantastic video, you're highly adept at these medium-form informational/comparison/breakdown type videos. Right up there with EckhartsLadder, I wish you had more subscribers.
6:36 "I'll try to spin, that's a good trick" Those word always popup in my head everytime i play Star-fighter mode in Battlefront 2 and i try to do it lol
I kind like the droids being able to talk its adds for interesting dialog. I like in the movie a how B1 battle droid complemented on a dwarfs spider droids shooting skills as if it were a dog. I also enjoyed the B1s insulting each other from time to time or not listening to there command droids. Like at one planet hunting down yoda and his clone body guards I said stop and then subordinate says why. We won't fit in there and the subordinate is like yes we can and then tells his AAt drive to push on only to crash into the coral style barriers and then gets thrown out of his tank cupola. Then the command droid says next time listen to orders. Or B2 being controlled by yoda shooting his allies don't shoot I am having a serious malfunction and they still shoot him anyways lol. I could just picture the Gunship saying okay here are boys I comeback late to pick you when the jobs done. Or if you guys don't stop arguing i am turn around lol. So what if its less scary. The clones are very serious and not many of them have alot of humour but they are suppose be close brothers in battle so they have to depend on each other. Wheres Droids being even more expendable and programmed they are more or less co workers than battle brothers so it kinda to be expected in seeing this kinda nonsense at least with B1 and B2 battle droids. Its funny listening to high pitched noises to the vulture droids to lol.
When the Droid Gunship aimed its small medium gun at the Super Tactical Droid, the droid pushed it away as a sense of authority. 0:05
or it just gave him a fist bump
Sprinkle Man I just think it was a fist bump
I also think it was a fist bump to let it know that they are true homies for going after the rebels. Droid communication is fascinating honestly
I thank you very much for using the old Star Wars Battlefront games as an example
Great video! A lot of great info, and I appreciate the heart and dedication you and your team put in on making these great videos!!! By far my favorite Star Wars channel!!
Keep up the great work!
If I'm being honest, these things remind me of the Combine Gunships from Half Life 2
Yeah I want to do that lore one day
Those things were so cool
Imagine if someone modified one of these into a manned ship. That would be a neat ride.
Thank you for such consistently good content. You're videos are always great to watch.
Love your channel. Discovered it other day and have been binge watching. Star wars is life
Hey that's so cool welcome! A lot of the earlier videos are of a much lesser quality so I'll be updating a lot of them. And we're trying to get a book review up a week along with a longer podcast like hour long discussion about it.
60.000 sounds rather reasonable for just the Ship. The Missiles are bought separate ^^
It sounds ike the ship itself is only 60,000 and everything else has to be provided (fuel, weapons, and sensors). Which is actually a pretty cool idea as every planet is different and the weapon options on each are different. It's a logistical miracle.
Not to mention that it didn't need life support systems like other ships.
So, they're Cylons basically, I mean it literally said "by your command " like in the BSG original series in a similar voice
A reason, why MetaNerdz Lore is one of the best Star Wars Lore Channel, quick information, wholesome information, beating the rest like Generation Tech!
Kudos to you for a video well done!!! The Droid Gunships are almost based off of the Cylon Raiders from second Battlestar Galactica series.
Looking at the comparison image at 2:36 I find myself wondering how in the heck does an ARC-170's wings not snap off during even basic acceleration. They look to be attached with nothing but metal toothpicks at the wing roots.
I read the title “Is the SIMP gunship SENTIENT?”
The answer would be no
No simps are sentient man
How many of these do you think would fit in a CIS Ship Complement?
Awesome job! Your videos have taken a huge leap in quality! Keep it up!
11:28 This is the kind of lore that makes this channel so special.
I love the CIS military! They're so cool!
I liked the idea of the gunships being soviet helicopters fighting the mujahedeen in Afghanistan, those launchers look like stinger missiles that were supplied by the Americans during the war.
3:43 nice touch, Filoni.
Great vid MetaNerdz, interesting gunship design.
i have a lego version of that
Me too
I think the Droid does indeed have sentience, as do most if not all the CIS units. The droid's reactor was heavily damaged, so it may have had just enough power to move it's cannon and fire one incredibly underpowered shot before it died.
This has been my favourite droid/spaceship as soon as I saw it. It looks so menacing it has so much firepower and the scene from 9:23 -9:24 looks so badass.
I think the reason the price is so low is because it's shipped without all the munitions. That is just speculation, though.
Or even without any armament
@@Jfk2Mr or even whit the ability to fly
Yea I found it pretty ridiculous that Asoka was able to survive a DIRECT hit to her heart at close range from a medium laser which could take out a small vehicle in one hit but she is barely scratched.
It was probably a low-power shot, considering the droid had just been shot down moments before
@@nickfury1279 It's still a MEDIUM laser, magnitudes more powerful than even the heavy rifles carried by the clones. Had it been anything smaller sure I could let it slide but even a lower power shot from a medium laser would easily kill an unarmored CHILD.
@@Nidhoggrr You have to remember this thing was quite heavily so the power delivery might have been malfunctioning
Badass Droid in star wars.
definitely one of my favorite
@@MetaNerdzLore When are you going to do an X-83 twintail analysis?
8:50 It's possible that the Separatist made a specialized hyperdrive ring for the gunships. Also, I think the empire made a mistake in decommissioning them. I think they could've used their versatility in a variety of battles to give them the upper hand, or at least some variant of it.
I would say the true tell was the reaction one of the ships had to the first one blowing up. It looked surprised as it flew back, almost "jumping"
9:51
It's more likely that Yoda used force to change the direction of this shot.
I mean, Im not a programmer, but I don't think there were any unknown factors (lasers aren't affected by wind (I think)) that could prevent the ship from calculating a perfect shot.
@Krzysztof Suswał its possible either it was damaged when it fired or was intercepted right before it fired, having the laser go in a different direction. yoda might not be able to stop something that powerful BUT i dont really know how much it would take so... not going to rule it out.
do the original droid gunship the mechanized assault flyer
1:27 as soon as rex was hit there was a firework outside wow the timing
I know I’m 3 years too late… but seeing how much dedication they put into the explosions and destruction simulation is very impressive
But how do they fly in space without any thrusters? Also, I hope we get them as playable vehicles in Battlefront 2.
They have some thrusters on the back of the disc, but really it's only in Battlefront we see them in space to my recollection, and that game made the V-Wing into a bomber.
Almost all repulsorlift vehicles have thrusters for forward movement. The repulsors are only used to provide counter-gravity lift.
@@DIEGhostfish Tell that to these scened 8:16 and 8:29 till 9:30.
@@kungolaf4499 Totally forgot that section, My bad.
its simple, Ahsoka has plot armor!
luv, luv LUV! this droid from the CIS! -I can imagine a handful of these being good security and base defense (one of the better things the CIS produced and one of the things I'd be after as far as post-war tech)
One of my favorite Droids from the CIS.
Along with the Hailfire Droid.
Hi 😀 Thank you 👍
This is one of my 😍
Favorit Gunship ❤️
Can you also do Krenic
Shuttle? 🤔 Thanks 😊
Did you make this video because this ship is coming to Battlefront 2?
Haven’t watched a vid in a while.Im glad I chose this video
a sentient gunship is a terrifying thought. Would love to see one as a character, lol. would be really interesting imo
For the cost, i dont think munitions were sold with the gunship, but yeah, id price it closer to 100,000
Had to be first like i love your videos
You know sometimes I put off watching your video but then come around to it and just think to myself " what are you doing this is the most amazing video" and now I no longer doing that after this video
5:36 look how the other gunship kinda flinches back (although it was safe from getting rammed by the crashing gunship) like it was in shock or something (probably not anticipating it’s fellow to get shot down).
I always wondered how Ahsoka tanked a laser cannon but Ima-gun Di was killed off by light arms fire. I always assumed the gunship firing on Ahsoka lost most of it's power in the crash.
It was awesome seeing one of these again in The Mandalorian.
At 0:40 we Stan a cost-efficient military.
“FOR THE REPUBLIC”