You gotta love when dave asks a question they respond with answers he didn't ask for. Example Dave do you ride the canyons? Fellow: i only ride weekends. Like come on dude. And a lot of these clients do this.
I remember asking for a video on this about 2 years ago. My S1000R with DDC suspension could not cope with my weight, I was bottoming out even at max preload. the rear was bouncing up and down and the bike could not be ridden "spirited". I ended up putting heavier springs in the forks, and having the rear shock rebuilt, both by Wilbers. The shock comes with an additional manual fast/slow compression adjustment. Bike is much stiffer now, but I'm struggling to find a good setup. I play with it and it feels good, next week I'm no longer happy and end up playing with it again and find a different setup I like. Don't think I will go electronic on my next bike.
Dave Williams, editor, replying here. Sorry it took so long to put this video together. I had more time to shoot with Moss this year than the three previous years combined. Thank you for posting your experience.
There is software that handles DDC suspension. As one comment below indicates that the 2D front sensor adds to the functional aspects of the front forks. The software solution to DDC is adding RCK3 and HP power kit enables. Here at BMWHP.com we handle those ECU enables at reasonable levels of $$$.. BMW should have created a track day software package that allows the tuning of the suspension and DTC and it does not void your warranty on a brand new bike. As noted in the video FIM has banned DDC type suspension because BMW was already ahead of everyone else in the DDC suspension area. RCK3 allows tuning sectors on the racetrack. You have 30 sectors you can have the suspension changing on the fly. As noted in the video, you better have some knowledge of reading data from something like AnnaLiza which comes with the 2D HP DataLogger system. I have 100's of hours in working with the DDC suspension on the 2015 and newer systems. Its not just about flipping the plus or minus of the compression and rebound that is available to the electronics. No where in the video does it mention that fork oil changes makes a dramatic change to how the electronics react just as it does in conventional forks today. Stock is great if it happens to match your body weight, and riding style. If you are really serious to riding the S1000RR at an expert level, I can advise you on the electronics and tuning via RCK3 / HP Power Kit.
@dave moss I am not talking about racing!!! Do you believe that for road use (fast riding in curvy roads) are there any better systems than BMW offers?? DTC , DDC?? Because I believe that with the sensors that the bikes have is too safe..please correct me if I am wrong, do you believe having good "manual" suspensions with a traction control that is not calculating the lean angle of the bike is better than having this package of BMW ??
If you keep the fork and shock oil fresh, the algorithm can be optimal. If you let the oil get too old, that is where the efficiency of any electronic system may be impaired. Similarly, DDC etc has to be reset every 1,200 to 2,000 miles for chassis balance.
Hi, Dave. I'm from Poland. Is it worth inserting for Mupo Front Fork Hydraulic Kit and Racetech Shock Gold Valves for public roads? I care about more comfortable driving, and especially on better damping of unevenness of short transverse irregularities on roads of inferior quality. I have a Honda CBR 600RR from 2007. The cost of this modification is around $ 600.
Dave Williams, editor, replying here. That's at Pro Italia in Glendale CA. They always have Dave there a couple times a year. Here is his calendar davemosstuning.com/new-calendar/
@@catalystreactionsbw thank you for helping Dave. When I click on the link above, in the description, i get taken to the site. It shows that I am logged in, but the only video I see ( other than the scrolling video links ) is the trailer video, that is shown above.
@@jasonisdn Williams again. Sorry for the trouble. I just tested the link from the description in both Firefox and chrome and it worked fine. I'm at a loss on this one. You're the first we've heard with this unique issue. First step I guess would be to try a different browser.
Good question. There is if you install after market cartridges in the forks and an aftermarket shock. If you turn off DDC with stock electronic forks and shock, the question would be with no damping settings, what would you get? I cannot find anything on this topic online so talk to the local dealership that races these bikes for more information.
@@catalystreactionsbw thanks. Ive been looking into this for a couple of months now and i know cartridge is the way for ultimate performance but i love the idea of adjusting the setup on the fly. As i ride both track and bumpy streets theres no ideal setup for me. I just want to figure out a way to make the damping stay where i set it in the dash and no dynamic side to interfere. I was hoping someone somewhere could find a solution to this although i realise its going to be a software solution to try disable the ddc. Cheers. I love your videos mate
@@Yamaprilia Thanks for the kind words! Changing settings on the fly would be brilliant, but BMW state that the number of decisions per second does exactly that. So, your unique needs are met by other Manufacturers who offer exactly that. Should BMW create ESA for the XR version? Could that be moved to the S1000RR? Interesting question to pose to BMW.
Dave Williams, editor, chiming in here. It is odd that BMW failed to provide a non-dynamic mode. Perhaps they assumed we would buy the standard suspension model for that, failing to recognize changes on the fly would be a desired feature of electronic controls period. By "changes on the fly" I believe you mean setup changes at the click of a button vs stopping and busting out the tool kit. That's what Ducati offers with their "Custom Fixed" mode.
@@catalystreactionsbw A custom fixed mode would be fanstastic. I was hoping someone would have developed a sofware fix for this and that would allow the front rebound and compression to be seperated. You can seperate the front rebound if the 2d fork sensor is plugged in but that is expensive and its still a dynamic suspension with it plugged in. If you could find someone to develop a software fix You would make a fortune because lots of people are unhappy with the standard setup. I will be the first in line! Cheers. Mike
Some interesting comments; I agree 100% until FIM get their act together things won't progress for bikes used on the track, or the road. I haven't ridden the Honda, but have the Aprilia, Ducati on the track and have an Srr sports. Best option, remove the standard suspension, and replace it with quality custom built forks/shock. Then you'll "need" carbon wheels, then better brakes. Thank goodness it is only money.
You gotta love when dave asks a question they respond with answers he didn't ask for.
Example
Dave do you ride the canyons?
Fellow: i only ride weekends.
Like come on dude. And a lot of these clients do this.
I trust this guy after watching him for 20 seconds. People like that guy are hard to find.
I remember asking for a video on this about 2 years ago.
My S1000R with DDC suspension could not cope with my weight, I was bottoming out even at max preload. the rear was bouncing up and down and the bike could not be ridden "spirited".
I ended up putting heavier springs in the forks, and having the rear shock rebuilt, both by Wilbers. The shock comes with an additional manual fast/slow compression adjustment.
Bike is much stiffer now, but I'm struggling to find a good setup. I play with it and it feels good, next week I'm no longer happy and end up playing with it again and find a different setup I like.
Don't think I will go electronic on my next bike.
Dave Williams, editor, replying here. Sorry it took so long to put this video together. I had more time to shoot with Moss this year than the three previous years combined. Thank you for posting your experience.
There is software that handles DDC suspension. As one comment below indicates that the 2D front sensor adds to the functional aspects of the front forks. The software solution to DDC is adding RCK3 and HP power kit enables. Here at BMWHP.com we handle those ECU enables at reasonable levels of $$$.. BMW should have created a track day software package that allows the tuning of the suspension and DTC and it does not void your warranty on a brand new bike. As noted in the video FIM has banned DDC type suspension because BMW was already ahead of everyone else in the DDC suspension area. RCK3 allows tuning sectors on the racetrack. You have 30 sectors you can have the suspension changing on the fly. As noted in the video, you better have some knowledge of reading data from something like AnnaLiza which comes with the 2D HP DataLogger system. I have 100's of hours in working with the DDC suspension on the 2015 and newer systems. Its not just about flipping the plus or minus of the compression and rebound that is available to the electronics. No where in the video does it mention that fork oil changes makes a dramatic change to how the electronics react just as it does in conventional forks today. Stock is great if it happens to match your body weight, and riding style. If you are really serious to riding the S1000RR at an expert level, I can advise you on the electronics and tuning via RCK3 / HP Power Kit.
@dave moss I am not talking about racing!!! Do you believe that for road use (fast riding in curvy roads) are there any better systems than BMW offers?? DTC , DDC?? Because I believe that with the sensors that the bikes have is too safe..please correct me if I am wrong, do you believe having good "manual" suspensions with a traction control that is not calculating the lean angle of the bike is better than having this package of BMW ??
If you keep the fork and shock oil fresh, the algorithm can be optimal. If you let the oil get too old, that is where the efficiency of any electronic system may be impaired. Similarly, DDC etc has to be reset every 1,200 to 2,000 miles for chassis balance.
Hi, Dave. I'm from Poland. Is it worth inserting for Mupo Front Fork Hydraulic Kit and Racetech Shock Gold Valves for public roads? I care about more comfortable driving, and especially on better damping of unevenness of short transverse irregularities on roads of inferior quality. I have a Honda CBR 600RR from 2007. The cost of this modification is around $ 600.
@Dave Moss
do you maybe know.. can i stet up my abs on my Bmw S1000RR 2015 Model seperatly`? like no back break abs only front`? sry for my englisch
My bike feels like no rebound when hitting bumps etc , settings are at 0 for compression/ damping . Bike feels unstable.. any suggestions?
Check your fork and shock travel used to start with. Known data helps you understand why the bike feels that way.
@@catalystreactionsbw thank you I’ll have that checked , I wasn’t able to calibrate the ddc my self keeps saying fail :(
1:08 Where is that location? How often do you provide your services there? Is there a schedule I can refer too?
Dave Williams, editor, replying here. That's at Pro Italia in Glendale CA. They always have Dave there a couple times a year. Here is his calendar davemosstuning.com/new-calendar/
@@catalystreactionsbw is the full video on the site? I signed up and still could not locate it.
@@jasonisdn Dave Williams, editor, replying here. Click on the link in the description box and it will take you directly to it on the website.
@@catalystreactionsbw thank you for helping Dave. When I click on the link above, in the description, i get taken to the site. It shows that I am logged in, but the only video I see ( other than the scrolling video links ) is the trailer video, that is shown above.
@@jasonisdn Williams again. Sorry for the trouble. I just tested the link from the description in both Firefox and chrome and it worked fine. I'm at a loss on this one. You're the first we've heard with this unique issue. First step I guess would be to try a different browser.
Is there any way to fix the s1000rr damping so there is no dynamic damping control?
Good question. There is if you install after market cartridges in the forks and an aftermarket shock. If you turn off DDC with stock electronic forks and shock, the question would be with no damping settings, what would you get? I cannot find anything on this topic online so talk to the local dealership that races these bikes for more information.
@@catalystreactionsbw thanks. Ive been looking into this for a couple of months now and i know cartridge is the way for ultimate performance but i love the idea of adjusting the setup on the fly. As i ride both track and bumpy streets theres no ideal setup for me. I just want to figure out a way to make the damping stay where i set it in the dash and no dynamic side to interfere. I was hoping someone somewhere could find a solution to this although i realise its going to be a software solution to try disable the ddc. Cheers. I love your videos mate
@@Yamaprilia Thanks for the kind words! Changing settings on the fly would be brilliant, but BMW state that the number of decisions per second does exactly that. So, your unique needs are met by other Manufacturers who offer exactly that. Should BMW create ESA for the XR version? Could that be moved to the S1000RR? Interesting question to pose to BMW.
Dave Williams, editor, chiming in here. It is odd that BMW failed to provide a non-dynamic mode. Perhaps they assumed we would buy the standard suspension model for that, failing to recognize changes on the fly would be a desired feature of electronic controls period. By "changes on the fly" I believe you mean setup changes at the click of a button vs stopping and busting out the tool kit. That's what Ducati offers with their "Custom Fixed" mode.
@@catalystreactionsbw A custom fixed mode would be fanstastic. I was hoping someone would have developed a sofware fix for this and that would allow the front rebound and compression to be seperated. You can seperate the front rebound if the 2d fork sensor is plugged in but that is expensive and its still a dynamic suspension with it plugged in. If you could find someone to develop a software fix
You would make a fortune because lots of people are unhappy with the standard setup. I will be the first in line! Cheers. Mike
Some interesting comments; I agree 100% until FIM get their act together things won't progress for bikes used on the track, or the road.
I haven't ridden the Honda, but have the Aprilia, Ducati on the track and have an Srr sports.
Best option, remove the standard suspension, and replace it with quality custom built forks/shock.
Then you'll "need" carbon wheels, then better brakes.
Thank goodness it is only money.