Prometheus Lights: Turning a Brass Alpha Pen Grip (Haas ST10-Y)
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- Опубликовано: 24 июл 2024
- I decided to run some parts in brass so I could shoot good video without all the coolant running! The grip is a tricky little part. The largest drill is 1/4" and the smallest is 2.8mm. That is the smallest size drill OSG makes with coolant through. I wasn't sure it would be possible to do the whole thing without flipping the part to machine the other end, but I managed to get a way with cutting the final contour on the tip and parting off with the same tool. Not really how it's supposed to be used, but it works! There is still a manual debur operation of the opening at the tip, but I set that up on the Bridgeport and it goes pretty fast.
About the maker:
Before introducing Prometheus Lights to the world, founder Jason Hui designed watches, fly-fishing equipment, retail stores and machine tool accessories. He's built animatronic sharks for a Hollywood special effects studio, worked on the Automotive X Prize and the world’s first high-performance electric motorcycle at Mission Motors. “The world is full of stuff,” says Hui. “As a consumer, I want to buy things that I know someone has cared about and that I know will last. As a designer, maker and strategist, I strive to create products that reflect how I see the world, my values and they way I want to fit into the big picture."
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Awesome! It's nice seeing all the spring passes for the best surface finish.
hey, didn't expected you to be here.
Wow, that's really quite beautiful.
Really cool, I could watch hours of this stuff
is there any particular reason you used the grooving tool to do most of the turning then used a 55° turning tool to do the grooving?
Short answer, yes. Feel free to Google "SECO MDT" ... it's a turn-groove tool. I used the DCMT insert for the groove because I can get it in a positive rake geometry and I also want the grooves to be directional. Typical small-width grooving tools have neutral rake.
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Excuse for my English!
Cool!
I work at HAAS ST-10.
I was interested by wire limiter which is brought at the moment when the bar moves.
For what it?
We don't use limiters at all.
And it became interesting to me.
No words. Simply incredible.
qu'elle s sont les etapes à suivre avant de lancer l'usinage thank you
super olmus daha da şekıl vido beklıyoruz
Good job, keep up it
Good job
Nice video, thanks :)
2:30 soooo asmr feeling
ما شاء الله ابداع في الدقة و التصميم
nice keep it up
What kind of material do you normally make this part out of? I know the brass is for the video presentation only.
Thanks for actually reading the notes :) We currently make pens out of brass, copper, aluminum, and 6/4 titanium. Originally (at the time of the video) we only made them in aluminum and titanium.
MERCI Beaucoup
i can watch this all day
Bhai video to mast h par is ka program bhi bata diye Ho te to aur samjh aa gaya hota
What is the wire at the end doing?
Robert Aikins
It's the stop for the automatic bar feed the chuck closes when the bar is tripped.
Nope it's just to add some load against the push rod in the -Z direction, the Haas bar feeder likes to overshoot especially for short pushes so this helps keep it from pushing too far
If this is production, slow the rpm for the tap sooner
Tell me more
Comment choisir les origines : op(origine piece) ,om(origine machine) MERCI
Nice part a little inn efficient to much going away coming back with different tools could have roughed finished all with dcmt then screw cut and ran spring pass the part off
朋友這是最驚人的喜歡，我看到眼睛霧煞煞讚分享好久不見
Really amazing
You can push much harder on this Kind of Material
Trolls sometimes make assumptions that show that they didn't read the video notes before they posted. This is an example.
@@PrometheusLights i read this, but its still truth what i said. that doesnt mean that this finish Peace is bad or something. For a Single Part the time doesnt really matter dont feel atacket by me
@@i3l4ckskillzz79 Hi Sven, the first line of the video description reads, "I decided to run some parts in brass so I could shoot good video without all the coolant running!" The program you are seeing...is not for brass.
yeah good :D
my job its with brass
In germany we call this ausschuss
Genau 😂
me gustari verlo en un acero que tenga cromoniquel minimo un 1045 en bronce no es nada
what was the approximate price of this machine????
Brpa mil itu
goodluck merci
Many tools
Am glad I watched this very well put together video and turning-cutting operation with the coolant, thanks.
Reading the comments provides an insight into human behaviours. Am surprised at the low number of comments given the number of views 1,633,086 : 127 approaching one comment per 12,859 views. (Invited here by email "The pen that it made it all possible.")
with drawing
can you make it go slower?😋
Yes, it is very easy to make it go slower.
Change the playback speed
You need a new post processor. Very inefficient, plus the tooling selection was.. different? The overall is nice though so whatever works and your comfortable with.
Matthew Nulph I’m the post processor so that’s going to be tough. Did you want to contribute a suggestion or just trolling?
The tooling is SECO MDT with through coolant at the cutting edge, and enables us to run a wide variety of inserts in the same tool holders.
@@PrometheusLights Not trolling at all I'm sorry if it came off that way looking back it does seem so, and did you mean how I would do the process? I'm by far not the best nor do I think my way is the right way, as long as the part gets completed and no damage it's all the right way but if it were me "by the way I long hand alot of my programs as long as the parts easy but also use cad cam daily as well" but I would do most of the turning and depending on what grooves you wanted even them with a 35 degree vnmg, for a cutoff a .118 "maybe not the best but there's usually that in my turret already, if the face wasn't perfect from initial pass I'd use center drill, then step up through the two sizes "I can't tell but looks like when they feed in it's past the flutes so maybe hang out a bit farther to make sure my chips clear, straight feed if I had coolant through carbide drill no peck, if less quality drill no coolant through I'd use a peck cycle, and small boring bar for the chamfer, if that's what you were also getting besides the center marker on your first z live. Order I would go, face/skim, center, 1st drill, 2nd, tap, rough contour, groove "all with one tool on one tool change, then cutoff, one shoot with each. We're you threading at the front of the part? That's just my process I would do I know there's better ones out there but that's what I would do
Matthew Nulph See that’s more helpful :) All machinists with YT channels get a LOT of comments like “that’s is crap” and no further explanation.
All the drills are coolant through with no pecking. There is plenty of flute clearance because each drill is smaller and starting in the bottom of the previous hole. I was running this mostly dry for the video. You are also correct that the spot drill creates the chamfer on the ID bore. Also, spot drills are for spotting. Center drills are for center drilling. The final tool is a .118 RH parting tool :)
@@PrometheusLights honestly I was just telling someone at work I'd like to make a video of running a brass piece because I absolutely love they way I can break chips, and I agree completely I really don't ever even comment it's not worth it because of those types of people. I feel like no matter how long you have been machining there's always something new to learn and better ways to do them and most of the people who talk Shit I'd be willing to bet just operate or learned things one way and myself I like to always try different ways when I can to either have a better finish, longer lasting tools, faster cycle whatever the case is but there's always room to improve. guess were the unlucky ones who weren't born a perfect machinist like most of the guys on the internet haha
@@beatsmeman You are right on there brother! There is a direct correlation between how much someone thinks they know and what they actually don't ;) In other words, never trust someone who thinks they know everything.
От куда у них деньги не станок?😐
???
Something smashes at 0:45 followed by a OOOWWWWWWW by the machinist...broke something? :-)
Hah, you must be listening on headphones :) I got sprayed by coolant when the tool changed since I had the door open :)
most inefficient programm i've ever seen
Thanks for your insight! I learned a lot.
Actually, although I wouldn't say this program is going to win any efficiency awards its not bad at all when you consider that most of the moves and cuts that seem unnecessary are there to make a drastically better surface finish. This is the first time I've seen someone re-cut threads on youtube, I do that all time when I want a beautiful thread
Yes i think so too it will bring no money if this goes into a serial production
@@85CEKR Thanks for making an effort at actual dialog! There is only one unnecessary cut on the part and this is a quirk of how Haas handles a canned cycle. Since the program is written by hand, I'm stuck with it...but it also doesn't matter :) I come in for a second spring pass on the threads to decrease the amount of manual deburring. Pop quiz for the efficiency haters! What is more "efficient," taking a few seconds deburring the part in-machine or having a human do it manually? ;)
r you Programme r
Канавки в последнюю очередь делать надо!!!
Жаль что многие предприятия не могут позволить себе такие станки, а обрабатывают металл по устаревшим технологиям.
На станках под названием ИЖ, ДИП 300, 500!
Да есть деньги , просто воруют их
Buy a Citizen CNC Sliding head, job done in 25secs
How about this. You BUY me a Citizen and we'll see how fast I can make the part and prove you right? Based on your comment I'm assuming you can afford it. I'd be VERY appreciative! Please send the check for $350,000 USD to the address on our website. I want an L20 with barfeed, LFV, HPC, and chip conveyor. The machine is only about $320K but we have almost 10% sales tax here in California. I'm going to go wait at the mailbox now, so please don't take too long. I didn't bring a jacket.
Maybe you can use less tools in the roughing. There are a lot of people saying shit about the code o programm but I'm grateful with people like you who record these things.
Thanks for your support! All the tools are there for a reason ;)
Чой то?
mengasah peso serut
Hallo bradrs I give in
:)
куча заусенцев после последнего проходного (на канавках) --))
Сразу видно что программу генерировали. Очень много лишних операций. Можно проще написать программу.
Зачем?
@@metelkovpv для увеличения производительности и уменьшения времени изготовления детали. Это не тот случай где через CAM систему нужно писать программу.
Если этого не сделали значит оно им нафиг не надо, а где написана программа на стойке или в каме не важно, всё зависит от наладчика.
@@metelkovpv Согласен. Я просто высказался что программу можно написать проще и по изготовлению будет быстрее. Можно вообще написать так что простая деталь будет обрабатываться 2 часа вместо 5 минут. Только стоимость такой детали будет не 5 рублей а к примеру 1000. И ещё если вы не знали. Наладчик который пишет и в дальнейшем изготавливает деталь сам задаёт стоимость этой детали. Порой важно как написана программа. Прочитайте про Т.М. и про П.З.В. может дойдет до вас.
Я всё это понимаю, читаю я много. Просто мне не понятно, для чего писать комментарий(под иностранным роликом) что можно сделать лучше, при этом не дав никаких рекомендаций. А если нет желания помогать кому то, для чего вообще комментировать?
Too much tool changing. Can't get why are you using a roughing tool first, then a 55° tool, then again a roughing tool to finish the part.
Totally inefficiant in time...
Hey, as a machinist you should know that cycle time is only ONE measure of efficiency. Can you name any others? Maybe ask a machine shop owner ;)
@@PrometheusLights yes i can make other!
The amount and the shape of chip.
Tanta babosada para tan poco
заусенцев с чистовым проходом на канавках только наделал
Good job you are not on time for this the company would go bust . Could have done it in half the time with half the tools .
Thanks for your insight and happy trolling! It's easy to talk, so why don't you show us how to do it better instead? Maybe the rest of us can learn something from you. You are a machinist right?
Stupid Tool choise for the outer cut
Oh good, you are still here trolling. Thanks for not giving up after just one attempt. So fun! Okay, based on your comments, I'm assuming you are an expert machinist. We are blessed to live in a world where it's so easy for people to contribute useful information we can all learn from. Please explain to all the good people here (spare no detail!) about how you would machine this part and what tools you would use. Oh and be sure to let us know what machine you operate and/or what company you work for...or the CNC business that you own. Can't wait to learn so I can become less stupid! Your words, not mine :)
Asc
Движений лишних много.работал бы на сделке без штанов ходил бы.
Быстро , некачественно фуфлово.
Колхоз стайл ненужен.
Eres muy lento
NEVER USE COOLANT ON BRASS
Thanks for your insight! I learned a lot.
@@PrometheusLights Brass is a really crappy material to turn lol. you gotta watch for temperature fluctuations when going in too hard but then again if you cool you ruin your coolant.
@@kik0- Yeah you are right that it fouls the coolant because of oxidation. One one hand, coolant turning blue doesn't really matter. On the other hand, coolant is a consumable and meant to be serviced. This is part of running a machine shop. Slowing down so your part doesn't heat up is "one" strategy, but that doesn't make sense for our production environment. Also, running without coolant will heat up the chuck and spindle because the parts get hot and your final dimensions will also be wrong if you let the part heat up during machining. One of our brass parts we need to hold an ID tolerance of -0.0001/+0.0002 ... so running dry is not an option.
It was like watching porn.....
You don’t have a good strategy
Dear Troll. YOU don't have a good strategy! I can tell that because you didn't suggest one. Go ahead, be specific and help us all learn.
@@PrometheusLights a
What am i watching ._.
Seems like a few pointless operations
We intentionally add in some pointless operations because we want to attract pointless comments.
to many tools
All of that could have been done in 30 seconds lol. Very bad programming and choise of tools.
He calls himself a "maker". This means he has no clue, just does things bragging about them.