I know there are lots of comments about Louis Rossman and his video, though I have had the second card revived now (although out of quite a few) come back to life. Others have had cards come back to life and last quite a while too, so perhaps there is something else to it....?
You can get cards back to life but they are dead again within weeks or months. Please don't promote this and don't sell any of these cards to any poor souls..
@@benjaminargus9563 It's a temporary fix at best. But if you're tight on money and the card is f-ed anyways why not try to heatgun some more month into it.
His swearing and yelling is funny, but Louis is also a very smart guy and explained why this usually doesn't work or only lasts a short time. Heat doesn't just damage the solder balls. The heat expansion and contraction damages the tiny traces inside the processor substrate. The only real fix is preemptive prevention. If your GPU is running over 80C, it's going to have a short life. The hotter your electronics run, the sooner they will die. Turn you fan speed up. We've know how to prevent this damage since 2007 but manufactures insist on having quiet consoles and video cards that run into the 80C's and 90C's. They don't care as long as it lasts through warranty and they want to sell you next years GPU anyway.
I found this heating up method is very short lived. Been repair hardware for years and in most cases your be lucky to get 3 months. People on Ebay do this and sell the card and some poor sucker buys it thinking its working and it fails over time.
Yeah I agree the only way to realy fix it is to replace the GPO Chip The chip heats up when the Silicon in the gpo cools down it contracts to the Silicon in the GPO chip gets miss aligned. It is expanding and contracting cause by heat that cause the Silicon channels to get misalign
I just wanted to chime in like a lot of the others have regarding the heatgun fix for graphics cards. A lot of misinformation out there regarding the fix this method actually provides, some would say stuff like it helps to fix micro fractures within the soldering, and throw up these figures about certain temperature that melts solder, etc. which aren't true at all. Long story short: due to the constant thermal cycling, cards running and being stressed, and then rapidly cooling off after the stress session's over causes thermal cycling, and over time this process causes deterioration of the graphics chip and this can also happen to memory chips. The overall heating procedure just mimics the thermal cycling and can bring the card back to life temporarily. The fix can last for five minutes, or 5 months, depending on the severity of the damage. The best way to fix the card is to replace the faulty chip. And then there are cases where it's not the chip that's actually gone bad, but something else like a bad mosfet, or a bad VRAM chip, etc. issues that could cause the card not to work. So, heatgunning/oven baking is a temporary solution, and it actually lowers or ruins the chances for a proper repair of the card. What Louis Rossmann said is correct about flip chip BGA repairs, and a lot of dishonest technicians just heats up a bad laptop graphics chip or an XBOX motherboard and gives it a 90 day warranty knowing that it'll likely get by that period, and ruins the chances of having that part properly replaced and getting proper repairs done. I wouldn't sell the GTX 650. That card will go bad in about a month or two, even sooner if stressed frequently. The best I have seen a cooked/heated card last is a 8800 GT, which was up to 6~7 months after it got out of the oven. There's a channel called Eli Tech where proper GPU repair is demonstrated, you might want to check out some of his content. Cheers, and love your content as always.
As you said it depends on the degree of damage to the components on board, though it usually dies in a few short months after and before selling anything i repaired this way i would do several continuous hours of stress testing. This method goes back a ways, the earliest i remember it personally is the ps3, though i believe it was around before that. It would fix it for a month or so at most.
@@techyescity well, the RX 570 card you yourself tried to fix is the sheer proof that this method isn't long lasting. I have seen oven baked cards last up to 7 months, then go kapoot again. This isn't a permanent fix by any means.
It can depend, but there is obviously no guarantee using this method as it's unscientific. There is a chance there was a dud solder ball or a crack between solder and pad and the heat gun reflowed it properly, making a permanent fix. But as you said, there is also a chance that isn't the problem and the result is only temporary. I'd only use this method if it was my own card, it was out of warranty and I had nothing else to lose by trying that. That is who this video should be targeted at and I think Bryan probably is targeting it at that person - the budget gamer trying to bring a card back to life vs buying a new one.
Doing this and then selling the card is 'scam', it's a temporary fix at best and therefore not ethical to sell and pass on the card. Ultimately this practice will reduce confidence in the used parts market that you and others love so much.
Exactly. Promote baking cards make used market even worse, because there will be a lot cards that will stop working soon. Because someone try to sell broken parts.
this can work, although i recommend you build a structure to support the chips underneath because if you aren't careful they will start falling off. the board isn't thick, it also doesn't have much thermal resistance. so if you melt the solder on one side, pretty good chance you have melted it on the other as well, and while surface tension should keep those little caps and resistors in place, they can fall off in this circumstance, so you want to rig up something to hold the backside in place.
I just brought back my son's GPU using the heat gun method and am very happy about it. He has a Zotac Gaming GeForce RTX2070 that was have a severe artifacting problem. I first gave it a thorough cleaning but that didn't work so I decided to try heating it and it worked beautifully. Some new thermal paste and reassembly and now she works like a charm.
Thanks, I've always used the oven method. My vega 64 just died which I was hoping would last until next gen flagships came out. I just hit it with the heat gun and its working again!
Bro add little liquid flux all around the GPU Chip and heat little more till flux totally evaporates. Flux will help in rejoining solder balls faster with less heat.
That's not a fix, because 99% of the time it is never the solder under the package, but the conncetions to the die inside the package. This is only a temporary fix that kind of remelts the bumps inside, but it will NEVER be permanent, the ONLY way to permanently fix a dead graphics card is to replace the whole GPU, but that is usually not worth it.
4:28 That's right. The repair centres in Taiwan are for their own cards only. They don't repair other brands. So Gigabyte goes with Gigabyte, ASUS to ASUS, MSI to MSI and so on.
4:39 - Sapphire doesn't have a repair centre in Taiwan. Unfortunately, I have a Sapphire R9 290 that died out of warranty. They refused to have it repaired at all, even refusing paid repair. Sapphire is from Hong Kong.
I fixed an old amd laptop’s gpu using this method, but I covered the chip in flux before I started so the solder would have a better chance of flowing properly. Still works to this day surprisingly.
As he should be, I'm far from smart on that subject but I know this is 100% the incorrect way to do this and is likely going to cause failure again down the road.
I have a GTX 560ti from Colorful and it was artefacting like crazy - I disassembled it and did the over method - 15min at 200 deg - re-themal paste and re-assemble and it has been running to this day perfectly. :D
Done the oven bake on an ASUS HD 6950 that had artefacts and it fixed it for about 2 weeks but then it went back to artefacts again. Great video though and certainly worth a try... I think it's good for creating zombie GPU's out of junk but anything modern needs a surgeon like Eli Tech to bring it back to life.
them Gigabyte Aorus, and the Ducky models were cute. B) Also, seeing what some motherboard makers were using to not-cool the x570 chipset, the models absolutely was the more attractive option. A fish has more fins than some of the chipset blocks, lol.
Used the force for 5 minutes. Why did you need the heat gun then ? Bryan lied to us about not being the Jedi Master that we need but rather the Sith Lord that we deserve.
YES!! Thank you, i just realized i have a heat gun and been hesitant to try the oven method due to the smell factor, got 3 Quadro 4000 graphics cards lined up for $20NZD that i could attempt this trick on haha just need a single slot card for a potential ITX in the future
Thank for posting I read this some that how amazing it is that there is now no where any where you can go and fix your dead graphics card. If your GPU's memory and core (there the two most important components) are not working, you just can't just go to a shop and get it repaired. This is because GPUs have all ways been “use-and-throw” type. So the only way to try to fix it is to learn to fix it our self.
I have a 9800 gt 1024 pny I purchased 14 years ago. I cleaned it with mass airflow sensor cleaner, and used a similar heat gun on the card while watching this whole video..... It worked 👍😁❤ I've heard the fix is temporary....time will tell that tale. Thank You Very Much 👍❤
Thanks for the video! I was doing some research on my next video and I found your video here (and channel). In case you're curious, I just released a video on some of the why and what on how heat works on some of these chips. I'm not sure about the details on the GPU's on the boards you are working with. Sometimes the problem is inside the chip and other times it's a problem with the solder ball(s) underneath.
Great idea! I have been thinking about trying the Oven trick on a few Video Cards lately but I have a nice Heat Gun too, so to hell with the Oven I am going to give this a try!
I have used this method today on a old GTX 580 that i got for free. This card was artifacting on desktop with green horizontal lines, drivers couldn't be installed and gpu-z didn't recognize it. So i Gave it a shot with a heatgun that is rated at 1600 watts and two fixed heating positions, #1 at 380 C and #2 at 500 C. I used position #1 for 4 minutes. And guess what? It is working fine! On the first try! It completed all benchmarks and I have been gaming on it for the past 4 hours whitout any issues, well the only thing beeing that it is an old card and every settings need to be tunned down, other than that, it's absolutely fine.
I don't know how good it works,but from what I saw,from Linus tech tips it's actually bad idea,cause he was meeting Louis rossmann and he explained how bad this idea is,and one option to try fix it is to try soldering new chip in,but it's not clear that it will work 100% also 😀
Yet it works... hmmm, paper weight to GPU seems like a miracle to me! Also Rosman is assuming ultra low temperatures (I run cards hotter than what he assumes people are reflowing, and by running I mean 120c or hotter core temp in Furmark for example). Also Rosman must be assuming I do this to my Titan Xp? No it’s $20 to $40 cards that honestly I’d use as for stops even when they are working... I wouldn’t pay someone $20 to fix them, and I wouldn’t want them wasting there time for less than $50 to $100 trying to repair it. So it works, but it may not last 100 years... though obviously it would be older than MS DOS at that point anyways! (Yes I can do some SMD reworking, but I wouldn’t take the time on cheap parts!)
@@jakegarrett8109I cant argue allot,cause actually don't have many arguments,and I didn't try to do myself,so it's not facts just kinda guessing,also saw saw method in random gaming in hd,don't remember actually channel name,but it was not working also,but probably need to try myself,just to be sure before saying something 😁
Linus demonstrated that he could revive a card baking at MUCH LESS than the melting point of solder, which shows that the theory that you're reflowing the solder is just wrong.
So brilliant thank you. I had a failing (multi coloured lines/squares) Hercules 3d Prophet, which is so important to me, as I play Star Trek New Worlds on this homebuilt Win98pc. And your cleaning, which alone didn't work, However the HotAir blower on the main GPU chip, with fan removed, heated up to 102c worked perfectly. Its playing like a trooper. Absolutely amazing, thank you very much. Regards Smudger
Worked again, this time on my Sapphire Radeon HD 7950 Vapor-X. I used a rework station. Set it to 250 C (480 F) to preheat for 20 minutes. I did this in the cardboard box the GPU came in - poked a hole for the tip of the rework blower. Cardboard does not ignite at this temperature, but I supervised with a electrical fire extinguisher just in case. ESD safe blower. I left the metal part of the heatsink on. This was just to get rid of moisture that eventually permeates the PCB over time. Tried it in the PC, still artifacting even at boot. Then I took off the heatsink and paste and pads. Upped the temperature to 300 C (570 F) for ten minutes. 3/4 inch away from the GPU die, and around the VRAM and a few other big ICs. Keep it moving at about 1 inch per second back and forth. I guess that is the Luke Skywalker method. My rework gun is only about 200 Watts. It has repaired a few cards before. I guess a heat gun is faster, but be sure to ground everything from static. I did not use anything like aluminium balls to raise it. The heat reflected from my wood table gave some heating to the underside of the PCB. But this is a work table, so covered in scratches and dents etc. I tried to run this without any fans. As this GPU is used in a workstation - with a very large expansion card fan, I tried to get by with that. It worked fine like on my other builds - but not at boot, bc the mobo fan controller has that fan off for 30 seconds. I could have just hooked up the yellow and blue wires (for RPM and PWM) from the GPU fan header to my big fan - to use it as a fan controller - but decided not to. Only one of my two GPU fans was working - the other had a worn bearing making it run slow and the two fans run off the same header - they should both spin equally. The stuck fan was slowing the good fan by sinking all the current. So I ditched the bad fan that was over the GPU die, and moved over the good fan. I had to extend the wires, with my soldering station and a little piece of vero board (proto board) to keep wires separated. Heat shrink is good. Tested and it works fine under a GPU stress test. If you were wondering if you can change a bearing. It's doable on case fans, but on these fans, the bearing access has been fusion welded shut and you would need an end-mill or a lot of dremelling to remove that bit of plastic.
Also, the GPU fan comes on at around 80 C and keeps the max temp for the card around 90 C. When off load, it switched off at 69 or 70 C. It only ramps between 70 and 90 C. Your mileage may vary. If you have a compact case with no expansion card fan, I would not game with it or do any renders until you get some new GPU fans or McGuyver some kind of extra cooling safely. This and most GPUs have thermal throttling and can switch off the card if it gets too hot. On my system the whole PC shuts down if (i force) that to happen.
Back in 2005-2012 I played with heat guns to reflow the balls on the Xbox 360 boards. I realized quick the oven method wasn't worthwhile. I also realized that placing the heat gun in the correct places to reflow each problem area, based on googling symptoms, worked about the best when I could track down the problems. I had about an 80% success rate when I knew what the issues were. 50/50 otherwise.
I found the best way is to put the pcb in the oven at 180°C, then pull it out, heat the chip to 245, then put it back in the oven and turn it of with the door slightly opened. Wait til its about 40°C
hey i do fix a lot of GPU, the heat gun method only works if: 1: boots but gives artifacts 2: get a voltmeter, put it on continuity and check for shorts from 12v phase. what i mean by that is for example, on your nitro cards, you have 10A fuses. if thats blown this will not work. so with continuity setting check if fuse is okay and second, put 1 cable to ground and poke the side of fuse towards the gpu core side, if it beeps, then its in short which mean heat gun method will not work. fans not spinning is common sign of short in your gpu so dont even bother heating up if fans dont spin when you are first trouble shooting. hope this helps!
Baked my RX 590 Sapphire today and it works. First time i do it in my life and it worked, ez money. Though reason I''m commenting is because I think you're right that software fcked up them sapphire cards, though my gpu had dual bios on it
Why is everyone assuming that it's the joints under the core that failed? There's thousands of components around, each of them could fail, probably even more likely than the core, or both(power phase fail >> voltage spike >> core killed).
I've fixed a graphics card once but not with an oven or a heat gun but rather with a normal soldering iron and a lot of patience because the PCB was obviously damaged and some small SMDs were missing so I've fixed the damaged traces on the PCB and soldered a couple of SMD capacitors and it worked. Now this GTX 660 is working in my mom's computer and allows my mom to play some games:D
Can confirm this works! I Have fixed GTX 780ti SC and a GTX 780ti Classified using the oven method. Preheat oven to 180 degrees Celsius and leave cards in for 8 minutes, once you take it out try not to move it and let it cool. 180c because that is the temp solder melts at.
My experience with these methods, 4 cards, GTX8800 GTS + GTS250 + GTX460 + HD6850 it worked for atleast a few weeks but cards made same problems again.
I think the heat gun would work better than the oven, however both are only temporary as it doesn't address the issues that caused items to desolder in the first place. The connections remain weak and can still crack.
Used to do this to Laptops with onboard graphics to bring them back to life. Used to buy them cheap on Ebay and make them live again. Always used a heat gun. By the way, a hair drier will pull the Windows Labels off also. You don't need that much heat. But it's a new toy.
Cool, thanks what temperature is the pre-heat and how long do you pre-heat and what's the maximum temperature estimate? If the heat gun can put out 50 to 600C heat (when it's one it's at 50C right away it seems), that's a range of 550C, divide that range to 3, then multiply by 2 to get the "2/3 on the way up" which would make it 367C minus 50C coz' we didn't start from 0C, '2/3 on the way up" would finally be at: 317C most likely (it's best to have a temperature sensor). Reflow temperature is between 330C to 400C, it's still within spec but use the Nik Telio method first- conservative first. God bless, Rev. 21:4
I also bought 8 ex mining cards that I had to flash the bios on. All rx580's 4 then died not long after artifacts on screen green lines etc. So I returned them to seller thank goodness I used PayPal services not friends and family. I've just got my money back through PayPal :). Great video Brian 👍
So you bought 8 cards, broke 4 of them yourself by flashing a faulty vbios and then you hose the seller by returning the cards back to him for a refund?
@@Jaymiecain1 I'm joking !! 4 of The cards had mining bios on them he sold them as usable gaming cards. The other 4 were fine. They would not run any benchmarks when I did get a original bios on the cards they artifacted all over screen. He was not willing to take them back. So I went through PayPal to get my money back👍 Taken 3 months though
that is not that true. depends on the method and a bit on luck. ive done it to multiple gpus. did it to an gtx 8800 and it worked fine for about a year then died again(not dead but artifacting ) so re done it. did the same to a gt610 2 gb and its been going for solid 4 years now and no signs of issues still. so depends. if you dont like having trouble with parts you should just avoid used parts and go only with new :P
@@pamelahusky1179 well then try explaining how is my m gt 610 still working after 4 years of fixing it? and how did my gtx 8800 last like a year of beating? and many others that are to many to list
@@chloeprice8 First of all, you didn't fix if, reflowing isn't a repair and it won't work for more then a couple months. You're purposely spreading false information with the intention of SCAMMING people. If you're too Ѕtupid to do any form of research, you need to keep your opinion to yourself or in this case, lies since you're trying to say it worked for more then a month and if it did, that's because it was never used.
Hey there B-man! I had a question about cleaning a gpu heatsink!? I bought a used 1080ti and it has minor rust on the heatsink (mined on near the ocean probably in a garage?). Any tips for cleaning off the rust? Gpu runs fine just the rust doesn’t look nice. Thanks in advance 👍🏻✊🏻
Heating is for reconnecting defective cold solder joints. The life of parts is heat related counter to fixing a problem. Also capacitors don't take kindly to heat. If the problem is non sufficient solder its hit and miss results heating.
Well, full 1500 should be 3/4 of 2000, so not TOO far off 2/3 (though maybe keep it slightly farther and/or heat it for less time). Not like I've done the heat gun method before, so I could be way off, but seems like it would be close enough to where result should be similar.....
Question, are you starting to see fewer and fewer video cards being offered up that were used for mining or is the supply still very plentiful? Any mining cards that you think are worth taking more of a risk on and any former mining cards you try to avoid? Thanks I really enjoy your videos.
It does work in some instances However it only comes back to life and lasts for about a week or Two, Provided you did not melt any plastic connectors etc.
@Tech YES City, like to get some advice. My old R9 270x (a second hand) suddenly started artifacting yesterday, after I had needed to hit reset button in testing Skyrim (?!?) (never had this happen ever before and I dunnow what caused it). Could the heat gun/oven method perhaps revive the card? The back story info. 1) running 2 identical monitors oced to 75Hz (CVT reduced blank) and I am familiar with flickering when refresh rates are not in sync. Had that when testing if they could run higher than 60Hz. Needed the reset button a few occasions which never gave issues then. Also had one application force 60Hz Vsync in it's settings, thus flickering monitors. De-focus (alt-tab or ctrl-alt-del task manager) to desktop alleviated it. 2) yesterday after I had to hit the reset button my R9 270x started artifacting. It was after testing a fresh Skyrim (modded with HD textures). Did had some odd monitor flickering on desktop, after testing stability up to ' min menu'. But both still ran the correct 75Hz settings. On starting a 'new game' (final test) resulted in heavy flickering on both monitors and Skyrim becoming seemingly keyboard "unresponsive". So decided to hit the reset button. 3) On boot saw weird artifacts, Windows gave boot errors and only safe mode worked. So green artifacts (horz or vert) from my MSI bios, to MSI Gaming Win10 boot logo, to desktop elements in safe mode. Reflashed agesa 1004, just in case and in case it was a virus rolled back a full system backup image. Windows still gave boot errors. Safe mode DDU'd the AMD drivers, installed a old HD5770 card and booted into Windows. No issues, no artifacts!! DDU'd drivers again, reinstalled the 270x: artifacts were back. Windows with default graphics driver, but the system crashed as soon as I went to install AMD graphics drivers. How 1, 2 and 3 relate to the card dying. Hell I have no clue?! Have pulled apart (not done that since I got it, temps were always good). THEN noticed a couple VRAM modules/components had weird oily substance on it. So guess some modules never made good contact with the thermal pads and that is was now suddenly caused it to die after 2 years. Cleaned the card and the few components from the substance, reapplied mx4 put it back together. Still the card gives artifacts. So now I wonder how dead is it? And could the heatgun/oven method bring it from the brink? Or better to bin it and buy a 5500XT when it is released (was the plan anyway) Advice is appreciated.
Crank up some more Tech YES friends, the temperature is too low to reflow properly it seems, the sensor must read at least 330C (to 400C, reflow is around 330C to 400C with preheat of around 150C for I believe 10 minutes to prevent board warping but boards are different always research some more) on the laser temperature gun.
Beauty I'm going to give this a go... I don't want to try the oven for the reasons you have given but thankfully I do have a heat gun!!... when reassembling card can i do away with the thermal pads to test incase it doesnt work?
I live In Queensland Australia I have been fixing my own graphic cards up for while now I use to just replace them off of eBay for around about $200, but then when the miners started buying up massive amount of Graphic cards They started to become very expensive Tough there now a bit cheaper but last year graphic cards went from a few hundred up in to the thousands. It wasn't worth replacing them. But You tube has an amazing amount of information on DIY how to fix a graphic card Most of the time I found I would just get them fix, using a heat gun, but this would not work on ever one. Most of the ones this would not fix were cause by dead motifs But a M-meter across the 6-8 pin power supply told me I had blown a couple of motifs. measure the motifs from there gate I soon found it. You know I hardly ever found I had blown the GPU mostly it was the motifs. I take the card down to jar car they find the motifs I needed and from then it was an easy fix.
The heat gun just reheats the internal connections, not the solder connections for a "reball" of the solder joints. This is just a temporary fix. Overtime, the heat will separate the internal joints which are the true issue. This would be the equivalent of putting an additive in your oil to get rid of a worn rod that is knocking. It quiets the problem in the short term, but it never fixes the true issue.
Yep! You can use this this method on notebooks with BGA problems. Also be careful and heat the whole card instead only at one point and use flux during the process. It will go under the chip nicely~ Then you can heat the chip up to 280C° for few seconds. Try it on low level, avoid heating so close because you can blow smd parts out of their places. Avoid heating capacitors, They can dry very fast and loosing capacitance. And cool slower to avoid PCB layer separation C:
Can confirm! Saved a HP DV7-1214ea from a dumpster just recently. Owner just left it there with everything in there - HDD (it was dead tho, shame as it was a WD Black 320GB), Bluray drive - the only thing missing was the battery. The issue? Bad BGA on the AMD northbridge, caused by absolutely nothing else than crusty thermals. Reflowed for ~2 minutes at 350*C (the lowest my primitive heatgun goes - methinks this was intended as a paint stripping heatgun as one of the nozzles I got was literally similar to a spatula) with soldering paste. The issue with my reflow is that the board has ever so slightly bent - not much, but enough that the GPU section of the heatsink wouldn't sit flush. Stuck some small Romanian coins (since I'm from Romania) inside the bottom case, right where the GPU heatsink was located, then everything went back together. It's been running great ever since.
@@AnnaVannieuwenhuyse the cpu silicon die is "soldered" to the substrate just like a gpu die but its not really a solder for both cpus/gpus its something else that you cant reflow
THIS 100% WORKED!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (obv case by case basis) i traded into a 3060 which turned out to be faulty. Did this. ran tests, failed at first? which i guess is a memory thing? but every time i always did better, never worse. until eventually ZERO issues. memory thing? idk. but it worked. (if card fails i will edit this, trust me i will remember)
@@POLPO_WOOD pour it at the edge of the chip and make sure you don't touch any micro transistors while doing so as they might come off if you did while heating them. You might need a heat gun.
Hi tech city.... I have a question for you. So i recently bought an r9 290x seems all good works ect but when I go on to a game or any sort of stressful task it seems to turn the gpu off and the pc stays on I've seen many things saying gpu and many things saying psu....I need help as I dont want to spend 100s more trying to sort out this issue... Could you shed some light on this? I've been trying everything to sort this problem out... As said all runs fine but soon after a games started the gpu turns off longest I've had out of the GPU working is about 3 hours before the gpu turn off:(
I have RX 470 Powercolor....windows freezes after booting but after a few minutes it functions normally...Is it the same in your end with the PowerColor GPU?
My laptop with GTX 1070 on board, will run perfectly when MSHybrid is selected in bios, but in windows I must disable the GTX 1070 or it will bsod randomly. But it works using the Intel 530 integrated. If I put in discrete mode in bios, it will load to a black screen, I'll have to shut off and on, off and on until it finally boots into windows, and then it works perfectly games. If I restart, it still works. If I shut down, there is a chance it doesn't work again. I've tried another AC adapter just to see if makes a difference. Nada. Do you think the GPU is an issue or might be something else? I never get any screen artifacts or anything when it's working. It's a Clevo P650RSG
You dont have to flash any random vbios you find on the net. If you have a working card with the original bios you can simply rip the bios very easily using GPU-Z.
hi there if youre there please answer me :/ well the card i own is gtx 770 2 gb msi it gives faulty display but only after i install the driver so what should i do exactly here throw it in the oven or try bios / replacing something ?
The thing is that these methods (oven/heat gun) do work (sort of) but only for specific failures and they actually indicate that the card is pretty much dead anyway. The thing Rossman said in his video (as I understood it) is that these methods do not actually reflow the cards in any way shape or form and even if they did that would not actually fix issues with the gpu die. The whole myth that reflowing the card can fix the gpu came from some people saying that the problems come from cracked solder balls under the die and by melting then again the contact is restored and the problem is solved. What Louis said is that you can get life out of those cards by heating them up to temperatures way under the melting point of the lead free solder used in the joints (~ 217 deg Celcius) and that should be an indicator that "melting" the solder joints is not the thing that revives these gpus. This method works when the die itself starts failing (and ironically the actual fix would be replacing the gpu die itself which is done by properly reflowing...) What that (temporarily) revives the gpu is the heating of microscopic contacts between the die (the silver thing that say AMD/Nvidia) and the (usually green) small pcbs (that actually connect to the larger gpu package via solder balls). The main point of his original 18min video is from 4:45 to around the 7 minute mark (in my opinion) if you are interested (youtube com/watch?v=1AcEt073Uds). You can see even in this video that the gpu die is not the issue with many graphics cards so the heating method does jack to fix them, and even with those that do have that issue the "fix" is just a temporary patch for an already failing chip. I will not speculate about selling cards fixed with this method but in my experience they don't last more than 1-2 months with a moderate to heavy gaming load before giving the same issues (that may again be patchable with the same method). For non-demanding work they may last a lot longer.
I used this method on my friend's laptop which was very old and we couldn't find a replacement. It was his brother's first laptop so it was very important to them. The repair shops said no one can fix it. So I made a deal with them . I pay them Rs100 ( less than 2 dollars) to use the heat gun and fixed it right in front of them.
I know there are lots of comments about Louis Rossman and his video, though I have had the second card revived now (although out of quite a few) come back to life. Others have had cards come back to life and last quite a while too, so perhaps there is something else to it....?
Bryan please I’ve been asking for months what is the intro song ??
Who is Rossman? We only know the YES man! 😜
Red Power Ranger - staffan carlen - I wish that I was a madman
No this is temp fix. Don't sell them. They will fail agan...
You can get cards back to life but they are dead again within weeks or months. Please don't promote this and don't sell any of these cards to any poor souls..
i can hear Louis Rossmann swearing and yelling this is not how you fix stuff :D
by CDMC just like he did to Linus, but in Aus where we can’t easily see Louis that’s the option we are left with
@@benjaminargus9563 It's a temporary fix at best. But if you're tight on money and the card is f-ed anyways why not try to heatgun some more month into it.
Literally my exact same though.
@@peterpain6625 correct. Even a complete reballing made by a professional may not be enough.
His swearing and yelling is funny, but Louis is also a very smart guy and explained why this usually doesn't work or only lasts a short time. Heat doesn't just damage the solder balls. The heat expansion and contraction damages the tiny traces inside the processor substrate. The only real fix is preemptive prevention. If your GPU is running over 80C, it's going to have a short life. The hotter your electronics run, the sooner they will die. Turn you fan speed up. We've know how to prevent this damage since 2007 but manufactures insist on having quiet consoles and video cards that run into the 80C's and 90C's. They don't care as long as it lasts through warranty and they want to sell you next years GPU anyway.
I found this heating up method is very short lived. Been repair hardware for years and in most cases your be lucky to get 3 months. People on Ebay do this and sell the card and some poor sucker buys it thinking its working and it fails over time.
Yeah I agree the only way to realy fix it is to replace the GPO Chip The chip heats up when the Silicon in the gpo cools down it contracts to the Silicon in the GPO chip gets miss aligned. It is expanding and contracting cause by heat that cause the Silicon channels to get misalign
question: does ebay have a report feature? cuz with shopee you can go as far as putting some jerk in court if they scam you
@@kingeling I will scam you bit
@@ceff01 bit
@@kingeling I was joking lol
I just wanted to chime in like a lot of the others have regarding the heatgun fix for graphics cards.
A lot of misinformation out there regarding the fix this method actually provides, some would say stuff like it helps to fix micro fractures within the soldering, and throw up these figures about certain temperature that melts solder, etc. which aren't true at all.
Long story short: due to the constant thermal cycling, cards running and being stressed, and then rapidly cooling off after the stress session's over causes thermal cycling, and over time this process causes deterioration of the graphics chip and this can also happen to memory chips. The overall heating procedure just mimics the thermal cycling and can bring the card back to life temporarily. The fix can last for five minutes, or 5 months, depending on the severity of the damage. The best way to fix the card is to replace the faulty chip. And then there are cases where it's not the chip that's actually gone bad, but something else like a bad mosfet, or a bad VRAM chip, etc. issues that could cause the card not to work.
So, heatgunning/oven baking is a temporary solution, and it actually lowers or ruins the chances for a proper repair of the card. What Louis Rossmann said is correct about flip chip BGA repairs, and a lot of dishonest technicians just heats up a bad laptop graphics chip or an XBOX motherboard and gives it a 90 day warranty knowing that it'll likely get by that period, and ruins the chances of having that part properly replaced and getting proper repairs done.
I wouldn't sell the GTX 650. That card will go bad in about a month or two, even sooner if stressed frequently. The best I have seen a cooked/heated card last is a 8800 GT, which was up to 6~7 months after it got out of the oven.
There's a channel called Eli Tech where proper GPU repair is demonstrated, you might want to check out some of his content.
Cheers, and love your content as always.
It's weird though because the last 7870 that I fixed, is still alive to this date...?
As you said it depends on the degree of damage to the components on board, though it usually dies in a few short months after and before selling anything i repaired this way i would do several continuous hours of stress testing. This method goes back a ways, the earliest i remember it personally is the ps3, though i believe it was around before that. It would fix it for a month or so at most.
I heatgun fixed my fat first gen ps3 and it worked for around 2 weeks. Then, i could do anything and would still get ylod when turned on.
@@techyescity well, the RX 570 card you yourself tried to fix is the sheer proof that this method isn't long lasting. I have seen oven baked cards last up to 7 months, then go kapoot again. This isn't a permanent fix by any means.
It can depend, but there is obviously no guarantee using this method as it's unscientific. There is a chance there was a dud solder ball or a crack between solder and pad and the heat gun reflowed it properly, making a permanent fix. But as you said, there is also a chance that isn't the problem and the result is only temporary. I'd only use this method if it was my own card, it was out of warranty and I had nothing else to lose by trying that. That is who this video should be targeted at and I think Bryan probably is targeting it at that person - the budget gamer trying to bring a card back to life vs buying a new one.
Doing this and then selling the card is 'scam', it's a temporary fix at best and therefore not ethical to sell and pass on the card. Ultimately this practice will reduce confidence in the used parts market that you and others love so much.
Exactly. Promote baking cards make used market even worse, because there will be a lot cards that will stop working soon. Because someone try to sell broken parts.
Yeah, his "tech yes lovin" is one thing that would concern me as a buyer, but this is really bad.
Nothing wrong , if you give a warranty , like Bryan does !
Yes i did same thing on phone and it worked for 1month and then died
I baked my broken 780Ti at 130°C half a year ago.. Runs just fine
Gordon Ramsay want his graphics card medium rare
This graphics card is FUCKING RAAAAAW
I’m just imagining a gpu idiot sandwich
and don't forget the lamb sauce....
Extra medium
LOL
this can work, although i recommend you build a structure to support the chips underneath because if you aren't careful they will start falling off. the board isn't thick, it also doesn't have much thermal resistance. so if you melt the solder on one side, pretty good chance you have melted it on the other as well, and while surface tension should keep those little caps and resistors in place, they can fall off in this circumstance, so you want to rig up something to hold the backside in place.
I just brought back my son's GPU using the heat gun method and am very happy about it. He has a Zotac Gaming GeForce RTX2070 that was have a severe artifacting problem. I first gave it a thorough cleaning but that didn't work so I decided to try heating it and it worked beautifully. Some new thermal paste and reassembly and now she works like a charm.
How is it working now? Still going strong or?
is it still working?
rtx 2070 is known to have failing video memory sadly. mainly micron fault.
Who doesn't love the smell of baked gpu in the morning?!
Everyone love it!!! 😜 😜 😜
Smells like victory...... or not.....
it smells like a ass kick into red and green !
The sweet smell of desperation and failure.
Anyone who has a working GPU up until then. This is why my OC'd 1070 Ti has an aftermarket cooler.
I LOVE YOU YOU JUST SAVED MY 780, a 10 year old card artefacting is literally working first try.
you-re great. subbed
Thanks, I've always used the oven method. My vega 64 just died which I was hoping would last until next gen flagships came out. I just hit it with the heat gun and its working again!
I had my gpu sitting for 1 year and today I tried this trick and boom!I'm playing my games back again!!???thank you very much!!!hope it lasts long!
Worked for me but only for one week 😥😥😥
Any update about your card?
I used hair blower on my gtx 760 for about 2mins..and it worked! Thankyou!
Bro add little liquid flux all around the GPU Chip and heat little more till flux totally evaporates. Flux will help in rejoining solder balls faster with less heat.
That is what i do with all ded cards, specially those with artifacts
Also works for the red light of death on old ps3
@@boomwithpeter623 after doing this how long did the cards last...................or they are still running up to now?
but this isnt a problem with balls betwen gpu and pcb but betwen actual gpu and this plate that is "balled" to pcb
That's not a fix, because 99% of the time it is never the solder under the package, but the conncetions to the die inside the package. This is only a temporary fix that kind of remelts the bumps inside, but it will NEVER be permanent, the ONLY way to permanently fix a dead graphics card is to replace the whole GPU, but that is usually not worth it.
I followed what you said 5 minutes with the gun and it posted and my old 1070 works perfectly I’m a very happy chap
4:28 That's right. The repair centres in Taiwan are for their own cards only. They don't repair other brands. So Gigabyte goes with Gigabyte, ASUS to ASUS, MSI to MSI and so on.
4:39 - Sapphire doesn't have a repair centre in Taiwan. Unfortunately, I have a Sapphire R9 290 that died out of warranty. They refused to have it repaired at all, even refusing paid repair. Sapphire is from Hong Kong.
I fixed an old amd laptop’s gpu using this method, but I covered the chip in flux before I started so the solder would have a better chance of flowing properly. Still works to this day surprisingly.
The Yesman has to be the hardest working man on youtube. He brings us these great vids almost on a daily basis.
He deserves waaay more suscribers
Cant wait to see my man louis rossmann in the comments
As he should be, I'm far from smart on that subject but I know this is 100% the incorrect way to do this and is likely going to cause failure again down the road.
He usually replies on techyescity?
@@spacedoutbeard5033 All fixes will cause faliure down the road. You shouldn't do this for living but to make some gpus alive for a short while
I fixed a 780ti with this method about a year ago. Booted enough to get the original bios flashed on it. Still works today.
I've used a heatgun on 5 gpu's. All 5 came back to life, one only lasted a few months but the others are still going strong.
how about now?
Issue?
tried it on a bricked 1050ti. card was actually properly faulty. probably got repaired already then sold as refurbished lol
Nothing better then waking up to some Tech YES Lovin'
"I use the Luke Skywalker method" - Tech Yes Legend, love it! :D
I have a GTX 560ti from Colorful and it was artefacting like crazy - I disassembled it and did the over method - 15min at 200 deg - re-themal paste and re-assemble and it has been running to this day perfectly. :D
Done the oven bake on an ASUS HD 6950 that had artefacts and it fixed it for about 2 weeks but then it went back to artefacts again. Great video though and certainly worth a try... I think it's good for creating zombie GPU's out of junk but anything modern needs a surgeon like Eli Tech to bring it back to life.
No more Asian ladies in the thumbnail. ):
I mean if you want, I can deliver?
@@techyescity YES!!!
Hell yess city bring them back
Lmao!
them Gigabyte Aorus, and the Ducky models were cute. B)
Also, seeing what some motherboard makers were using to not-cool the x570 chipset, the models absolutely was the more attractive option. A fish has more fins than some of the chipset blocks, lol.
Used the force for 5 minutes.
Why did you need the heat gun then ? Bryan lied to us about not being the Jedi Master that we need but rather the Sith Lord that we deserve.
YES!! Thank you, i just realized i have a heat gun and been hesitant to try the oven method due to the smell factor, got 3 Quadro 4000 graphics cards lined up for $20NZD that i could attempt this trick on haha just need a single slot card for a potential ITX in the future
Thank for posting I read this some that how amazing it is that there is now no where any where you can go and fix your dead graphics card. If your GPU's memory and core (there the two most important components) are not working, you just can't just go to a shop and get it repaired. This is because GPUs have all ways been “use-and-throw” type. So the only way to try to fix it is to learn to fix it our self.
I have a 9800 gt 1024 pny I purchased 14 years ago. I cleaned it with mass airflow sensor cleaner, and used a similar heat gun on the card while watching this whole video..... It worked 👍😁❤ I've heard the fix is temporary....time will tell that tale. Thank You Very Much 👍❤
I'm having LTT and Louis Rossman flashbacks from the title alone, Lol
Thanks for the video! I was doing some research on my next video and I found your video here (and channel). In case you're curious, I just released a video on some of the why and what on how heat works on some of these chips. I'm not sure about the details on the GPU's on the boards you are working with. Sometimes the problem is inside the chip and other times it's a problem with the solder ball(s) underneath.
ive had my RX480 for 3 years now and its been chugging along really well it hasnt had any problems yet except gpu issues sometimes very rarely tho
It's nice to hear the best intro music for the first time in a while ;)
What song is it?
@@yanniskrp5782 it's called, I wish that I was a mad man by Staffan Carlén
@@alanp621 thanks man
I worked in SMT and this is how we removed and replaced BGA parts all the time. It works with multi leg smt parts too
Great idea! I have been thinking about trying the Oven trick on a few Video Cards lately but I have a nice Heat Gun too, so to hell with the Oven I am going to give this a try!
Fixed my 1070TI today! Thanks for showing this method worked perfectly!
Is it still running?
Still running?
I have used this method today on a old GTX 580 that i got for free. This card was artifacting on desktop with green horizontal lines, drivers couldn't be installed and gpu-z didn't recognize it. So i Gave it a shot with a heatgun that is rated at 1600 watts and two fixed heating positions, #1 at 380 C and #2 at 500 C. I used position #1 for 4 minutes. And guess what? It is working fine! On the first try! It completed all benchmarks and I have been gaming on it for the past 4 hours whitout any issues, well the only thing beeing that it is an old card and every settings need to be tunned down, other than that, it's absolutely fine.
I have same palit stormx 1050ti 4gb graphics card after driver install line in display problem without driver working fine any idea what problem?
I don't know how good it works,but from what I saw,from Linus tech tips it's actually bad idea,cause he was meeting Louis rossmann and he explained how bad this idea is,and one option to try fix it is to try soldering new chip in,but it's not clear that it will work 100% also 😀
Yet it works... hmmm, paper weight to GPU seems like a miracle to me! Also Rosman is assuming ultra low temperatures (I run cards hotter than what he assumes people are reflowing, and by running I mean 120c or hotter core temp in Furmark for example).
Also Rosman must be assuming I do this to my Titan Xp? No it’s $20 to $40 cards that honestly I’d use as for stops even when they are working... I wouldn’t pay someone $20 to fix them, and I wouldn’t want them wasting there time for less than $50 to $100 trying to repair it. So it works, but it may not last 100 years... though obviously it would be older than MS DOS at that point anyways!
(Yes I can do some SMD reworking, but I wouldn’t take the time on cheap parts!)
@@jakegarrett8109I cant argue allot,cause actually don't have many arguments,and I didn't try to do myself,so it's not facts just kinda guessing,also saw saw method in random gaming in hd,don't remember actually channel name,but it was not working also,but probably need to try myself,just to be sure before saying something 😁
Linus demonstrated that he could revive a card baking at MUCH LESS than the melting point of solder, which shows that the theory that you're reflowing the solder is just wrong.
So brilliant thank you. I had a failing (multi coloured lines/squares) Hercules 3d Prophet, which is so important to me, as I play Star Trek New Worlds on this homebuilt Win98pc. And your cleaning, which alone didn't work, However the HotAir blower on the main GPU chip, with fan removed, heated up to 102c worked perfectly. Its playing like a trooper. Absolutely amazing, thank you very much. Regards Smudger
Is it still alive? 😃
we demand an update
Worked again, this time on my Sapphire Radeon HD 7950 Vapor-X. I used a rework station.
Set it to 250 C (480 F) to preheat for 20 minutes. I did this in the cardboard box the GPU came in - poked a hole for the tip of the rework blower. Cardboard does not ignite at this temperature, but I supervised with a electrical fire extinguisher just in case. ESD safe blower. I left the metal part of the heatsink on. This was just to get rid of moisture that eventually permeates the PCB over time. Tried it in the PC, still artifacting even at boot.
Then I took off the heatsink and paste and pads. Upped the temperature to 300 C (570 F) for ten minutes. 3/4 inch away from the GPU die, and around the VRAM and a few other big ICs. Keep it moving at about 1 inch per second back and forth. I guess that is the Luke Skywalker method. My rework gun is only about 200 Watts. It has repaired a few cards before. I guess a heat gun is faster, but be sure to ground everything from static.
I did not use anything like aluminium balls to raise it. The heat reflected from my wood table gave some heating to the underside of the PCB. But this is a work table, so covered in scratches and dents etc.
I tried to run this without any fans. As this GPU is used in a workstation - with a very large expansion card fan, I tried to get by with that. It worked fine like on my other builds - but not at boot, bc the mobo fan controller has that fan off for 30 seconds. I could have just hooked up the yellow and blue wires (for RPM and PWM) from the GPU fan header to my big fan - to use it as a fan controller - but decided not to.
Only one of my two GPU fans was working - the other had a worn bearing making it run slow and the two fans run off the same header - they should both spin equally. The stuck fan was slowing the good fan by sinking all the current. So I ditched the bad fan that was over the GPU die, and moved over the good fan. I had to extend the wires, with my soldering station and a little piece of vero board (proto board) to keep wires separated. Heat shrink is good. Tested and it works fine under a GPU stress test.
If you were wondering if you can change a bearing. It's doable on case fans, but on these fans, the bearing access has been fusion welded shut and you would need an end-mill or a lot of dremelling to remove that bit of plastic.
Also, the GPU fan comes on at around 80 C and keeps the max temp for the card around 90 C. When off load, it switched off at 69 or 70 C. It only ramps between 70 and 90 C.
Your mileage may vary. If you have a compact case with no expansion card fan, I would not game with it or do any renders until you get some new GPU fans or McGuyver some kind of extra cooling safely. This and most GPUs have thermal throttling and can switch off the card if it gets too hot. On my system the whole PC shuts down if (i force) that to happen.
Back in 2005-2012 I played with heat guns to reflow the balls on the Xbox 360 boards. I realized quick the oven method wasn't worthwhile. I also realized that placing the heat gun in the correct places to reflow each problem area, based on googling symptoms, worked about the best when I could track down the problems. I had about an 80% success rate when I knew what the issues were. 50/50 otherwise.
Oven has worked for me two times on the same card. A r9 280x, which ran for 6 months after my first bake. Now runs again, maybe for 6 months more?
I found the best way is to put the pcb in the oven at 180°C, then pull it out, heat the chip to 245, then put it back in the oven and turn it of with the door slightly opened. Wait til its about 40°C
The force is strong with this one.
Ive personally revived a dead gpu with the oven method so awesome!
hey i do fix a lot of GPU, the heat gun method only works if:
1: boots but gives artifacts
2: get a voltmeter, put it on continuity and check for shorts from 12v phase. what i mean by that is for example, on your nitro cards, you have 10A fuses. if thats blown this will not work. so with continuity setting check if fuse is okay and second, put 1 cable to ground and poke the side of fuse towards the gpu core side, if it beeps, then its in short which mean heat gun method will not work.
fans not spinning is common sign of short in your gpu so dont even bother heating up if fans dont spin when you are first trouble shooting.
hope this helps!
Bryan, if we're heating because of soldering problems, wouldn't it be logical to heat the back of the card?
The chip is surface mounted (not through-hole). So heating the top is the correct method.
@@brendanfarthing thank you didn't know that.
Fixed 6800LE back in the day, it had common black sceen problems. Needed to solder couple new capacitors and worked perfectly after that.
Baked my RX 590 Sapphire today and it works. First time i do it in my life and it worked, ez money. Though reason I''m commenting is because I think you're right that software fcked up them sapphire cards, though my gpu had dual bios on it
Why is everyone assuming that it's the joints under the core that failed?
There's thousands of components around, each of them could fail, probably even more likely than the core, or both(power phase fail >> voltage spike >> core killed).
It’s fairly often for old cards to thermal fatigue the solder, but in new cards... incredibly unlikely this would help...
I've fixed a graphics card once but not with an oven or a heat gun but rather with a normal soldering iron and a lot of patience because the PCB was obviously damaged and some small SMDs were missing so I've fixed the damaged traces on the PCB and soldered a couple of SMD capacitors and it worked. Now this GTX 660 is working in my mom's computer and allows my mom to play some games:D
Can confirm this works! I Have fixed GTX 780ti SC and a GTX 780ti Classified using the oven method. Preheat oven to 180 degrees Celsius and leave cards in for 8 minutes, once you take it out try not to move it and let it cool. 180c because that is the temp solder melts at.
My experience with these methods, 4 cards, GTX8800 GTS + GTS250 + GTX460 + HD6850 it worked for atleast a few weeks but cards made same problems again.
I heard you mention the oven method in one of your previous videos. Glad you did this one explaining the madness. Haha
I think the heat gun would work better than the oven, however both are only temporary as it doesn't address the issues that caused items to desolder in the first place. The connections remain weak and can still crack.
Used to do this to Laptops with onboard graphics to bring them back to life. Used to buy them cheap on Ebay and make them live again. Always used a heat gun. By the way, a hair drier will pull the Windows Labels off also. You don't need that much heat. But it's a new toy.
Louis rossmann will not be happy with this video
Cool, thanks what temperature is the pre-heat and how long do you pre-heat and what's the maximum temperature estimate?
If the heat gun can put out 50 to 600C heat (when it's one it's at 50C right away it seems), that's a range of 550C, divide that range to 3, then multiply by 2 to get the "2/3 on the way up" which would make it 367C minus 50C coz' we didn't start from 0C, '2/3 on the way up" would finally be at: 317C most likely (it's best to have a temperature sensor). Reflow temperature is between 330C to 400C, it's still within spec but use the Nik Telio method first- conservative first.
God bless, Rev. 21:4
I also bought 8 ex mining cards that I had to flash the bios on.
All rx580's 4 then died not long after artifacts on screen green lines etc.
So I returned them to seller thank goodness I used PayPal services not friends and family.
I've just got my money back through PayPal :).
Great video Brian 👍
So you bought 8 cards, broke 4 of them yourself by flashing a faulty vbios and then you hose the seller by returning the cards back to him for a refund?
@@raver101010101010 Sounds like you abused the system and you're a bit of a dick for messing with the bios tbh.
@@Jaymiecain1 I'm joking !!
4 of The cards had mining bios on them he sold them as usable gaming cards.
The other 4 were fine.
They would not run any benchmarks when I did get a original bios on the cards they artifacted all over screen.
He was not willing to take them back.
So I went through PayPal to get my money back👍
Taken 3 months though
I hope you don't sell any of those 30-90 day fix cards. I would be pissed if I got one.
that is not that true. depends on the method and a bit on luck. ive done it to multiple gpus. did it to an gtx 8800 and it worked fine for about a year then died again(not dead but artifacting ) so re done it. did the same to a gt610 2 gb and its been going for solid 4 years now and no signs of issues still. so depends. if you dont like having trouble with parts you should just avoid used parts and go only with new :P
You won't even get 30 days out of one, they last less then a month in that condition, sometimes even less then a day.
@@pamelahusky1179 well then try explaining how is my m gt 610 still working after 4 years of fixing it? and how did my gtx 8800 last like a year of beating? and many others that are to many to list
@@chloeprice8 First of all, you didn't fix if, reflowing isn't a repair and it won't work for more then a couple months. You're purposely spreading false information with the intention of SCAMMING people. If you're too Ѕtupid to do any form of research, you need to keep your opinion to yourself or in this case, lies since you're trying to say it worked for more then a month and if it did, that's because it was never used.
@@pamelahusky1179 I fixed 20 gpu I sell them on eBay and people ask for refund I decline and I win that's it
Hey there B-man! I had a question about cleaning a gpu heatsink!? I bought a used 1080ti and it has minor rust on the heatsink (mined on near the ocean probably in a garage?). Any tips for cleaning off the rust? Gpu runs fine just the rust doesn’t look nice. Thanks in advance 👍🏻✊🏻
Heating is for reconnecting defective cold solder joints. The life of parts is heat related counter to fixing a problem. Also capacitors don't take kindly to heat. If the problem is non sufficient solder its hit and miss results heating.
Thank you I will try this on my Dead Titan Z! Will give results! (Note mine is 1500 watts and it only has on/ half/ or full ...
Well, full 1500 should be 3/4 of 2000, so not TOO far off 2/3 (though maybe keep it slightly farther and/or heat it for less time). Not like I've done the heat gun method before, so I could be way off, but seems like it would be close enough to where result should be similar.....
@@rjsantiago4740 Sounds about right to me. Thanks
Question, are you starting to see fewer and fewer video cards being offered up that were used for mining or is the supply still very plentiful? Any mining cards that you think are worth taking more of a risk on and any former mining cards you try to avoid? Thanks I really enjoy your videos.
This is legit, i fixed so many GPU and MB using this trick.
“One got tech yes loving”
Captions: one got techie assed
It does work in some instances However it only comes back to life and lasts for about a week or Two, Provided you did not melt any plastic connectors etc.
Did you check each of the video out adapters on those cards which failed to post, not just the HDMI output ?
@Tech YES City, like to get some advice.
My old R9 270x (a second hand) suddenly started artifacting yesterday, after I had needed to hit reset button in testing Skyrim (?!?) (never had this happen ever before and I dunnow what caused it).
Could the heat gun/oven method perhaps revive the card?
The back story info.
1) running 2 identical monitors oced to 75Hz (CVT reduced blank) and I am familiar with flickering when refresh rates are not in sync. Had that when testing if they could run higher than 60Hz. Needed the reset button a few occasions which never gave issues then.
Also had one application force 60Hz Vsync in it's settings, thus flickering monitors. De-focus (alt-tab or ctrl-alt-del task manager) to desktop alleviated it.
2) yesterday after I had to hit the reset button my R9 270x started artifacting.
It was after testing a fresh Skyrim (modded with HD textures). Did had some odd monitor flickering on desktop, after testing stability up to ' min menu'. But both still ran the correct 75Hz settings.
On starting a 'new game' (final test) resulted in heavy flickering on both monitors and Skyrim becoming seemingly keyboard "unresponsive". So decided to hit the reset button.
3) On boot saw weird artifacts, Windows gave boot errors and only safe mode worked.
So green artifacts (horz or vert) from my MSI bios, to MSI Gaming Win10 boot logo, to desktop elements in safe mode. Reflashed agesa 1004, just in case and in case it was a virus rolled back a full system backup image. Windows still gave boot errors.
Safe mode DDU'd the AMD drivers, installed a old HD5770 card and booted into Windows. No issues, no artifacts!! DDU'd drivers again, reinstalled the 270x: artifacts were back. Windows with default graphics driver, but the system crashed as soon as I went to install AMD graphics drivers.
How 1, 2 and 3 relate to the card dying. Hell I have no clue?!
Have pulled apart (not done that since I got it, temps were always good). THEN noticed a couple VRAM modules/components had weird oily substance on it. So guess some modules never made good contact with the thermal pads and that is was now suddenly caused it to die after 2 years.
Cleaned the card and the few components from the substance, reapplied mx4 put it back together. Still the card gives artifacts.
So now I wonder how dead is it? And could the heatgun/oven method bring it from the brink? Or better to bin it and buy a 5500XT when it is released (was the plan anyway)
Advice is appreciated.
will this work on a asus RX 580 bios mod or not, it gives me a B2 error on my asus rampage 4 black edition
I have used both methods Brian. Both work.
OMG ! it's success man ! First time i saw your videos i can't belive but it worked . Tks
Crank up some more Tech YES friends, the temperature is too low to reflow properly it seems, the sensor must read at least 330C (to 400C, reflow is around 330C to 400C with preheat of around 150C for I believe 10 minutes to prevent board warping but boards are different always research some more) on the laser temperature gun.
Beauty I'm going to give this a go... I don't want to try the oven for the reasons you have given but thankfully I do have a heat gun!!... when reassembling card can i do away with the thermal pads to test incase it doesnt work?
thank you for this video I'll be attempting this method on a OG Titan Black that gives slow-motion bkuescreens and those green lines onscreen.
I live In Queensland Australia I have been fixing my own graphic cards up for while now I use to just replace them off of eBay for around about $200, but then when the miners started buying up massive amount of Graphic cards They started to become very expensive Tough there now a bit cheaper but last year graphic cards went from a few hundred up in to the thousands. It wasn't worth replacing them. But You tube has an amazing amount of information on DIY how to fix a graphic card Most of the time I found I would just get them fix, using a heat gun, but this would not work on ever one. Most of the ones this would not fix were cause by dead motifs But a M-meter across the 6-8 pin power supply told me I had blown a couple of motifs. measure the motifs from there gate I soon found it. You know I hardly ever found I had blown the GPU mostly it was the motifs. I take the card down to jar car they find the motifs I needed and from then it was an easy fix.
What product do you use to clean the graphics card pcb? How long do you wait for it to dry off? Thanks.
I have a dead gtx 950 and I think I might give this a shot because it's out of warranty and it can't hurt.
The heat gun just reheats the internal connections, not the solder connections for a "reball" of the solder joints. This is just a temporary fix. Overtime, the heat will separate the internal joints which are the true issue. This would be the equivalent of putting an additive in your oil to get rid of a worn rod that is knocking. It quiets the problem in the short term, but it never fixes the true issue.
Yep!
You can use this this method on notebooks with BGA problems. Also be careful and heat the whole card instead only at one point and use flux during the process. It will go under the chip nicely~ Then you can heat the chip up to 280C° for few seconds. Try it on low level, avoid heating so close because you can blow smd parts out of their places. Avoid heating capacitors, They can dry very fast and loosing capacitance. And cool slower to avoid PCB layer separation C:
Can confirm! Saved a HP DV7-1214ea from a dumpster just recently. Owner just left it there with everything in there - HDD (it was dead tho, shame as it was a WD Black 320GB), Bluray drive - the only thing missing was the battery. The issue? Bad BGA on the AMD northbridge, caused by absolutely nothing else than crusty thermals.
Reflowed for ~2 minutes at 350*C (the lowest my primitive heatgun goes - methinks this was intended as a paint stripping heatgun as one of the nozzles I got was literally similar to a spatula) with soldering paste. The issue with my reflow is that the board has ever so slightly bent - not much, but enough that the GPU section of the heatsink wouldn't sit flush. Stuck some small Romanian coins (since I'm from Romania) inside the bottom case, right where the GPU heatsink was located, then everything went back together. It's been running great ever since.
Did you try every port on each card hdmi, DVI so on? In some cases port can be just dead, burned out or something.
Sorry if you address this in the video, but do you think this could work on a CPU?
No.
@@-eMpTy- Haha!! Perfect response.
CPU's dies aren't soldered to the substrate (the green layer). If the CPU is dead, it's dead.
@@AnnaVannieuwenhuyse the cpu silicon die is "soldered" to the substrate just like a gpu die
but its not really a solder for both cpus/gpus its something else that you cant reflow
THIS 100% WORKED!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (obv case by case basis) i traded into a 3060 which turned out to be faulty. Did this. ran tests, failed at first? which i guess is a memory thing? but every time i always did better, never worse. until eventually ZERO issues. memory thing? idk. but it worked. (if card fails i will edit this, trust me i will remember)
It's alive! The Frankenstein GPU
You should also use soldering Flux around. That's how most of the motherboards are fixed as well.
how do you do and apply that and where?
@@POLPO_WOOD pour it at the edge of the chip and make sure you don't touch any micro transistors while doing so as they might come off if you did while heating them. You might need a heat gun.
Hi tech city....
I have a question for you.
So i recently bought an r9 290x seems all good works ect but when I go on to a game or any sort of stressful task it seems to turn the gpu off and the pc stays on I've seen many things saying gpu and many things saying psu....I need help as I dont want to spend 100s more trying to sort out this issue...
Could you shed some light on this?
I've been trying everything to sort this problem out...
As said all runs fine but soon after a games started the gpu turns off longest I've had out of the GPU working is about 3 hours before the gpu turn off:(
Tech Yes Lovin! Those are some nice “Gravis” cards Bryan.
Gravis made some glorious sound cards in the 90s!
oh bro i think my vga card also dead and i cant buy heat gun any other method ??? help plz
I have RX 470 Powercolor....windows freezes after booting but after a few minutes it functions normally...Is it the same in your end with the PowerColor GPU?
My laptop with GTX 1070 on board, will run perfectly when MSHybrid is selected in bios, but in windows I must disable the GTX 1070 or it will bsod randomly. But it works using the Intel 530 integrated. If I put in discrete mode in bios, it will load to a black screen, I'll have to shut off and on, off and on until it finally boots into windows, and then it works perfectly games. If I restart, it still works. If I shut down, there is a chance it doesn't work again. I've tried another AC adapter just to see if makes a difference. Nada. Do you think the GPU is an issue or might be something else? I never get any screen artifacts or anything when it's working. It's a Clevo P650RSG
I just revived a RX 580 reference card with this trick. Thank you!
still working?
@@mg86_ Yep, still going
You dont have to flash any random vbios you find on the net. If you have a working card with the original bios you can simply rip the bios very easily using GPU-Z.
hi there if youre there please answer me :/
well the card i own is gtx 770 2 gb msi
it gives faulty display but only after i install the driver so what should i do exactly here
throw it in the oven or try bios / replacing something ?
The thing is that these methods (oven/heat gun) do work (sort of) but only for specific failures and they actually indicate that the card is pretty much dead anyway.
The thing Rossman said in his video (as I understood it) is that these methods do not actually reflow the cards in any way shape or form and even if they did that would not actually fix issues with the gpu die.
The whole myth that reflowing the card can fix the gpu came from some people saying that the problems come from cracked solder balls under the die and by melting then again the contact is restored and the problem is solved. What Louis said is that you can get life out of those cards by heating them up to temperatures way under the melting point of the lead free solder used in the joints (~ 217 deg Celcius) and that should be an indicator that "melting" the solder joints is not the thing that revives these gpus. This method works when the die itself starts failing (and ironically the actual fix would be replacing the gpu die itself which is done by properly reflowing...)
What that (temporarily) revives the gpu is the heating of microscopic contacts between the die (the silver thing that say AMD/Nvidia) and the (usually green) small pcbs (that actually connect to the larger gpu package via solder balls). The main point of his original 18min video is from 4:45 to around the 7 minute mark (in my opinion) if you are interested
(youtube com/watch?v=1AcEt073Uds).
You can see even in this video that the gpu die is not the issue with many graphics cards so the heating method does jack to fix them, and even with those that do have that issue the "fix" is just a temporary patch for an already failing chip.
I will not speculate about selling cards fixed with this method but in my experience they don't last more than 1-2 months with a moderate to heavy gaming load before giving the same issues (that may again be patchable with the same method). For non-demanding work they may last a lot longer.
Nice vidéo. Can you explain how did you get out the cover of the gpu will be great?..thnx
Would like to see a deeper analysis about this "vbios troll" :D
I used this method on my friend's laptop which was very old and we couldn't find a replacement. It was his brother's first laptop so it was very important to them. The repair shops said no one can fix it. So I made a deal with them . I pay them Rs100 ( less than 2 dollars) to use the heat gun and fixed it right in front of them.
Bro thats badass