182. Operation Barbarossa
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- Опубликовано: 7 фев 2025
- What military parallels does Putin's invasion of Ukraine have with Hitler's attempt to invade the Soviet Union?
On today's pod Tom and Dominic are joined by historian - and brother of Tom - James Holland to discuss Operation Barbarossa and the Nazi invasion of 1941, whether it was doomed to fail, and the role it played in the escalation of the Holocaust.
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This is criminally underviewed. You chaps are top notch.
No, just smug
Most people listen to the podcast.
@@etahenry3377Hear what your saying
But they are still worth listening too even if they are delusional about being the good guys re the current crisis
Criminal lack of understanding of Russian concerns about Americans on their border
Fully agree this podcast series is brilliant!
even know its done by two white males!!
Keep doing these podcasts. Well spoken and credentials galore. Build it and they will come
Great talk, we all need more history knowledge! I am Russian, my grandparents spent their teen years either under nazi occupation or were war prizoners. This episode sends me chills. Hate hate all the wars 😢
Britains elites loves wars as do most of the population
Dan Carlin's Ghosts of the Ostfront. Anybody else also a fan of that?
Would love to hear both of them do shows together. They play off each other well. Big fan of both.
Love Tom Holland and James Holland
You guys are absolutely fascinating! Your short explanation of why the Germans had all these vehicles but couldn't use them for lack of parts that fit. Excellent
Best history podcast around
Lads ,you guys are first class, thanks!
You guys are my new addiction
Happy Christman, England!
From Canada.
49:53 le mot juste, bravo !
I needed more about the trucks tbh
50% of the Wehrmacht trucks were US designed Ford and General Motors. Germany didn't manufacture jeeps or many trucks.
My petrol head heart is broken that it was cut short!
There is also a smaller, but significant, encirclement at Bryansk in 10/41, south of Smolensk.
Absolutely love your channel guys, ive recently watched the documentarys europa : the last battle and the secret masonic victory of world war 2 which give a very different version to the one written by the winners, i wondered if youd watched these and would be really interested in your opinions...
Keep the great episodes coming cant get enough.... hooked 😊
It was the Kiev, not Kursk, encirclement in September 1941 (initial misidentification, corrected shortly thereafter in the broadcast), but that was not the last major encirclement of the year: a comparably successful one was executed by AGC at Vyazma between Smolensk and Moscow in early October 1941.
General Plaules 1940: This…is a bad idea guys
General Paules December 1942: This was definitely a bad idea guys 🥶💀
Delightful
Well done
Although I enjoy listening to James, he is without a doubt a "Two Pinter". As in, you enjoy everything he says and love his enthusiasm, but you leave the pub before he comes to sit back down with his third pint.
It wasn’t that the Soviets were “completely useless” in the winter war, it was actually because the Finns were so unbelievably good.
Some say it was a feint to make the Germans underestimate the Red Army's true capabilities and weapons build up
Sorry, but untrue. Soviet Army was terrible, but improved slowly with time. Finns were superb and therefore could exploit weaknesses of Red Army
It seems more historically accurate to identify the end of the Barbarossa campaign (and, with it, operation Typhoon) as occurring on 12/5/41, not mid-September 1941, when AGC suspends the effort to capture Moscow, on its doorstep.
What is your take on Victor Suborov Icebreaker book?
I love the topic but would enjoy it more with a more conversational style. Too much energy cutting off interesting branches. Bit frustrating.
it's interesting, I see what you mean, you could do five pods out of this
Let the man talk about his trucks!
I could have listened to a whole podcast just describing the 2,000 different types of truck.
@robertdarby6553 Wehrmacht trucks were largely US designs, Ford and General Motors. Strange but true.
Excellent episode. But why the hell is James shouting and speaking at 100mph?
He does so in order to be extraordinarily irritating. And he succeeds very well, doesn’t he?
I agree their guest James Holland speaks way too fast. Thankfully, his brother Tom speaks in a slower style showing patience for the listeners. 👍 👌
James - SLOW DOWN. Its interesting but exhausting.
Great!!
1:20 I thought Tom was talking about the German invasion of France in 1914. Which the Germans would have been smarter to consider.
Target was the Azeri oilfields ?
Some historians now state that Stalins plan to not retreat, to suffer repeated defeats after defeats, was actually the correct strategy bc it turned the war from a blitzkrieg one into a war of attrition by wearing out the German Army. By December, 1941, the tide had essentaly turned with Generals January & Febuary yet to appear. A country of 90M (all in) cannot win a conventional war against a country with a (much younger) population of 185M. "Quantity has a quality all its own."-Stalin.
Also the overwhelming majority of Eastern European Jews were concentrated in the former 'Pale of Settlement' region of eastern Poland/Ukraine/ Soviet Union border area. This made it much easer for German forces to initiate the 'Holocaust by Bullets' phase of the Holocaust.
How long did it take the Soviets to set up a defense
I did not know how much I did not know about ww2 lol
Interesting but too many commercials
Your brother isn’t exactly restful, is he?
James Holland needs to speak more slowly n stop stop shouting.
Splendid chaps, absolutely top! Oh but I'd be chuffed in extremis if you boys could do a program on El Caudillo Francisco Franco. Jolly good!
Love your show guys can i recommend a very good vid on this done by TIK called why did the axis loose ww2. It explains very well alit of the stuff u guys covered here
TIK is a complete nutjob - an alt-right conspiracy theorist who believes Covid was a pys-op and that the Nazis were left wing socialists. He's been disowned by every other mainstream historian because his views are factually baseless and totally mental.
Its a shame, I used to like his battle videos.
James, be very careful making bland parallels between "Putin's invasion of Ukraine" and other monumental military blunders. Reason? Ukraine has been contested territory for 1000 years.
Putin did not invade Ukraine until the neocon plotting to annex the country became intolerable.
Yeah, they definitely haven’t been a sovereign country for decades. Perfectly reasonable to invade. Jesus H Christ.
Eh? By that metric, most of Europe - including the British Isles - has been contested territory for 1000 years.
@nickrails correct. Because we in the so-called Western world are subject to a constant battering by a corrupt, discredited, and controlled media and their paymsters in New York, Washington, Brussels ( Blackrock, Vanguard, etc..), then it becomes political orthodoxy. We all should know who's interests are being served.
@@nickrailsOne of many contested regions in Europe
For the current war I suggest watching Daniel Davis Deep Dive and Judge Napolitano
Col Macgregor Ret
Prof Glen Diesen
And others
Anyone who has ever experienced -27C in Moscow knows what's involved in trying to conquer Russia?
It was the mud/rasputica that did it
In 1942 winter it had famously dropped to -40 C
You were right the first when you said Germans
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The Kiev encirclement was the last German victory in the East? Who knew?
Why does Churchill call Germans ‘The Hun’.
Churchill referred to the Nazis as "the Huns" to evoke historical associations with the barbaric invasions of Europe by the Huns in the 5th century. By using this term, he aimed to emphasize the brutality and aggression of the Nazi regime during World War II, suggesting that they were a threat to civilization much like the Huns had been in their time. This characterization served to rally public sentiment against the Nazis and reinforce the moral imperative to fight them.
Holland makes it sound impossible, and yet Russia collapsed in WW1...
They did win over Western Ukrainians (Bandara)
All this talk assumes that the Russians knew the state of the German army. Did they?
Not the slightest parallel to 2003. That comment was off base and unworthy.
The intro didn't age well. Please drop the bourgeois Putin propaganda. Cliche and boring
these hour long ads are aids
Obviously NATO have not learned the lessons of history and chose catastrophic defeat over intelligent parley!
Eh? When was that, poppet?
@@robertcottam8824What’s that mean poppet
This aged well...
Completely superficial parallels.