The REAL TRUTH about Geo Fabric, WARNING, May Not Be Suitable for All Viewers
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- Geo Fabric and French Drains. The Real Truth
French Drain is perforated pipe surrounded with an aggregate. The drain collects SUBSURFACE WATER. It helps dry out low spots in your yard. A CATCH BASIN collects Immediate Surface Water. As it rains harder and harder, water will begin to pool up in your low spot. The Catch Basins allows that water to drain directly into your system.
You need both for Proper Yard Drainage
French Drain is a great way to help remover water from areas around the yard , the foundation and crawl space. Here is a great project for the DIY. Use a Sump Pump for even better discharge of the water.
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Any1 else jus randomly watching this guy frm yet another "bizarre" RUclips recommendation? 😄 I'm hooked! 🤩
100%.... NO idea how I got here but I stayed for the obvious passion and enthusiasm. Thanks for teaching me something boss!
Hey bro hope youre doing alright. Im here too lmao
That landscape fabric I had removed it all because the rain water was running right over our french drain. Once we removed it the drain worked perfect!
We fill our drains with gravel all the way to the surface for this exact reson. Maximum flow rate
I've been watching a lot of these videos on french drains and this guy strikes me as the most knowledgeable.
Yes. Yes, he is. I have utmost faith in this kind, very handsome (amazing voice too!) Floridian. Not only can you get your DIY job done right first time, save a lot of money also your wife will be distracted by this good looks & easy charm so you can be free to actually get the job done without quite so much nagging interference. I am short fat and hairy with a hideously mangled face. I wear very thick eyeglasses too. You can see my when I was younger on wwtbam uk tv edition where I won $125k tax free on tv in 2001. Hotchin is my name. I was slim then.
Your video is the best help I could
Wish for, my wife just inherited a rent house, been doing work on the place and noticed the place has flooded in the past, as my luck runs, it rained very hard while I'm there, noticed all the water running up to the front door, of course the street is about a foot higher, got to within 2 Inches of coming in, have decided to put French drain in front of foundation and drain into Bach yard, all down hill, your video answered all my questions, thanks so much for your time and effort in showing the correct way it's done
This by far the BEST explanation of preparing for french drains. I've installed several nearly 25 years ago that still work. Now I just had my back yard trenched for nearly 100 feet and preparing to lay gravel and pipe. I appreciate your examples of cloth. THANKS
You sir, are so helpful! I’m putting in a drain in my yard soon. I’ve watched so many of your videos and now know that I CAN do it myself! (Thanks to you). This video answered my last question. I’ll give you a shoutout for the help in my video of my drain build. Thanks again!
Chuck that DIY union connector tip you showed was priceless! So great! And so simple!
Love the tip about how to join the corrugated pipe!! Perfect! Thanks!
Chuck, your test with buckets is showing a scenario where you would cover your french drain with clay or soil. Well, in this case, fabric or no fabric will make no difference as water won't be able to penetrate anyway. If you would like to do this test, french drain should be open (allow drainage from the top) in which case means you cover it with gravel and then put fabric on top of it. Remember, point where clear stone meets clay that's where fabric sits and it's not expected for water to come in through that point anyway. In a french drain water is expected to come in through gravel around your pipe and in order to do that water has to have direct contact with gravel, not through clay (it won't work). All fabric does is prevents your gravel around the FD not to clog with your soil. Now, I'm not sure why are people opposed to fabric when for few bucks you can have a bulletproof system. You should do a test that mimics real french drain.
Thank you for taking the time to do this. I am preparing to do a perimeter drain in my basement. Was wondering what you use for weeping membrane on the walls. The walls are cinder block and I intend to drill weep holes, just above the footer.
I have learned so much from watching your channel. I put in a "poor man's" system to help keep water away from my house. It's not perfect - but you gave me the encouragement and the knowledge to "get 'er done". Thank you!
Hi from Australia! Your experience and explanation of this topic is OUTSTANDING! I have learned so much from you.
thank you for taking the time to help all us newbies !
I love tour videos and I know you have helped so many DIY home owners like myself. I listen to every once of advice in your videos (and I have watched everyone) I was able to avoid paying 25k in exterior water proofing. I spent 5 days and 5k. Its been yrs and not a drop of water in my basement. Thank you so mutch and thank u for this video. Just remember, the trolls will always be around.
Hi Florida man! Your explanations made the whole thing interesting. I don’t even know the first thing about drains. Just clicked on it because of my interest in gardening. Learned stuff 👍🏼
I just did a perimeter drain in my crawlspace in Indy using about 100 feet of the EZ Drain pipe....it seems to be working so far!
I also connected the pipes using your method....great info!
Thanks! 👍
I bet that cost you.
Dude, you're awesome! You're the Bob Ross of drainage. Thanks for all the videos!
Hello Chuck! I've been watching your videos for the longest time, and have to say you are the most knowledgeable guy out there. I especially appreciate your honest evaluations on time and money savers. I'm hoping you have a video of what to do when you have very low to no slope to work with. Thanks and keep the videos going.
I live in Oregon. We get alot of rain and it's pure clay. What I do is cut the fabric in strips and pin them on the sides of the trench to prevent the clay from getting into the drain rock, but not the bottom so water can either come up into the pipe or drain down. drain rock in the trench, then the pipe, cover the top with drain rock, then fabric,then 3/4 crushed open (clean) rock for a nice finish look. If the customer wants soil over the pipe I never put the clay there. I cover with a sandy loam.
If water is moving up into the trench from the bottom, and the bottom of the trench has no fabric, then that water is bringing contaminants with it.
Really love the encouraging spirit you have in your videos Chuck. It’s great that you are so willing to help others trying things on their own. Keep rocking brother! 👊🏼🙌🏼
Thank you so much for all of your videos. I have been researching cost associated with foundation drainage systems. Your channel has given me a lot of helpful information that my husband and I will be putting to good use.
Thank you so much! I’m trying to figure out the best way to drain our paddock full of clay muck. This helps because you’re offering info basic to drainage that I need to know to help make an informed decision. :)
Been watching your stuff for a while now! Thanks so much Chuck! Great info.
Chuck, I so appreciate your videos, and I must say you are a trusted source and advisor as I need to repair erosion and add some sort of water collection or diverter system from my over whelmed house gutters. Thanks for your videos, my friend!
You explain things very well - obviously knowledgeable and interested in what you do. Good job!
Man, this is the second video of yours I watch on accident, and you are awesome :) explaining the simple things. I love how you show us how to join the pipes.. I did my drain field a few years ago but now I know the stuff!!
Awesome tips, especially joining the perforated pipe! Thanks!
I love Chuck's no nonsense straight forward practical easy to do diy projects.. I binged watched all Apple drains videos.
I think most drainage would be better served by creating a stream instead, no need for plastic or fabric, just dig a V shaped trench, lay some flat stones on the bottom, some pebbles on the sides. If it gets blocked then easy to clean, but in practice most streams don't block. But could also cover with something removable, eg. slate. Maybe rounded roof tiles would make a good stream base with larger roof tiles as a cover.
The other thing with this test is that the geofabric must only let the water pour at the same rate as the earth material. So for clay it could be slow but for sandy soil it could be faster. If its draining too fast then it is probably too pourous and will let the earth through.
Yes I'm thinking something similar. If pipe will eventually clog why bother. Water will flow through a rock filled trench. Also I have a dirt filled basement. I eventually plan to concrete but have been thinking to not concrete over the trench but rather just leave the stone perimeter. The slope is most important!
Dearest Apple Drains, you are most helpful and absolutely inspiring!
You have helped me so much!!!! I feel confident that I can complete my project and that your information is accurate and useful. Thanks Chuck!!
Installing a drainage system in Florida is very different than installing a drainage system in Michigan or Massachusetts. Just because someone installs a drainage system in a different manner does not make it wrong !
Many people are unaware of the reasons why people do things differently in other regions of the country. Like using double wall corrugated pipe instead of single wall pipe or using a high quality SRW non woven drainage fabric in stead of landscaping fabric or using Agri Drain PVC
tile tape on the drainage pipe joint to stop the piping separating at the frost line and to stop root migration into the piping. FYI there are many reasons for taking these preventive measures...
Basically it just depends on the soil that you are building the drain in. Different regions, different soils. We just move to a new region. I am struggling with a fluffy lawn. I think it has moles. One spot is squishy and holds water. My daughter thinks we have clay with sand over it in that spot. That is why I am watching this. The yard slopes towards the house too. That isnt good.
Meli G Did you install a drainage? If so did you use fabric?
I am done with the dig and at the point where I’m about to lay gravel in. I just don’t know whether to use fabric or not. This guy is obviously one of the best and seemingly his experience speaks for itself. However, reading so much back and forth and not truly getting convinced either way, I’m still unsure.
I’m in Southern California and the yard is a thick dense clay that just isn’t porous at all. The yard also slopes toward the house and with no drainage when it rains it’s a messy puddle where the lawn meets the patio concrete. I’m installing triplewall pipes with the double holes facing down onto the aggregate. Fabric or no...?
Hello Chuck! Thank you so much for all your informative, motivating, and inspiring video!! I've enjoyed them. I'm working on a project in my backyard where the water settled in the middle of the yard...Yikes! The rest of the foundation surrounding the house is concert. Trying to figure out the best approach would love your feedback.
Done a few of these projects this summer. You knowledge and pointers really helped me out a lot. Appreciate it!!
We just put this type of drainage at the side of our studio and the end of the back yard. I believe you are 100% correct. We have a clay soil and this has made the drainage worse. It has rained no where near as heavy as it usually does for the water to start accumulating and it's up to my ankles already. It is almost like the water is not getting through, or, at least way too slow. With the rain we have just had, there is very little water accumulation but now i am worried about when we have really heavy down fall, especially if it's over a few days. And my worry about the geo fab, is what lead me to google how well it works. This video has answered a lot of my questions. Thank you
Unfortunately you are going to have to rip all that geofabric out. I guarantee you the fabric you laid is completely plugged with clay.
I have it on good authority from a soil scientist here in NC that fabric is not needed in a clay trench. However in a sandy or silty trench it definitely helps. This guy spoke at our septic certification and I asked him a lot about fabric for french drains. I figured the soil scientist has forgotten more about dirt than I’ll ever learn. 😂
great explanation of how the French drain works!
Great video ...I really like the splicing trick... Good Stuff...
This is great, Chuck. Very informative. Thank you for being so generous with your knowledge.
G'Day from Australia!
Thanks Chuck I am about to do about 150ft of French drain in clay and you have saved me money and time. Legend!
Thank you for the tip on how to connect the pipes-was wondering if it could work, so cool!😊👍
Here is a link to US Fabrics. They are one of the geotextile fabric suppliers that are used by the US DOT...which means their products are approved for use in road construction. The link clearly shows the properties and strength ratings of their 4oz nonwoven geo fabric. Scroll down and see their PDF's on how to build French drains and foundation drains. They recommend a complete wrap of the drain. They say that their product will keep the sediment out. I dont know how fabrics are rated but I have seen 4 oz fabrics that are paper thin like the ones chuck has in this video and then I've seen 4oz fabrics that are thick like a felt blanket. I believe that not using fabric around basement weeper tiles along the foundation is why we see so many home weeper tiles fail. If the builders used a quality fabric I think the weepers would last longer. Chuck says 4oz fabric is not expensive...maybe not the thin stuff from lowes but a good quality 4oz fabric will be close to $200 from what I've found for a 150' roll.
www.usfabricsinc.com/products/us-100nw/
Cold Steel Guns good info
That coupling trick with the pipe itself was brilliant.
thanks for the info I think I am going to try it ....Im 60 but very limited on cash I am trying to cut costs. I was just laid off finding a job at 60 tough but I have needed to do this for a long time cant wait to get started on it. Best way to get the fall correctly is my biggest concern. Im in Tulsa surely you want to make a video here ...lots of clay and not sure if i have enough fall to carry it away ...but I will read up and watch more videos
Hi Chuck, thank you for your education and experiments.
In order to avoid agg and cloth clogging, to me it looked like the best way to get rid of them altogether by increasing total system's capacity. What I mean is Instead of using 4'' pipe wrapped in 8'' agg and cloth, just use 8'' slotted pipe. It will never get clogged as the volume is huge. Any clay will get inside and get washed away. Bigger particles like small stones and coarse sand will stay outside and provide filtering, so you will get self-cleaning system. If the soil subsides, just add some small gravel or coarse sand on top.
P.S. I am not in this business, but get some experience and still looking for the best way.
You are a honest guy, not much left to tell the truth ... My mother's nurse said by pointing out my mother " they are not made anymore " lol... like that honest people almost disappeared. not made anymore. Thank you.
Your method of the joint is way better and smarter! Thanks for sharing
SO glad I found this video! You crammed a ton of great info in here! I especially like how you used slit pipe to join two pipes together!! Keep up the great videos!
Hey Chuck! I'm a believer, especially about your remedy for waterlogged backyards. Thanks.
Thanks for the tip on using a piece of the corrugated pipe to secure two sections of pipe together. 👍
Glad you explained that chuck......I live up north looks like the white cover over pipe......
Hey Chuck! I found your channel researching a DIY Sump Pump I am planning. Thank you for all the great information! I live in Pennsylvania with mostly clay soil. Would you recommend me wrapping my sump basin in landscape fabric? Thank you!
Thank you so much for all the information. Its is really well done and very helpful. My question is you always say that the french drain is for sub surface water but you test these fabrics only from the surface water point of view. If you had a stone and pipe drain wrapped with fabric would the hydrostatic pressure force the water from the clay through the fabric into the pipe and collect the subsurface water that way?
Thanks man great videos!!!. God bless you always!!! I may need your help soon with my drain problem!
I've got a 4' deep block foundation I'm digging out next week. I'm going to go with thick walled PVC with holes. Should I just do gravel and fabric on top then soil? No fabric on the sides? I know to stay away from the burrito technique. Thanks for all your informative videos!
Excellent video great illustration thank you bud
Agreed proper preparation and installation strategies must be considered per the various local soil conditions and hydraulic factors.
Great videos!
I live in Oregon and have a bunch of trees. Do you have any videos about how best to protect the drain pipe from roots getting in but still allowing for water to have good access during our rainy winters?
Thanks!
I’m renovating my garden because there was an 8-10 layer of clay under ~10 inches of top soil, after 2 years the soil has become saturated and is now ruined. I’ve taken all the ruined soil and clay out and I’m now left with a 20 inch excavation plus a soakaway which I have centred in the middle. I’m putting down a layer of drainage gravel on the base and having that channel towards to soakaway, and on top of that premium quality top soil. I’m thinking 8 inch layer of gravel and 12 inch layer of soil with a pourous membrane separating them. Would this be ok to grow grass on? Many thanks
Hi Chuck this is a great video. I have a question. I am doing a small retaining wall there is limited space, I am making an L corner. Should the drain start on the short end of the L and carry no around the corner? The short length of the L is about 29 inches. I am using PVC. Thanks . Your videos are appreciated.
I love this channel, I have learned so much
Excellent videos, thanks for posting them!
Excellent illustration!
"We can even come to Michigan." That made me chuckle. Thanks Chuck! Keep up the videos.
Yep, I'm from MI and would prefer Chuck over FDM.
we have learned filter fabric does not work, or maybe it works too well. the filter fabric collects sediment until it becomes completely blocked. we have replaced filter fabric'd french drains that appear to have never had water in the pipes a decade after being installed with standing water over the trenches. the point of having a pipe in a french drain is so that you can clean it. you want the sediment to make it in to the pipe where you can clean it, having it collected by a filter that you cannot change or clean seems stupid. every filter has a lifespan. I will only use perf sdr. the flexible black slit stuff fails in our climate. have used NDS and ADS when it was spec'd by the plans and we were unable to get them to switch to what we know actually works. thankfully the consultant has also learned the filter fabric fails (even though it is in their plans due to a cut and paste detail for the last 15 years) and the meeting minutes record them telling us to delete it every time.
Chuck I just want to thank you for all these videos. You’re so incredibly thorough and contagiously positive. I can’t help but smile seeing you do your thing. Thank you for all the insight 🙏
I put a french drain in and I used a somewhat tarp material and water is running on top of it. Can I just cut the top of it off and leave it rock? I live in wv.
Thank you. You really helped understand how things work together
I don’t usually write in comments but Chuck you are awesome. Thank you so much for your videos of instruction and encouragement. Not a lot of people a genuine as you are. Thanks again can’t wait to see more.
I live in the northern rocky part of West Virginia, we believe after Noah’s flood God put all the rocks in our yard, 😂, I WAS going to wrap the pipe with fabric until I watched this video now Ima just cover my pipe with smooth rock, cover with a piece of fabric, then soil. Thanks for the awesome info
Excellent video my friend, thanks for giving us the real scoop on this stuff.
Love the info AND your positivity!
Thanks for this, I just bought 5 acres on Vancouver Island BC Canada. gradual slopes on the property that are very sogging and the more we walk in one area its clear it is clay. We get tons of rain.
there is a ditch that runs along side the property down to a very low spot where it creates a little lake. as it is gradual slope, should I dig trenches down to the lake and ditch?
great video... so for upnorth living... aka mud and clay michigan.. only put the cloth on the top?
What type of blade are you using with the hacksaw? Thanks in advance
Your the best Chuck!!! Thanks for the updated video
New follower here, a lot of great info, stuff I never knew, Thank you
It was very late at night when I watched but just so I understand, the fabric is essentially, optional in the end. Water and fine dirt will still end up in the pipe. I'm considering using 3inch pvc that will end in a dry well/trench.
Thanks for the abundance good info, One suggestion when using a piece of corrugated to couple 2 corrugated pipes. Put the connecting piece outside the other 2 pieces to avoid creating a restriction inside the connection.
we looking to build a driveway road up hill, what geofabric to use? i want to use the slotted pipe to the water gets drained into it, and collected at the bottom dam that we have, - could you advice quickly what to use? Also reg stone? big stones first on top of the fabric then fine agregate?
very good info thanks
About to take on my backyard which is at the bottom of a 30 ft hill with a plan above it. Have a lot of surface water. Is there any rhyme or reason on what type of pipe to I chose. Is one better than others for certain applications?
so true I have also found also that the fabric 'filters' will clog quickly and nearly completly , especially with the very fine heavy fine clay glacier till and other fine soil particles of the wet western pacific northwest and is realy not suitable , unless you want to minimize excessive intrusion of soil material settling down from above into your drainage rock when you back fill, just like the old school methods with newspaper and tar paper for septic systems.
so south western Oregon, we have a clay area in our back yard that is a dense clay that just clings to water, ( can't dig through it) we have a french drain a short distance away and the clay just won't let the water drain. how does a home owner go about resolving this problem?
Hey buddy, thank you so much, learned so much
If you can move water around in Florida after a deluge or for instance, a hurricane or due to having a high water table then you can move it around anywhere. Your comments show that your experience is invaluable in addressing different soils/sand when deciding which variation of application of drain system to choose to ensure success. This guy knows his h20! Thanks for sharing your knowledge!
I love what you say at the end about believing in yourself. It’s a nice uplifting message.
Your using the wrong fabric number 1, it should be NON WOVEN. 2. The dirt not making it thru the fabric is the reason it works!!! The water goes thru the clay does not... smdh
Great video Chuck! thanks.
great work thank for the info
wow thank you so much for making this video!!! answered so many of my questions in just one video. THANK YOU FOR THE EDUCATION !!
Hey, Chuck, I have a question. I’m redoing a French drain which doesn’t work. The trench was wrapped in heave fabric and the pipe was wrapped separately in the same material. I’ve removed all the gravel and the fabric. I know your not a fan of the geofabric but this video shows a sleeve on the pipe. Do you recommend a sleeve
11:26 This gets at the crux of fabrics. They serve best at SEPARATION. This is why using fabric to keep fine soils out of large drainage zones (bed of crush rock for example) makes perfect sense, but using it to wrap directly around the drain pipe makes less sense.
I like your intuitive sense, but I will say that your bucket experiments don't really show much, besides that clay heavy soils don't pass water well.
Why would we expect water to run through that pile of clay freely, just based on the fabric holding up the pile?
I would challenge someone to find a material that can hold the pile of clay AND allow water to pass. You will inevitably get one of two things:
1) Something that effectively holds the clay, and therefore the clay will hold water OR
2) Something that lets water pass through freely, but with it, the sediments of the clay.
You simply cannot expect ANY material to effectively hold back (separate) the clay AND allow water to pass freely, because the CLAY ITSELF IS WHAT BLOCKS THE FLOW.
Moral of the story: separate your fines from your drainage areas with as much surface area as possible, or design in an allowance for fines to migrate without blocking the system immediately (often its a matter of time, however, and the addition of clean-outs may be wise).
I agree that it's the clay itself that blocks the flow, but in answer to your challenge, graphene might have the physical properties for the job. Amazingly graphene blocks even the smallest atoms, helium and hydrogen, yet it allows water to pass through it. I don't know how quickly though.
exactly. if clay moved water well, we wouldn't need the drain in the first place.
I'm sure he's referring to exactly what you said. The fabric only adds resistance. It doesn't help move water. Instead of the water flowing thru the clay, into the heavy aggregate, then into the pipe. The clay will build up on top, and the rocks below will act like a strainer. If fabric is used, The clay would then just clog the fabric. Why add another resistant barrier?
Obviously both systems work, but one costs more.
@@bobloblaw7465 if water directly on the fabric flows freely, it's not really adding resistance. the fabric is there to keep the clay from clogging the tubes which it absolutely will do eventually
@@bobloblaw7465 There's no indication that the fabric is "getting clogged".
I have a big hill behind my house and my it seems like the water drains through my back yard and then into the neighbor's property. A lot of the water stays in my back yard and takes days to dissipate. How deep should I dig my trench and what size pipe do you reccomend?
Howdy, "neighbor". You sound like the guy next door to me. I wish you had got an answer to your question. Did you figure it out?
You're a good man Chuck. Thanks for making this videos
I love your channel. I design high performance homes and you are really knowledgeable about a lot of what you speak about. Refreshing to see your channel and I love how you test what you use!!!
I would love to know your opinion on using landscape fabric, here's some specific questions: I live in Canada and in the BC Builder Guide to Site And Foundation Drainage (which I hope you look at briefly) it's a really well done book on best practices. Something that is new to me is that in the book they talk about not using the fabric on the underside quite often, they will cover the tops of drain rock and sides but leave the bottom open, never using a sock on the pipes and I'm new to the whole leave the bottom open. Do you have any thoughts of that? I can't leave a link because youtube won't let me but if you copy paste that name of the guide into google you'll be able to download the pdf. What do you think about this? Wouldn't that be a problem in some areas with perhaps clay or different soil types? Would love your thoughts on it all. Btw, that black pipe you use, I'm sure you know, but as far as I know, that black rippled pipe is basically garbage of a product and if used in say foundation drainage systems it's of high risk of breaking because of how weak it is. I'm on teh same page with you, holes down and never use a sock in my understanding with high performing homes.
Very interesting information Sir!
I live in Nc and just put French drain around the house I put the 100 ft roll with the fabric around it that you can pick up from lowes. I put gravel down for the base. I didn't put gravel around nor on top of the pip. I just back filled with the dirt. Is this going to cause a problem later? Or cause the pip not to serve its purpose later down the road? Thanks in advance for all answers.
yep, the clay will eventually pack and fill the holes on the pipe, it will take awhile but it will happen, should've graveled the crap out of it on top, all the way around, the more gravel the better, the water will flow through the gravel as easy as the pipe
Are you still consulting? Im on a LOW water table in north GA right next to a manmade lake. Groundwater is flooding the property even with no rain and would love your input. Many people have been out here offering 40k+ solutions that seem outrageous and just plain don't make sense after watching your videos.
I'm still waiting for that go-pro shot.
He also used a hard stream from the hose with the fabric alone and then used a lighter shower setting when he sprayed the clay soil. Of course, it won't come through the same when you shoot water through the fabric!
Don't sweat the small stuff- this guy is providing a-lot of value for FREE, and your concerned with a go-pro shot!!
Hi Chuck
I’ve watched all of your training videos for months now. I believe you are the French Drain expert. I’ve also watched your competition and how they try to contradict your methods.
It’s my opinion you are the honest one. Or else you would not record your projects for the world to see. You are honest with your estimates, don’t over charge, explain every step in detail as the job progresses, and encourage the homeowner to save money and DIY projects.
I bought my home in Feb 2019 and the crawl space is flooding due to the neighbors yards higher and slopes towards my house. I am in bad heath but I am willing to try.
I can not go into the crawl space for heath reasons so I am going to try an outside French Drain. My reasoning for this approach is to catch the water before it enters my crawl space and disperse it to the drainage cauldron out front. My floors are warped but that dos t concern me, I can live with that. I just want to stop it from getting worse.
I really wish you were up here in Ohio Chuck👍. Unfortunately I do not have much money to hire a pro like yourself. So I plan to rent a Trencher and try myself.
Let me know if this is a good approach?
Thank you for all the video help and encouragement Chuck!
Keep up the good work!
Mark