I worked as a Correctional Officer in a maximum security prison and I learned early on that a lot of the inmates were children in adult bodies and that's a dangerous thing.
@DreamsAreLies I dont know if actually read his comment. He says correctional officer(just I assume the auto correct put it as office), to not understand his post makes me suspicious.
I had a professor in grad school. He also taught academics at a penitentiary. He also said many convicts were just like children in adult bodies. They could never accept responsibility for their actions but could always call out when they’ve been wronged and they are the victims.
@@trsk9967 Nihilistic? Definitely immature. Lacking self awareness. Look in the mirror. See what is in yourself that has brought you to the point of "every woman". It is impossible, "every woman, ever". I hope you are able to get past this. No doubt, women can be awful, despicable human beings. Make personal changes. You can do this, it is worth it. Seek other men who do not allow you to continue to avoid personal responsibility for failure in your relationships. Choose differently. Your life will change, you are worth the effort, and the results. All men are so valuable, society needs you all. No matter what the toxic feminists say. All men, no matter size, shape, intellect, income, etc. Bc, "all" is not even possible. I pray you find great success and joy in your life, and an amazing woman to share that joy with.
That would include all of the wrongfully convicted; your hero the 'professor' was an idiotic simpleton - a sure sign of immaturity. From his ivory tower to reality : 'Cops Tased Autistic Son - After Making Him Participate in Father's Arrest! (then lied about it)' Civil Rights Lawyer John H. Bryan
@@vickyCA1643 That's assuming the parents themselves actually have good values and morals, the problem is many of the children that are growing up right now without those things will eventually become parents of the next generation and won't be able to teach their children the right things if they never learned it themselves. I had pretty decent parents when it came to morals in terms of what things you should or shouldn't do, but in terms of values I had to learn everything myself through self reflection, reading books, people like Jordan etc. and most of it ended up being how to not be like my parents. For example I decided you need to have a meaningful life and to help others, make the world better. My parents were nice people but only cared about themselves (and me), didn't care what happened to other people in the world they didn't know, thought that's not their problem and that life is just about being happy yourself)
Maturity occurs a different ages for people. I would say I obtained maturity at age 40. I tell folks I did not become a grown ass man until age 40. When we learn the world does not revolve around self and escape that buble and learn our real job in life is to serve others and take joy in it. I would say that is maturity.
I would make one change: (to me) life is about serving those who love you, depend on you, or are otherwise worthy of respect. This distinction is why I cant be a Christian (that and I don't believe in the afterlife).
Both of my parents were extremely stunted and very immature and it was challenging to survive to adulthood! Once an adult however, I married a very immature man and created a continuation of my absent childhood. I am close to being divorced just as long as I was married and I am so thankful to be a survivor and have raised three beautiful and capable daughters. I had fear that they would follow in my footsteps but recovery skills and a foundation in Christ have broken those chains! I just love JP! 🙏🏽❤️🙏🏽
Jesus definitely lights the way after abusive toxic relationships. My father was a narcissistic man and I went out and found a narcissist as a partner. Unfortunately we realise after the fact and have to rebuild our lives. I enjoyed reading your post because the truth is, having abusive backgrounds we could have gone out and done the same. But we didn’t. And thats something to get joyful about. God bless.
This man has over 8 million subscribers. I'm grateful that Dr Peterson has that much visibility. As a psychology buff myself, I never dreamt that one day a psychologist would be an influencer in our culture. Props to you, and so proud to be Canadian 💜💜💜
@natalieharvey5631 truth stays with God not with number of subscribers. Many people believed at a time that Earth was flat, center of the Universe and Titanic was unsinkable ..they were all mistaken..🤔 Rev.M
@Machoman50ta ???🤔🤷♀️...are you ok? Do people who genuinely believe in God (Jesus and Virgin Mary), need a gun? Did Jesus ever talk about violence being a solution for life situations?🤔💯
Andrew tate has no deficiencies when it comes to this down-play on immoral narcissistic men they mention, tate is a strong provider for his family and shows great maturity in his masculine qualities
It is a modern phenonema tho. Partially because kindergarten where only women job almost and it is an unfit environment for maturity. Then we have kids not taking much real life repsonsibility because of school. Then we have many not getting kids, if any, at 30+. Getting a kid make most people mature.
When you’ve been in a relationship with a narcissist - that’s one of the first things you notice about them - their immaturity. It’s quite astonishing at times. The confusion they experience when you try to explain this to them is met with the strongest form of verbal defence spiralling into deflection and projection. You just have to give up and walk away, because who wants to deal with a person who can’t take any form of criticism and lives in their own little fairytale.
They have to desperately maintain that fairy tale or their artificial world falls apart. Of course if that happened they would have to grow up. That is just not allowed. They cling to their mental illness. I think all of the personality disorders are like that.
Sounds like your looking for validation of your narrative in a YT comments section. Two sides to every story, right? Sorry if my observation offends, it just irks me how that N word is thrown around so much these days. The word has become a tool of social warfare.
@ why would I be offended? It was my choice to share my experience, and your comment is your opinion. I’m ok with that. That’s what a comment section is all about.
@@KayLeb-dj4mz Every person has the aspects of personality disorders in themselves. Healthy people suppress or control unproductive aspects of their personality as they grow up and learn to function. If one is unable to become a happy and productive person, it becomes a disorder. It is generally apparent to others but not to themselves. Validation has little to do with it.
@freshdew4153 how interesting to observe this. Your reply sounds like a healthy perspective to me, at first glance. So why then did you report the comment and get it removed? It was only made a matter of hours ago. You had to @ '@why would I be offended'. Makes me wonder if your all for show. The garrulous explanations, the manicured image, the manipulation of the report function then making what appears to be a machiavellian comment, the dishonesty. You do know what this looks like right?! Classic. I think I was right. You are looking for validation of a one sided narrative in a YT comments section. I will add, I nw suspect what you ascribe to your ex-partner in your OP, is you projecting a great deal of your own tendencies.
I call it perpetual adolescence. I've known so many men and women in my life who grew up into their forties & 50s + but their mind stayed locked probably around 25 years old . I've seen them exhibits so many levels of maturity and so many other different levels of immaturity!
Sure, but that's 99% of humans. There's no need to label most people's experience a pejorative. Once you realize how stupid 100 IQ (the average) is, you'll be impressed with how well functioning modern complex society is, given the number of buffoons running around.
The actual definition of “alpha male” is very different than what Andrew Tate promotes. It has nothing to do with sleeping with multiple woman and everything to do with leadership qualities
My uncle served in ww2, pastored for over fifty years, married to the same woman for over 60 years, wonderful father, loving human being and role model for all of us. He was the definition of an alpha male. Andrew Tate is the opposite of that. Edited to say if acknowledging a great man like my uncle triggers you then you should get some therapy to see why you have such an inferiority complex. Lions don’t have to tell a sheep they are a lion 😘
Great u just proved why andrew tate is becoming more famous with young men because of women like u. Just keep quiet and I bet u don't even have a husband aswell. Stop adding to the confusion because this is what u think it is. I bet ur emasculating young men as we speak
Nope. Your Uncle was by definition a beta male and that's okay because in order to have a technologically advanced society you need a large number of highly intelligent and cooperative males. What you people don't get is that you hafta either ang men like Tate or make them king. There is no middle ground.
@@willhelmberkly3025 you’re clearly someone who has an obvious intelligence and critical thinking deficiency. I’m sorry. We can’t all be amazing people like my uncle.
This is almost laughable.Due to tech & feminism among other symptoms of a decadent society we have degenerated greatly since the 1940's.May I remind you there was a war going on which was mainly fought by men. Andrew Tate represents the backlash against women blaming men for all their problems.
Emotional immaturity can cause harm not only to the individual but also to those around them, as it leads to unhealthy behavior patterns and poor communication
Narcissists don't take responsibility for their own actions and blame others fof their own stupidity ...forever children...spoiled and selfish...and dangerous
Takes much more than that to be a narcissist. People don't realize that you can be lying cheating butt hole, and still not be a narcissist. The word has been taken down from its proper place and beaten to death by regular people, just like the term "gas lighting." most people who claim to have been gaslit haven't even come mildly close to it.
My father is 100%… tough growing up with a 35 year old man that smacked a 10 year old when he got upset most of the time I didn’t even know why I got smacked.
I’m an addict and thanks to JP have been getting my act together and making videos for my RUclips channel. I can say this goes for addicts too, we are like children in adult bodies. That’s why it’s so hard for loved ones to help us because we need to be treated like a toddler and have our toys taken away and grounded to stop
This video dives deep into such a profound and precise understanding of male development. The way Dr. Campbell explains narcissism as prolonged immaturity really helps layer the complexities of personality development in a visual and relatable way. The distinctions made between narcissism and dependence, and how they manifest at different stages, hit the mark. It's fascinating how these insights can change the way we see 'alpha' behavior as more of an immature phase than genuine leadership. This breakdown gives such clarity on how personal growth evolves, especially in men, and how crucial socialization is during those formative years. Absolutely loved the depth and the precision with which this information was shared!
The most underrated comment about the reality of alpha males. I found it true in my real life where I was surrounded by a bunch of toxic who called themselves “alpha” and it turned out clearly that they’re not.
Narcissism or bullyism knows no gender. It can occur on either side as far as I have witnessed. I dealt with personal narcissistic traits from my adolescence and I continue to peel back the onion so to speak. Having reciprocal relationships with a diversity of perceptions helps to better understand the importance of connecting subjectivism with objectivism. Formulating moral values and upholding oneself to these values and not allowing others to violate these boundaries within ones own realm but not other people's realms is crucial. Men and women are absolutely capable of wanting to manipulate and violate other people's moral boundaries in an effort to gain power and control. Some of these individuals take delight in doing so. Also some of these individuals will cry wolf if they feel they are not getting their way, and they have learned to be persuasive enough to trick foolish people into thinking they are righteous when in fact they are not. To defeat, this kind of personality is to be very consistent with defending personal boundaries of morality without becoming the tyrant and lashing out. Being stoic and having patience and understanding that these things take time to resolve and taking joy in not losing ones own shit as it helps to build character is a great way to resolve these conflicts with others who may or may not be narcissists. I will cut them out of my life if need be. But first I have to cut it out of myself, over and over again until I am confident is gone.
The allure of guys like Andrew Tate has a lot to do with the way that masculinity has been denigrated in our culture. When boys and young men are constantly told that masculinity is inherently toxic, much of the reflexive pushback would be to gravitate to the rebels on the opposing end.
If the mass media take away all male role models, they can't control what role models that boys will turn to - the last positive male role model that I can think of was Uncle Phil from the fresh prince, that was 30 years ago. Since then, all men are portrayed as evil or stupid clowns.
@@allisnotwhatitseems. I'm not a fan of Tate; I really don't know enough about him to say that he's a good or bad person, but on facebook there was a thread about him, and all his haters could do was body shame him - ironic because his haters are left-wing, and usually call out such behaviour.
You will always be presented to a spectrum of choices in life, that you have free will to navigate through. You will constantly be surprised in moments where you were curious and it turned out to be a traumatic event (or positive), which you learn about the term "temptation", which is a similar feeling, but leads to different outcomes. Which then calibrates your actions to narrow in further (in the golden area). Humble in expectations for your ceiling (your own limits) and thorough understanding of consequences is a great way for humans to navigate. That's why when children are young, less aggressive and less traumatic, its important to teach them and pass on the morals. You don't want to restrict your children until they are adults, because they will have no idea of this calibration of behaviors and have no bounds to which direction they are going.
I have had some experience with what I would label as narcissism in my family, probably to some extent in myself and have struggled a lot against that type of mentality. It has taken me a long time but slowly I’ve come to understand it better I think. From the little I read a long time ago narcissism is basically the result of a personality configuration that is created when an individual constantly experiences some type of narcissistic wound which is too much for them to overcome at that time or by themselves. Like any personality disturbance the most damage seems to be done the easiest at the youngest time in one’s life. However I think the key window was 4-6. If the child is unable to process that wound at the time (which probably involves a crippling sense of shame) then they are at risk of growing around it and hiding behind a ‘false self’. I have no idea why it’s so common in men although some experts on the topic say that the correlate in women is borderline personality so it might just be a different manifestation. Everyone has narcissistic wounds or things that get under their skin because they remind them of some experience that wasn’t fully processed, so in that way everyone can act narcissistically.The difference for those with Narcissistic Personality Disorder is that a substantial portion of their self-image falls under threat for seemingly minor things, too many to properly function (in the long run). So they are basically always plugging holes on the sinking ship that is their self-image. Ideally a person would have 1 or 2 small leaks but the narcissist instead is constantly mcgivering their self with patchwork and duct tape. Without the early mirroring, understanding and acceptance of a caregiver to give the child a chance to gather the ‘materials’ to ‘properly build their ship’ they sail on haphazardly repurposing parts of themselves that would otherwise grow into the high level tasks like steering and captaining the ship and relegating those faculties to the most urgent need ‘not sinking’. I think there have been studies done on Pro-athletes and some very successful entrepreneurs and business people, the ones that are never satisfied and also homeless and drug addicted people living day to day which have found surprising similarities between the two. That constant gnawing fear and drive veering on the psychopathic is present in both. It’s the level of functioning that is different. With a society that has pushed mothers who should have an instinctual and genetic edge in understanding their own children and who care for them like one else can in the world away and into the workforce aswell as having a society that values personal success to an obsessive degree is it any surprise that the result would be more and more people on both extremes. Those who made it and can now finally be loved and cared for and understood ( even though it won’t be enough) and those who didn’t supposedly because they didn’t try hard enough, as if loving yourself ( in the best way possible) is something that anyone could or should possibly earn. Anyways what do I know I’m just a dummy who works in a warehouse. This stuff did take years off my life though almost didn’t make it. Best sources I’ve found for Narcissism are Dr. Sam Vaknin (A diagnosed narcissist actually) And recently Dr. Mark Ettensohn The substrate of love on which we live comes from God. Placing our attention on the proper things to the proper extent is tantamount to love. Is it any surprise that people would fail to reach that goal fallen as we are, that is a sin which we are all guilty of.
I'm not downplaying your excellent summary and advice, but in my humble opinion: Mark Ettensohn is a councilor FOR narcissists, not the victims thereof. He is misleading people by implying that narcissistic behavior can be cured easily. It cannot and there are not even a single 'cured narcissist' that I'm aware of. Sam Vaknin shows more traits of narcissism himself, than some of my patients. If any, I would recommend Richard Grannon or Dr Peterson. I recommend people to stay far away from Sam Vaknin. A very dark character to say the least.
I just watched a recent clip of the Conservative lawyer questioning Trudeau in the foreign interference investigation. Trudeau displayed this "manchild" immaturity!!
He is not. As a person no. He has a lot of great qualities but he doesn't speak on a variety of issues. He puts out good stuff most of the but do not aspire to be like him
I recently had a very painful experience with a person who would first lead a normal relationship with me, but then suddenly she became extremely selfish, careless and narcissistic. I thought she was being a narcissist because of the behaviors, but I also realized that she was immature at the same time, and not necessarily a bad person. I couldn't shake the thought that it's natural for children to be narcissistic and selfish (because they have to be so they can survive growing up), which is why it made sense to me that she could both be a narcissist but also not have bad intentions at the same time. It's interesting to hear this perspective replicated here and I can one hundred percent confirm it from my personal experience.
Yes, it's made me realise the same thing about some people I know. They come across as extremely narcissistic but yes also extremely immature. And immature people, like children, have basically most of the narcissistic traits
Dr. Sam Vaknin who coined the term “narcissistic abuse” has talked about this on his channel in great detail. Absolutely the narcissist is emotionally stunted at the age where they failed to separate from their mother (or mother figure). They create a false self (grandiose and perfect) at this age around 2-3, like all toddlers, as they begin to be independent of her. Some psychologists actually call it healthy narcissism, but it is only a stage in their development (sounds like this phallic stage discussed here). The ones that don’t get past this stage either because mother is distracted/inattentive/absent when he comes back from bravely exploring the world or if she is hysterical and won’t LET HIM go explore his independence and thus continues to baby him, are at high risk of being narcissists for life. But another insight which I found helpful is that, according to Sam Vaknin, narcissists commit their abuse of others unconsciously, and they repeat a pattern (especially with their intimate partners) over and over which all goes back to this failure to launch as a toddler and trauma from this life stage. That’s why they act so immature seemingly out of nowhere sometimes. But in the beginning of the relationship they do legitimately believe they like you and want to impress you (or their internal version of you) and attempt to recreate the good things from childhood and don’t actually look for an “easy” target, rather just someone new to idealize. He argues that if a person consciously and deliberately tries to manipulate you (eg. gaslight you) that person is actually veering into psychopathic territory. Granted, there is a lot of overlap in the cluster B (dark triad) psychological disorders. Narcissists do hurt people, even extremely confident well adjusted people. And they will never change, as they never learned true empathy. But if their false grandiose persona is ever truly challenged or shattered (via public humiliation for example) that is when they become extremely dangerous (and behave more like a psychopath and could literally kill you). So while you can understand WHY they are the way they are and get good at recognizing them, it’s best to not to try to show them what they are. Best to just stay away from them, completely if possible. No matter how charming and even thoughtfully sweet they can be ….when they want, lol. Highly recommend his channel.
@@kathleenmonaghan6633 Thanks, this was very interesting. Maybe you will be interested to hear that in my situation, at one time I shouted at her very loudly and told her my opinion. She could barely take it, she hyperventilated and couldn't speak for multiple minutes, trying to calm herself down and catch her breath. I didn't hit her, didn't threaten her. All I did was shout in her face what a selfish a-hole she was. She probably never got this kind of hard feedback from her father, who was always a very weak and defeated person. I believe she never forgave me for that. Her behaviour changed from somewhat empathetic to cold and cruel. And she did everything she could to manipulate me and hurt me as much as possible. Like telling me I was really important for her, and then mainly ignoring me. And then acting like she was the poor victim. Ultimately attacking the most weak and vulnerable parts of my personality, which she had successfully tried and found out about earlier. I assume that in a way, I had shattered her grandiose personality by shouting at her like none of the weak men in her life ever had, and from that point on she hated me and wanted to destroy me emotionally in a way that would make me hurt myself. And it actually worked. I didn't want to live anymore for multiple months. Luckily I managed to get over it. Anyhow, it would actually fit your description.
Teaching a child from day #1. Consistently and reliable effort from a parent role 24/7. Setting the example for the child to live by. Action speaks louder than words. Setting boundaries and consequence. Following through with discipline. Teaching, demonstrate, laughing and crying. The interaction of being appropriate at the right time for the reason. Dedication. So many of life's flow begins at day #1. I believe maturity develops everyday, beginning from day #1. It's called growth. 💙😇💙
Also. I am a mid- 60's woman. Dr. Peterson, you seem to focus primarily on young men, and I understand why, but, as a 67 yr. old single woman, I feel a bit left out. I have been following you before 2016 and after- when you made your controversial and publicized stance against Bill C-16. I watched your lectures posted on you tube. So, I am proud to say that I recognized you well before you became " famous". I wish more of your your interviews / lectures addressed the the struggles of the older generation and ' of women. Thank you.
Because we have several generations of men fucked over by gynocentric court systems and passed over due to wanting to uplift women. Fixing the problems men face has a far higher priority as if those men disappear the entire system you depend on and take for granted goes belly up.
I love when Jordan talks about psychology like this, he's so much more clear and insightful and precise in this subject than when he talks about basically anything else.
08:15 Wow, never looked at it as a pathalogical extreme. It makes sense now that I think about it. It accounts for the fact that criminals somehow not only emerge from bad families but even from practically perfect ones.
I have dated a narcissist and I have repeatedly noticed how he turned into a 4 year old during conflicts and certain other situations. I mean literally...Body language, tone of voice, behavior and even his arguments. It turned out he also was a danger to me and towards himself.
@@hlnmarieis ‘narcissist’ your keyword of the month? Or is it ‘mental health’ or ‘autism’. Sucks that people like you throw the words around so mistakenly. Rids the words of any meaning and makes people who need to be taken seriously get clumped with idiots who have watched a few RUclips videos and think they know psychology. Think a little deeper, maybe with a bit of substance next time. I promise it doesn’t hurt your brain that much!
Agree, if they cannot handle conflict, they never admit wrong doing, they will always mend relations without acknowledging their faults and you always feel like you are being used.
Dr Campbell said maturity is helping others and being a provider, which means you have to acknowledge dependency in those you help and provide for. Being mature is taking care of yourself as much as you can, and when you cannot, you ask for help. Even though you are a man, even though you are an adult. When you realize that you become truly responsible. You become aware of how you respond to others aswell as yourself. Swallow that pride, grow the hell up and ask for help when it is needed. And don't shame people who ask for help. They are being responsible. For God's sake we are dependent on oxygen so our lungs have to breath in and out every second or so. We are also dependent on other people. Dependency and independency are equally real phenomena in our lives, and we experience both.
This has been the age of the manchild, maybe all ages are, maybe why we need desperate times is to help transform the population into a more mature and grateful society that values God, family, and principle
Would you say such things if you realized that in order to do this we would hafta recriminalize promiscuous sex? I doubt it because Tate is right, you people are weak.
Omg, the observation JP made on the 13 year old boy is spot on!! He described my oldest son right now. He’s currently in the middle as a rule breaker. He’s born into privilege with religious married parents. He’s usually obedient but recently lied/disobeyed us. I was literally crying and he saw how much this hurt me, his mother. He just wanted to know why he has to be good- because I didn’t give birth/life for you to do evil!! The Lord hears a mother’s prayer.
it's maddening to be engrossed in listening to deep dialogue only for a completely unnecessary ad to smash you off course. the ads are nauseating. i can't be alone in feeling this way. who knows tho.------i have youtube premium. this is WITH premium. thanks for the heads up, however.
It's RUclips's mission to drive you into paying for premium. After everyone is paying, they'll introduce ads again, than offer platinum with no ads . On and on and on.
What about the idea that narcissism takes foothold when the child is suffering from neglect? Maybe through the lack of attention that the child becomes at an early age, creates the ground for a narcissistic attitude! So maybe this need to be permanently at the center of attention, originally stems from a place of neglect. This was the idea I got when listening to this clip
Everyone learns differently. Instead of trying to critique education, you can always learn the various ways of getting an education so you can speak to anyone on their own level
I'm 19 years old and Jordan Pearson just perfectly described how I have matured over the past 2 years. I was a pretty straightened-arrow young man. Never really got into any trouble or broke rules. I didn't speed, smoke, drink (except with my parents on New Year's), and I rarely did anything to piss anyone off. Then in 2022 Andrew Tate and the Red Pill movement exploded onto the scene. I decided that I didn't want to go to college, I decided that I was going to get in shape, and I decided to devote as much free time as I could to earning money. In doing so, I also became very cold to my family and friends. I didn't want any distractions. I was very arrogant, and I was obsessed with Self-Improvement. It wasn't until around February of 2023 (my last semester of highschool) that I started to come out of it. Now I have a very high paying sales job. I'm 19 years old, I make $120,000 a year and counting, I get paid to travel the country fixing hail damage on people's cars, and I think I met the love of my life. Andrew Tate as many things. A saint? Definitely not. But I cannot deny that I would not be the man I am without him. He helped me develop my dark side, and men like Jordan Peterson showed me how to harness it for good. Jordan Peterson's description towards the end of this video perfectly outlined that for me. Thank you for pointing that out to me Dr. Peterson, ang God bless!
We're essentially criticizing society because the fact that so many young people look up to figures like Andrew Tate as role models highlights a broader issue, a lack of positive and influential figures for them to follow. Andrew is not the problem.
I think Tate gets too much credit. Men have idolized other awful men (men who say/do awful things) since forever, if it gives them a hint of permission to act in the same domineering or cruel way towards their partners and/or peers. Fueled by a spirit that considers it as is his right and entitlement to do so; Or excuse their past/current behavior having it suddenly authorized by swaying popular opinion. It was never just women who become aroused/influenced by the bad boy image. 👀 Will the real slim shady, please stand up?
I've seen narcissists/psychopaths elevated to top level positions, which is bad enough, but they tended to find ways to punish the altruistic. One of these was actually fairly low IQ for their position, was a bully, and had been a bully from their youth. They were a favorite of the company's board, although everybody working under them detested their bullying, lies and abuse of power. They were socialized to succeed with their malignant traits, with little correction.
This sounds like it’s promoting drug use. Don’t do drugs I grew up with an addicted father, and my life was a living hell. Just take normal risks. ❤ Much love to the good men out there ❤
Great talk, I appreciate when men sit to discuss these things. A greater question will be how can the male man mature? Is it by having more responsibility, talking less and calmly, getting more money, working hard, reading books, what is it?
You know, that's a very good question. I think we need to look into what contributes to its formation. First, however, it needs to be acknowledged as a problem and that its impact is detrimental to society and in our society (Canada) getting to that place will be very challenging imo. 😔
The cultural climate being overwhelmingly toxic is the rhyme and reason. We are programmed to disavow any sense of morality slowly with every concession we make in the hope of being socially acceptable.Being such a prominent construct in all western lives is hopeful that it is so big it will fall in such a profound manor that is creates such a shock through the system there is no way to process it anymore without a complete collapse.
I believe it will and is collapsing, the system we have now and what it is producing in our offspring. The mess it is creating is astronomical for those who are growing emotionally and spiritually. Only the Creator can fix this disaster, let's be aligned properly with Him so we can be of assistance.
Drugs and alcohol derail maturity as soon as dependancy begins. In most cases early to mid teens. Irresponsibility begins with defense mechanisms like denial, transference, and usually just as an extension of the family dynamic where taking hostages and scapegoating are normal. Everyone has an excuse to neglect, beat, insult, and abandon.
They completely miss the point. Men don’t follow Andrew because hes showy and rebellious. They follow him because he’s the only one acknowledging, if you follow the rules you end up a slave in a corporation making someone else rich. His solution may not be peak, but he genuinely is the only one addressing the problem.
@@simonshakespeare82That really depends on if it's just waffling that everyone sees through. If you mean it with your life, it's pretty easy to be an "alpha".
Andrew Tate is attractive to teenagers because he still is one. As soon as someone comes along who is dominant, respected, and embodies traditional values, Tate will lose all relevance. He himself says he thinks family values are the answer to the crisis in the west, yet he doesn't live by them. He's intelligent, but he's also a con artist. He doesn't walk the walk.
Attention is what flows on tates veins, and people just give it to him freely, he talks about it in some videos, how he gains "power" when people talk about him, you wanna hurt him? Just ignore it. He isnt inmature believe me, he is very dangeorus but has it undercontrol, just like peterson says, but i think peterson doesnt like about tate is exactly what he would like to be, tate for me is petersons shadow, but he is too afraid to admit even to himself.
Tate came from NOWHERE to an internet media success thanks to his father’s CIA background,the CIA bots catapulted Tate into the public gaze….he has no money no property no business everything is rented especially the cars….he’s a FAKE ….:he’s paid opposition
Andrew, is smart, strong, world class fighter, has many kids, provides for his family, provides for his friends, mentors his fans, helps his fans. You forgetting something, Andrew is THE man; HUGELY respected by friends, millionaires, and friends; embodies plenty traditional values. He is intelligent, and entertaining. Get educated Speck, you just repeat stuff from this guy above.
Dr Peterson why do we forget Adler? Teenagers can be very narcissistic. AT’s psychological injury was compounded by a girl which can even be found on video telling him he was skinny and she was not attracted to him. I’m not saying it’s the whole story but interesting. Many people are stuck as teenagers rather than toddlers.
Meh that is not the reason why ,it isn't his psychological insecurity, and andrew is also popular among men from ages 18-25,some men above 30 may have respect for him but aren't his demographic. There is reason why younger guys look upto him cause they want to be successful, happy and be out from this constant demonization of masculinity, being called a loser despite doing everything to maintain the society, called incel by women who aren't even attractive, fit ,smart, loyal and sexually discipline hell they have the audacity to behave disrespectful even to men who are way above thier league
I believe what Jordan is trying to express is that the exaggerated self-importance, the need for constant admiration, and the lack of empathy can lead to a ridiculous and cartoonish role model. He uses Andrew Tate as an example because in his media content, Tate can portray himself as a wealthy, successful, and powerful figure. However, this can lead to an unrealistic representation, and to maintain his inflated sense of self, Tate has to continuously create content that reinforces his idealized image. Again, this can lead to a superficial and unrealistic lifestyle. But if we analyze Tate's digital content, his cartoonish role can have a negative impact on individuals who struggle to meet such standards.
He is right by saying that narcissists get girls to like them, I have a roommate who is narcissistic and It shockes me how he shows his good side and gets some people to like him. I even got deceived by his approach many times.(he used to manipulate me)
Ty, 🙏🏼💖. Much love, much needed info. Thank you for all u do, articulating the human mind, and actions. Thanks for blessing US up. May Godbless u, for being a blessing .🙏🏼
I guess it's time to grow up now!! I don't know where you live but Toy's R US closed quite awhile back. So get working on your responsibilities and pay taxes so Biden can buy toys for the migrants.
Both of my late parents grew up in households w rampant alcoholism - not so for me & my older bro.... Ive seen trauma/drama/dysfunction from mental health problems claim/drain generations in families much worse than substance abuse....at least these days....easier to hide, IMHO...
Yeah I’ve often thought narcissistic tendencies run parallel to immaturity. There’s something inexperienced about the personality that doesn’t quite know better. I’ve often feel sometimes people behave the way I did along time ago when I was still trying to figure things out before I learned better. A lot of what they do is to do with minimum effort for the biggest reward. It’s a very straightforward approach that doesn’t know the complexity required.
Some people just have babies without being a mature person. Most of us/all of us don't normally get trained or guides on how to be a parent, and we just raised our children as we go. We often have to work so hard and get so tired and didn't look after our children as we should. If we did, the world would be much a better place.
I disagree that it’s rare. Nearly everyone is psychopathic, and only incentives/punishments provide the direction - hopefully containing the worst behavior. How many saints do you really know? I do love how you say that the “agreeable” people had better step up, and protect themselves from those who would take advantage. That’s your best stuff. ❤
Wow this explains dependant japanese men who always follow the rules and get depressed and suicidal, and also the criminal rates in other countries where men tend be more on the aggressive narcissistic side
I like aspects of both Peterson and Tate, but then again, l like aspects of Eckhart Tolle and Ted Nugent lol ... However, I think following anyone completely is hazardous.. just my two cents worth
JBP has mentioned the hazards of following a single person. A pope or a dictator, or even Jesus. “Idolatry” is not conducive to the survival of the biological ecosystem when there’s narcissistic tendencies to be fed with one upping for greed. The subconscious survival of the human versus the conscious ego needing excess wealth to combat fear of scarcity, security of health and family and the game of excesses which becomes an identity for some after the thrill of the kill in the corporate world morphs to sociopathy of worshiping brands and the self proclaimed cult of being elite and joining the legacy club of fame and trying to be remembered for eternity in some way. Most of us are peasants just looking for our purpose and a modicum of fulfillment. The simpler life?
Seeing Peterson criticize Tate so heavily really made me lose respect for him. Tate’s message and philosophy is very similar to JBP’s, but aimed more at lower class, uneducated men. You’d think, after his own experience being lied about, taken out of context, and painted as a nazi, Peterson would be more discerning than to dismiss someone for a few surface level critiques. It’s a real shame. If he wasn’t so upset about his daughter liking Tate, and about Tate being anti-Israel, JBP could have a very deep discussion with him.
Depression and other mental illnesses should be viewed as indications of a illness, not as illnesses themselves. We should also consider the possibility that it is pathological or a physiological problem that then negatively affects the mind. Low levels of hormones like cortisol and testosterone are well documented in leading to cognitive dysfunction. Bad medicine seeks to treat the symptom rather than root cause of a condition. In my opinion, psychology needs to merge with a physiological approach.
@@Rollacoastertycoonyou are a shitty troll of a human or a bot of some sort get a life & stop harassing women I bet you’ve got a little wee wee to go with your small brain & strength you’re just a turd that nobody misses… get back to your basement hole & do something better for yourself & the world
A lot of developmental issues stem from developmental precocicity which generally means that the body lags behind the brain. So think of an adult stuck in a child's body. That naturally leads to anger when you want to do so much but can't. When the body grows this inner child remains due to trauma. But it also wants to become adult, and has to learn how to renavigate the world because this is when you formed certain adult thinking ways and concepts, tied to that body configuration, and without those you will be powerless in the adult world. Those adult concepts have a certain childlike aspect to them. A problem is dissociation caused by body growth and traumas and also certain body functions especially at puberty and brain areas becoming active later. It depends on how big the lag is and at what stages. If it's before birth it leads to autism, introversion, psychopathy and more. I think most is related to prebirth and to a lesser extent what happens as a baby. If you develop too fast before birth certain brain areas are put to sleep (delta brainwaves) which sets you up to be ignored by your mother which then becomes narcissism as people don't seem to value you intrinsically, because if mom didn't care why would anyone else? Covert narcissism is basically this. Brain areas being put to sleep include those most related to interaction with the external world which require stimulation at a certain stage to be activated and if that activation is not received they gradually get put to sleep and can get other uses also, don't develop correctly. Like vision (a lot of autists and introverts have a weird gaze, like zoning out), sound, the social brain, mirror neurons (why introverts need to recover so much). Mirror neurons not being properly stimulated/developed leads to internalizing everything which can lead to a conflicted identity. Sensory processing disorder. There's a thing about extraverted thinking and myopia. If your range of perception is limited to what's just in front of you that makes it difficult to think that other people and things could exist farther away. This can set up a limited range of interests and myopia as you don't pay attention/value things away on a subconscious level, and lack of empathy. However extreme empathy for the mother can also be the case which can set up codependent relationships, and high emotional but low cognitive empathy where you project the life-death intimate relationship you had with your mother on other people. Also, other people basically not existing (in your own perceptions) leads to being hyper-focused on your own pleasures and being able to spot when something isn't 100% fair to you. Language use also gets hurt. Most introverted people have complicated thoughts that they can't verbalize because the thinking part of the brain developed before they were exposed to language and the language brain was probably ready for but received no stimulation. There is also a psychosexual stage before birth which relates to the umbilical cord, the amnion and amniotic fluid. A lot relates to this. It's a bit like heaven but also a prison. Why do people start to meditate, well it's to connect to this prebirth state of bliss is what I think. Also this barely surviving, high delta is a cause of criminality, struggling for finances as an adult. The brainwaves are too slow to function in a regular social setting and you get overstimulated easily.
I've heard of Andrew Tate, but I don't know what he says because I never listened to him. It's usually clear when someone is a pop figure with little intelligence, as opposed to a JP or a VDH. But millions listen to such people, so isn't the intellectual immaturity of those millions at least as important as the kind of immaturity Tate apparently has?
Try listening to the PBD podcast with Andrew tate as the guest. Its a really good insight to how he thinks. I think most people exaggerate or lie about his character
Andrew Tate is much more intelligent and mature than JBP gives him credit for. As the other commenter mentioned, watch a couple of his interviews with Tucker, Candace Owens, and other big RUclipsrs. He’s incredibly smart, but his brash persona comes across very poorly in small soundbytes, which the establishment media uses to paint him in the worst possible light. If you find value in what Peterson talks about, you’ll find value in at least 80% of what Tate says, too. Trust me.
*takes the most contrary position possible* Tis I, Darth Pan. We meet again, Hook. Prepare to pay for what you've done to my lost boys. *engages Peterson in a spontaneous swordfight*
May Jesus blesses you all.Taking an objective responsibility for our actions and their outcomes and learning from them to better ourselves is definitely a sign of maturity. It is a very difficult exercise. A real battle against ourselves. But we can see the before and after results. It makes a person become a better family member, a better friend and a better citizen.Turning to Jesus helps to grow up each day. Although, slipping back can be part of the process, but He gives His strength to hope for the best. I think when a man really believes in Jesus, he becomes the best version of himself. He refines his intelligence, He gives him the courage to build his life with a profound and divine purpose. He protects his loved ones and he becomes thoughtful towards others and is at peace, even through trials. Therefore, it is not a surprise to notice that criminals don't love God. As soon as their heart convert to Jesus, then the miracles happen in their broken lives. What a delight when it happens.
And somehow many Courts across the nation don’t hold these immature adults responsible/accountable for their conduct. It’s almost as if theyre rewarded for being sneaky and manipulative and get away with it
What's the consequence? If I'm sat here alone, self righteous and mature - what difference does that make to anyone, including myself? If people act a certain way and have women, have success, have money - then it is a tough sell to say they are wrong and immature, even to the most stoic of observers.
I would interpret this as a form of immaturity, being first doesn't make you better or able to comprehend the ideas deeper than others. You should really reflect on this grave error. Go make your bed.
This is an ultimate form of nurture vs nature where we can obviously mature past immaturity AND this is the point of civilization - gives us a purpose to live everyday.
My stepson is 9 years old. He doesn't stand a chance. The damage was done by the time he was 5 when they gave him a "tablet". He is completely disconnected from reality.
@bashvash my son is really trying and despite what he does in his adult life, he's had a lot of love a good life lessons. his father will buy him out of any bad choices..so, that's where I get pessimistic.
I worked as a Correctional Officer in a maximum security prison and I learned early on that a lot of the inmates were children in adult bodies and that's a dangerous thing.
You worked as an inanimate object or did you mean officer? 😂
@DreamsAreLies I dont know if actually read his comment. He says correctional officer(just I assume the auto correct put it as office), to not understand his post makes me suspicious.
@@jacobtaylor7506 I was just letting the person know if they cared to edit it. Nothing more.
I worked at a psych hospital and quickly had the same thought. It didn't matter whether they were 19 or 50 - behavior was the same.
@@hlnmarieretired psychiatric nurse here both of you on point!
I had a professor in grad school. He also taught academics at a penitentiary. He also said many convicts were just like children in adult bodies. They could never accept responsibility for their actions but could always call out when they’ve been wronged and they are the victims.
This sounds like every women i've met
@@trsk9967Mmmm. Sounds like you keep digging through
the bottom of
the barrel.
@@trsk9967
Nihilistic? Definitely immature. Lacking self awareness.
Look in the mirror. See what is in yourself that has brought you to the point of "every woman". It is impossible, "every woman, ever". I hope you are able to get past this. No doubt, women can be awful, despicable human beings. Make personal changes. You can do this, it is worth it. Seek other men who do not allow you to continue to avoid personal responsibility for failure in your relationships. Choose differently. Your life will change, you are worth the effort, and the results. All men are so valuable, society needs you all. No matter what the toxic feminists say. All men, no matter size, shape, intellect, income, etc.
Bc, "all" is not even possible. I pray you find great success and joy in your life, and an amazing woman to share that joy with.
That would include all of the wrongfully convicted; your hero the 'professor' was an idiotic simpleton - a sure sign of immaturity.
From his ivory tower to reality :
'Cops Tased Autistic Son - After Making Him Participate in Father's Arrest! (then lied about it)'
Civil Rights Lawyer John H. Bryan
Sounds like every liberal I've ever met.
Listen!! We Can Actually prevent Crime by Raising Proper Children!!
So true. Who chooses the we?
@@yitzharos ain't that the truth!
@@wellopurplefitSupport the family again. The mom and dad should be training their children in values and morals.
@@vickyCA1643 That's assuming the parents themselves actually have good values and morals, the problem is many of the children that are growing up right now without those things will eventually become parents of the next generation and won't be able to teach their children the right things if they never learned it themselves.
I had pretty decent parents when it came to morals in terms of what things you should or shouldn't do, but in terms of values I had to learn everything myself through self reflection, reading books, people like Jordan etc. and most of it ended up being how to not be like my parents. For example I decided you need to have a meaningful life and to help others, make the world better. My parents were nice people but only cared about themselves (and me), didn't care what happened to other people in the world they didn't know, thought that's not their problem and that life is just about being happy yourself)
Assuming that the parents are knowledgeable
Maturity occurs a different ages for people. I would say I obtained maturity at age 40. I tell folks I did not become a grown ass man until age 40. When we learn the world does not revolve around self and escape that buble and learn our real job in life is to serve others and take joy in it. I would say that is maturity.
I agree with you!
Well said
The only point in life is to serve yourself
I would make one change: (to me) life is about serving those who love you, depend on you, or are otherwise worthy of respect. This distinction is why I cant be a Christian (that and I don't believe in the afterlife).
@@jaybailleaux630 seems to often coincide with loss and a better view on mortality
Both of my parents were extremely stunted and very immature and it was challenging to survive to adulthood! Once an adult however, I married a very immature man and created a continuation of my absent childhood. I am close to being divorced just as long as I was married and I am so thankful to be a survivor and have raised three beautiful and capable daughters. I had fear that they would follow in my footsteps but recovery skills and a foundation in Christ have broken those chains! I just love JP! 🙏🏽❤️🙏🏽
Jesus definitely lights the way after abusive toxic relationships. My father was a narcissistic man and I went out and found a narcissist as a partner. Unfortunately we realise after the fact and have to rebuild our lives. I enjoyed reading your post because the truth is, having abusive backgrounds we could have gone out and done the same. But we didn’t. And thats something to get joyful about. God bless.
@@jameswardle4770 AMEN! 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
Amen!❤
Jesus doesn't love divorce. Maybe u could've helped him mature instead of divorce?
@@ravenclangaming if the unsaved chooses to leave we are to let them go…
This man has over 8 million subscribers. I'm grateful that Dr Peterson has that much visibility. As a psychology buff myself, I never dreamt that one day a psychologist would be an influencer in our culture. Props to you, and so proud to be Canadian 💜💜💜
@natalieharvey5631 truth stays with God not with number of subscribers. Many people believed at a time that Earth was flat, center of the Universe and Titanic was unsinkable ..they were all mistaken..🤔 Rev.M
Canada is nothing to be proud of and earth is flat and stationary. Don’t force your bs on RUclips.
@@mmoro143”the worst form of immaturity is to deny I’m owned by Israel 🇮🇱 “ there fixed the tittle for everyone
@Machoman50ta ???🤔🤷♀️...are you ok? Do people who genuinely believe in God (Jesus and Virgin Mary), need a gun? Did Jesus ever talk about violence being a solution for life situations?🤔💯
Andrew tate has no deficiencies when it comes to this down-play on immoral narcissistic men they mention, tate is a strong provider for his family and shows great maturity in his masculine qualities
I agree from personal observation. Many people just don’t mature.
It is a modern phenonema tho. Partially because kindergarten where only women job almost and it is an unfit environment for maturity. Then we have kids not taking much real life repsonsibility because of school. Then we have many not getting kids, if any, at 30+. Getting a kid make most people mature.
When you’ve been in a relationship with a narcissist - that’s one of the first things you notice about them - their immaturity. It’s quite astonishing at times. The confusion they experience when you try to explain this to them is met with the strongest form of verbal defence spiralling into deflection and projection. You just have to give up and walk away, because who wants to deal with a person who can’t take any form of criticism and lives in their own little fairytale.
They have to desperately maintain that fairy tale or their artificial world falls apart. Of course if that happened they would have to grow up. That is just not allowed. They cling to their mental illness. I think all of the personality disorders are like that.
Sounds like your looking for validation of your narrative in a YT comments section.
Two sides to every story, right?
Sorry if my observation offends, it just irks me how that N word is thrown around so much these days. The word has become a tool of social warfare.
@ why would I be offended? It was my choice to share my experience, and your comment is your opinion. I’m ok with that.
That’s what a comment section is all about.
@@KayLeb-dj4mz Every person has the aspects of personality disorders in themselves. Healthy people suppress or control unproductive aspects of their personality as they grow up and learn to function. If one is unable to become a happy and productive person, it becomes a disorder. It is generally apparent to others but not to themselves. Validation has little to do with it.
@freshdew4153 how interesting to observe this.
Your reply sounds like a healthy perspective to me, at first glance. So why then did you report the comment and get it removed?
It was only made a matter of hours ago. You had to @ '@why would I be offended'.
Makes me wonder if your all for show. The garrulous explanations, the manicured image, the manipulation of the report function then making what appears to be a machiavellian comment, the dishonesty. You do know what this looks like right?! Classic.
I think I was right. You are looking for validation of a one sided narrative in a YT comments section. I will add, I nw suspect what you ascribe to your ex-partner in your OP, is you projecting a great deal of your own tendencies.
What a guy, what a thinker, what a treasure!
What a save!
Did you ever contemplate a different outlook?
@@pjokkenroll Where here does it even slightly insinuate that he did not?
"Calm down there, buddy!" A good line for a whole lot of situations.👍
say that to andrew tate😂😂
@@37-GARLIC lol
I really like whoa whoa slow down!!
It's a very Albertan phrase. We say it exactly like that.
@@minnowes no it's not uniquely albertan. Get out of your province once in a while.
I call it perpetual adolescence. I've known so many men and women in my life who grew up into their forties & 50s + but their mind stayed locked probably around 25 years old . I've seen them exhibits so many levels of maturity and so many other different levels of immaturity!
Right on . Wanna get drunk and eat oysters?
Sure, but that's 99% of humans. There's no need to label most people's experience a pejorative. Once you realize how stupid 100 IQ (the average) is, you'll be impressed with how well functioning modern complex society is, given the number of buffoons running around.
Are these men and women in the room with you now? Remind me of how perfect you are
And most probably smoked Marijuana?
@@3ormore660 I’m right there
If you call yourself an alpha, there's a high probability you're not.
Exactly.
If you have to tell people you are, you're not.
Nobody calls themself alpha
@@heydani6678some people do who are beta at best
The actual definition of “alpha male” is very different than what Andrew Tate promotes. It has nothing to do with sleeping with multiple woman and everything to do with leadership qualities
My uncle served in ww2, pastored for over fifty years, married to the same woman for over 60 years, wonderful father, loving human being and role model for all of us. He was the definition of an alpha male. Andrew Tate is the opposite of that. Edited to say if acknowledging a great man like my uncle triggers you then you should get some therapy to see why you have such an inferiority complex. Lions don’t have to tell a sheep they are a lion 😘
Great u just proved why andrew tate is becoming more famous with young men because of women like u. Just keep quiet and I bet u don't even have a husband aswell. Stop adding to the confusion because this is what u think it is. I bet ur emasculating young men as we speak
Nope. Your Uncle was by definition a beta male and that's okay because in order to have a technologically advanced society you need a large number of highly intelligent and cooperative males. What you people don't get is that you hafta either ang men like Tate or make them king. There is no middle ground.
@@willhelmberkly3025 you’re clearly someone who has an obvious intelligence and critical thinking deficiency. I’m sorry. We can’t all be amazing people like my uncle.
This is almost laughable.Due to tech & feminism among other symptoms of a decadent society we have degenerated greatly since the 1940's.May I remind you there was a war going on which was mainly fought by men. Andrew Tate represents the backlash against women blaming men for all their problems.
@@willhelmberkly3025 lmao thanks for the good laugh
Emotional immaturity can cause harm not only to the individual but also to those around them, as it leads to unhealthy behavior patterns and poor communication
Narcissists don't take responsibility for their own actions and blame others fof their own stupidity ...forever children...spoiled and selfish...and dangerous
Takes much more than that to be a narcissist. People don't realize that you can be lying cheating butt hole, and still not be a narcissist. The word has been taken down from its proper place and beaten to death by regular people, just like the term "gas lighting." most people who claim to have been gaslit haven't even come mildly close to it.
You projecting ? Is the narcissist in the room now?
My father is 100%… tough growing up with a 35 year old man that smacked a 10 year old when he got upset most of the time I didn’t even know why I got smacked.
I'm narcissist and you can't change it so cry
One of the many epidemics of our times.
I’m an addict and thanks to JP have been getting my act together and making videos for my RUclips channel. I can say this goes for addicts too, we are like children in adult bodies. That’s why it’s so hard for loved ones to help us because we need to be treated like a toddler and have our toys taken away and grounded to stop
This video dives deep into such a profound and precise understanding of male development. The way Dr. Campbell explains narcissism as prolonged immaturity really helps layer the complexities of personality development in a visual and relatable way. The distinctions made between narcissism and dependence, and how they manifest at different stages, hit the mark. It's fascinating how these insights can change the way we see 'alpha' behavior as more of an immature phase than genuine leadership. This breakdown gives such clarity on how personal growth evolves, especially in men, and how crucial socialization is during those formative years. Absolutely loved the depth and the precision with which this information was shared!
Please stop using Chat GPT to write comments
It's embarrassingly obvious that you used ChatGPT so not sure what you were trying to achieve.
It usually boils down to a lack of emotional control.
This is the biggest problem for both men and women today.
Always appalled by the lack of emotional control some adults manage to display. Even at 60. Its just insane.
Helpful and insightful. Love this discussion. Very frustrating working and relating with narcissistic personality.
I don't wear suits but I am so impressed by the Jordan style suits and clothing he wears. The contents are even better!
The most underrated comment about the reality of alpha males. I found it true in my real life where I was surrounded by a bunch of toxic who called themselves “alpha” and it turned out clearly that they’re not.
You should wear it more often. It’s fun.
Narcissism or bullyism knows no gender. It can occur on either side as far as I have witnessed. I dealt with personal narcissistic traits from my adolescence and I continue to peel back the onion so to speak. Having reciprocal relationships with a diversity of perceptions helps to better understand the importance of connecting subjectivism with objectivism. Formulating moral values and upholding oneself to these values and not allowing others to violate these boundaries within ones own realm but not other people's realms is crucial. Men and women are absolutely capable of wanting to manipulate and violate other people's moral boundaries in an effort to gain power and control. Some of these individuals take delight in doing so. Also some of these individuals will cry wolf if they feel they are not getting their way, and they have learned to be persuasive enough to trick foolish people into thinking they are righteous when in fact they are not. To defeat, this kind of personality is to be very consistent with defending personal boundaries of morality without becoming the tyrant and lashing out. Being stoic and having patience and understanding that these things take time to resolve and taking joy in not losing ones own shit as it helps to build character is a great way to resolve these conflicts with others who may or may not be narcissists. I will cut them out of my life if need be. But first I have to cut it out of myself, over and over again until I am confident is gone.
The allure of guys like Andrew Tate has a lot to do with the way that masculinity has been denigrated in our culture. When boys and young men are constantly told that masculinity is inherently toxic, much of the reflexive pushback would be to gravitate to the rebels on the opposing end.
There are plenty of better people to follow. Plenty of role models. The allure of Andrew Tate is that he sold dreams. He's a, con man man
Exactly
If the mass media take away all male role models, they can't control what role models that boys will turn to - the last positive male role model that I can think of was Uncle Phil from the fresh prince, that was 30 years ago. Since then, all men are portrayed as evil or stupid clowns.
What is it that Andrew Tate is ACTUALLY guilty of ?
@@allisnotwhatitseems. I'm not a fan of Tate; I really don't know enough about him to say that he's a good or bad person, but on facebook there was a thread about him, and all his haters could do was body shame him - ironic because his haters are left-wing, and usually call out such behaviour.
You will always be presented to a spectrum of choices in life, that you have free will to navigate through. You will constantly be surprised in moments where you were curious and it turned out to be a traumatic event (or positive), which you learn about the term "temptation", which is a similar feeling, but leads to different outcomes. Which then calibrates your actions to narrow in further (in the golden area).
Humble in expectations for your ceiling (your own limits) and thorough understanding of consequences is a great way for humans to navigate. That's why when children are young, less aggressive and less traumatic, its important to teach them and pass on the morals. You don't want to restrict your children until they are adults, because they will have no idea of this calibration of behaviors and have no bounds to which direction they are going.
I have had some experience with what I would label as narcissism in my family, probably to some extent in myself and have struggled a lot against that type of mentality. It has taken me a long time but slowly I’ve come to understand it better I think. From the little I read a long time ago narcissism is basically the result of a personality configuration that is created when an individual constantly experiences some type of narcissistic wound which is too much for them to overcome at that time or by themselves. Like any personality disturbance the most damage seems to be done the easiest at the youngest time in one’s life. However I think the key window was 4-6. If the child is unable to process that wound at the time (which probably involves a crippling sense of shame) then they are at risk of growing around it and hiding behind a ‘false self’. I have no idea why it’s so common in men although some experts on the topic say that the correlate in women is borderline personality so it might just be a different manifestation.
Everyone has narcissistic wounds or things that get under their skin because they remind them of some experience that wasn’t fully processed, so in that way everyone can act narcissistically.The difference for those with Narcissistic Personality Disorder is that a substantial portion of their self-image falls under threat for seemingly minor things, too many to properly function (in the long run). So they are basically always plugging holes on the sinking ship that is their self-image. Ideally a person would have 1 or 2 small leaks but the narcissist instead is constantly mcgivering their self with patchwork and duct tape. Without the early mirroring, understanding and acceptance of a caregiver to give the child a chance to gather the ‘materials’ to ‘properly build their ship’ they sail on haphazardly repurposing parts of themselves that would otherwise grow into the high level tasks like steering and captaining the ship and relegating those faculties to the most urgent need ‘not sinking’.
I think there have been studies done on Pro-athletes and some very successful entrepreneurs and business people, the ones that are never satisfied and also homeless and drug addicted people living day to day which have found surprising similarities between the two. That constant gnawing fear and drive veering on the psychopathic is present in both. It’s the level of functioning that is different.
With a society that has pushed mothers who should have an instinctual and genetic edge in understanding their own children and who care for them like one else can in the world away and into the workforce aswell as having a society that values personal success to an obsessive degree is it any surprise that the result would be more and more people on both extremes. Those who made it and can now finally be loved and cared for and understood ( even though it won’t be enough) and those who didn’t supposedly because they didn’t try hard enough, as if loving yourself ( in the best way possible) is something that anyone could or should possibly earn.
Anyways what do I know I’m just a dummy who works in a warehouse. This stuff did take years off my life though almost didn’t make it.
Best sources I’ve found for Narcissism are
Dr. Sam Vaknin
(A diagnosed narcissist actually)
And recently
Dr. Mark Ettensohn
The substrate of love on which we live comes from God. Placing our attention on the proper things to the proper extent is tantamount to love. Is it any surprise that people would fail to reach that goal fallen as we are, that is a sin which we are all guilty of.
Definitely not a dummy! Very insightful comment. Thank you.
@@maritaberndt6200 You’re very welcome thank you for replying.
I'm not downplaying your excellent summary and advice, but in my humble opinion: Mark Ettensohn is a councilor FOR narcissists, not the victims thereof. He is misleading people by implying that narcissistic behavior can be cured easily. It cannot and there are not even a single 'cured narcissist' that I'm aware of. Sam Vaknin shows more traits of narcissism himself, than some of my patients. If any, I would recommend Richard Grannon or Dr Peterson. I recommend people to stay far away from Sam Vaknin. A very dark character to say the least.
Thank you, Dr. Peterson and guest. Well delivered and easy to understand.
✌️ 🕊 🙏
The immature parent can't teach children how mature people behave. The immaturity is perpetuated.
Yet a smart child will know there's a better life and do their best NOT to mirror their family.
This was super insightful. Thank you both!
I just watched a recent clip of the Conservative lawyer questioning Trudeau in the foreign interference investigation. Trudeau displayed this "manchild" immaturity!!
Oh yes, Justin is a petulant little boy.
Dr Peterson you are a good role model, for young men.
Agree. Men need many more
He is not. As a person no. He has a lot of great qualities but he doesn't speak on a variety of issues. He puts out good stuff most of the but do not aspire to be like him
@@F.M671 ok man, that is your opinion and I respect it.
@gj4792 we don't need to respect stupid opinions
As a woman I agree with you. Respect to Jordan Petersen and what he has done for men and womans of all generations
I recently had a very painful experience with a person who would first lead a normal relationship with me, but then suddenly she became extremely selfish, careless and narcissistic. I thought she was being a narcissist because of the behaviors, but I also realized that she was immature at the same time, and not necessarily a bad person. I couldn't shake the thought that it's natural for children to be narcissistic and selfish (because they have to be so they can survive growing up), which is why it made sense to me that she could both be a narcissist but also not have bad intentions at the same time. It's interesting to hear this perspective replicated here and I can one hundred percent confirm it from my personal experience.
Yes, it's made me realise the same thing about some people I know. They come across as extremely narcissistic but yes also extremely immature. And immature people, like children, have basically most of the narcissistic traits
Dr. Sam Vaknin who coined the term “narcissistic abuse” has talked about this on his channel in great detail. Absolutely the narcissist is emotionally stunted at the age where they failed to separate from their mother (or mother figure). They create a false self (grandiose and perfect) at this age around 2-3, like all toddlers, as they begin to be independent of her. Some psychologists actually call it healthy narcissism, but it is only a stage in their development (sounds like this phallic stage discussed here). The ones that don’t get past this stage either because mother is distracted/inattentive/absent when he comes back from bravely exploring the world or if she is hysterical and won’t LET HIM go explore his independence and thus continues to baby him, are at high risk of being narcissists for life. But another insight which I found helpful is that, according to Sam Vaknin, narcissists commit their abuse of others unconsciously, and they repeat a pattern (especially with their intimate partners) over and over which all goes back to this failure to launch as a toddler and trauma from this life stage. That’s why they act so immature seemingly out of nowhere sometimes. But in the beginning of the relationship they do legitimately believe they like you and want to impress you (or their internal version of you) and attempt to recreate the good things from childhood and don’t actually look for an “easy” target, rather just someone new to idealize. He argues that if a person consciously and deliberately tries to manipulate you (eg. gaslight you) that person is actually veering into psychopathic territory. Granted, there is a lot of overlap in the cluster B (dark triad) psychological disorders. Narcissists do hurt people, even extremely confident well adjusted people. And they will never change, as they never learned true empathy. But if their false grandiose persona is ever truly challenged or shattered (via public humiliation for example) that is when they become extremely dangerous (and behave more like a psychopath and could literally kill you). So while you can understand WHY they are the way they are and get good at recognizing them, it’s best to not to try to show them what they are. Best to just stay away from them, completely if possible. No matter how charming and even thoughtfully sweet they can be ….when they want, lol. Highly recommend his channel.
@@kathleenmonaghan6633 Thanks, this was very interesting. Maybe you will be interested to hear that in my situation, at one time I shouted at her very loudly and told her my opinion. She could barely take it, she hyperventilated and couldn't speak for multiple minutes, trying to calm herself down and catch her breath. I didn't hit her, didn't threaten her. All I did was shout in her face what a selfish a-hole she was. She probably never got this kind of hard feedback from her father, who was always a very weak and defeated person. I believe she never forgave me for that. Her behaviour changed from somewhat empathetic to cold and cruel. And she did everything she could to manipulate me and hurt me as much as possible. Like telling me I was really important for her, and then mainly ignoring me. And then acting like she was the poor victim. Ultimately attacking the most weak and vulnerable parts of my personality, which she had successfully tried and found out about earlier.
I assume that in a way, I had shattered her grandiose personality by shouting at her like none of the weak men in her life ever had, and from that point on she hated me and wanted to destroy me emotionally in a way that would make me hurt myself. And it actually worked. I didn't want to live anymore for multiple months. Luckily I managed to get over it. Anyhow, it would actually fit your description.
Teaching a child from day #1. Consistently and reliable effort from a parent role 24/7. Setting the example for the child to live by. Action speaks louder than words. Setting boundaries and consequence. Following through with discipline. Teaching, demonstrate, laughing and crying. The interaction of being appropriate at the right time for the reason. Dedication. So many of life's flow begins at day #1. I believe maturity develops everyday, beginning from day #1. It's called growth. 💙😇💙
Imagine if we taught a new generation to be logically compassionate towards one another and to hold each other accountable for each person's actions.
And imagine if we taught them this lesson by not making me pay for other peoples illegitimate children.
Also. I am a mid- 60's woman. Dr. Peterson, you seem to focus primarily on young men, and I understand why, but, as a 67 yr. old single woman, I feel a bit left out. I have been following you before 2016 and after- when you made your controversial and publicized stance against Bill C-16. I watched your lectures posted on you tube. So, I am proud to say that I recognized you well before you became " famous". I wish more of your your interviews / lectures addressed the the struggles of the older generation and ' of women. Thank you.
Everyone else caters to you, go away
Because we have several generations of men fucked over by gynocentric court systems and passed over due to wanting to uplift women. Fixing the problems men face has a far higher priority as if those men disappear the entire system you depend on and take for granted goes belly up.
I love when Jordan talks about psychology like this, he's so much more clear and insightful and precise in this subject than when he talks about basically anything else.
this format of videos suits me a lot
What a pleasurable experience it was to listen to this conversation. I look forward to more. Particularly about maturing as a man.
08:15 Wow, never looked at it as a pathalogical extreme. It makes sense now that I think about it. It accounts for the fact that criminals somehow not only emerge from bad families but even from practically perfect ones.
It had to be said. Thank goodness there are men willing to put this out there.
I have dated a narcissist and I have repeatedly noticed how he turned into a 4 year old during conflicts and certain other situations.
I mean literally...Body language, tone of voice, behavior and even his arguments.
It turned out he also was a danger to me and towards himself.
Let me guess. You were perfect
@@RollacoastertycoonYou are trying to change the subject. Narcissists do that.
@@hlnmarieis ‘narcissist’ your keyword of the month? Or is it ‘mental health’ or ‘autism’. Sucks that people like you throw the words around so mistakenly. Rids the words of any meaning and makes people who need to be taken seriously get clumped with idiots who have watched a few RUclips videos and think they know psychology. Think a little deeper, maybe with a bit of substance next time. I promise it doesn’t hurt your brain that much!
So you abandoned him as soon as possible
Agree, if they cannot handle conflict, they never admit wrong doing, they will always mend relations without acknowledging their faults and you always feel like you are being used.
Dr Campbell said maturity is helping others and being a provider, which means you have to acknowledge dependency in those you help and provide for. Being mature is taking care of yourself as much as you can, and when you cannot, you ask for help. Even though you are a man, even though you are an adult. When you realize that you become truly responsible. You become aware of how you respond to others aswell as yourself. Swallow that pride, grow the hell up and ask for help when it is needed. And don't shame people who ask for help. They are being responsible. For God's sake we are dependent on oxygen so our lungs have to breath in and out every second or so. We are also dependent on other people. Dependency and independency are equally real phenomena in our lives, and we experience both.
Jordan Peterson & David Goggins.
Anyone else?
This has been the age of the manchild, maybe all ages are, maybe why we need desperate times is to help transform the population into a more mature and grateful society that values God, family, and principle
These soyboys won't survive!
Sounds so boring and devoid of variety...
Would you say such things if you realized that in order to do this we would hafta recriminalize promiscuous sex? I doubt it because Tate is right, you people are weak.
Omg, the observation JP made on the 13 year old boy is spot on!! He described my oldest son right now. He’s currently in the middle as a rule breaker. He’s born into privilege with religious married parents. He’s usually obedient but recently lied/disobeyed us. I was literally crying and he saw how much this hurt me, his mother.
He just wanted to know why he has to be good- because I didn’t give birth/life for you to do evil!! The Lord hears a mother’s prayer.
it's maddening to be engrossed in listening to deep dialogue only for a completely unnecessary ad to smash you off course. the ads are nauseating. i can't be alone in feeling this way. who knows tho.------i have youtube premium. this is WITH premium. thanks for the heads up, however.
get premium
@@elingrome5853they were referring to the Mikaela ad that isn’t skipped by premium.
@@elingrome5853 i have it! he embeds the ads within the vids. it's nothing to do with premium.
@@elingrome5853 i have premium, grome. the ads are unavoidable in his vids and poorly placed.
It's RUclips's mission to drive you into paying for premium. After everyone is paying, they'll introduce ads again, than offer platinum with no ads . On and on and on.
It’s a 3 year old, throwing tantrums, however it’s dangerous in an adult, as real damage can be done.
What about the idea that narcissism takes foothold when the child is suffering from neglect?
Maybe through the lack of attention that the child becomes at an early age, creates the ground for a narcissistic attitude! So maybe this need to be permanently at the center of attention, originally stems from a place of neglect.
This was the idea I got when listening to this clip
Everyone learns differently. Instead of trying to critique education, you can always learn the various ways of getting an education so you can speak to anyone on their own level
I'm 19 years old and Jordan Pearson just perfectly described how I have matured over the past 2 years.
I was a pretty straightened-arrow young man. Never really got into any trouble or broke rules. I didn't speed, smoke, drink (except with my parents on New Year's), and I rarely did anything to piss anyone off.
Then in 2022 Andrew Tate and the Red Pill movement exploded onto the scene. I decided that I didn't want to go to college, I decided that I was going to get in shape, and I decided to devote as much free time as I could to earning money.
In doing so, I also became very cold to my family and friends. I didn't want any distractions. I was very arrogant, and I was obsessed with Self-Improvement. It wasn't until around February of 2023 (my last semester of highschool) that I started to come out of it.
Now I have a very high paying sales job. I'm 19 years old, I make $120,000 a year and counting, I get paid to travel the country fixing hail damage on people's cars, and I think I met the love of my life.
Andrew Tate as many things. A saint? Definitely not. But I cannot deny that I would not be the man I am without him. He helped me develop my dark side, and men like Jordan Peterson showed me how to harness it for good.
Jordan Peterson's description towards the end of this video perfectly outlined that for me.
Thank you for pointing that out to me Dr. Peterson, ang God bless!
This is how it should be! Not only for men but also for women. It is not gender specific, it is a question of personal growth for any human being!
Well aint that a bunchacrap
We're essentially criticizing society because the fact that so many young people look up to figures like Andrew Tate as role models highlights a broader issue, a lack of positive and influential figures for them to follow. Andrew is not the problem.
100 percent correct
Young Men were starving for the truth and a hint of masculinity.
He's a problem. And he's also a criminal
@@bobhill4364Definitely being a predator is quite the masculinity 🤡
I think Tate gets too much credit.
Men have idolized other awful men (men who say/do awful things) since forever, if it gives them a hint of permission to act in the same domineering or cruel way towards their partners and/or peers. Fueled by a spirit that considers it as is his right and entitlement to do so;
Or excuse their past/current behavior having it suddenly authorized by swaying popular opinion.
It was never just women who become aroused/influenced by the bad boy image.
👀
Will the real slim shady, please stand up?
Peterson is the greatest role model of young man in this generation.🙏🏼
I've seen narcissists/psychopaths elevated to top level positions, which is bad enough, but they tended to find ways to punish the altruistic. One of these was actually fairly low IQ for their position, was a bully, and had been a bully from their youth. They were a favorite of the company's board, although everybody working under them detested their bullying, lies and abuse of power. They were socialized to succeed with their malignant traits, with little correction.
This sounds like it’s promoting drug use. Don’t do drugs I grew up with an addicted father, and my life was a living hell. Just take normal risks. ❤ Much love to the good men out there ❤
Aristotle, Nicomachean Ethics: Virtue is always that between the two extremes.
On rule following: I've thought for some time that success in life has a significant link to knowing when to follow the rules and when not to.
That is wisdom, Knowing when to and when not to.
Great talk, I appreciate when men sit to discuss these things. A greater question will be how can the male man mature? Is it by having more responsibility, talking less and calmly, getting more money, working hard, reading books, what is it?
I dunno my male man already has a lot to do and works pretty hard
You know, that's a very good question. I think we need to look into what contributes to its formation. First, however, it needs to be acknowledged as a problem and that its impact is detrimental to society and in our society (Canada) getting to that place will be very challenging imo. 😔
@@tomlewis7898 My male man is a woman and she also works very hard. A female male man.
Great discussion...
Wilhelm Reich saw how these traits were treatable through Body Psychotherapy
Woody Harrelson has upped his game
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Be kind. Be kind, Be kind...
The cultural climate being overwhelmingly toxic is the rhyme and reason. We are programmed to disavow any sense of morality slowly with every concession we make in the hope of being socially acceptable.Being such a prominent construct in all western lives is hopeful that it is so big it will fall in such a profound manor that is creates such a shock through the system there is no way to process it anymore without a complete collapse.
I believe it will and is collapsing, the system we have now and what it is producing in our offspring.
The mess it is creating is astronomical for those who are growing emotionally and spiritually.
Only the Creator can fix this disaster, let's be aligned properly with Him so we can be of assistance.
Drugs and alcohol derail maturity as soon as dependancy begins. In most cases early to mid teens. Irresponsibility begins with defense mechanisms like denial, transference, and usually just as an extension of the family dynamic where taking hostages and scapegoating are normal. Everyone has an excuse to neglect, beat, insult, and abandon.
Please do a discussion with Rabbi Tovia Singer. this would make for a most interesting discussion on a biblical level.
I didn't think this video would make me cry
“It is mine to avenge; I will repay,” says the Lord
They completely miss the point.
Men don’t follow Andrew because hes showy and rebellious.
They follow him because he’s the only one acknowledging, if you follow the rules you end up a slave in a corporation making someone else rich.
His solution may not be peak, but he genuinely is the only one addressing the problem.
The most beta guys are the ones who call themselves alpha
I’ve always thought that, if you have to keep telling everyone you’re an alpha then you’re really not 😂
Pack placement term use is a sign of mental deficiency and zero awareness of an actual pack's structure.
Calling yourself an alpha is merely a statement that is either correct or incorrect.
If it seems correct, I don't see why you wouldn't use all the honest, context-appropriate descriptions you can.
@@simonshakespeare82That really depends on if it's just waffling that everyone sees through. If you mean it with your life, it's pretty easy to be an "alpha".
Thank you Jordan. We need more discussion, more analasis and understanding of ... what even is this? It’s not boring I’ll tell you that.
Andrew Tate is attractive to teenagers because he still is one. As soon as someone comes along who is dominant, respected, and embodies traditional values, Tate will lose all relevance. He himself says he thinks family values are the answer to the crisis in the west, yet he doesn't live by them. He's intelligent, but he's also a con artist. He doesn't walk the walk.
😂 Tate has a stunted maturity level of a 12/13 year old.
Attention is what flows on tates veins, and people just give it to him freely, he talks about it in some videos, how he gains "power" when people talk about him, you wanna hurt him? Just ignore it. He isnt inmature believe me, he is very dangeorus but has it undercontrol, just like peterson says, but i think peterson doesnt like about tate is exactly what he would like to be, tate for me is petersons shadow, but he is too afraid to admit even to himself.
@@FDx8500😂are you joking? the contrasts between Peterson and Tate couldn’t be more stark 😅 They shouldn’t even be mentioned in the same sentence ñ.
Tate came from NOWHERE to an internet media success thanks to his father’s CIA background,the CIA bots catapulted Tate into the public gaze….he has no money no property no business everything is rented especially the cars….he’s a FAKE ….:he’s paid opposition
Andrew, is smart, strong, world class fighter, has many kids, provides for his family, provides for his friends, mentors his fans, helps his fans. You forgetting something, Andrew is THE man; HUGELY respected by friends, millionaires, and friends; embodies plenty traditional values. He is intelligent, and entertaining. Get educated Speck, you just repeat stuff from this guy above.
‘ teach a child when he is young and when he is old he will never depart”
Dr Peterson why do we forget Adler? Teenagers can be very narcissistic. AT’s psychological injury was compounded by a girl which can even be found on video telling him he was skinny and she was not attracted to him. I’m not saying it’s the whole story but interesting. Many people are stuck as teenagers rather than toddlers.
Bang on
I have experienced both child like 5 or 6 and then some teenage acting. It varies, the point is the emotional instability is childlike.
Is it the similar reason why most social communities we interact with have a hierarchy like a typical high school?
Meh that is not the reason why ,it isn't his psychological insecurity, and andrew is also popular among men from ages 18-25,some men above 30 may have respect for him but aren't his demographic. There is reason why younger guys look upto him cause they want to be successful, happy and be out from this constant demonization of masculinity, being called a loser despite doing everything to maintain the society, called incel by women who aren't even attractive, fit ,smart, loyal and sexually discipline hell they have the audacity to behave disrespectful even to men who are way above thier league
you're my favorite content creator love
I believe what Jordan is trying to express is that the exaggerated self-importance, the need for constant admiration, and the lack of empathy can lead to a ridiculous and cartoonish role model. He uses Andrew Tate as an example because in his media content, Tate can portray himself as a wealthy, successful, and powerful figure. However, this can lead to an unrealistic representation, and to maintain his inflated sense of self, Tate has to continuously create content that reinforces his idealized image. Again, this can lead to a superficial and unrealistic lifestyle. But if we analyze Tate's digital content, his cartoonish role can have a negative impact on individuals who struggle to meet such standards.
He is right by saying that narcissists get girls to like them, I have a roommate who is narcissistic and It shockes me how he shows his good side and gets some people to like him. I even got deceived by his approach many times.(he used to manipulate me)
A perfect example is Trudeau in Canada.
The worst prime minister in Canadian history.
Ty, 🙏🏼💖. Much love, much needed info. Thank you for all u do, articulating the human mind, and actions. Thanks for blessing US up. May Godbless u, for being a blessing .🙏🏼
“I don’t wanna grow up, cause baby if I did, I wouldn’t be a Toys R’ Us kid…”.
I guess it's time to grow up now!! I don't know where you live but Toy's R US closed quite awhile back. So get working on your responsibilities and pay taxes so Biden can buy toys for the migrants.
Bet that was funnier in your head
@@SoCalRhetor your name was funnier.
Both of my late parents grew up in households w rampant alcoholism - not so for me & my older bro....
Ive seen trauma/drama/dysfunction from mental health problems claim/drain generations in families much worse than substance abuse....at least these days....easier to hide, IMHO...
What about the over apparent intellectualism and the ego that it breeds.
Yeah I’ve often thought narcissistic tendencies run parallel to immaturity. There’s something inexperienced about the personality that doesn’t quite know better.
I’ve often feel sometimes people behave the way I did along time ago when I was still trying to figure things out before I learned better. A lot of what they do is to do with minimum effort for the biggest reward. It’s a very straightforward approach that doesn’t know the complexity required.
Arrested development..
Some people just have babies without being a mature person. Most of us/all of us don't normally get trained or guides on how to be a parent, and we just raised our children as we go. We often have to work so hard and get so tired and didn't look after our children as we should. If we did, the world would be much a better place.
I disagree that it’s rare. Nearly everyone is psychopathic, and only incentives/punishments provide the direction - hopefully containing the worst behavior. How many saints do you really know? I do love how you say that the “agreeable” people had better step up, and protect themselves from those who would take advantage. That’s your best stuff. ❤
Team Andrew🔝
Wow this explains dependant japanese men who always follow the rules and get depressed and suicidal, and also the criminal rates in other countries where men tend be more on the aggressive narcissistic side
You don't need tonne of role models. You just need quality over quantity. A sensible person will choose what they are possessed by
I like aspects of both Peterson and Tate, but then again, l like aspects of Eckhart Tolle and Ted Nugent lol ... However, I think following anyone completely is hazardous.. just my two cents worth
JBP has mentioned the hazards of following a single person. A pope or a dictator, or even Jesus. “Idolatry” is not conducive to the survival of the biological ecosystem when there’s narcissistic tendencies to be fed with one upping for greed. The subconscious survival of the human versus the conscious ego needing excess wealth to combat fear of scarcity, security of health and family and the game of excesses which becomes an identity for some after the thrill of the kill in the corporate world morphs to sociopathy of worshiping brands and the self proclaimed cult of being elite and joining the legacy club of fame and trying to be remembered for eternity in some way. Most of us are peasants just looking for our purpose and a modicum of fulfillment. The simpler life?
Seeing Peterson criticize Tate so heavily really made me lose respect for him. Tate’s message and philosophy is very similar to JBP’s, but aimed more at lower class, uneducated men. You’d think, after his own experience being lied about, taken out of context, and painted as a nazi, Peterson would be more discerning than to dismiss someone for a few surface level critiques. It’s a real shame. If he wasn’t so upset about his daughter liking Tate, and about Tate being anti-Israel, JBP could have a very deep discussion with him.
Depression and other mental illnesses should be viewed as indications of a illness, not as illnesses themselves. We should also consider the possibility that it is pathological or a physiological problem that then negatively affects the mind. Low levels of hormones like cortisol and testosterone are well documented in leading to cognitive dysfunction.
Bad medicine seeks to treat the symptom rather than root cause of a condition. In my opinion, psychology needs to merge with a physiological approach.
Every ex boyfriend is a narcissist 😂 am I right though? In all seriousness I think the word gets thrown around more than a butterfly in the wind.
Yeah everyone is a narc but they. Women never take accountability
@@Rollacoastertycoonyou are a shitty troll of a human or a bot of some sort get a life & stop harassing women I bet you’ve got a little wee wee to go with your small brain & strength you’re just a turd that nobody misses… get back to your basement hole & do something better for yourself & the world
Never is a long time
A lot of men have narcissistic traits like too many of y’all especially in today’s trauma driven society.
@@Rollacoastertycoon lol funny how you missed the sarcasm because you feel targetted
A lot of developmental issues stem from developmental precocicity which generally means that the body lags behind the brain. So think of an adult stuck in a child's body. That naturally leads to anger when you want to do so much but can't. When the body grows this inner child remains due to trauma. But it also wants to become adult, and has to learn how to renavigate the world because this is when you formed certain adult thinking ways and concepts, tied to that body configuration, and without those you will be powerless in the adult world. Those adult concepts have a certain childlike aspect to them. A problem is dissociation caused by body growth and traumas and also certain body functions especially at puberty and brain areas becoming active later.
It depends on how big the lag is and at what stages. If it's before birth it leads to autism, introversion, psychopathy and more. I think most is related to prebirth and to a lesser extent what happens as a baby. If you develop too fast before birth certain brain areas are put to sleep (delta brainwaves) which sets you up to be ignored by your mother which then becomes narcissism as people don't seem to value you intrinsically, because if mom didn't care why would anyone else? Covert narcissism is basically this. Brain areas being put to sleep include those most related to interaction with the external world which require stimulation at a certain stage to be activated and if that activation is not received they gradually get put to sleep and can get other uses also, don't develop correctly. Like vision (a lot of autists and introverts have a weird gaze, like zoning out), sound, the social brain, mirror neurons (why introverts need to recover so much). Mirror neurons not being properly stimulated/developed leads to internalizing everything which can lead to a conflicted identity. Sensory processing disorder. There's a thing about extraverted thinking and myopia. If your range of perception is limited to what's just in front of you that makes it difficult to think that other people and things could exist farther away. This can set up a limited range of interests and myopia as you don't pay attention/value things away on a subconscious level, and lack of empathy. However extreme empathy for the mother can also be the case which can set up codependent relationships, and high emotional but low cognitive empathy where you project the life-death intimate relationship you had with your mother on other people. Also, other people basically not existing (in your own perceptions) leads to being hyper-focused on your own pleasures and being able to spot when something isn't 100% fair to you. Language use also gets hurt. Most introverted people have complicated thoughts that they can't verbalize because the thinking part of the brain developed before they were exposed to language and the language brain was probably ready for but received no stimulation.
There is also a psychosexual stage before birth which relates to the umbilical cord, the amnion and amniotic fluid. A lot relates to this. It's a bit like heaven but also a prison. Why do people start to meditate, well it's to connect to this prebirth state of bliss is what I think. Also this barely surviving, high delta is a cause of criminality, struggling for finances as an adult. The brainwaves are too slow to function in a regular social setting and you get overstimulated easily.
I've heard of Andrew Tate, but I don't know what he says because I never listened to him. It's usually clear when someone is a pop figure with little intelligence, as opposed to a JP or a VDH. But millions listen to such people, so isn't the intellectual immaturity of those millions at least as important as the kind of immaturity Tate apparently has?
Try listening to the PBD podcast with Andrew tate as the guest. Its a really good insight to how he thinks. I think most people exaggerate or lie about his character
Andrew Tate is much more intelligent and mature than JBP gives him credit for. As the other commenter mentioned, watch a couple of his interviews with Tucker, Candace Owens, and other big RUclipsrs. He’s incredibly smart, but his brash persona comes across very poorly in small soundbytes, which the establishment media uses to paint him in the worst possible light. If you find value in what Peterson talks about, you’ll find value in at least 80% of what Tate says, too. Trust me.
Narcissism is someone who has unfinished business for the childhood
*takes the most contrary position possible* Tis I, Darth Pan. We meet again, Hook. Prepare to pay for what you've done to my lost boys. *engages Peterson in a spontaneous swordfight*
May Jesus blesses you all.Taking an objective responsibility for our actions and their outcomes and learning from them to better ourselves is definitely a sign of maturity. It is a very difficult exercise. A real battle against ourselves. But we can see the before and after results. It makes a person become a better family member, a better friend and a better citizen.Turning to Jesus helps to grow up each day. Although, slipping back can be part of the process, but He gives His strength to hope for the best. I think when a man really believes in Jesus, he becomes the best version of himself. He refines his intelligence, He gives him the courage to build his life with a profound and divine purpose. He protects his loved ones and he becomes thoughtful towards others and is at peace, even through trials. Therefore, it is not a surprise to notice that criminals don't love God. As soon as their heart convert to Jesus, then the miracles happen in their broken lives. What a delight when it happens.
Never grow up. Refuse to be socialized.
Amen. Stay young less pressure
My mother always told me that if you become an alcoholic at a very young age you dont mature properly
Jordan nails it again!
And somehow many Courts across the nation don’t hold these immature adults responsible/accountable for their conduct. It’s almost as if theyre rewarded for being sneaky and manipulative and get away with it
What's the consequence? If I'm sat here alone, self righteous and mature - what difference does that make to anyone, including myself?
If people act a certain way and have women, have success, have money - then it is a tough sell to say they are wrong and immature, even to the most stoic of observers.
Spot on
Great conversation bit! 👏
First! Listening now.
@TheAj0323 getting the podcast late, is better than not getting the podcast at all 😊
I would interpret this as a form of immaturity, being first doesn't make you better or able to comprehend the ideas deeper than others. You should really reflect on this grave error. Go make your bed.
@@UniverseSpeck lol. You're thinking too much.
This is an ultimate form of nurture vs nature where we can obviously mature past immaturity AND this is the point of civilization - gives us a purpose to live everyday.
What are you on about? Complete garbage. I can also tell you know nothing about psychology if you’re still talking about nature vs nurture
My stepson is 9 years old. He doesn't stand a chance. The damage was done by the time he was 5 when they gave him a "tablet". He is completely disconnected from reality.
Seems a little early to write someone off...
@@michaelnoble2432 exactly! And especially when the solution is pretty straight forward, limit his consumption, he cant buy his own tablet
@michaelnoble2432 I'm afraid for him. It's unfortunate that his father fosters this behavior. Showing love ..Hopefully he matures
He's gonna need leader somewhere....
@bashvash my son is really trying and despite what he does in his adult life, he's had a lot of love a good life lessons. his father will buy him out of any bad choices..so, that's where I get pessimistic.