I moved to California last year because I had an awesome job offer in San Diego. I literally have never been so disappointed in my life. People's ideal of California is living in picture of Venice beach everyday all day. In reality, it's a city just like every other except the weather is nicer. Palm trees and sandy beaches only hold their value for so long and eventually you settle in and nothing is any different.
You (like most people, I think) probably aren't really taking advantage of all the places you can go and things you can do there; and I did live there for a few years when I was in the Marines. The difference between me and my local friends was that (and this will date me) I kept a copy of Fodor's San Diego (a travel guide book, if you're not as old as me) in the glove box of my car and every weekend I was finding new places with the help of that book and I got to know Southern California better than my local friends, while they'd taken it for granted their whole lives. Now I go out there for vacation and I use Atlas Obscura and I explore like I always did, there are a million amazing things to do and see there! At the most basic level, you've got the ocean, the mountains and the desert all within a couple of hours of each other!! Why don't I live there now? I like to own a decent house and eat better than crackers and cheese whiz every day. LOL
I moved to California from Massachusetts just about 3 years ago. I am still VERY happy about my decision to move! It's just a matter of being grateful for what you have. Once you get perspective of living somewhere where it's too cold 75% of the year, you enjoy every day of sunlight and incredible views.
Changing location to a place that have weather that suits your taste and enables you to live the lifestyle you wanna live could have alot of impact on your happiness.
Thank you for your response. I looked at his bibliography and I found out a wonderful material . I am thinking to start with the book "Thinking, Fast and Slow".
It's actually very amazing here with the mountains and wild life. Plus we're all pretty wealthy because of all the oil,gold and military training here for harsh conditions in the center of Alaska. It's only 65 degrees right now but in the summer down south it can be up to 80. Winter though............... yeah.
I personally suffered from depression my whole life. I was born and currently live in california. I would have to say that ever since I got on drugs to treat it life is much more satisfying. It didn't matter where I was I wasn't a happy person. It has to do with the chemistry of the person in my opinion. Even if I had a decent income it would not have mattered.
I agree with your comment 100 percent... having no purpose and having unnecessary wealth, and being decadent,careless with money will make problems..but if a person has a decent living income they can do a lot to make themselves happy and can be potentially much happier than someone struggling, straining under economic hardship and all its added problems.
it's actually a very deep-seeded part of our evolution to build something or do something meaningful. growth was what caused the first cells to form and the first cells to combine into a multicellular organism (much like how people combine to form an organization). also, i didnt say that doing something productive/meaningful is the only variable in our happiness. that would be ignoring the value of more immediate forms of happiness as well as perspective.
living life in a meaningful way, pursuing goals, etc. are all actions taken to increase happiness. it's impossible to make a move that isnt aimed at increasing your happiness. do you disagree?
The funny thing is giving up on your dreams and not constantly worrying about achieving them constantly, actually opens you up and gives you alot more energy to actually achieve these goals. You have to get to a point where you say "I'll be content with my life in my current state, but if I happen to fulfill my dreams then it will be a nice extra bonus."
yea, and what I am saying is that the government would allocate people to the areas where they can do the best they can after giving them at least a general education. Then after that they would assign whom would do best in what area's, like for instance this entire conversation we are having may make us illegible for low position (maybe over a town or small city) government. Others that they d not see much in would probablly get a farming position or some like a fireman(or woman)/police officer
try thinking about it like this: instead of going to school and such to make money, we do all that to accomplish something with our lives. a large part of our satisfaction as we get older has to do with what we have to show for the time we've spent alive so far. this is an unavoidable concern we all face which has become a part of our aging process thru evolution. yes, perspective has a lot to do with our happiness, but there ARE certain ways we can limit our highest possible amount of happiness
I think you might have missed the point a little... that's not what he meant. The discussion revolved around 'perceived' happiness and satisfaction and 'true' happiness and satisfaction. The California thing was just an example. It was meant to be an example of how people estimate what would make them happier and illustrate that regardless of the outcome their perception was erroneous. Which obviously without the frame of reference of gaining what they want, it will be.
in the last 2 years I've had this desire of at least visiting if not living in a very sunny place like california maybe LA or San Fransisco. Lately I think I might have Seasonal affective disorder or something. I honestly don't feel like slogging through another Canadian Winter.
I'm very happy during Southern California Summer Weather but then I'm terribly depressed in cloudy weather so it might have nothing to do with California
No such thing as "false happiness". If you watched this video, and agreed, you agreed that goals and achieving such goals are the things that bring about happiness. If one's goal is to obtain things (doesn't have to be sports cars and mansions - think outside of the box) then they would become happy once they achieved that goal. So after achieving one goal, then you'd have to desire another goal, and so on.
No, I think a lot of people think "yeah but you need to make money to be happy", because thats what we are raised to believe, "why do i go to school, it doesn't make me happy", "because you can get a better job and earn more money and then be happy". As someone who has taught primary school and secondary school students as an LSA, it is perspective.
I think I am much happier overall after moving from Massachusetts to North Carolina. But that is because I get seasonal affective disorder really bad, so it was kinda just a necessity for me to get out of there. I think someone could also be happier if theres something that they love doing and/or an industry they want to be in but their current location doesn’t support it.
Best place I've ever lived, to date, is in the desert of California: Coachella Valley. Love that place! So beautiful, peaceful, and healing. But you have to be able to handle 110+ temperatures in the summer. That place don't mess around! LOL
ok, but some happiness/sadness is uncontrollable. for ex, it's been programmed into us through evolution to have such a strong desire to do something meaningful with our lives that many people experience an escapable depression, or at least slight sadness, at the end of their unproductive lives. i agree that we can choose the light we view our lives in, but without accomplishing long term goals, for instance, there may be a limit to the amount of satisfaction we can have, dont you think?
no not within them selves but money as an example, gives you the freedom to live your life how you want to live it. and that is certainly something that makes me happy. and money is a great tool for it. it has extrinsic value.
I'd say such programming is actually very recent in our evolution. Most of our ancestors were chiefly interested in survival. Granted there is always some nature/nurture influence but I hardly believe that kind of thing is undeniable. Basing ones happiness on whatever them deem a productive life is a choice and a judgement that I would not make. The illusion of control we think we have in our lives has taught me to roll with the punches and that being generally happy is a better lifestyle.
David Kahneman is an author. You could start by checking his books listed on Amazon. Once you've found an author, look at the bibliography or references in his books/writings and go from there. Amazon's "look inside" functionality may let you see the subject/author index and reference list so that gives you more ideas - see who's work they reference often and chase up their work. Then go to your local library or local university library.
What I'm saying is that without money, there'd be no efficient way to allocate specialization or division of labor. Everyone would have to farm their own food for themselves, unless the government forced you to give them some of their crop. There'd be no way to afforad a trip to Titan- the people who'd execute the trip would be too busy farming.
Well, i live in the UK and it's currently snowing and it's April!!! Smoking weed is also an arrestable offence, we never have sun, all we get is snow,rain and wind. I'm pretty sure moving to Cali would make me happy. I just want to watch the auburn sky as the sun goes down on the hot beach and chill with a bong rip or two.
for someone, whose income is low, an increase by 30% would definitely make him happy, because he would be able to buy more products and do more things in his life. Perhaps, this does not apply 100% for people with big income (e.g. 100K USD/year). If someone takes 130K, that won't change a lot, because with 100K, you can alredy do a lot of things. Of course, a lot depends on our habits too.
Alot of it is indeed involuntary to the person who isn't aware of their current emotional state of happiness and unhappiness. They go through life not really thinking about it. Once you actually take the time to think about and observe your current state of well being can you actually begin to make the changes you need to change your current state of living.
It is also very hard to live without making any kind of money. There is a difference between those who make money and those who need it to sustain themselves. It can be relatively cheap, maybe a couple hundred dollars, to buy the cheapest available ticket out of your country of birth for a few days or weeks. That could be a life experience that requires little monetary gain. Though, you do have a point. It is a lot harder to do this in recent times.
It might be a boring conclusion, but I've always wanted to live a life without any debts. I would like to have a modest place to live, nothing too fancy, and be able to live economically comfortable to the point where I could save a few bucks for myself every month.
The only people who say money does not make you happy don't know how to use it properly. The best way to be happy is having life experiences, but try having one without having to pay for it. Directly or indirectly, we've arrived at a place in time where nothing can be done without any kind of monetary investment.
dude money is not very inportant but what i can do with money is like making corbon nanotube materieal more available is money is an means to an end not the other way around
What if my goal has always been to move to California due to its prolific biotechnology sector jobs and temperature climate (I live in Wisconsin) ? And maybe I'm just a big beach person. Who is this guy to say that won't make me happy?
You completely missed the logic of his presentation if you take personal offense to what he said. In fact, if you listened at all you would realize that in fact that goal WOULD make you happy. You probably should not be working in science if your attention to detail is that poor.
Michael Wazowski What if it's only his social/lingual attention to detail that may need adjusting? As far as I could know the dude might be savant-levels of good at biotech! other than that, good that you told him to pay attention.
Happiness is a perspective which you have to choose. You can base it on whatever personal criteria you like but when it really comes down to it you will never be happy unless you chose to be.
I live in California. Do i automatically succeed? :D :) On a serious note though, his point seems to be, we over exaggerate what makes us happy, and true happiness is meeting goals. But the doesn't analyze the goals. If a goal is bad for you, how would that make you happier? Becoming head of a criminal gang only to get stuck in jail doesn't sound very fulfilling. The goal itself probably matters too.
Money definitely will make a homeless person happy or if you are lonely and stuck in one place with no social life then it can allow one to travel and truly experience life, go to concerts, more freedom, but if you consume yourself with needing more and more it is a burden. The money/happiness equation is all about a balance. I hate it when people tell me it won't buy happiness, because for me, I know that a certain amount could allow me the opportunity for happiness.
No I don't. No amount of money, luxurious lifestyle or convivial company can guarantee happiness with any consistency. It has to be a sincere and core decision to over-ride the burdens of every day life but nothing more than making the choice to be happy is required. Most people just haven't yet made a choice and feel they are at the whim of circumstance, and I suppose to an extent they are but we all chose how we react to every situation.
It's amazing people try to follow advice from gurus and anecdotal evidence and ignore real scientific research. People are still convinced that being rich will make them happy.
My parents moved here when I was in high school, so I pretty much went along for the ride. I have stayed here since, graduated from UCLA (excellent school, and affordable when I attended), and now I work here. Well, until the end of the year, then I move to New York, which is pretty much like all the worst parts of living in Canada and the USA combined. Awful climate combined with awful society.
it almost seems like he is saying: don't aim too high, aim for average so that if you fail you won't hate yourself forever.. which is not too bad of an advice, but it doesn't sound very ambitious now does it? (in the mean wile all the asians are closing in from the east, and the europeans are only just done fighting) clock is ticking! btw i'm still thinking about moving to cali!
Toisio scott adams has a good take on goals in his book "how to fail at almost everything and still win big" he says goal are for losers and offers a better alternative. check it out!!
Me too; I like in Florida. I just wish I had $10K for a nice van and travel/living expenses to go to Cali or somewhere warm that weed is legal and sleep in my van like a happy hippy.
No. (put simply) People would still farm, and people would find far better ways to farm with all of the time freed up to actually do research into creating better food stocks/land/and improving current atmospheric conditions. So food supply's would sharply increase. Also, if money is the ONLY thing that drives you, YOU are worse off then all other beings on this earth. Yes the government would have to step in, but the motivation would be there for people to help society, and not themselves.
A 18 year old doesn't need a lot of money, because he has a family suport, which can feed, educate him, etc. And because he doesn't have his own family yet, so thre is no need for more money. On the other side, at 45, you understand more things, you have family, so eventually you have more needs or goals, as the speaker says. A lot of these needs, need money to get satisfied.
I have to say though, that for most videos on RUclips, the amount of dislikes is comparatively so tiny, that they're not worth mentioning (drawing attention to). I'd rather people just didn't perceive the glass half empty/soiled, when it's %99.5 full.
Yes but, you need to have enough $ to meet your goals- if you want to get good at guitar you need to be able to afford guitar & strings, picks and repair fees etc.You need to have enough $ for lessons, you need to have $ for software & books, you need to have enough $ to afford a living environment where you can practice in peace, & you also need to afford time which people do not have working their ungratifying regular jobs, $ helps. Lets end extreme wealth & distribute $ more fairly.
I disagree with his statement that by thinking about anything we exaggerate its importance. That's just false. We underestimate almost everything's importance every second of every day.
I've lived in a lot of places, and the creepiest, ugliest, most Armpit Of The Universe place I have ever found is Long Beach, suburb of Los Angeles, in southern California. It's the people there that make it that way, not the place itself.
I live in California, and let me tell you if you are looking for happiness, living here isn't exactly going to help that. But yes, the weather here rocks.
The follow up question is: Will moving away from California make you unhappy? Or in the context of Kahneman's data: while becoming richer may not make one happier, will becoming poorer than ones pre-existing reference point make them less happy?
hope i got the quote right "nothing is quite as important as you think it is while your thinking about it. the mere act of thinking about it makes it more important than it's going to be." i hope we can touch minds without insult or anger. NOBEL PRIZE WINNING PSYCHOLOGIST is this important and can you admit you failed to see this in yourself. i'd really like to talk with you. slayerwulfe cave
What...people would just donate their time to go to titan, rather than to dirt-farming so they could have enough food to get through winter (since you can't BUY food anymore, and people have no motivation to just give it to you). Money and capitalism allows for the most efficient allocation of resources ever, and facilitates an efficient division of labor.
There are three brothers, one says money means nothing more than sustenance to him and he has little to no interest in pursing it. Later in life he doesn't have a lot of money, but that's okay because he never had goals of grand economic status. Then on the flip side, the other two brothers both wanted to amass great fortunes. One did, and he was both happy and satisfied because he attained his goal. The other wealth desiring bro did not achieve his goals, and now he's pissed.
your mind is made of the matter that makes up the universe, your mind reflects the potential of the universe if you can think it it can be done. please research for yourself (The measurement problem and the copenhagen interpretation)
It might surprise you to know that the countries that have the lowest quality of living have some of the happiest people. This has nothing to do with mental illness. Overall happiness is a choice we all have to make for ourselves.
Hold on there Kahneman, you say goal setting is important and as evidence of that you say that people who fulfill things they want at 18 and 45 are happier. Couldn't that simply reflect innate desires, that some people innately care more about money/influence/fame for example and thus report caring about it more both at 18 and 45? So it's not necessarily got anything to do with goal-setting just with doing what you want.
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I moved to California last year because I had an awesome job offer in San Diego. I literally have never been so disappointed in my life. People's ideal of California is living in picture of Venice beach everyday all day. In reality, it's a city just like every other except the weather is nicer. Palm trees and sandy beaches only hold their value for so long and eventually you settle in and nothing is any different.
You (like most people, I think) probably aren't really taking advantage of all the places you can go and things you can do there; and I did live there for a few years when I was in the Marines. The difference between me and my local friends was that (and this will date me) I kept a copy of Fodor's San Diego (a travel guide book, if you're not as old as me) in the glove box of my car and every weekend I was finding new places with the help of that book and I got to know Southern California better than my local friends, while they'd taken it for granted their whole lives. Now I go out there for vacation and I use Atlas Obscura and I explore like I always did, there are a million amazing things to do and see there! At the most basic level, you've got the ocean, the mountains and the desert all within a couple of hours of each other!! Why don't I live there now? I like to own a decent house and eat better than crackers and cheese whiz every day. LOL
Three elemants to happiness 1/ Something to do. 2/ Something to look forward to. 3/ Someone to love,
I moved to California from Massachusetts just about 3 years ago. I am still VERY happy about my decision to move! It's just a matter of being grateful for what you have. Once you get perspective of living somewhere where it's too cold 75% of the year, you enjoy every day of sunlight and incredible views.
Changing location to a place that have weather that suits your taste and enables you to live the lifestyle you wanna live could have alot of impact on your happiness.
Thank you for your response. I looked at his bibliography and I found out a wonderful material . I am thinking to start with the book "Thinking, Fast and Slow".
It's actually very amazing here with the mountains and wild life. Plus we're all pretty wealthy because of all the oil,gold and military training here for harsh conditions in the center of Alaska. It's only 65 degrees right now but in the summer down south it can be up to 80.
Winter though............... yeah.
Ive lived there! You are way happier there than anywhere else in the US except Hawaii!
You don't want to strive for happiness. You want to live your life in a way that is meaningful, pursue your goals, and happiness will come by itself.
I personally suffered from depression my whole life. I was born and currently live in california. I would have to say that ever since I got on drugs to treat it life is much more satisfying. It didn't matter where I was I wasn't a happy person. It has to do with the chemistry of the person in my opinion. Even if I had a decent income it would not have mattered.
I agree with your comment 100 percent... having no purpose and having unnecessary wealth, and being decadent,careless with money will make problems..but if a person has a decent living income they can do a lot to make themselves happy and can be potentially much happier than someone struggling, straining under economic hardship and all its added problems.
it's actually a very deep-seeded part of our evolution to build something or do something meaningful. growth was what caused the first cells to form and the first cells to combine into a multicellular organism (much like how people combine to form an organization). also, i didnt say that doing something productive/meaningful is the only variable in our happiness. that would be ignoring the value of more immediate forms of happiness as well as perspective.
living life in a meaningful way, pursuing goals, etc. are all actions taken to increase happiness. it's impossible to make a move that isnt aimed at increasing your happiness. do you disagree?
The funny thing is giving up on your dreams and not constantly worrying about achieving them constantly, actually opens you up and gives you alot more energy to actually achieve these goals. You have to get to a point where you say "I'll be content with my life in my current state, but if I happen to fulfill my dreams then it will be a nice extra bonus."
yea, and what I am saying is that the government would allocate people to the areas where they can do the best they can after giving them at least a general education. Then after that they would assign whom would do best in what area's, like for instance this entire conversation we are having may make us illegible for low position (maybe over a town or small city) government. Others that they d not see much in would probablly get a farming position or some like a fireman(or woman)/police officer
try thinking about it like this: instead of going to school and such to make money, we do all that to accomplish something with our lives. a large part of our satisfaction as we get older has to do with what we have to show for the time we've spent alive so far. this is an unavoidable concern we all face which has become a part of our aging process thru evolution. yes, perspective has a lot to do with our happiness, but there ARE certain ways we can limit our highest possible amount of happiness
I think you might have missed the point a little... that's not what he meant.
The discussion revolved around 'perceived' happiness and satisfaction and 'true' happiness and satisfaction. The California thing was just an example. It was meant to be an example of how people estimate what would make them happier and illustrate that regardless of the outcome their perception was erroneous.
Which obviously without the frame of reference of gaining what they want, it will be.
It's really nice that you guys started adding subtitles and transcripts.
in the last 2 years I've had this desire of at least visiting if not living in a very sunny place like california maybe LA or San Fransisco. Lately I think I might have Seasonal affective disorder or something. I honestly don't feel like slogging through another Canadian Winter.
I'm very happy during Southern California Summer Weather
but then I'm terribly depressed in cloudy weather so it might have nothing to do with California
No such thing as "false happiness".
If you watched this video, and agreed, you agreed that goals and achieving such goals are the things that bring about happiness. If one's goal is to obtain things (doesn't have to be sports cars and mansions - think outside of the box) then they would become happy once they achieved that goal.
So after achieving one goal, then you'd have to desire another goal, and so on.
I agree, having a goal and working towards achieving that goal has a lot to do with happiness.
No, I think a lot of people think "yeah but you need to make money to be happy", because thats what we are raised to believe, "why do i go to school, it doesn't make me happy", "because you can get a better job and earn more money and then be happy". As someone who has taught primary school and secondary school students as an LSA, it is perspective.
I think I am much happier overall after moving from Massachusetts to North Carolina. But that is because I get seasonal affective disorder really bad, so it was kinda just a necessity for me to get out of there. I think someone could also be happier if theres something that they love doing and/or an industry they want to be in but their current location doesn’t support it.
Best place I've ever lived, to date, is in the desert of California: Coachella Valley. Love that place! So beautiful, peaceful, and healing. But you have to be able to handle 110+ temperatures in the summer. That place don't mess around! LOL
ok, but some happiness/sadness is uncontrollable. for ex, it's been programmed into us through evolution to have such a strong desire to do something meaningful with our lives that many people experience an escapable depression, or at least slight sadness, at the end of their unproductive lives. i agree that we can choose the light we view our lives in, but without accomplishing long term goals, for instance, there may be a limit to the amount of satisfaction we can have, dont you think?
Move to LA 4 years ago. I am very very happy. But Cali was the place for me. You have to find the Place for you if you aren't happy where you are.
How can I learn more about this subject ? Do someone have a suggestion?
no not within them selves but money as an example, gives you the freedom to live your life how you want to live it. and that is certainly something that makes me happy. and money is a great tool for it. it has extrinsic value.
I'd say such programming is actually very recent in our evolution. Most of our ancestors were chiefly interested in survival. Granted there is always some nature/nurture influence but I hardly believe that kind of thing is undeniable. Basing ones happiness on whatever them deem a productive life is a choice and a judgement that I would not make. The illusion of control we think we have in our lives has taught me to roll with the punches and that being generally happy is a better lifestyle.
Cost of living vs wages. Community colleges cutting classes. Lack of seasons (miss the rain and fall). Finding a decent job. etc.
David Kahneman is an author. You could start by checking his books listed on Amazon.
Once you've found an author, look at the bibliography or references in his books/writings and go from there.
Amazon's "look inside" functionality may let you see the subject/author index and reference list so that gives you more ideas - see who's work they reference often and chase up their work. Then go to your local library or local university library.
What I'm saying is that without money, there'd be no efficient way to allocate specialization or division of labor. Everyone would have to farm their own food for themselves, unless the government forced you to give them some of their crop. There'd be no way to afforad a trip to Titan- the people who'd execute the trip would be too busy farming.
Well, i live in the UK and it's currently snowing and it's April!!! Smoking weed is also an arrestable offence, we never have sun, all we get is snow,rain and wind. I'm pretty sure moving to Cali would make me happy. I just want to watch the auburn sky as the sun goes down on the hot beach and chill with a bong rip or two.
for someone, whose income is low, an increase by 30% would definitely make him happy, because he would be able to buy more products and do more things in his life. Perhaps, this does not apply 100% for people with big income (e.g. 100K USD/year). If someone takes 130K, that won't change a lot, because with 100K, you can alredy do a lot of things. Of course, a lot depends on our habits too.
Alot of it is indeed involuntary to the person who isn't aware of their current emotional state of happiness and unhappiness. They go through life not really thinking about it. Once you actually take the time to think about and observe your current state of well being can you actually begin to make the changes you need to change your current state of living.
It is also very hard to live without making any kind of money. There is a difference between those who make money and those who need it to sustain themselves. It can be relatively cheap, maybe a couple hundred dollars, to buy the cheapest available ticket out of your country of birth for a few days or weeks. That could be a life experience that requires little monetary gain.
Though, you do have a point. It is a lot harder to do this in recent times.
It might be a boring conclusion, but I've always wanted to live a life without any debts. I would like to have a modest place to live, nothing too fancy, and be able to live economically comfortable to the point where I could save a few bucks for myself every month.
Would a career in neuroeconomics research be something that make someone satisfied or rather happy ?
The only people who say money does not make you happy don't know how to use it properly. The best way to be happy is having life experiences, but try having one without having to pay for it. Directly or indirectly, we've arrived at a place in time where nothing can be done without any kind of monetary investment.
dude money is not very inportant but what i can do with money is like making corbon nanotube materieal more available is money is an means to an end not the other way around
true happiness isnt as easy as just "coming from within"
What if my goal has always been to move to California due to its prolific biotechnology sector jobs and temperature climate (I live in Wisconsin) ? And maybe I'm just a big beach person. Who is this guy to say that won't make me happy?
You completely missed the logic of his presentation if you take personal offense to what he said.
In fact, if you listened at all you would realize that in fact that goal WOULD make you happy.
You probably should not be working in science if your attention to detail is that poor.
Michael Wazowski
What if it's only his social/lingual attention to detail that may need adjusting?
As far as I could know the dude might be savant-levels of good at biotech!
other than that, good that you told him to pay attention.
So you just like to hear what their thoughts about it?
But an essential tool. You at least need enough for rent, food, utilities, etc.
You need some money, just not excessive amounts.
Your income increases 30% but your expenses increase 40%, not a good investment.
Yeah tell me about it, as soon as I'm out of school I'm leaving this cold, dark, place called Alaska.
Hope you are out now :D
It is better than where i live now, that is for sure.
Happiness is a perspective which you have to choose. You can base it on whatever personal criteria you like but when it really comes down to it you will never be happy unless you chose to be.
Money is both an asset and a necessity, depends on how it's used. imo.
I live in California. Do i automatically succeed? :D :)
On a serious note though, his point seems to be, we over exaggerate what makes us happy, and true happiness is meeting goals.
But the doesn't analyze the goals. If a goal is bad for you, how would that make you happier?
Becoming head of a criminal gang only to get stuck in jail doesn't sound very fulfilling.
The goal itself probably matters too.
Money definitely will make a homeless person happy or if you are lonely and stuck in one place with no social life then it can allow one to travel and truly experience life, go to concerts, more freedom, but if you consume yourself with needing more and more it is a burden. The money/happiness equation is all about a balance. I hate it when people tell me it won't buy happiness, because for me, I know that a certain amount could allow me the opportunity for happiness.
No I don't. No amount of money, luxurious lifestyle or convivial company can guarantee happiness with any consistency. It has to be a sincere and core decision to over-ride the burdens of every day life but nothing more than making the choice to be happy is required. Most people just haven't yet made a choice and feel they are at the whim of circumstance, and I suppose to an extent they are but we all chose how we react to every situation.
It's amazing people try to follow advice from gurus and anecdotal evidence and ignore real scientific research. People are still convinced that being rich will make them happy.
you dont think there's a little more strategy involved in increasing your happiness than just deciding to be happier?
The strength of your dreaming
Prevents you from reason
The American dream
Only makes sense if you're sleeping
What about Vermont? I've heard good things about Vermont...
He's right. Physical things can't bring true happiness. As cliche as it sounds, that has to come from within.
We have terrible pollution in our air, especially in the Los Angeles area, I'd stay where you are.
Is the weather great everyday?
My parents moved here when I was in high school, so I pretty much went along for the ride. I have stayed here since, graduated from UCLA (excellent school, and affordable when I attended), and now I work here. Well, until the end of the year, then I move to New York, which is pretty much like all the worst parts of living in Canada and the USA combined. Awful climate combined with awful society.
it almost seems like he is saying: don't aim too high, aim for average so that if you fail you won't hate yourself forever..
which is not too bad of an advice, but it doesn't sound very ambitious now does it?
(in the mean wile all the asians are closing in from the east, and the europeans are only just done fighting) clock is ticking!
btw i'm still thinking about moving to cali!
Toisio scott adams has a good take on goals in his book "how to fail at almost everything and still win big" he says goal are for losers and offers a better alternative. check it out!!
He's talking about false perceptions we deceive ourselves with, not aiming for a goal specifically.
Me too; I like in Florida. I just wish I had $10K for a nice van and travel/living expenses to go to Cali or somewhere warm that weed is legal and sleep in my van like a happy hippy.
No. (put simply)
People would still farm, and people would find far better ways to farm with all of the time freed up to actually do research into creating better food stocks/land/and improving current atmospheric conditions. So food supply's would sharply increase. Also, if money is the ONLY thing that drives you, YOU are worse off then all other beings on this earth. Yes the government would have to step in, but the motivation would be there for people to help society, and not themselves.
I could listen to him all day.
A 18 year old doesn't need a lot of money, because he has a family suport, which can feed, educate him, etc. And because he doesn't have his own family yet, so thre is no need for more money.
On the other side, at 45, you understand more things, you have family, so eventually you have more needs or goals, as the speaker says. A lot of these needs, need money to get satisfied.
I have to say though, that for most videos on RUclips, the amount of dislikes is comparatively so tiny, that they're not worth mentioning (drawing attention to).
I'd rather people just didn't perceive the glass half empty/soiled, when it's %99.5 full.
Yes but, you need to have enough $ to meet your goals- if you want to get good at guitar you need to be able to afford guitar & strings, picks and repair fees etc.You need to have enough $ for lessons, you need to have $ for software & books, you need to have enough $ to afford a living environment where you can practice in peace, & you also need to afford time which people do not have working their ungratifying regular jobs, $ helps. Lets end extreme wealth & distribute $ more fairly.
Watching this video during lockdown.
Fuck this i am still moving to Cali. His opinion on happiness isn't the same as mine. Plus it is great shoe weather.
Nope, you misunderstood. Set "realistic goals" is what he's implying in my opinion.
That was my third favorite song off of "Zoso".
I live in California and I hate it here, going to move to Tampa, Florida in a month or so, YA!!
I'm Canadian, living in California. You have no idea how many Canadians are down here, it's kind of funny.
I disagree with his statement that by thinking about anything we exaggerate its importance. That's just false. We underestimate almost everything's importance every second of every day.
I've lived in a lot of places, and the creepiest, ugliest, most Armpit Of The Universe place I have ever found is Long Beach, suburb of Los Angeles, in southern California. It's the people there that make it that way, not the place itself.
my dad told me yesterday were gonna move to California soon
Speaking as a person born and raised in California, I'll agree moving to California won't make you happy. We have enough people here as it is.
I live in California, and let me tell you if you are looking for happiness, living here isn't exactly going to help that. But yes, the weather here rocks.
Did he say a 30% pay increase would not make people happier?
The follow up question is: Will moving away from California make you unhappy? Or in the context of Kahneman's data: while becoming richer may not make one happier, will becoming poorer than ones pre-existing reference point make them less happy?
He just contradicted himself. What if someone had the goal to move to California? Would they be happier living there? Absolutely.
So what he is saying is don't set any goals and you will be more satisfied about your life?
hope i got the quote right "nothing is quite as important as you think it is while your thinking about it. the mere act of thinking about it makes it more important than it's going to be." i hope we can touch minds without insult or anger. NOBEL PRIZE WINNING PSYCHOLOGIST
is this important and can you admit you failed to see this in yourself. i'd really like to talk with you. slayerwulfe cave
What...people would just donate their time to go to titan, rather than to dirt-farming so they could have enough food to get through winter (since you can't BUY food anymore, and people have no motivation to just give it to you). Money and capitalism allows for the most efficient allocation of resources ever, and facilitates an efficient division of labor.
I've lived in so.cal all my life and I want out! I'm going to subject myself to happiness in place without cars and idiots.
So basically set really low goals for yourself and you'll never be disappointed
He's still bummed Amos went to Stanford and he was relegated to UBC
Linearization and inspiration
yea, its pretty cool
The cost of living is high because people want to live here. There's a good reason why the midwest is cheap, it f-ing blows.
Intelligence without ambition is a bird without wings.
There are three brothers, one says money means nothing more than sustenance to him and he has little to no interest in pursing it. Later in life he doesn't have a lot of money, but that's okay because he never had goals of grand economic status. Then on the flip side, the other two brothers both wanted to amass great fortunes. One did, and he was both happy and satisfied because he attained his goal. The other wealth desiring bro did not achieve his goals, and now he's pissed.
your mind is made of the matter that makes up the universe, your mind reflects the potential of the universe if you can think it it can be done. please research for yourself (The measurement problem and the copenhagen interpretation)
It might surprise you to know that the countries that have the lowest quality of living have some of the happiest people. This has nothing to do with mental illness. Overall happiness is a choice we all have to make for ourselves.
yea, but some stuff i like too
My goal is to stay in California.
Or move to Hawaii. Hell, maybe I should move to Costa Rica, then being unemployed would barely matter.
I am from NJ and i would be alot less happy if i lived in California
well i like all their stuff
Hold on there Kahneman, you say goal setting is important and as evidence of that you say that people who fulfill things they want at 18 and 45 are happier. Couldn't that simply reflect innate desires, that some people innately care more about money/influence/fame for example and thus report caring about it more both at 18 and 45? So it's not necessarily got anything to do with goal-setting just with doing what you want.
Unless obtaining material things is your one true passion and goal in life. Then it would bring happiness.