Which Is Better, Pop Up or Curb Hole, Proper Discharge of French Drain
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- Опубликовано: 3 апр 2017
- For Best Discharge, A Curb Hole is Recommended. Pop up works if you cannot core or cut the curb, but you will loose fall of 3" inches.
If your french drain is runs level, a pop up will really slow down the water. Much better to keep your fall and drill the curb!
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I wish they would allow core drill curbs where I live.
Chuck, You give Soo much this is for You and your viewers, when I do any French drain I use a sawzall, pop out the grass and you can't find the drain, but it's there, at the curb, safety cones, back against the tire and let the drill do all of the work, enjoy Your Wonderful life.FanTom USA
Thanks for this one. Asked a question on another video which if you find it please answer there for others but found out this is my daylight solution
Chuck...always enjoy your videos! It's given me more confidence to install drain piping if I need to! :)
+jackpics If you believe you can do it he guarantee's you can do it.
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Chuck, you've convinced me that I need to R&R collapsed El Cheapo Black Flexible Corrugated pipe with Schedule 40 - 4" pipe. A major downspout overflows at 20 yr old black flex drain pipe during rain....and saturates 12 x 8ft mulch bed trapped between driveway, sidewalk & slab house. In winter my driveway rises up 1-2" because Fall Rain trapped under driveway freezes.....source is failed drainage. Groan - I'll need to dig / trench at least 50 ft including under sidewalk. But when it's done....water 💦 problem solved!
Our town would NEVER allow a bored curb like that. Not to mention that so many 'curbs' nowadays are sloped so as to not accommodate this anyway.
Great job. Wonder if you could have slid a 3 inch pipe as a liner directly into the curb hole. There might be a reducer connector from 4 inch to 3 inch, then connect a 3 inch pipe. You hay always get a little bit of soils from the other side of the curb. But great job.
Very informative videos and positive host.
What do we use in neighborhoods with no curbs? Pop up or open pipe into the ditch? Problem with the open pipe is once the ditch fills the discharge pipe would be under the water...Problems I see with pop up are one, malfunction, and two, so much water coming out, some goes to ditch but the rest just floods the front of my yard....Biggest hault on my drainage project is where to go with it.....lol
Chuck, if you want to give advise about Arizona monsoon water in backyards with clay soil... I humbly volunteer my backyard in Phoenix for all the projects you would like to film.
Curb discharge is the norm in Australia. This is actually planned and formed when the curb is installed. Many people have water harvesting also, with overflow diverted to the curb pipe.
You can see Ollie and Ratty from Drain Addict unclogging a lot of those.
Unfortunately in Australia (at least in Sydney) we don't do water harvesting properly. We harvest roof water but not street water - I've been cutting curb holes for me and my neighbours to redirect the street water back into my yard.
Just what I needed to know.
Thanks
I'd like to cut a hole in my thick lawn edging so we can push through. I need some sort of end.brick witha while on the middle to see my pvc into it. Tough to find these little detauils
I’m going to do something like this around my house since I’m missing some gutters and can’t get anyone out to put them up on my two story home. I don’t have fascia either and I just had my shingles replaced I would rather not screw straps on my shingles. Any thoughts on the correct drain methodology, I was thinking corrugated slotted pipe with rock and a sleeve like a burrito 😆can I get your professional thoughts on the correct drainage methods and products to use for this. Thank you in advance! 🙏🏼
Do you put a grate / cover at the curb to keep out critters ?
Having that issue right now. Good thing I found this video. I dont have a level yard, slopes down. Just makes a mess.
Your pop up wasn’t working well? I’m designing my system and wondering if pop up will work....10” rise.
City will have a hay day when they see this, what a guy
Always get a permit. In many places, it is illegal to connect residential runoff into the city or country stormwater system.
Yeah, it's pretty stupid because you can have a pop up right up against the curb, but you can't cut the curb. The difference in water going into the storm sewer is essentially zero.
We own rental property in an older neighborhood and these curb holes are everywhere. What are they for? The houses are on crawlspaces.
What should you do as a out flow on a hill
What if you have a flatter, ramped curve instead?
What is the song at the endings of your videos?
Will this work in colder climate zones?
so did u install that pop up
Thanks. It helped me a lot !!
Your video
How did you drop down from 4” to 3”?
Hey Chuck, I live in Upland California, do you have any companies out here that I could hire to cut this hole in my curb, I think this is a little out of my comfort zone and I know my wife won't go for it and i would like to guarantee a good job. Any help or suggestions would be appreciated.
great job.. is that legal?
How do you keep it free of debris?
And if that water stays in that pipe, it makes it easier for roots to want to grow into the pipe for the water which then will lead to a clog.
Has anyone ever had HOA say no to the curb hole? We have this exact situation where it is holding back a large volume of water at the curb. It originates from our backyard which collects runoff from multiple neighbors. We’ve had to put up wire fencing just to keep our dog out of the muck in the back.
Do you need a permit for that, especially since it's city property?
Yes, typically. Check with your municipality's building department. It's typically the Engineering Division that issues any work done on the public right of way (curb cuts) as a separate permit.
What size hole do you cut in the curb?
Hey Chuck, would you recommend hitting that bored hole with waterproof coating, similar to how you coat the slabs for french draining? I would think without it, the concrete would see erosion damage over time due to it being a high flow area.
Good question! But no, the drill and Diamond core really smooth that out. like a finish concrete. In the lifetime of that curb, it would not erode
Wish you guys were in my area here in Dallas.
I'm in Dallas too & used the videos to do it myself & its solved my flooded yard & patio issues
Of I drill a hole on city property curb where I live I can spen a full year behind bars and $5k fines better I keep water inside my property line
Where can I lease this tool ?
Do you recommend using perforated piping to run the length of the french drain, solid piping or the mesh snake like thing with the foam bits in it?
If you're carrying water you always use solid pipe. This is because it won't clog and self-cleans itself out. In this case he's already collected water by the roof and gutters and wants that water goneeee. I wouldn't have used the black corrugated that the original guy used either because it clogs up very quickly. Solid pipe is the best way to go.
I have to core through 6 in foundation wall. But there is no place for placing a giant drill like yours. Unless demolish surround finish materials.
Do you have a better way!
The city doesn’t fine you for doing that to there curbs? Or is it a gated community?
Hi Chuck...we have the same kind of flat yard and out curb is actually 2 inches higher than our foundation. We can not go under the side walk and we can not drill through the curb. Are we stuck with the very long white extension pipes? we also have to have a way to clean out the drains. We have large maples trees around us...not our trees so gutter are cleaned at least 2 times a year. trying to come up with a solution for Chicago weather and to look nice. suggestions?
I live in the woods and gutter cleaning is a 3-4 time a year operation. I used Gutter Foam and the product lasted 5 years before parts began to decay in the sun, or filled with decayed matter and grass started to grow. There are also stainless mesh screens, and other options.
So...how do you prevent things from going up inside it and how big of a fit is a city going to have for cutting into their curb..?
What's the diameter?
should a check valve be place so the water from the curb don't go up that drain?
Not if you have proper fall from the foundation to the curb.
I would like to see him screen the hole, to prevent animals or inspects from making a new home
i was waiting for that at end of the video lol
To Rudyard: Gomez: This should be a must, due to other kinds of "animals" depositing their *extra-curricular wares* into the hole for safekeeping, disposal, or *planting!*
Yes, a screen would be a good idea. However, some of these systems are connected to downspouts. So leaves and debris could potentially clog that said screen and cause a bigger issue. Best to leave it open IMO
@@dezwilliamz That could be solved by adding a screen to the downspout end of the line, or ideally gutter covers.
is it possible to bore a hole in concrete on a slanted driveway where you have no curb? If so, would you use same type of system or would you need something difference for the slanted concrete?
Notch it out with a demo saw and a diamond blade place the pipe then patch it with concrete
I have a question what's a good price to pay to get a drain installed on my property it's about 100 ft all in together what will be a good price made okay I guess per foot or per job or however this works
I was quoted around $1700 for a 96' french drain from several companies.
Check for zoning laws if permissible ?
Question please...what if my street occasionally floods over the curb? I have a very good fall to the curb from the front yard, and I've had a reputable landscaper tell me that the downward pressure would still allow it to drain, although maybe slower. What do you think? Trying to avoid pop ups. Thanks
Raise the front of the house by 4 or 5 feet
The pressure will cause it to drain if you have good fall. As long as the (flooded) curb is lower than the top of the drain where the downspout ends the water will exit, although slower than if the street level was dry.
@@119Agent down here in Australia my neighbour has the drain hole at the gutter.When it rains too much the water can not get out the hole due to the amount of water coming down the street. We usually put several bricks on the upper side of the gutter hole to slow the water coming down the street so the water can get away. Pain having to do that .
Is it legal to do that in city . That's what I need to do , but don't want too get in trouble
It’s easy enough to find out. Just call your city or county and ask them. Most counties do allow.
I need some ideas. I currently have a relatively flat fall line with a pop up drain. Because of the 90 degree elbow on the popup, I have water standing in drain basin. If I could remove the 90 degree elbow, I'm sure it would empty the basin properly and move the water in a more thorough way. I'm a novice. Is there any other drain grate or something along those lines that I can use to replace the 90 degree elbow and pop up? Thanks!
Drill holes in your elbow & cover with mesh so they don't clog up
There are a 45” and 22” elbow options as well
why is it not standard in the US to have roof downpipes connected directly to the curb? I see a lot of downpipes in these videos discharging directly onto the ground right next to foundations. Here in Australia and New Zealand it is standard practice to connect all roof and driveway drains directly to the street gutter.
Actually any water that goes over the curb would go into storm drain .
So common practice is too spread the roof water over your yards first.
Then whatever couldn’t be absorbed by the yards would spill over the curb and be drain into storm drain and then to the body of water like creek or stream or river or lake or ocean .
Every one roof draining straight over the curb directly is a BAD idea
You would overwhelm the storm drain and caused frequent flooding
@@sofjanmustopoh7232 that makes sense in drought prone areas helping to water the lawn but i see many that discharge right by the house!. Here we can get 300mm (12 in) of rain in a day and the storm drains are massive with multiple grates in case one is blocked. Every house and business is connected to the street gutter. there are large retention ponds especially in newer suburbs that hold the water until the flow decreases. yes we do get flooding but not so much from overwhelmed storm drain. many houses also have rainwater tanks attached to the downpipes to hold the water to use in the garden and slow down the release. different strokes for different folks i guess
What other options are there if county won't allow curb hole or curb cutting?
Dave B pop up or dry well
Check with your local governing authorities about connecting to your street's subdrainage tile for sump pump connections. Gutter/downspouts should not cross easement or right-of-way lines per international building code and should remain 10' back from property lines. If a pop up is unavoidable and is roughly 10' away from home foundations a smooth wall Perforated PVC Sewer and Drain Pipe ASTM D2729 would allow drainage water from within the pipe to soak out of the pipe into the surrounding grade. This will help prevent standing water in the pipe with the use of a french drain set up along the perforated section of the pipe. Check surrounding grade by a percolation test to decide on the size of trench for proper drainage.
Do you typically have to get a permit from the city to drill through the curb?
Check your local building codes! Most things require a permit.
If you don't want your neighbors across the street ratting you out just park a huge motor home in front of the curb while you work
Still gonna hear you or next door neighbor will see you
Might have to check into other boring tools...1 hr? We had our street/curbs redone, and each house has 2 curb holes. They knocked out about 60 holes in less than a day
@Sean M
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My city doesn't allow discharge at the street. My discharge must be still in my own yard at least ten feet from the curb.
prettygirlus900 do they charge you for storm water run off?
Same here where I live. I'm sure Chuck is getting a permit before he does this.
Use a pump then?
@@emeltea33 There is a stormwater fee on the annual property tax bill, based on impervious square feet of the property.
I hope they have a permit from the city. The pipe should also come through the curb hole.
Do we need to have a permit to drill out a side curve hole
Almost always!
Thank you sir for the info
@@appledrains
Do you need a permit to dig your own trench drain?
What was the total time to drill thru the concrete ??
About 10 minutes
Did anyone catch what diameter hole he drilled in that curb?
3 inch
In my area that curb hole would have some kind of rodent living in it and building a nest in the line in no time. If possible I'd try to install some kind of a grate or screen over the hole to keep the water running freely.
When a wall of water came rushing through I bet they'd figure out it was time to move...
I mean yeah, if that is actually a problem you can just cover the pipe with a screen before connecting it to the curb hole
should have spaced it farther away from the seem to improve structural integrity now that's going to be the first place the curb will take damage from either a good frost heave or from somebody running over the curb to many times
homeowner will likely die before that happens
ww2 colorizer you obviously don't know anything about cement, concrete, asphalt or anything for that matter. Frost don't only happen in the winter months and they can happen any time any place and stupid drivers are the same. So either know your shit or don't say anything dumbass
Or get foreclosed on. Either way.
Not diamond core, carbide tipped
Great new home for neighborhood toads
Down here in Houston everyone's pool and sump drains through a hole in the curb.
Were they installed initially or after the fact?
Houston has the most relaxed zoning laws in the country.
Do you need to get city or village approval before cutting the curb hole?
Marc Config Looking at the information below the video it sounds like it depends on what the local government allows
I know all city require permit. If not the owner who are cheap will do a chop up job and ugly work. Or fly by night contractor will butcher the curb and walk away.
Marc Config something everyone needs to remember in regards to drains. Every municipal area has different laws. HOA have additional laws. In all cases you have to comply or risk penalties INCLUDING your city suing you for stealing their water. In dry areas for instance the city may rely on your rain water entering their system. Don't get in trouble.
my village does not have curbs or sidewalks, we have an open pit in front of every house that is the toilet system here in moyeturtville Mexico 🇲🇽
But when you get a decent storm and water builds up in the street, you will end up with water going back through the kerb into your garden and backing up into your french drain?
Not if you have the proper fall. If you don't you need a pump.
water falls. it doesn’t float.
Looks illegal just coring town property like that... i would still do it though and just say it was always there or something
Michael Chapman exactly what I just thought
The curb and the sidewalk or both the homeowner's responsibility and their property
In allot of flat areas of the country its common to pull a simple permit for this.
I have two homes in two different counties. In one, the permit to do this is free and you just need someone from the water division to do a driveby. In the other, it is illegal to discharge runoff from my property to the country stormwater system.
@@danielzufall4363 Not anywhere I have ever worked. Sidewalk and curb is city property, it's in the utility easment.
the only down side of the curb hole is "back flow"
Dam when did water start running up hill
Not if you have proper fall. The house's foundation should be considerably higher than the curb. If not, you should be using a pump to push the water out.
Great example of a curb hole but I thought you didn't like using PVC pipe and were a corrugated pipe only guy... ;-)
I wish more folks drilled the curb versus hacking the curb then patching it. I know there can be a lot of reasons but look can't be beat. and i was just messing with you. hope all is well.
4:38, you may want to use spell check.
I believed I could do something but then, despite your guarantee, I couldn't! Where do I cash in this guarantee???
You can do it
Did you even try??
LOL😀
A lot municipalities would not allow this
Hello Christopher, and there are a lot of municipalities that would allow! 😊
Nice yard of the month sign,smh
another solution would be to make your basement into a swimming pool.
Looks like water from the street will go in to that curb hole and pipe all the way to the house when will be raining hard because not enough pitch from the house.
not true
ww2 colorizer o
If you don't have at least 1/8" for every 1 foot then you really need a pump to stop that from happening. It doesn't look as flat as Chuck seems to think it is but the camera can play tricks on you sometimes.
The neighbour has that setup. The pipe blocks up when we have too much water coming down the street,we have to put bricks in the gutter out the front just up from the gutter hole to slow the water coming down the street so the water can get away from the property.
Anyone else notice how he is knee deep in water, while using an electric drill.
As long as he is attached to the appropriate wattage breaker he is fine.
In my city you need a permit you need to remove the section concrete of curb and to the street with steel pipe inside the hole. This curb you did will crack over time and look ugly and hole near the divider line even worst. If this video need permit the city inspector will made you start over and you wasted the money in the beginning. Please don't do it .
Not true. Mine was done exactly the same way he did in this video and it hasn't cracked in 25 years. In fact, many of the houses in my neighborhood had the exact same procedure and none of them have cracked. Not one
Until there's an answer to whether or not you can do this to city property, it gets a thumbs down.
There's another video with this same job where he advised you to check your local municipal and HOA by laws before attempting to do this. He can't possibly know what the laws are for each municipality.
Electric tools and water dont mix Kemosabi
what about electric mixers?