Repairing/reflowing a graphics chip on a laptop motherboard. Toshiba L505D
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- Опубликовано: 14 сен 2016
- In this video I show how to reflow the solder under a graphics chip. The laptop was not giving video or showing any other signs up booting up.
I began with troubleshooting steps to rule out a problem with the screen and RAM memory. Next I disassembled the laptop to get to the motherboard. I reflowed the solder under the GPU and reassembled the laptop.
It worked. The computer booted into Windows.
This is the hot air rework station I use in the video. I've had it for 2.5 years.
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thank you for this video i followed your steps i have a Toshiba Satellite L505D and its around 8yrs old, it has the same exact issue with the one your working with and i already had it fixed but after a month it just wont turn on anymore,today i decided to give it another try and did the reflow myself but instead of using a flux i just heated the video chip using the a hair drier and aluminum foil and cleaned the heat sink,at first try it didnt do nothing so i used the hair dried again to heat the video chip again.......VOILA!!! it suddeny turned ON!! i was about to keep this laptop in the closet but i guess it still has a lot more to do with this......im using the laptop right now while doing this comment!! thanks again for the video you HELPED ME ALOT!!! BTW this is my very first laptop given to me by my uncle as a present from Calfornia......im from the Philippines :-)
bossing? mga ilang minuto mo blinower?
salamat po same problem 6months na hindi ko pa din ginagalaw
ilang mins?
HOw long did the fix last in the end?
@@dalenewton9697 if you get lucky after a month depends on the condition of the video card
My laptop has been broken for nearly a year I got bored and fixed it thanks to this video can't believe it worked!
Temperature and timings? ?
@@explodeme8712 220V 40SEC A 2 MIN
One of the best videos of this kind out there. And I am talking about the way you present your work, the details and not by the result.
Integrated graphics with the CPU is the way to go. The reflow doesn't work long. New graphics chips are available just solder a new one in the same way as reflow - but be very accurate alignment is needed.
Bro does repairing the gpu drop in gaming performance
these vids are great, would like to see some actual times and distances for the hot air gun. 220C is fine, but for how long and at what distance? Id go a little higher than 220 as stated. reflow profiles are usually ramp up to 200-220 for 4 minutes, then spike at 235-250 for 30-60 seconds then bring it down to room temp over another 3 minutes. you can just use your distance to increase the heat if you set your gun at 250. thermocouples are inexpensive but should be kapton taped to the top of the chip so as to reduce the hat air acting right on the tip. for the price of a $60 hot air rework station, this is a profitable fix.
Replace the chip if you want peace of mind. Most times it's the heating of the failing chip itself, not the sodder that temporarily fixes your problem.
Does repairing the gpu drop gaming performance
@@darinbarman9994 Nah
Same issues i have with toshiba sattelite c660-21q after repaste was artefacting and doing this thing and heating fast after powering on for several times,i will wait the flux and see if it will have effect after reflow.previous owner was playing on laptop and not paying attention to temps and got cold soldering
I have one of those plastic small parts storage boxes and I group my screws in order and label each compartment (if needed). Very easy and organized. Also, 220 c (428 f) at about half on the air power? And on the shim thickness, maybe you want the copper shim a little thinner than the pad because the pad squishes down a little when putting the heat sync back on and you don't want too much pressure pushing down on the GPU chip cause you could end up with the same problem with the solder connections breaking... Thanks!
Dano C. Not sure what you mean by at about half on the air power. I wasn't really looking at the overall pad thickness I was actually looking at the already squished portion of the pad.
Thanks bro! I finally found out what it was with my Acer Aspire E1, it drove me nuts, there was power on the board but the laptop would turn on and shut off after 3 seconds.
Did you fix it?
When you upgrade ram be careful a lot of times the screen will blow(glow) but it will take it a good minute or two for the BIOS to recognize it and Reset
This video helped so much! Thank you! I was able to do this same repair.
I repaired this for a friend, and have not heard of any issues yet. Seems like we're good so far!
Bro how do you know you have graphics card issue in laptop
@@adamwoodruff7791 i also have that issue is there any way to connect with you please 🥺
What symptoms is the laptop having?
Go to there channel here on RUclips, to the about tab and click the button to reveal my email address.
Fantastic, clear concise and easy to follow video - thank you for sharing your expertise/knowledge!
excellent. Nice and slow and clear tutorial thank you . I have lots of Motherboards to try this on thanks
Hey big THX from Germany. You have rescue my first Gaming-Notebook from 2009. I bought it from my first apprentice salary. repaired with a Laser Thermometer and a Hot Air gun. Many Thanks
Phunk Star Well done, I like it. You used the laser thermometer to determine the temperature you were getting the chip to with a heat gun correct?
Yes I had a lying around. And I have seen that the temperature should be about 240 degrees. I install all drivers now
@@q64qw65 only for some weeks.
Not worth it in my opinion.
Amazing! You touched on a few things I've never seen before [despite watching probably hundred's of RUclips vids on the subject] : Heat Shields and easy DIY shields from Al Foil, in addition to Heat Shock and slow temp adjustments of the component. And yes, I learned something important, the Al Foil heatshield tactic. Thnx,
I normally remove the glue before heating - this allows a nudge on the chip to check if balls have melted - using a carefully selected shim will give great results but reflows on chips like GPU's are touch and go for how long they last - this is why a reball is always better but is a pain in the ass to do
good job … have to admit I had never heard / read about the term 'reflow' until I searched for my problem and reached some links including this one …my problem however, is not with my Toshiba's main display, which is working fine … it's the secondary external monitor that was also working fine for about a year or so until a few days ago it started giving me trouble by turning the HD off when the monitor is connected!at first I thought it was a PSU problem (I don't use the laptop's battery: it's dead!) that cannot power up the HD anymore due to old age or something because I also have some other memory stick and wireless mouse receiver etc gizmo connected as well ... but eventually, it turned out to be the secondary monitor that when connected, causes the HD to stop working, thus turning the system entirely OFF!weird stuff really as after more than 3 decades of working with all kinds of computers I have never seen something like this happen!both the monitor as well as the laptop are ok, they worked together quite finely too, but now it's happening like this! such a bore indeed because I've been using my main computer and this laptop and other computers with an extra monitor added for a long time now and having to go back to a single monitor feels so darn like living in the stone age!any clues anyone please?laptop: TOSHIBA Satellite L645 (purchased in 2010 but been retired for a number of years since 2015 maybe, back to service since last year …)
I would make sure to run a day long GPU stress test just to be sure the problem doesn't crop up again through the resoldering being incomplete. Just booting into Windows isn't enough to test if your operation was a success.
I literally just did this operation three days ago and just ran Furmark for 24 hours, GPU at +/- 70 degrees.
Also, if you're going to use tin foil, make sure that it's pushed around the edges of the chip and really seals it off, otherwise you've got hot air just travelling underneath and if you give that board a tap, another component might get affected.
Still though, I've fixed many computers using this method, before I had a heat gun, I used a stack of coins and a blowtorch, testing it first on a loose piece of soldering iron to check the time required to melt :P
Very true. Good point.
Sweet :D, keep on fixin!
Some down to earth sensible teachers here!
I've just been gifted a very high spec I7 laptop with exactly this issue! Common issue on Toshiba's so annoying it took them so long to rectify
I think the owner of this Toshiba laptop mainly used the numeric keyboard, the Enter key och the minus sign.
Don't ask me how I know.
Relowing can be hit and miss. But thanks for showing how is done
hii,
you did it very nicely.
i would wanted to do those as well, but sadly i don't have the heat gun.. so, just to fix a laptop that is not starting up... not worth to buy one unit. because i never know if it will be fix or not..
you video is very good.. detailed and actual. thanks appreciate your effort and time.
btw, the laptop that i mentioned , it powered on but no beep, no post, no display.. hardisk spins like it is reading data.. (this laptop has got totally no led indicator at all, but power on led avail..
model is samsung NP270E5U. i believe is quite an old laptop, but my friend like to use it, so she refuse to just buy a new one.
i oped the whole thing up, remove the ram, hdd, screen connector.. battery.. also tried to discharge the electricity inside by pressing the power button without power feed and battery.. but still doesn't boot up.
then i gave up. put everything back. and when i just anyhow press the power button again, and immediately with the function buttons.. i can't remember which exactly function button i pressed, but i know i pressed F12, then F2 ....etc.. the laptop just suddenly jump up to life.. and boot into windows.
any idea how to go about making it works ?
appreciate it.
thanks
andrew
andrew ysk So when you put everything back together you got it to boot up? If that's the case then that's great. On a few occasions I've had a computer that would not give video and just by taking everything apart and putting it back together it started working. When this happens it's difficult to know why. Never look a gift horse in the mouth.
Hii Michael,
yes, it did boot up , but only once.
then it don't boot up anymore..
do you have any idea what could be the problem since it can boot up.. once (thats when i randomly pressed the function keys.. trying to get into bios.. thinking the display is not good..
i would like to connect the laptop to external screen, but apparently i only have a lcd tv with scart connector.. no VGA port.. it does have HMDI, but i believe HMDI always says no signal at the initial boot of laptop.. until it is well inside the windows environment.
andrew ysk difficult to say why it only boot at once. You might try the computer with just one ram stick and then swap it out for the other one to see if it's a problem with the ram. If that's not it it's almost certainly something with the motherboard. Take a look at the motherboard and get a model number on it and do a search for that on eBay and see how much it will be. Very often laptop motherboards are only about 50 bucks.
there is only 1 slot of ram.. only 1 ram.
Its good. But you should test 1st before reassembling the parts. To make it sure.
A lot of good lessons there, *Thanks*
edit what is that liquid flux called? could you use solid pieces of rosin around the chip,melt them with the hot air,would it also flow the same all over under the chip?
What is liquid soldering flux?
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Liquid soldering flux is applied to the circuit board assembly to help the molten solder to flow and form a high-quality solder joint. The liquid flux removes oxides from the metal surfaces and enables them to be joined together by solder. ... Liquid fluxes are available in no clean and water-soluble formulations
Hey, my laptop is working, but the integrated GPU(RX 560x) is not being detected in the Windows, only the APU(Vega 8) is working, do you think this will fix it??
No. Contact the manufacturer for help
Ur laptop is nitro 5 AN515-42 model right i have the same model my rx560x is showing in device manager but the moment i install drivers laptop freezes. Acer sucks btw
don't use metal plates instead of thermal pads folks. it's too risky. if it's thinner: chip's going to overheat, if it's thicker: you may crack the silicon. use good quality thermal pads.
Merci 😊 i don't know how long it will last. But it worked 👌🤙🤙🤙
Toshiba Satellite L 555-130
I used my hair dryer 🤪
Bonne journée 😊
How long in minute you use your hair dryer? *sorry for bad english
@@robbyivanhidayat2957 hi it has to be really hot... But you have to go down on to videochip progressively... Not to hot at once... I did it at least 4 minutes... Good luck 👍
Doing circles... And when done...don't move the mother board untill cooled down..
@@vitocorleone3531 Okay, thank you so much! 🙌
This is an old thread but I have a unique problem but similar. I will try for some of your expert advice since nobody seems to post on this exactly the same as my problem. I have an older 2005 NX9030 Compaq notebook. Recently the laptop's screen started a type of rolling pixelating and would go blank occasionally. Not black but it seems the inverter is working since I can change the brightness of the screen but only the whiteness since the actual picture stopped with the rolling pixelating and now is just blank. I should point out early on just tapping around the computer would bring back the picture for a while but now that doesn't help anymore.
I can plug a VGA monitor in and works just fine. I can deduce I have either a problem with the laptop screen or the onboard graphics chip has partially disconnected from the board. I tried taking the battery out and hitting the power button for 60 sec. with no power since that is some people's suggestion but no success. My question is there a program that will test if the screen is damaged or the GPU chip? I have used several old computer programs that test the computer like Sandra and they say the graphics are fine. I know VGA is analog and the laptop screen is digital like DVI (I think it is anyways). Is that what it is the digital part of the chip is disconnected but a test program wouldn't know if the output is disconnected but is still functioning? I really don't want to reflow the GPU but I will if someone is sure that would help. Buying a new monitor and then finding it's not the monitor would suck. The internal connection to the board is good. Any suggestions to pinpoint the problem?
this is defiantly a temporary fix. I've seen proof that these chips will react the same way just by simple heating them to 100c - 120c which is obviously way below melting point. and its because the chip itself is faulty. when you heat them up they expand on the inside and whatever is broken can shift its position to work again, (for a little time then it will get out of place again a cease to operate)
That may be true in some situations but I've fixed several computers this way and they are still working years later.
there is the argument that its not the reflow of solder that fixes the problem but simply the heat on the structure of the chip because these problems usually reoccur and some say a lower then melting temp of solder placed on the chip can solve the problem too. I'd try a lower heat first and see how it responds before going to the higher temps for solder reflow if not for the only reasons to see if it was solder problem or chip problem.
Trying a lower temperature first doesn't make sense to me in the real world. You would have to reflow or heat the processor to a lower temperature and reassemble the computer to see if it worked. Why not heat the processor to the point where the solder reflows? You're only doing it once that way. Who cares if it's the internal structure or the broken solder links? The bottom line is you just want it to work. Why run the risk od doing it twice?
@@MichaelTheComputerGuy the risk will be worth knowing if you've fixed the solder joints permanently or if the chip will have a reoccurring problem. If that info is not important then I agree, do the full heat reflow and take the gamble with knowing the reliability.
@Michael Cooper,
My laptop has similar problem... It went off while playing dota2.... Its an integrated AMD graphic card, which i think got over hearted....
The video card is not shown in the device maanaager, and when i try to install the drivers of my graphic card, my PC freezes, which needs force restart... Assist me please
Hi there, it was one of your best tutorial videos. keep it up . thnx
Hello, your video is very good. Can I ask where you put the liquid you put on the lightning chip when heating it?
. . . should have cleaned out the blower at this time . . . hindsight is always 20/20; isn't it?
Awesome video Michael! Can I ask you for an opinion? I repasted my dedicated graphics card (Nvidia) but I think some
isopropyl alcohol got below the chip without notice. I powered on the laptop, the graphics card worked very well for some minutes and then it died (or at least it is not detected anymore). Do you think this method can fix my laptop? (it is just one year old, my warranty have just expired)
I really don't know.
@@MichaelTheComputerGuy thanks for your answer.
...isopropyl alcohol evaporates in seconds ...
Nice tutorial and you did it by the book.
Supper helpful video, it worked for me 😁 thank you so so much ,you are the best 👍👍
hi.... how are you....thank you for the wonderful video... i got a Q regarding using hot air gun... as you said it can give thermal shock to the components.... so is't a good idea to preheat the board before going for reflow process ? its my personal way... no offense plz..
اخوان تجنبو وضع السيلكون كما فعل في الفيديو وذلك لاحتواء الدوائر الكهربائية على فولتيه قليله وعند وضع السلكون سيكون هنالك شورت مما يودي الى عطل بعض الاجزاء وانا قد وقعت بنفس المشكله
Hey, I hv lenovo laptop series z51-70, there is a problem, the graphic card amd r9 m375 is not showing in device manager as well as not working . Please suggest me. I think it is dead, aur something else.
I think this is a temporary fix. If it overheats again its most likely not gonna work.
RexakonGaming The Copper shim between the chip and the cooler will help with that. I also warned the owner to only use it on hard surfaces. With laptops if you set them on a soft surface like a blanket or pillow that can block the air intake for the cooler.
Ohhh how manny time i do thath on seweral laptops... & yes its a temporary fix/ing, & depent wich lap you have... on one lap MSI i do this easy becouse there are not manny scrue to get on chip (gpu...) still work 10 years... (; (sry for my eanglis....) end thx for vids... take care on laps when you fixing, put somefinge down to not scrach or damage hard without reason... by-by... (;
@@Reparanoia I haven't heard from the client so I can't say for sure.
@@MichaelTheComputerGuy
Symptoms...Black screen.
Also when I start laptop from cold. Fan runs. Cd player clicks. Then fan stops and seems off. A minute or two later I hear the fan running. Still black screen.
I have tried static discharge. Removed cmos battery for 45 seconds. Disconnected screen and tried external monitor.
Will bad graphics chip cause the startup fail?
Thanks
Thanks for the video but i have a sensitive question and don't know if i can have an accurate answer... Could the vga just die?
and i have heard that some HP modules graphic chips won't work by that way, any clue about that?
and a third question sorry for b
asking much, if i advice customer to use the laptop over surface or use fan under laptop, will that make it live like the original way it came from manufacturer or shall i say that it will break down some day?
Thanks again for sharing support.
Yes, the chip can just die and doing this won't help that. It's worth a try though.
Thank you for reply
So by this method, we try to save the chip...
If the screen won't go on then vga needs replacement or new motherboard....
Thus we get back to the question about if the life of the vga in this way is almost same as new or we can call it half life chip?
This method doesn't fix the chip rather is reconnects the chip to the motherboard. The length of time it will work varies a lot. I've got a few weeks of use out of this fix and I've had computers run for years after this fix. There really isn't any way to know. Still worth a try.
Thank you again
My hp lcd shows white vertical bar 0.5cm but it wasnt the tcon is it the gpu when i removed the heat sink on my hp dv7 to apply thermal paste reassembled now caps and num blinks 4 times black screen fan spinning backlight is on then tried to reflow the gpu but without flux this time laptop turn on and shut itself off immediately is it a failed reflow do i have to apply flux
Hello, Michael! I'll use your instructions to repair a Dell with a 630m. Louis Rossmann (the Apple guy) mentioned some nVidia chips will work again after heating above 120°C. I'll try your reflow, though. How long from did you take to go from room temp to 220 degrees, how long did you stay on 220 and how long you took to remove the air? Thanks!
A few minutes for each step is good. As long as you're doing it go to 220c.
By bringing your PCB/chip/solder up to only 220 degrees, you're not going to achieve a proper solder joint. If the solder balls are typical SAC305 alloy, reaching the 217-220C melting point isn't enough to actually achieve a proper solder joint. You need to hit around 235 for 40-60 seconds. What might be buying you some leniency here is that the solder paste that was used on the PCB during assembly may have had a much lower melting point than 220. Otherwise, this wouldn't work. How are you pre-heating your PCB prior to applying reflow temperatures? No anti-static precautions?
CBTalon97 In the research I've done 220 degrees is enough to melt the solder. Where are you getting the 235 degree number?
Michael Cooper that's a typical peak temperature required to achieve a proper solder joint. It's dependant on the type of alloy being used. Usually for about 30-60 seconds over 220. Too long and you'll see very grainy solder joints, too short and you get cold solder and a poor inter-metallic layer. What may be your saving grace is the fact that the solder paste used during assemly along with with the SAC305 balls is from a lower melting point alloy. This will result in a lower melting point for thr combined alloy. If you find a datasheet for any given solder paste you can see the reflow profile characteristics required to get a reliable and proper solder joint and add to long term reliability.
I still find it impressive that folks like yourself are finding success with home made solutions. I'm just trying to be constructive as I'm in the industry.
CBTalon97 I appreciate the feedback. I'll try raising up the temperature to the point you recommend and see if the success rate or duration of fix increases.
Michael Cooper I'm also curious what your actual temperatures are i.e. surface and internal. I'd say it's obvious that you're successful in melting the solder, as the chip is now functional, but setting the gun to 220C presumably only sets the output temperature. Unless it also monitors the temperature of whatever it's pointing at, you are only hitting an approximate value.
This is of particular interest to me as I am preparing to repair my own GPU using this method (GTX 760, and yes, I know that I should start at 150C for that one), but I am using a cheap heat gun in conjunction with an infrared thermometer. I've got a pretty repeatable setup on my bench for distance from the work vs surface temp, but I thought I'd ask here to get your thoughts before i take the plunge.
Great vids and super helpful BTW. Keep Up the good work!
Trevor Brummel That's true without measuring it I don't absolutely know what temperature I'm getting solder to. I'm curious where you got the 150 degrees C temperature for your video card.
Curious if this would be what's wrong with my lenovo with NVIDIA chip. It comes on runs for few then cuts off. But if press where chip is it will come back on
Sounds like the same issue I'm fixing in the video. The chip overheats to the point it breaks the soldier joints underneath the chip. This procedure may get yours working. If its under warranty let Lenovo deal with it.
How can I test laptop faulty onboard, on-motherboard memory and to replace it? Not the removable laptop memory.
thank you very much helped hope that it will work for a long time thanks again
Hello sir
I have a *hp dv6* laptop I've fixed it some way
But will it keep working for a long time or is it just a short period of time to work ?? in My country
money that takes a lot of half the price of a new laptop
Mohammed Malkawi There's no way to know. I have some laptops that I reflowed years ago and they're still working. I've also had a few laptops fail after about a week.
Yes on what I think is just luck
But I know my luck was bad *lol* okay sir Thank you for Reply
OMG MAN YOUR AWESOME THANK U SO MUCH I SWEAR TO GOD IT WORKED PERFECTLY I JUST HAVE A QUESTION....IS IT GONNA BE DEAD AGAIN OR BLACK SCREEN AGAIN
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It might. Plan on getting a new laptop.
@@MichaelTheComputerGuy HOW LONG IT WILL TAKE TO BE DEAD AGAIN MY LAPTOP IS BRAND NEW I JUST CHANGE THE THERMAL PASTE THEN I HAD THIS ISSUE
@@bilalbilo1794 If it's really brand new it has a warranty or you can take it back where you bought it. If it's in warranty let the manufacturer deal with it.
The only time I cringed was 'pull it by the cord'.......and the foil. I use Kapton tape, it's cheap and readily available.
Kapton tape has a degree of heat and electrical resistance. It wont absorb the heat like the foil will.
the ide of the foil is to disperse the heat away and protect the components underneath. Kapton tape doesn't do that. Kapton tape could have been used to stick down the GPU to make sure it didn't move under the heat, but it would not have any other effect in this instance.
I have lg nexus 5x, it can bootloop at any time cause of the breaking connection of the chip to the motherboard, can this fix apply to it? Have you ever done this with phones? Is there a video? Ty!
It's pretty common for 5x to bootloop after warranty... :(
dude flash custom rom like ressurection remix 7.1.2 or lineage os or some cyanogenmod it's eazy
hello this is a nice video and i have some questions
my laptop GTX1070 was dead so i wanna repair it but my reflowing machin has no temp. lcd so how can i fix it, and how long do i need to heat it??
I’ve just fixed my gtx 1070 laptop, my heat gun didn’t have a temp reader either, as long as you are 2cm away from chip and keep circling around the chip for about 1 or 2 min, ya should be fine, fixed mine.
@@RabbitAndBush nice i got 1060 acer laptop and it after 98c its closed and i have on windows error 43 shall i give it a try ?
I have a picture showing how my laptop hp graphic crush and turn into black how could I communicate with i really can't find a help and i need ur help, please
I have a Thinkpad 480T with 2 beeps, no boot and no video. Ram and power supply have been tested and lights appear when turning on. Does the error preclude trying this?
This would be for reflowing a graphics chip on a motherboard. I don't think that laptop has one.
@@MichaelTheComputerGuy Thanks. It does have integrated CPU graphics so I assume it would require replacing the motherboard.
@@leonicholson9382 Yes. Have the motherboard repaired or replace it.
What type of Flux i Need? And how Time is during the reflow Process?
Its no clean flux. Any should work. I got mine on Amazon. The timing is pretty well shown in the video. I take a few minutes dropping the gun down, several seconds on the chip, moving it around if the chip is large and then a few minutes raising the gun up.
Can you download the service manuals, as a PDF? Thanks do the manuals have info on replacing the CPU or HDD based on specs? 🤔 You may not know, but can the CPU be upgraded on that board? I have a Toshiba laptop, think it has the same problem, but want to have all supplies at hand before starting this operation! 🤓 Should the CPU be removed before heating the GPU? Do you have a video of a good temp & time for the reflow?
HP, Dell and Lenovo let you download manuals in pdf but most others including Toshiba do not
@@MichaelTheComputerGuy thank you. The irisvista, think that's the site, has some toshiba manuals? Also, when you replaced the thermal pad with a copper shim, does that help with heat transfer compared to just the pad? Thanks 🤓
@@MichaelTheComputerGuy I checked the irisvista site, but the Toshiba model I have wasn't on the list.
@@j.lietka9406 Search Google for the model number of the laptop and disassembly. You may not find yours exactly but looking at similar models should help. A copper shim is better than a pad but if the chip is working just keep the pad there.
@@MichaelTheComputerGuy ok thank you 🤓
Can I apply this method on Sony vaio e series (amd) laptop...???
Sir i hve hp g61 laptop i juat finished to clean my laptop screen inside cos some water drops go inside. So i finished to clean but now its not turn on bcos i forgot to remove battery. While i plugout wire hmmm helpe wt ido now? Nd when i plug power coad so charging led on. But when i clixk on power button so laptop motherboard wont turn on hmmmmmm plz plz hellp help help
Hi, thanks for the info it is a great video, I have a question... can you relofw a CPU with integrated video?
HeyDan1983 I'm afraid not.
Thanks for the reply!
@@MichaelTheComputerGuy Why not ?
@@xwatchid If the cpu is soldered on I suppose you could but CPUs don't allow themselves to overheat to the point where they would break away from the board. These older gpus didn't have the ability to detect overheating and slow themselves down. Newer gpus and I think all CPUs can keep themselves from getting to hot.
@@MichaelTheComputerGuy the only way they have to prevent overeat is whille they are working, they just shut the whole machine, when they are just off and sodered like any other component on the board there is no way they can do anything since they are off already isn't that right? in my way of viewing it, you will probably need more or less temperature depending on the size of the chip and on the amount of self eat resistence it has to suport eat :s
or am I wrong? I'm just asking cause I really would like to know if there is anything else that can make you not be able to reflow something cause of some phisical barrier
since im trying to learn and fix stuff that I kept around and are broken and since I have the equipment to do it now
I've seing multiple videos on chip rebaling and it works on every chip as far as I know, if they are sodered you can take it out and replace, and I also know that it is a complet diferent thing and is better to be donne with specialized machines who spread the heat evenly in the cheap area only, but the procedure is the same on every chip, all you need to pay atention is to the eat that the cheap can take, to avoid frying the chip if you put it to hot...
I have a Predator helios 300 17" Keyboard leds light up when powered on but no screen, no external screen through HDMI. replaced ram, nothing! could this remedy work?
Contact the manufacturer. Even if it's out of warranty they can fix it for a fee.
Really? Why would they do that if it's out of warranty?
I hv a Sony vio lap with same issue?. Would like to try this technique but don't have a hot air gun and flux. How about reballing the chip? Would that be a permanent fix though? Just curious to know
Reballing would be the best permanent fix. If you have the equipment that's the way to go.
If the reflow didn't work, what would have been the next step? Also at what point do you call it quits?
The next step if it doesn't work is to replace the motherboard.
Instead of heat gun can we use a soldering iron for reflowing ? Also if gpu is the problem can't we just remove the gpu to fix the problem ?
I soldering iron wouldn't work. The proper way to do this is with a bga rework station, which I don't have. This is a work around that I've had good results with.
nice video sir.
is it possible to use thermopad again instead of the copper shim ??
(which is not available in my region)
The problem with copper shims is that they are electrically conductive. If you take a look around the GPU, you will see many other small components. Should the shim touch any of these, then it will fry your GPU.
Thermal pads and most thermal paste isnt conductive, so its far safer.
If heat reduction was a concern, I would use a thermal pad branded "Thermal Grizzly", its an amazing product and is 100% safe and very effective. I don't know of any PC tech that would dream of using a copper shim.
@@Christopher_T_Paul Given that this is a short term fix until the GPU overheats again, it seems like the best thermal conduction possible would be wanted, even if there was a chance of shorting. Once the shim is locked down by the heat sink, it's not going to move. If a technician is careful, would you not think that the risk of frying the GPU is very small compared to the almost certain death of the GPU by overheating?
Hello, I have just followed your suggestions 'cause I had your same problem (black screen); after done everything, I try to power on the pc but, this time, I have a white screen... What have I done uncorrectly? Have I burned my VGA or just not done correct the fix procedure? Thanks
Andrea Buzzacchino It's difficult to say what's going wrong. What did you use to reheat the solder?
Thanks for your answer: I have just used a heat gun (it has a button just with 2 levels of power: 1 maximum 350 degrees, the one I chose). The strange thing is that when I was heating I saw some bubbles coming out from the board on the green part so I stopped heating ( see this image please ibb.co/eSpPy7 )
All you need to do is heat it up? No soldering?
That special screw..for cooling fan mounting you didn't put back...
Yep
What's the flux and why do you use that
And also telk the time and temperature timing ✌✌✌✌
flux is a cleaner for the solder. I put the chip under 230 degree C temperature for a few minutes. The video shows it.
@@MichaelTheComputerGuy few minutes is not a technical number man??
@@MichaelTheComputerGuy cleaner for a solder? hahahaah
Good end good work, well done bro
Should I try this or replace my whole motherboard? My caps lock blinks once and I already replaced the cpu it worked for a day then started to blink once again
Exactly my problem, my HP pavilion DV6 has to overheat before it starts
Hi there!
I have the same problem on my sony vaio 17 inch series. I heated it 2 times up but i dont have flux... i do have thermal paste yet i dont know how long i have to heat it up with the heat gun.. and also if it doesn’t work what could i try to fix it? I cleaned the rams swapped them out switched them, left only one just to test if the other one was faulty... but still no success... i also cleaned the gpu with ethanol still no success... maybe i didn’t hold it long enough to warm up the chip? And also there is some guys talking about invertors whats that? Could that be the issue ?
Maybe you are over thinking it. It could be a good old screen fault.
Try connecting the laptop to a monitor or TV and see if you get a picture.
The inverter is for an LCD screen (not LED) and usually sits just underneath the screen and is about 3-4 inches long. If it was an inverter fault, you usually see a very, very feint image on the screen. Shining a torch may help you see the image better. The inverter just controls the backlight of the screen.
thanks bro for the good show..
Howmuch time and how much temperature ? Thank you.
22:32
Hello, Michael. I have a Dell laptop with a nVidia 630m that's giving Device Power Failure errors on Windows. The error - freezing - also occurs when I run linux so I believe it's not a software issue - I have done everything I read softwarewise to solve this problem. Do you think a reflow on the chip could fix it? I'm also looking into using LM thermal compound since the machine gets pretty hot and I live in a tropical country. What do you think about Liquid Metal compunds? Thanks!
Very slow could help. It's hard to say for sure. Replacing the current thermal compound with liquid metal would be a good first step. While you're in there you can clean out the cooler.
@@MichaelTheComputerGuy Thanks, Michael! Will do that!
I have a problem on my Toshiba laptop and I haven't idea.. I have installed the Nvidia Drivers for my laptop orginally, ( The correct Drivers ). And after I installed, also after restarting my laptop, They will not open anymore. It's continously restarting.. Should I Reflow it or not ?..
It could be a problem with the chip but it might be something software or driver related. If you have an extra hdd or ssd you can put in the computer try replacing the current drive and reinstalling Windows. If it still reboots after loading the graphics drivers it means it's a hardware problem. If it doesn't its a software or driver problem on the other drive.
@@MichaelTheComputerGuy I have another problem with my old laptop.. I did Reflow, and when I did it, I heard a knock sounding like a bomb, but really less audible and after that reflow, I couldn't get a display anymore. The lights go on, the fan works too, Caps-lock lights on too, but no Display. I think I have to reball it ... This is my chance in this world..
Great Video! My moms Acer overheated and shut down. When she let it sit for awhile and restarted it she got a black screen. I checked it out and it still turns on ect..but no video on screen or external screen. I have checked everything else to check before I start to attempt a reflow. I don't have the hot air tool you have and they are over $300 here in Canada so that's out of the question. So is it possible to use a heat gun for it? Do I need to use the flux stuff you used? I don't know where to buy it? What is it called? I have also watched videos of using the oven?? The problem with the oven method is the bios battery is soldered to the motherboard on one side. Thanks any help is appreciated Michael!
I've only seen cmos batteries soldered to motherboards in very low end systems. A system like that wouldn't have a GPU so this fix doesn't apply. What model Acer is it?
Oh thank for answering me. The laptop is a Acer aspire 5534. It says it has a ATI Radeon HD3200 Graphics.. I can see the chip on the board. It is covered with the copper pipe going to the fan....
I would give the heat gun a try. The difficulty would be getting the chip to 220C. Maybe also get a laser thermometer to read the temp the chip is getting to as you lower the high gun down to the chip. You can get the no clean flux on Amazon. Just search for it.
oK great I'll get some of that flux stuff and give it a try...
Would this flux stuff work?
www.amazon.ca/MG-Chemicals-Corrosive-Conductive-residue/dp/B005DNR01Q/ref=pd_sim_328_3?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=GMCHJ8NR86RMDWMCXCXS
muzicmax G This is the stuff I use. They link is to amazon Canada because I think that is where you are. www.amazon.ca/gp/aw/d/B008Q1F92E/ref=mp_s_a_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1517793595&sr=8-8&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_FMwebp_QL65&keywords=no+clean+flux
How to fix the Code 43 error in a nvidia 1070 mas q design? Im never buying ASUS again becasue of this scam
@The Grand GamerZ nothing looks like its fried
I know that my laptop has this exact problem. How do i do this at home? I don't have a heat gun.
Supersaiyan Limitbreaker You can buy one. Some are good & cheap. But I would recommend to buy a more expensive one on amazon. Because some cheap heat guns can’t Handel the high temperatures for so long.
Does make any sense to reassemble before testing You could also have spared us the disassembly and reassembly altogether
For people who aren't experienced assembling and reassembling a laptop showing it in a video is helpful.
@@MichaelTheComputerGuy Yes, we're not all at the same experience level. No need to "spare" us from disassembly:" I simply skipped to the part I didn't know. I appreciate how thorough you are, Mr. Cooper. You must have very happy customers.
Nice work! Do you ever replace entire soldered CPU?
Thanks. No I don't have the equipment to do that.
@@MichaelTheComputerGuy offcourse. my first reball equipment cost 30euros and reballed about 50 chips with it. u must be reall poor
@@MichaelTheComputerGuy Yes to properly reball a large bga like cpu takes very expensive equipment. Watch Louis Rossman video about his $3K bga reball equipment. Small bga chips can be reballed using hot air station, but even then it's hit and miss. Of course shabby technicians claim they can do large bga chip reaball by hand, but the result is something Louis would laugh at. According to Louis 95% of money is made by circuit repair and only 5% require bga reball. Bga reball is often a time consuming rabbit hole and it's least favored repair for Louis Rossmann.
Hi, I think this video should have been split into two. The first would cover the newbie stuff about general diagnosis tips, and the second would cover the chip-reflow fix proper. Note that I found this video when checking about diagnosis for computers that won't start: this came up via autoplay.
I gave the video a thumb's up nonetheless, as you covered good tips (e.g., screw placement near components during the disassembly) and the reflow process was quite interesting. However, I was disappointed that so little time was spent on diagnosing the graphics card issue, compared to the newbie-oriented computer-won't-start diagnosis at the beginning. That and the disassembly took about 20 minutes. (I was expecting something like a multimeter-type diagnosis to show that the graphics chip was not getting proper signals.)
By the way, is there a way to get the transcription added to the video? That would be helpful for review, as the reflow part mentioned a lot of terms I am not familiar with (such as the fluid to loosen the solder).
Q: Can u reheat the solder under a CPU or GPU off the motherboard so you can replace it with an upgrade?
It's possible if you have the right equipment. Doing it to like I'm doing here is not good enough to actually remove and replace the chip. You would also have to make sure that the motherboard can handle the new chip.
@@MichaelTheComputerGuy I need to replace a physically broken cpu chip on my Mobo. What would be the difference in the heating process to be able to remove the old chip, and isntall a new one?
@@RafaelSoaresP That is completely different from reflowing a chip. You really need specialized equipment to get that done. Not something you would do at home. If you only need to do one you're better off taking it to a repair place that can do a component level chip replacement. It's most likely cheaper just to buy new motherboard. It may not be as each if that's at fault. It maybe some other components on the motherboard. There are places that specialize in motherboard component level repair. Do a Google search for exactly that component-level motherboard repair and you should find a few places.
Hello! I have a question, if my laptop keeps turning on and of f repeatedly every 3-4 seconds could the issue also be the graphics chip? I’ve done the same test you did at the beginning of the video. It’s not the RAM, battery nor hard disk. Would appreciate your feedback thank you!
That doesn't sound like an issue with the graphics chip. Most likely it's something else failed on the motherboard though. Do a search for the model of the laptop and motherboard to find pricing. You might also look for a model number on the motherboard itself to search for.
Thanks for the reply! I have looked at the mother lard and it ranges from 50-100 dollars. What causes this issue? I would like to know as a future reference and avoid doing the same problem. Let me guess overheating? Lol. Although a quick side note, at first it would turn on for 2 seconds and turn off. Then later on it turned on for 3-4 seconds and turned off. Seemed like it stayed on for a longer period of time. Could o be mistaken and it has something to do with the battery?
You can test that by disconnecting the battery. The system will get power for the AC adapter. There are component level repair places that may be able to fix what is wrong with the board but it would be more expensive than just buying another for $50.
Is there a danger those very small components on top of the chip can detach doing this, how do you avoid that please ?
I haven't done this in years. I've not had any of the smaller components come off while doing this. Basically just don't touch them.
i almost have the same laptop its toshiba satellite L500 - 00W psljc00w..
my problem is, its booting normally but when i use intense graphic related such as gaming or watching video @720p it gives me bluescreen, it hangs, auto shutdown, blackscreen, it hangs then pixelated line image (like the one on matrix movie) then it gives me a solid pink or green screen etc.
it can runs and usable on a basic display driver for a 1-4hrs of use. but when i use a display driver from update or any driver online i always get those said problems..
i run multiple troubleshooting like updating drivers, doing fix for bluescreens, changing cpu (@40-48 deg idle), running memtest86 for rams(rams are good pass test @4-5), cleaning, changing os from win7/10 or vice versa and even changing hdd.
do you think this will solve my problem? my last suspect is the graphics chip
Did u get the solution
I think you hidden when you test the board before getting all together... It's impossible to do a so long work without having the idea that it's gone all ok... I did the reflow process, and still managing on this to know if it's gone fine & ok... Until the very last moment...
No I actually showed everything. I put it back together without testing it.
@@MichaelTheComputerGuy you've been *SO LUCKY*!!!! What happens to me, EVERY TIME, is that (sometimes) it works OUTSIDE THE CASE, but once again inside, immediately or after a short while, I have again the very same problem! If not worse! So, if it is possible for you, if you can post a secon similar video, I'll see it immediately! thanks!
@@mariodistefano2973 If the reflow only works for a certain amount of time you might want to try increasing the temperature that you're using. If that doesn't help consider trying to find a replacement motherboard.
eureka ~ good guess work on reflow solution ... thanks
Good job. Now where are you located, I want to be a client too. Black screen, I hear the hard drive and fan. Caps lock and number locks LEDs blink every 3 seconds indefinitely. Last thing I did was try to upgrade the RAM, never came back to life. I've tried everything. HP Pavilion Entertainment Laptop dv4-2045dx. I kkep thinking I killed the motherboard by not wearing an anti-static strap. It was running the day before fine that's why I can't see if being the chip, it never ran the day I tried to swap the RAM. I can't see it overheating, certainly not that day, it was never turned on.
If that happened after you tried upgrading the ram take out the ram upgrade and put it back the way that it was. It should work. At that point you can try maybe one extra stick of RAM and then the other to try and see which one is causing the problem. It's rare but it could also just be an incompatibility between the ram you're adding and your computer.
That was the first thing I did was swap the RAM back, nothing. Tried removing the CMOS for an hour. Tried discharging the capacitors with the power button long press with the CMOS, battery and power supply removed. Tried running just the motherboard alone with only the RAM, power button and CMOS installed. Tried an external monitor after reassembly. Did not try the motherboard alone with an external monitor though, probably should have, didn't think of it at the time. Tested the power supply, it's good 19.3 volts. The CMOS was 2.89V, a little low, but funtioning. Tried with just the AC adapter, with just the batter, with both. Tried the new RAM, the old RAM, the RAM before the old RAM. Now I have it all warapped up in blankets and turned on with a thermometer against the fan output area trying to heat it up to see if it's the graphics chip.
@@dannyr403 It sounds like you've tried just about everything. I doubt the graphics chip is at fault. Try replacing the motherboard.
I do have an appointment scheduled for the 29th to drop it off to people that hopefully know what they're doing for a free diagnosis. If it sounds affordable whatever they come up with, I'll let them fix it. If it's more than 1/2 way to a new laptop, I'll just buy a new one and tinker with this one later. I did try finding a motherboard online but not a hell of a lot of luck yet.
Just a quick update ~ I wrapped it up in blankets turned on so it couldn't breath and left a cooking thermometer against the fan output vent and measured 150 degrees Fahrenheit on the air coming out of that vent for 2 to 2.5 hours. I can only assume the AMD chip was close to 200 to 225 if the air coming out was 150, but I have no real way of knowing that. I put my hand on the keyboard and determined it was hot as a mofo, and I said okay, that's enough of that! It was real hot, like dangerously hot. Like hot enough to cook an egg in about 15 minutes if I left one on there or hot enough to kill something else. Gave it about 5 minutes to cool off and powered it on, the screen immediately came back to life. Said something about Bios and CMOS and resetting something or other, couldn't get my camera out fast enough before it went away. I got the idea though, I unplugged the CMOS battery a few times and it's resetting the BIOS I assume. Anyway, didn't seem like it was doing anything after that and I got nervous. I was probably just impatient and I shut it down. Turned it on again and Windows 10 began booting up immediately. Just to test fate, because I'm a dumbass like that, I shut it down, pulled the battery, pulled the AC cord, discharged the capacitors holding the power button for 15 - 20 seconds, and swapped the 1 GB RAM stick that was still in there for a 2 GB which is what got me in this mess to begin with, or so I thought. She came right up and has been running fine for the last hour showing 4 GB of RAM now. So... what do you think?... bad AMD? ... Need a new chip, and / or to be reballed or reflowed? I don't know, you tell me. I opened up System Information and this is what it read ~ AMD Turion(tm) II Dual-Core Mobile M500 2200 MHz 2 Core(s) 2 Logical Processor(s) I don't know what that means. Might as well be Hieroglyphics... What do you think is my next step here? Give it to the techs and say change the AMD chip? Run it until it dies then try to reflow the chip after letting some liquid flux drip back there? I don't even know what the hell it is. All I know is I intentionally made a some chip get dangerously hot for 2 hours and now it's on after 2 days of black screen.
How many cm size tin plate after repair my laptop Acer Aspire 9810 my GPU? Thank you.
interesting to see you replace the thermal pad with thin copper and a thermal paste. does it better than thermal pad? and how it is compared if we just replaced the pad with thermal paste
It helped a lot for these older chips. The gap is too big for just thermal compound. The copper closes the gap
I know this is an old video, but I have an ASUS ROG laptop. When I first got it, there was no screen, like this one, but I noticed it would boot sometimes. I broke it open, and didn't really do much but reseat and reapply paste. I finally got it to show a screen, but it crashed during a benchmark. I decided to pull it out and look at it again, and it booted right up and showed a screen, but there's artifacts all over the screen from boot and inside Windows. Do you imagine it's possible reflowing would solve this issue, or is the GPU a dying lost cause?
This would not help. I would send it to the manufacturer for repair.
@@MichaelTheComputerGuy I acquired it on a electronics pallet, meaning I'm unable to RMA it, as I wasn't the first purchaser (nor have proof of purchase). Guess it's just a loss.. That sucks.
@@MrLanGT Pay them to fix it. There is an out of warranty service
What if u put a copper penny on the gpu with arctic sliver thermal paste
Demario Tennant I'm not sure if you're trolling. It's a bad idea.
l.don t have heat gun, can we use something else? what do you advise for us?
I understand you can put it in an oven but I haven't tried it.
@@MichaelTheComputerGuy thanks l will try
32:59 Where to buy a metal square? Because I needed to buy a metal square for the GPU, my fault is the GPU of my Acer Aspire 9810 laptop, where to buy it Aliexpress or ebay? There right GPU metal square? And how to last in hot weather?
Thank you
I bought these from ebay. Search for copper shims. What are you needing them for? What are you trying to do/fix?
@@MichaelTheComputerGuy I wanted to search on eBay for a metal square, I need to buy on eBay, which due to a defect in the GPU of my Acer Aspire laptop, and remind me please send us a link through eBay. Thanks
@@MichaelTheComputerGuy I wanted to find a metal square due to a defect in my Acer Aspire 9810 laptop, it is necessary to find a link from eBay, thank you
On eBay don't search for metal square. Search for copper shim.
@@MichaelTheComputerGuy We don't know where it is?
Does the soldering break only when the gpu is hot or can that happen while it's not doing anything graphics heavy? I was browsing the internet the other day, had 3 seconds of visual glitches and BSOD. Followed by Windows getting stuck on black screen when booting. A little tinkering later I can somewhat safely say it's a dedicated GC, 'cause everything else works fine, including the integrated card. Inbefore I cook the shit out of my motherboard, is there any chance it might be a corrupted chipset driver or a virus or anything of the software sort? :')
Already tried reinstalling the AMD drivers, ut just freezes the second it tries to switch to that card...
Sounds like a motherboard issue to me.
hi just looked at you video about reflowing graphics chip how does that only work with the internel graphics on the motherboard....does it work for the exsternale graphics the one on the side of your computer i just want to know if it is linked
I'm not sure what you're asking but if the issue is will the chips connection to the motherboard or to the board on a graphics card this process should work to reattach the chip.
hi sorry mate the reflowing graphics chip is that just for the onboard screen ot work .......l if i wanted to put another monitor in the out put graphics does that chip control both the onboard graphics and the out put graphics ps i hope this makes more sence..............
On a laptop the graphics chip on the motherboard controls the internal display and handles any external monitors that would connect to a VGA, HDMI or DisplayPort on the laptop. There are also USB to video output dongles that have their own graphics chip built in.
thank you
Sir can I use a candle for heating the cheap pls reply
Learn Art trolling?
Michael Cooper means
I have one question
If ssd light is not bliking than what to do
Learn Art use a flame thrower.
lol XDDDD
You'll scuff the finish on the laptop. Get like a rubber mat to put it on or something.
A rubber mat is just an extra surface which it can also get dirty. I don't know how many people have mentioned that things will get scuffed on that table but it has not happened yet. That table is extremely soft so it gets scratched by things. It does not scratch things.
good work , I'must repair my wife notebook at the same problem, how many time you stay over the chip with your gun?