How to fit an Acros Integrated cable routing headset

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  • Опубликовано: 23 авг 2024
  • A challenging job but a lot of new bikes are fitted with these new style headsets, I show you how it's done, plus a free review product givaway.

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  • @rundt7605
    @rundt7605 11 месяцев назад +4

    Nothing more Satisfying than watching a really good tradesman ,hats off to you Dave

  • @tsalesto
    @tsalesto 22 дня назад +2

    Thanks for this, I have the same headset and need to route a cable for front light through there. Now I know what to look for.

  • @funnelfpv9435
    @funnelfpv9435 6 месяцев назад +1

    Makes me think to buy another ebike. I was just removing the fork for servicing and noticed it would be a PITA to change the top bearing if it needed a replacement. Your video confirms it pretty well. Thanks god the top one is perfectly fine on mine. Never thought of such a servicing scenario when buying the bike.

    • @TheYorkshireBikeMechanic
      @TheYorkshireBikeMechanic  6 месяцев назад

      Hi, Thanks for watching and your comments

    • @DadventuresMTB
      @DadventuresMTB 5 месяцев назад

      my cube action team is the same, such a ball ach to do... why cant they just run em through the frame... i got quoted 140 quid to change a 2 bearings... just because of this...

  • @alesbastl7716
    @alesbastl7716 6 месяцев назад +1

    I had one of these on my bike when I bought it. It came to the service of my head set and I cannot stress enough how inconvenient this system is. Took it out and installed Hope head set. Happy days. Will be looking forward to my maintenance days from now on :D

    • @TheYorkshireBikeMechanic
      @TheYorkshireBikeMechanic  6 месяцев назад

      Hi, Thanks for watching and your comments

    • @colchilibeck
      @colchilibeck 2 месяца назад

      What did you do for running the shifter and brake lines? Did you some how attache them on the outside??

    • @alesbastl7716
      @alesbastl7716 2 месяца назад

      Luckily the manufacture of my frame (FOCUS) kept the side ports in place and only put blanking plates on them. So I just opened them and ran all the cables through there. I understand that this is not an option of everyone though. Even FOCUS on their new frame got rid of them. So I was VERY lucky

    • @rolfeinhaus9451
      @rolfeinhaus9451 11 дней назад

      @@alesbastl7716 What model Focus do you have? I've got the Jam2 7.9 2022, and want to upgrade from the CIS headset. Was looking at the Hope Gravity

    • @alesbastl7716
      @alesbastl7716 11 дней назад +1

      @@rolfeinhaus9451 hi mate, I have a Sam2 2022 model. I just had a look at your model and unfortunately you won’t be able to get rid of the whole in the head stock cable routing as your frame doesn’t have the side cable channels I’m afraid. You can still put the Hope gravity stem on though. I think you will need new head set bearing set to bring the cables out in front of the steerer tube. And then steerer tube spacers from Hope, the stem and the plate with bolt to tighten the steerer tube.

  • @Paulo-fr3xm
    @Paulo-fr3xm 11 месяцев назад +6

    Great video again Dave, definitely a deal breaker for me, turns a 20 minutes job to clean out or change the bearings into a 2 hour job at least and a lot of unnecessary work. I'll stick to externally routed or ports thanks on my rail

  • @Primarch_Vulkan
    @Primarch_Vulkan 3 месяца назад +8

    One of the worst decisions made by the bike industry in recent years was deciding to adopt this trash headset, can we just go back standard routing through the frame. It's the only thing i absolutely despise about my current bike.

    • @noneofyourbusiness4294
      @noneofyourbusiness4294 3 месяца назад +1

      It's indeed annoying to work on. I dort really mind it in the shop, as I'm getting paid to do it. But I dread the day my headset gives up on me. It does look clean though, and to many customers that's important these days

    • @noneofyourbusiness4294
      @noneofyourbusiness4294 3 месяца назад

      Oh, now that I'm further in the video, that's even one of the "friendlier" ones. There's another version that has cutouts in the actual top bearing for cables and hoses to go through. That's the one where you have no choice but to cut brake hoses. For this one, you still have to unscrew them, but you don't have to mess with the length.

    • @TheYorkshireBikeMechanic
      @TheYorkshireBikeMechanic  3 месяца назад +3

      More and more manufacturers are taking this option. its a nightmare and so unnecessary, cable restriction, cable wear to name a few. The worst is road bikes, some now integrate through the handlebar, stem and headset. looks neat but awful to work on.

  • @kevbulmer
    @kevbulmer 11 месяцев назад +2

    Brilliant video, as always, so glad my Trek Rail just has normal internal routing

  • @johntheman2006
    @johntheman2006 11 месяцев назад

    Great stuff. I disassembled my headset to get my ebike in the boot of my car, and then had to mess about with it at the other end. Never again, and that was just a taster of what you’ve contended with.

  • @karldbaker1978
    @karldbaker1978 10 месяцев назад +2

    I would be happy for all cable routing to be external again, most shifting or functioning issues I’ve had are because of the hoses or cables having to route through frames around tight bends 😂

  • @stevenbaker5564
    @stevenbaker5564 11 месяцев назад

    I like the look of the internal cable routing but didn't think about the top bearing and the cables running though great video and well explained in how to replace them.

  • @Bo_yet
    @Bo_yet 11 месяцев назад

    My go to when it comes to e-bike education, keep it up good sir!

  • @honuwilson8113
    @honuwilson8113 8 месяцев назад

    Hey Dave! Thank you so much for the informative video! My Mondraker foxy uses an across headset although it did not include any rubber stoppers. I have a snapping/ creeping noise that comes from the headset since I got the bike. I was totally lost as to how to replace the headset but this helps a ton! Thank you!

  • @gibfear
    @gibfear 11 месяцев назад +2

    Definitely a solution looking for a problem that, completely unnecessary on a mountain bike... I assume it also gives another chance for water to get straight into the headset?!?

  • @johnlesoudeur3653
    @johnlesoudeur3653 4 месяца назад

    Not a problem with the Scott system, brake hose with barb/nut passes through OK. I think that you already know that though.

  • @peglor
    @peglor 11 месяцев назад +2

    I don't understand why you cut the end off the brake line. It seals perfectly every time I've tried it (Mostly with Shimano and Magura brakes, and you've got Maguras there) if you just screw the original fitting back into the lever.
    You can save yourself from having to rebleed the brake every time afterwards by taking the rear wheel out and pumping the lever till the pads are together before you remove the hose from the lever. This puts extra fluid in the brake line/caliper. After reconnecting the line to the lever, lever the pads apart and any air bubble in the brake line will be pushed back into the reservoir, where it will either not cause a problem, or be easily fixed by bleeding the lever only.
    Unlike with Shimano brakes, bucket bleeds aren't always reliable on Magura brakes, but connecting a syringe and pushing and pulling the fluid in and out a small amount from the lever will get the air bubble quickly and easily, just don't disconnect the syringe while a vacuum is drawn.

  • @GpoppaJohn
    @GpoppaJohn 11 месяцев назад

    You’re a fountain of knowledge Dave and your videos are so informative. How and when did you get started on bikes? Is there anything you don’t know about bikes?

  • @carlton683
    @carlton683 11 месяцев назад +1

    Good job Dave well done 👍

  • @kbass24emtp
    @kbass24emtp 11 месяцев назад +3

    My bike has one like that. Big PITA.

  • @colchilibeck
    @colchilibeck 2 месяца назад

    I do most of my bike maintenance myself. I think for this, I'll just go to my LBS. Not such a bad thing as it helps them out. Although they may hate me for it!
    Do you have any recommendations of best integrated headsets? Is that ACROS one pretty good??

    • @TheYorkshireBikeMechanic
      @TheYorkshireBikeMechanic  2 месяца назад

      Hi, thanks for your comment, there are not than many on the market at the moment, acros is the main contender.

  • @jameskelly1557
    @jameskelly1557 2 месяца назад

    Really helpful video to see how cables are actually routed through headset. I Have one question though,
    Is it always necessary to cut the brake hose to remove top bearing?
    it looks like it would easily pass through the top cover and could then be un-clipped from the washer/spacer, or is it just the case that its good practice to use a new barb and olive each time you disconnect the brake?

    • @TheYorkshireBikeMechanic
      @TheYorkshireBikeMechanic  2 месяца назад +1

      Hi thanks for watching, if the hose will fit through with the fitting than that’s great but more often it won’t go though without cutting

  • @kevinward6680
    @kevinward6680 11 месяцев назад

    Super informative as usual! Well done!

  • @boggybigpants9462
    @boggybigpants9462 11 месяцев назад

    I saw a bloke that looked just like you on TV the other day 👍

  • @bambuminatto
    @bambuminatto 11 месяцев назад +1

    Good information Dave,thanks. But iam not convinced that we need to cut The brake hose, does not It passes through Theo holes? Or the reason is any other than that?

    • @TheYorkshireBikeMechanic
      @TheYorkshireBikeMechanic  11 месяцев назад +1

      Thanks for watching and your comments, the only reason is like you say, it dosent slide back through the rubber headset sleaves

  • @MarkDanielsmusician
    @MarkDanielsmusician 3 месяца назад

    Cheers Dave....looks like a right job, question.... if i just left the bung on the brake line would i still need to cut... looks like all the other componets slip off...sure you have tried though..

    • @TheYorkshireBikeMechanic
      @TheYorkshireBikeMechanic  3 месяца назад +1

      thanks for watching and you comments. The problem is that in order to change the top bearing the hoses/cables have to be fed back through the headset cover which has just small holes that are only big enough for the hose to go through without any fittings hense the reason for cutting them

    • @MarkDanielsmusician
      @MarkDanielsmusician 3 месяца назад

      @@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic Yep..... I know your right, sorry to make you say the same line yet again... i should have read the posts..... Keep up the great vids Dave!

  • @EMTBonsai
    @EMTBonsai 6 месяцев назад

    Just got the same on my new cube action team a couple weeks ago but looking to change my stem so just wondering if it's going to look a mess as there oblong spacers not round im
    Going to have to have a good look later at my stem see how to work with this swap out, but i see the guys already done it on his Transition there so thats cool to see he's managed to remove his original spacers and replaced with normal ones and just have tue cables running through the bottom main spacer!

  • @DadventuresMTB
    @DadventuresMTB 5 месяцев назад

    very good video well explained for sure ! im still not guna be able to do mine lol ive had my e bike for about a year now and never knew the cables ran through the top bearing lol, back in the day was much easier ! than todays e bikes, it should just run though the frame to make things alot easier... i think its a job for the bike shop if u ask me lol

  • @domagoj.simundic
    @domagoj.simundic 5 месяцев назад

    Hi Dave, is it normal for this headset to have a certain resistance when rotating the handlebar? I can only apply small amount of preload torque before turning becomes frictioned. Thanks

    • @TheYorkshireBikeMechanic
      @TheYorkshireBikeMechanic  5 месяцев назад

      Thanks for watching and your comments, no not really, it should be free, double check that all parts are fitted in the correct order

  • @SzwedunioWiesz
    @SzwedunioWiesz 4 месяца назад

    I'm looking for my road stem 120mm in Acros system... any ideas???? On Acros page there use ZERO road stems.... are there anything else compatibile with the ACROS system?

    • @TheYorkshireBikeMechanic
      @TheYorkshireBikeMechanic  4 месяца назад

      Hi, Thanks for watching, The acros system still confuses me as to whats compatible or not.

  • @fabiopunk1661
    @fabiopunk1661 6 месяцев назад

    interesting and useful. Question: why do you cut the brake hose shorter? can you not re-use the end (complete with fitting and olive)?
    I just bought a Bianchi and I need a shorter stem - what a job .....

    • @TheYorkshireBikeMechanic
      @TheYorkshireBikeMechanic  6 месяцев назад

      Hi, Thanks for watching and your comments, thats because the hose fitting wont fit through the headset

  • @khalidsaidi3359
    @khalidsaidi3359 10 месяцев назад

    Hi Dave .
    Zo nice te sie u video pertikkely yo voice . I wil te visit u one day in u shop great.
    Khalid

  • @mdesign8675
    @mdesign8675 2 месяца назад

    Can I use any grease to press the headset into the frame or is there something different about the Acros grease in the sachets?

    • @TheYorkshireBikeMechanic
      @TheYorkshireBikeMechanic  2 месяца назад +1

      Hi thanks for watching, it’s more of an anti-seize grease as their is no lubricant needed, but any grease is better than no grease

  • @elmagnifico7625
    @elmagnifico7625 Месяц назад

    Which part number of Compression ring? Thanks

  • @waynepennock115
    @waynepennock115 10 месяцев назад

    Is it possible to only change the bearings without removing the cups? Seems like a waste to me 🙈Love the videos entertaining and informative 👍👍

    • @TheYorkshireBikeMechanic
      @TheYorkshireBikeMechanic  10 месяцев назад

      Hi, Thanks for watching and your comment. No because the gear and brake hoses go through the center

    • @waynepennock115
      @waynepennock115 10 месяцев назад

      Hi, so the bearing won’t separate from the cup to be replaced and then the cables and hoses fed through? I appreciate that the whole unit has to be removed to complete the job, surely it’s only the bearings that fail 🤔

    • @yonglingng5640
      @yonglingng5640 9 месяцев назад

      @@waynepennock115 This is why more waste is generated when conducting a headset bearing replacement on bikes with this routing configuration. You'd have to discard what are perfectly reusable hydraulic hoses only because they're too short after they're cut to discard the hydraulic olives that are otherwise too big to fit through cockpits, although some shops cut just the olive and reinstall with a new one.

    • @alistairfraser4604
      @alistairfraser4604 7 месяцев назад

      I need to just replace the bottom bearings. Can i re use the cup or will they get damaged when i knock them out?

  • @Ballynoes
    @Ballynoes 11 месяцев назад

    As you say Dave, bit of a faff..but as bikes become more complicated and sleak, it's what will inevitably evolve with them. 😉

  • @powerbikesbg
    @powerbikesbg 11 месяцев назад +1

    Thank you! This type of headset is nightmare for service and wiring

  • @qibble455
    @qibble455 11 месяцев назад

    Hey Dave. It's raining here too.

  • @MrSupermugen
    @MrSupermugen 9 месяцев назад

    do you have a link/part number to that upper headset?

  • @airlanggagilang
    @airlanggagilang 11 месяцев назад

    Hi, this is very helpful. I have the same bike and indeed have a same problem. Could you kindly share the link to buy the headset from across, currently I used similar nukeproof megawatt headset as replacement, but it would be nice if I could get the across one.

    • @TheYorkshireBikeMechanic
      @TheYorkshireBikeMechanic  11 месяцев назад

      Thanks for watching and your comments

    • @johnlesoudeur3653
      @johnlesoudeur3653 3 месяца назад

      Why not contact Acros directly, I have always found them helpful and their website is useful with headset choice.

  • @ronicallmen
    @ronicallmen 7 месяцев назад

    It fits for all head tube or on for specific. What is min diameter of fork pipe is required, as I have 28.6 and what should the internal head tube diameter.

  • @rockhopper70
    @rockhopper70 11 месяцев назад +4

    What a faff. Seems completely unnecessary too, it’s not exactly untidy to run cables and hoses into frame ports in the head tube. Perfect example of the designers not speaking to the engineers and looking for a solution to a problem that doesn’t exist..

  • @VovanCBR
    @VovanCBR 11 месяцев назад +1

    why bearing needs to be replaced on almost new e-bike? what mileage on it?

    • @Thecrazyvaclav
      @Thecrazyvaclav 11 месяцев назад

      Bike could be a daily commuter doing couple of hundred miles a month in all weathers, I’m guessing the bearing is useless due to water getting in, it can be very wet in Yorkshire

    • @TheYorkshireBikeMechanic
      @TheYorkshireBikeMechanic  11 месяцев назад +1

      Thanks for watching and your comments, 1 year old

  • @conashudixit810
    @conashudixit810 9 месяцев назад

    Hello Dave, I am putting together a bike from scratch and I was not able to find any info regarding the cable housing. I have a similar headset as the one in this video and I don’t know if the cable housing should run all the way to the derailleur or it should stop after it enters the down tube. Any hint would be greatly appreciated.

    • @yonglingng5640
      @yonglingng5640 9 месяцев назад

      This heavily varies from bike to bike, may I ask what bike are you building along with the groupset you're going to spec it with?

    • @TheYorkshireBikeMechanic
      @TheYorkshireBikeMechanic  9 месяцев назад

      Hi, can I ask what frame is it

    • @conashudixit810
      @conashudixit810 9 месяцев назад

      It is an ICAN X-Gravel with integrated cables.

    • @yonglingng5640
      @yonglingng5640 9 месяцев назад

      @@conashudixit810 I think it may be like this:
      Rear derailleur: Full-length housing (I'm sure about this one, almost all such bikes I've worked with run this way)
      Front derailleur: Housing probably stops inside the BB shell, just before the cable exits the frame, check with a mechanic if you need to

    • @conashudixit810
      @conashudixit810 9 месяцев назад +1

      Thank you for the advice. In the meantime I have decided to go all the way on internal housing. It works.

  • @bcr1973.
    @bcr1973. 11 месяцев назад

    What brand is that handlebar holder? I could use one in the workshop..

    • @TheYorkshireBikeMechanic
      @TheYorkshireBikeMechanic  11 месяцев назад

      Thanks for watching and your comments, not sure we have had it for years and all the labels have come off

  • @Govermentsound
    @Govermentsound 11 месяцев назад +3

    Big job just to replace headset bearings 😵‍💫

  • @bigbigpedro100
    @bigbigpedro100 Месяц назад

    Can you use an angled headset with this?

  • @geofftheriddler
    @geofftheriddler 11 месяцев назад +2

    These things are really close to a deal breaker for me

  • @IamCutePanda
    @IamCutePanda 11 месяцев назад

    Cool dude!

  • @user-gw7mi4ft3o
    @user-gw7mi4ft3o 4 месяца назад

    why cut the brake hose

  • @1jwh1
    @1jwh1 11 месяцев назад

    I know your pain,That Used to be a £20 job,
    time = labour
    Add in a possible bleed/hose,readjust gears re cable dropper,
    Bike designers need to understand what it takes to maintain these nightmare designs,all because of vanity.really??get a grip!
    Hopefully the customer understands why it costs extra.
    Atb John 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

  • @tekink8143
    @tekink8143 3 месяца назад

    I don't see the point of this internal cabe routing on this MTB frame given that all of the wires and hoses are still exposed after coming out of the headset area. It is a pain to replace those bearings as shown in this video. If it was one of those newer road frames that hide all cables/hoses inside the bar and stem it would make senses but not this!

  • @kentb3175
    @kentb3175 11 месяцев назад +2

    Great video as always but what a really stupid design with no real benefit for the consumer.

    • @TheYorkshireBikeMechanic
      @TheYorkshireBikeMechanic  11 месяцев назад

      Thanks for watching and your comments, depends on where you want to ride it and how hard or just to tootle around on?

  • @zwingler
    @zwingler 9 месяцев назад +1

    What a nightmare. Im happy im not servicing these bikes and keep my own very simple.

  • @vlbz
    @vlbz 10 месяцев назад +1

    How to fit an integrated cable headset? Don't:))

  • @jbean7952
    @jbean7952 Месяц назад

    These headsets are absolute garbage. Can’t wait for this stupid fad to go away as it serves no purpose. This idea that it makes the bike quieter is such nonsense.

  • @northman77
    @northman77 2 месяца назад

    That's so stupid... So unecessary! It should be a 10 minutes job. Now we have to disconnect the cables, cut the brake cable, bleed the brakes and fight all these in place 🤦

  • @bod3000
    @bod3000 11 месяцев назад

    Looks like time consuming pain in the ass

  • @serjturischev9557
    @serjturischev9557 10 месяцев назад

    what a terrible color of frame 🤢🤢

  • @camperp195
    @camperp195 11 месяцев назад +1

    Did this last month on my cube stereo,a massive pain in the ass,and sometimes the compression ring breaks as its so thin,and,the bearings dont come out easy as they are pressed in,and having to take the cups out just to get the bearings out is a bad design,acros charge a fortune for bearing sets,i just bought the bearings instead,bad design!

  • @rarebreed1984
    @rarebreed1984 2 месяца назад

    Do you really need a headset press for this?

    • @TheYorkshireBikeMechanic
      @TheYorkshireBikeMechanic  2 месяца назад +1

      Hi, thanks for watching and your comments, if your gonna do a proper job then yes you do