1. I was very impressed with your comprehensive fact finding tour. 2. Why were you not able to fix the missing signal to the core and does it mean that Nvidia should honor a replacement card ? 3. Did you end up replacing the controller that drives the memory phase ?
this man just casually says 'im gonna lift the core' and here I am thinking that was pretty much impossible. I saw a video on EVGA doing it in a lab. absolutely insane.
It is virtually impossible u need special smd de-soldering and re-soldering gear, it also a lot harder to do than it looks in the video. U need special test gig, and software too, and experience. It also will take you hours..
You guys dont know this but the card came in back for warranty repair. The controller i used to swap died shortly after so i had it replaced with new and it never came back again. Lesson learned i guess.
maybe you are a messy person that cant stand silent videos and gets waay impressed after gaining some patience to watch a simple video, like those ASMR guys.
@@linterprete thanks to this video, I was able to spot the issue on a client mobo that was brought in for repair. Apparently having the power on but no post symptoms, as it turns out, he had a beaa of soler sitting between a small chip and another component near the cpu area which shorted out the chip and it had cracked in place. which wasn't very obvious at first glance, but under closer inspection I was able to spot it.
I am really amazed by these types of repair. I can hardly produce decent solder with wires and you guys can do a spotless micro-solder. Props to you guys!
I'm the same with obsolete equipment... I find almost anything interesting, even laptops that are so badly damaged almost every other part needs replacing lol
With how much those damn things cost, always best to try and fix. I just fixed a car audio amplifier from the late 1990s that had blown the mosfet array. Recapped it too. Soundstream Reference 1000sx is now back up and bumping.
it's good that he doesn't (let them die) these things should be preserved they will be priceless history one day. i wish i still had my first PC i built or my second or third. If we continue progressing technology as we plan to . one day these ancient comptu3ers and video cards will actualy be ancient and they can be used teach furture generations a good deal about how we lived intodays world. other wise much of modern day livign will be lsot to time. imagine if ancient romans had PC's that offered a glimpse into their daily lives, like we do today. we'd have so much more understanding of them than we do today.
I mean.. that's good - way too many electronics end up as e-waste so fast, having more people who know how to do these repairs, and the ability to - increases the chance of also having e-waste reduced in the form of recycling. Graphic cards and other components might die from a part that is $0.50 to replace - but requires knowledge and tools to do it. (reflow machines, etc) - and then it's 'good as new' again. If not - I've never seen a part die out - that didn't have SOMETHING useful on it still, a chip here, a component there, etc. We need more recycling and repair stations, since companies won't reduce the amount they make (even though they typically make too many of each product, lookin at you Phones!) we need ways to salvage bits from them to reuse and repurpose, even just to fix existing used phones with other parts of used phones. etc.
You're a detective. Love the persistence and inquisitiveness. in today's throwaway culture, it is refreshing to see someone resolved to refurbishing/repurposing older hardware instead of chucking it in the bin. That you devote so much time and effort to a $100 repair ... makes you an artist in my book. Thanks for doing what you do!
well, this GPU isn't for any intents or purposes an outdated piece of junk. it can run almost any triple A game at 1440p on high settings without a hinch. so it's worth getting a new life. but yeah, this man is a legend anyway
@@WWhateverItTakes not old enough to be treated like it's useless. 2080 Ti supports everything except FG and runs games about as well as 4060 Ti does which is better than in most systems out there. so if you can fix it for $100 then it's worth it.
Really nice work. Many years ago, I used to do fine work like this, repairing surface-mount circuitry at component level. Unfortunately, time, age, and arthritis have stopped that for me. But it's good to see someone else doing even smaller-scale work than I used to do.
I always found this work fascinating, but I have an autoimmune disorder that makes it really difficult to sit crouched over something like this for long periods due to joint pain, so I know exactly what you mean.
@@AlphaMachina dont give up i had a death sentence and my doctor is slightly annoyed i beat the best before date bye siz six years and the underlying condition is totally gone.
Wow. Your solder work is so tight. Amazing job. It was so interesting to get a glimpse on how Video cards flow. It also shows how sad manufacturing has become. I worked for Harris RF communications back in the 80's building, testing, and reworking Military Radio. There were so many checks and tests to make sure a high standard was kept with super tight tolerances. But that is a completely different process and standard.
I had no idea, whatsoever, that these complex circuit boards were even repairable at that level! Maybe, a loose power connector, or 'a' resistor, or 'a' diode -- but that was all I thought was within the realm of practical feasibility. Given how insanely expensive modern GPUs are, I guess it makes sense that a repair industry would emerge. Still, judging from what was shown, it looks like a very delicate process requiring a great deal of skill. I am very impressed at your skill level, sir! I am bookmarking your channel.
It is impressive, no argument there. But, despite the incredible amount of components it"s still based on "simple" power stages, controllers to feed the beast, then in order for your pc to make sense of it all, information comes out in a predictable way. As always, if something appears too complex, go back to the basics.
I learned my lesson to keep my work area CLEAN when I had repair work that came back like boomerang week later. I finally found out the reason, that was a resistor leg or something similar that had gotten into the device, most probably from my desk. Remember kids, you keep your work area clean! Always have a hand brush at the ready that you can use to sweep the area to the garbage can :)
Interesting tip for pads not allowing good contact. You may wanna try preheating the pad before putting it onto the card. The additional heat will allow it to compress more and this will in turn result in higher thermal conductivity.
@@northwestrepair I would suggest using a thermal putty such as Upsiren UX Pro and not worry about what thickness to give the thermopad. And for the core I would recommend applying PTM7950, only liquid metal is more efficient than this phase change substance.
@@guycxzon the other hand, if your temps are rock solid for years after your card has been to the repair shop, it's better for the longevity of the card thus that repair shop gets a special recommendation. Remember, many users aren't capable of repasting their own card so perhaps these little bits of additional goodies for $10 per card is worth it for many. I'm sure this customer was thrilled when he saw his temps drop significantly.
Respect for showing your mistake with solder on the pcie slot, that earned you a new subscriber! I did surface soldering in 1990 in my industrial electronics engineer education in high school, and it was really complicated, I was the only one who got my project working (after resoldering an IC). Really miss that old time 😀
Glad my suggestion helped. I had so much trouble sometimes finding the right thickness of pads (and with the right hardness) I had to buy a pasta maker. That's an awesome tool. I'm not actually sure if my suggestion was the one who brought the pasta make into equation or people use that long before I was using it myself.
Outstanding work. I really enjoyed watching this and I did learn more things. I found it really interesting that you can roll the thermal pads and make them thinner. Thank you for taking the time to upload this to enlighten us.
Wow this one was a heck of a roller coaster ride, got my emotions all mixed up and now i dont know how to feel. Probably because I have no idea what it means to run on 8 lanes instead of 16. In fact I have no idea whats going on at all but still enjoying the videos
x8 or x16 is the number of lanes, or circuits essentially back to the CPU from the GPU slot. There is a huge difference in how much data can be transmitted, 100% more I believe on 16 vs 8 but that only matters if the GPU can use more than what 8x can do. That card is right on the limit of bottlenecking on x8, but it only gains something like 2 or 3% performance if you use x16. So it is broken, but still fully fuctional in reality.
this is not something what other "wannabe experts" on youtube can fix/repair, this clearly requires someone with knowledge and years of experience, this guy cleary knows his stuff, i'm really amazed by your skills, my friend.
You went above and beyond, you fixed what was about to be trash, you even installed a performance mod 😂. There's nothing more that can be done. I'm proud of you 👍
That's some next level knowledge and experience right there. I don't think there are many people who would know how to fix a graphics card, much less actually do it. Kudos.
Love watching these repairs. My brain doesn’t compute electronics well, so even though I can’t grasp what the heck is going on, I still find it interesting.
Unless the user is using PCI E 2.0 the card should have enough bandwidth at x8 speed for the 2080ti. It's still saved from the landfill and is still usable for gaming.
yeah that's what i said . i'm running a geforce 3070 on 8x 3.0 pci-e (the 16x slot died on my mobo) , and i see no difference on my benchmarks from geforce 3070's running on pci-e 4.0 16x. you really only loose frames when you drop to 2.0 or lower.
@@DenverStarkey Likely would only see a performance loss on direct memory transfers on computational loads like crypto mining and not GPU rendering but probably will over higher frame resolutions over 1080p as the bitrate required for 120FPS at 1080p would be around 750 MB/s where PCI-E 3 1x would be 1GB/s, and at 1080p it's well under the threshold, but 4k it would be 3 GB/s for 120 FPS. Knowing this the theoretical limit of FPS with 8X only at 4K resolutions would be 320 FPS, which you would think would be sufficient. At 8k the max FPS drops to 78 fps, in all these figures they are calculated with an assumption it's only rendering a simple scene such as a solid color to the screen. If the 16x was enabled it's theoretical max would be 156 FPS @ 8K rendering just a solid color to the screen. So, it essentially lost half it's max theoretical FPS at 8k resolutions
@@Tatusiek_1 no it was a slow death , thing is my pc is not a normal upright case , it's a coolermaster HAF XB case , so the motherboard lays horizontial. i think side ways gpu droop is the likely culprit. but i've never heard of a test bench style case causing that issue so maybe it is just a bad mother board. it first started showing signs while running a 1070 in it back in 2019 the computer would randomly not detect the Video card when powering up. as time progressed it got worse and worse. at first i thought maybe it was the card , because the 3070 i dropped into it worked fine on the slot for a couple of months but then it started to do the same thing of not detecting till it finnally stopped detecting the video card all together. also the 1070 is working flawlessly in the older PC i dropped it into.
Videos like this have definitely helped me learn about what to look for when troubleshooting and working on my own electronics. I'm glad there are people w/ exp out here showing others how to do these things. You may never even realize who's inspired by watching these. I appreciate that ppl like you take the time to show us
Kudos from a repair colleague!. I don't work on GPUs, but on communicaction gear. Nowadays everything is diminute and few people adventures on component level repairs, as we do 👌
beautiful work! both ethics and the way you work is actually a marvel to look at. also, thank you for not giving up until every option was exhausted. it's a joy to see technicians with this sort of ethic guideline still exist.
The way your mind works is so pure and so precise in the work flow to troubleshoot. It is like a work of magic to see it. I have never seen anyone remove a CORE outside of a factory before. Never realized this could be done tbh. AMAZING! Total Professional!
Really nice to see someone doing such great work. While a lot of these steps make a lot of sense, they aren't at all obvious to perform. Also, casually whipping out a pasta machine to thin the thermal pad was hilarious.
I am so impressed how soldering chips onto a board works so "easily". I didn't know that the solder is adjusting itself onto the contacts with that grease through surface tension? or the coated PCB surface repelling molten tin. Before I was watching such repair videos I thought a computer component with a broken chip with hundreds of tiny contacts beneath it could not be saved anymore without a machine from a fab. I also want to give you props for your clean work.
For me the biggest joy I see with these videos is customers willing to get their cards repaired. A 2080 is a great card by three generations old. It can still do a ton of work because of how much memory it has. X8 on PCIE 3.0 for a 2080 is not really a bottleneck in a lot of applications.
@@hombrepepega3472 In day to day use with gaming, you will not see any noticeable loss. If you benchmark, you will see a little bit of difference. (MSI B450 Tomahawk, Ryzen 5 3600, MSI RTX 2080 Ventus, 1x NVME 1TB, Soundblaster Z with 2 SATA SSDs.)
I am immensely impressed by your skills and dedication to what you do :) Now if only I could get someone to solve my bizzare software/hardware issue :D
If only there was someone like you in Central-Europe I'd probably saved tens of thousands dollars worth of tech by now. But thing is, experts such as so are only a handful, finding them is near impossible.
Mate! You're an excellent engineer! Watching you work, is inspiring. You managed to not only completely reseat the CPU and diagnose the fault being x8, but you also somehow boosted the performance, with half the expected x16 PCIe lanes and lower the temperature! How the heck you did that, it's wild! Have you considered a job with NVidia?
man you're awesome, the passion you put into those repairs is outstanding, I was amazed when you just casually said "lets lift the core" and proceded to perfectly reball it!!!
ASMR channel for sure, we learn so much. Right to repair for sure, never change and stick to your roots! I’m rooting for your channel to grow. Just enjoy what you do!
Its honestly so amazing and cool that an individual can do these repairs mostly by hand. Keeping these devices out of landfills. I hope that in you posting these videos also inspire people to develop the skills to do this, because we really need more people on the planet who work on modern day circuit boards.
i've never had to repair any expensive circuitry yet so far thanks to warranty, but you've earned yourself a sub. amazing effort and dedication. also i i believe 2080s still do not use enough bandwidth to overwhelm a PCI-E 3 x8. it should have a value less than -5% when running in 8x instead of 16x mode (unless you're pushing a lot of data in and out of memory, which most games dont always do so its fine)
Yeah, the only time PCIe 3.0 8x bus width would be a problem is if you run out of Vram which I doubt a 2080ti would do in its performance class thankfully.
My jaw hit the floor when you de-soldered and re-soldered that core by hand. Up to this point I had thought that operation so delicate that only a machine could do it. Very impressive!
Just bought a "reconditioned" 1,000W PSU from Amazon. Thrown in a box with no pads. Four screws thrown loose in the box. Two were *inside the PSU* One fell out after violent shaking and the other appeared magically days later. ---------------------------- *Inside the PSU!* ----------------------
35 years in automotive industry I have seen Auto Tech go from non feedback carburetors through the feedback then fuel injection and bidirectional control era. The computers all very proprietary and next to nothing for Board level information in the early years. It was a very much an assembly replacement industry up through the early 2000`s. Watching your level of dedication to repair is refreshing even in a industry I know little about. Keep up the good work
Amazing job once again! I guess running these at 8X is totally fine, haha. Your customer will get a lot of life out of this yet. Awesome job keeping these out of the landfill.
Dude! So happy you showed up in my "content I might like" feed, that was an awesome video. Your work reminds me of a lot of the mechanic videos I like - no frills, just good information delivered concisely with plenty of quality footage to show you exactly what's being done. That was impressive from beginning to end lol. I'm over here proud of myself for wiring a guitar I rebuilt (and I STILL need to rewire position 4 on the pup selector...) and you're just casually swapping controllers around and lifting cores on GPUs 😂 Subscribed my guy, looking forward to more of your vids in my feed.
I think lifting the core for a missing data line is not worth the risk under most circumstances, there is always some risk of damage during a complete reball like this. Plus the wasted time+effort ofc.
Yeah I think unless you knew it was a physical thing, like you squeeze the chip and board together and it connects, then maybe it could be worth it. But again, the practical performance difference is so slim anyway I think it's really hard to justify
i got here by chance, and oh my god, its amazing, everything, the production to the soundtrack and the history behind the repair, with only little knowledge you can watch the entire video without problems and understand it, i am definitely subscribing and liking it
i would have never reballed a gpu just because it runs at 8x, all the work and risk of killing the gpu for % 5 performance drop is too risky for me. btw, would it be caused by that solder blob on pci e lines ? (typo corrected)
This inspired me to go reading about x8 and x16 lanes - I think I'd be very happy that the card was working again, given the marginal performance gain. Also - hats off to your level of skill! I've dabbled with soldering and repairs on and off (I had some decent level of training 40 years ago), and this is a whole new level. I found the checking of pin levels and the whole 'ack' side of things most interesting too.
I never thought I'd feel sad when when he said there's nothing I can do and the somber music kicked in. Then I'm like wtf am I sad over a video card. LOL... Wow great dedication to the work you do on these cards.
It's just so cool how ICs are built and connected along the whole process to separate, clean, prep and rejoin components during repair. All part of complex proprietary devices built in similar standards.
14 minutes flew by like 30 seconds.. I was completely immersed and it was such a peaceful and calming clip.. something about fixing pc hardware that just fills me with quietness especially when the guy is an expert like him
That core rework scene was beautiful. The background music fit it perfectly. Sortta gives you the feeling of the amount of time needed to perfect this craft. I remember my first reball, it was a disaster. Props to you man, you've done more of these than I've had hot meals.
My gawwwd you're detail-oriented!!! 👍👍👍 On a different note, this is soldering artistry at its finest! I think you need to make a video and show how to reflow!
i've was in IT for a long time and been doing puters since the late 80's and this is the first time i've ever seen a processor removed and replaced by a person, pretty amazing and impressive......
On two account I've had issues with EVGA cards dying on me or having a lot of issues. it was nice to see this video and helped me gain a lot of insight on how deep the creation of these cards go.
What I find very admirable is showing your own mistakes like that small piece on the connection. I would even love to see more long form videos where you describe the techniques. I've always had an interest in being able to do something like this but there aren't many people who show it off.
This is probably one of the coolest repairs I've ever seen someone do, This shit is so meditative too me, What a rollercoaster and a lucky card/owner. Definitely earned a subscriber from this repair alone.
Despite the x16 being fubard, The reason it ran better after you worked on it is one reason and one reason only. Your one Badass Engineer/Technician. Only 1 way to fix computer electronics, THE RIGHT WAY! And if anyone has to ask whats the right way, well keep watching this guy! He shows ever so eloquently! Great Vid!
Beautiful work, man. Great editing, very chill vibe in general. I wish I could do this kind of work... it's fascinating to me. You got a new subscriber.
For repair requests, please see contact info in the channel about tab or somewhere over there 😊
How much does a repair like this cost? Does it differ how much work do you have to in to it or is it just like 100$ or smth
@@mafian1646 no difference. Any GPU any problem same price. As of today it's 100 bucks.
Parts are extra and you pay shipping your self.
@@northwestrepair You put so much effort for 100$ ? You are giving us people hope :D
1. I was very impressed with your comprehensive fact finding tour. 2. Why were you not able to fix the missing signal to the core and does it mean that Nvidia should honor a replacement card ? 3. Did you end up replacing the controller that drives the memory phase ?
@@mafian1646 well, for him is content too....
this man just casually says 'im gonna lift the core' and here I am thinking that was pretty much impossible. I saw a video on EVGA doing it in a lab. absolutely insane.
It is virtually impossible u need special smd de-soldering and re-soldering gear, it also a lot harder to do than it looks in the video. U need special test gig, and software too, and experience. It also will take you hours..
from what I've heard it's also a massive pain in the butt to do so most people just refuse to do it.
@seanprice7645 Louis has a pact with a demon. Each big re-ball costs him two virgins. That's why he moved out of NY.
Clearly, this guy is a professional who does this for a living. There are others, too. Louis Rossmann, for example.
I can barely wire a relay xD
You guys dont know this but the card came in back for warranty repair.
The controller i used to swap died shortly after so i had it replaced with new and it never came back again.
Lesson learned i guess.
Really enjoy your videos. No ego, no hard sell, just plain entertainment watching your highly skilled work. Kudos
I appreciate that!
Indeed.
Fr!!!!!
man i'm good at electronics but frankly what you did here is awesome ... I can't describe how happy I'm when I saw your work, it's impressive
These GPU repairs are so therapeutic.
For me it’s useful to practice my listening skills.
Yes, makes me feel calm
maybe you are a messy person that cant stand silent videos and gets waay impressed after gaining some patience to watch a simple video, like those ASMR guys.
more content to fall asleep to! :)))
I didn't get how the card was killed, anyone knows? Thanks in advance
I'm marveling at all the specialized equipment and knowledge required... and then I see a pasta roller. Thanks, I needed that!
That got me, best alt use of equipment ever.
I couldn't believe my eyes
You're an absolute wizard. I hope this art never dies out! Every gamer needs a friend like you!
Every electronics user needs a friend like him. I'd love to be trained by him.
He should open his school!!! i would be first student!!! :D :D
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@@linterprete thanks to this video, I was able to spot the issue on a client mobo that was brought in for repair. Apparently having the power on but no post symptoms, as it turns out, he had a beaa of soler sitting between a small chip and another component near the cpu area which shorted out the chip and it had cracked in place. which wasn't very obvious at first glance, but under closer inspection I was able to spot it.
The GPU wizard
I am really amazed by these types of repair. I can hardly produce decent solder with wires and you guys can do a spotless micro-solder. Props to you guys!
It's easier than it looks. Solder mask is almost magical. The skill is in how well you decontaminate it with flux.
Having the proper tools helps a lot.
It's like you are not willing to let any graphics card die haha. Fantastic work!
Well no one wants a PC part to have to become Ewaste if we can help it.
I'm the same with obsolete equipment... I find almost anything interesting, even laptops that are so badly damaged almost every other part needs replacing lol
With how much those damn things cost, always best to try and fix. I just fixed a car audio amplifier from the late 1990s that had blown the mosfet array. Recapped it too. Soundstream Reference 1000sx is now back up and bumping.
it's good that he doesn't (let them die) these things should be preserved they will be priceless history one day. i wish i still had my first PC i built or my second or third.
If we continue progressing technology as we plan to . one day these ancient comptu3ers and video cards will actualy be ancient and they can be used teach furture generations a good deal about how we lived intodays world. other wise much of modern day livign will be lsot to time. imagine if ancient romans had PC's that offered a glimpse into their daily lives, like we do today. we'd have so much more understanding of them than we do today.
I mean.. that's good - way too many electronics end up as e-waste so fast, having more people who know how to do these repairs, and the ability to - increases the chance of also having e-waste reduced in the form of recycling. Graphic cards and other components might die from a part that is $0.50 to replace - but requires knowledge and tools to do it. (reflow machines, etc) - and then it's 'good as new' again. If not - I've never seen a part die out - that didn't have SOMETHING useful on it still, a chip here, a component there, etc.
We need more recycling and repair stations, since companies won't reduce the amount they make (even though they typically make too many of each product, lookin at you Phones!) we need ways to salvage bits from them to reuse and repurpose, even just to fix existing used phones with other parts of used phones. etc.
You're a detective. Love the persistence and inquisitiveness. in today's throwaway culture, it is refreshing to see someone resolved to refurbishing/repurposing older hardware instead of chucking it in the bin. That you devote so much time and effort to a $100 repair ... makes you an artist in my book. Thanks for doing what you do!
agreed man
well, this GPU isn't for any intents or purposes an outdated piece of junk. it can run almost any triple A game at 1440p on high settings without a hinch. so it's worth getting a new life.
but yeah, this man is a legend anyway
@@cyberkekosis He just said its an older piece of hardware, which is true
@@WWhateverItTakes not old enough to be treated like it's useless. 2080 Ti supports everything except FG and runs games about as well as 4060 Ti does which is better than in most systems out there. so if you can fix it for $100 then it's worth it.
@@cyberkekosis He didnt say it was useless either he literally just said its an older piece of hardware
Really nice work. Many years ago, I used to do fine work like this, repairing surface-mount circuitry at component level. Unfortunately, time, age, and arthritis have stopped that for me. But it's good to see someone else doing even smaller-scale work than I used to do.
I always found this work fascinating, but I have an autoimmune disorder that makes it really difficult to sit crouched over something like this for long periods due to joint pain, so I know exactly what you mean.
may God bless u, sir
@@electrofly2989 god invented arthritis and autoimmune disorders...and he blessed them with them. or maybe it's all just bs
@@Cara.314People do not live without being tested in life.
@@AlphaMachina dont give up i had a death sentence and my doctor is slightly annoyed i beat the best before date bye siz six years and the underlying condition is totally gone.
This was the most in depth repair I've seen on YT yet. I like that it was straight forward with no filler. Really well done.
You're like the Bob Ross of GPU repairs, because this is art! You made it look so easy, but we know it takes a lot of expertise. Excellent vid!
"Your GPU is fucked. It had a happy little accident"
Wow. Your solder work is so tight. Amazing job. It was so interesting to get a glimpse on how Video cards flow. It also shows how sad manufacturing has become. I worked for Harris RF communications back in the 80's building, testing, and reworking Military Radio. There were so many checks and tests to make sure a high standard was kept with super tight tolerances. But that is a completely different process and standard.
I had no idea, whatsoever, that these complex circuit boards were even repairable at that level! Maybe, a loose power connector, or 'a' resistor, or 'a' diode -- but that was all I thought was within the realm of practical feasibility.
Given how insanely expensive modern GPUs are, I guess it makes sense that a repair industry would emerge. Still, judging from what was shown, it looks like a very delicate process requiring a great deal of skill. I am very impressed at your skill level, sir! I am bookmarking your channel.
Thank you very much 😊
Also, I imagine some fairly expensive specialized equipment.
@@northwestrepair it is a crazy for me as well. The laptops boards are way much simpler, at least what I had so far.
"at that level!" lol what. This didn't even touch the subject of repairing broken traces from internal layers.
It is impressive, no argument there. But, despite the incredible amount of components it"s still based on "simple" power stages, controllers to feed the beast, then in order for your pc to make sense of it all, information comes out in a predictable way. As always, if something appears too complex, go back to the basics.
Easily one of the best PC hardware videos I've seen. Insane attention to detail overall. Well done 👍
Fascinating and relaxing to watch!! The level of expertise to know exactly how these cards work never ceases to impress me.
I learned my lesson to keep my work area CLEAN when I had repair work that came back like boomerang week later. I finally found out the reason, that was a resistor leg or something similar that had gotten into the device, most probably from my desk.
Remember kids, you keep your work area clean! Always have a hand brush at the ready that you can use to sweep the area to the garbage can :)
Interesting tip for pads not allowing good contact. You may wanna try preheating the pad before putting it onto the card. The additional heat will allow it to compress more and this will in turn result in higher thermal conductivity.
Great tip!
@@northwestrepair I would suggest using a thermal putty such as Upsiren UX Pro and not worry about what thickness to give the thermopad. And for the core I would recommend applying PTM7950, only liquid metal is more efficient than this phase change substance.
@@goorthiss Those are a bit expensive. For a repair business I don't think that's a good idea as a default, though probably a great premium option.
Thanks for the tip! I will try that next time!
@@guycxzon the other hand, if your temps are rock solid for years after your card has been to the repair shop, it's better for the longevity of the card thus that repair shop gets a special recommendation. Remember, many users aren't capable of repasting their own card so perhaps these little bits of additional goodies for $10 per card is worth it for many. I'm sure this customer was thrilled when he saw his temps drop significantly.
Respect for showing your mistake with solder on the pcie slot, that earned you a new subscriber!
I did surface soldering in 1990 in my industrial electronics engineer education in high school, and it was really complicated, I was the only one who got my project working (after resoldering an IC). Really miss that old time 😀
Glad my suggestion helped. I had so much trouble sometimes finding the right thickness of pads (and with the right hardness) I had to buy a pasta maker. That's an awesome tool. I'm not actually sure if my suggestion was the one who brought the pasta make into equation or people use that long before I was using it myself.
very cool hack
I stumbled on this video, and thought I'll skip it after watching for a few minutes. I just couldn't stop watching!
Outstanding work. I really enjoyed watching this and I did learn more things. I found it really interesting that you can roll the thermal pads and make them thinner. Thank you for taking the time to upload this to enlighten us.
Awesome, thank you!
@@northwestrepair awaiting to see more special tools, which you modded to your needs ;-) I also like some kitchen devices!
This is such an impressive skill, I swear it blows me away.
Wow this one was a heck of a roller coaster ride, got my emotions all mixed up and now i dont know how to feel. Probably because I have no idea what it means to run on 8 lanes instead of 16. In fact I have no idea whats going on at all but still enjoying the videos
x8 or x16 is the number of lanes, or circuits essentially back to the CPU from the GPU slot. There is a huge difference in how much data can be transmitted, 100% more I believe on 16 vs 8 but that only matters if the GPU can use more than what 8x can do. That card is right on the limit of bottlenecking on x8, but it only gains something like 2 or 3% performance if you use x16. So it is broken, but still fully fuctional in reality.
this is not something what other "wannabe experts" on youtube can fix/repair, this clearly requires someone with knowledge and years of experience, this guy cleary knows his stuff, i'm really amazed by your skills, my friend.
You went above and beyond, you fixed what was about to be trash, you even installed a performance mod 😂. There's nothing more that can be done. I'm proud of you 👍
I don't think he installed a mod. He wondered if a mod had disabled a data line.
Still not right customer needs to buy a gpu die and this existing die needs to be destroyed
@@shadowopsairman1583 Why? A card like this doesn't _actually_ need the full x16 on modern PCI-E. If it runs fine then why throw it away?
@@shadowopsairman1583 bro💀
!WoW! This is some amazing work. Just Fantastic.
That's some next level knowledge and experience right there. I don't think there are many people who would know how to fix a graphics card, much less actually do it. Kudos.
I'm impressed taking the core out. Never seen that before, interesting.
The amount of works you do to make sure all aspects work correctly is awesome.
Love watching these repairs. My brain doesn’t compute electronics well, so even though I can’t grasp what the heck is going on, I still find it interesting.
Unless the user is using PCI E 2.0 the card should have enough bandwidth at x8 speed for the 2080ti. It's still saved from the landfill and is still usable for gaming.
yeah that's what i said . i'm running a geforce 3070 on 8x 3.0 pci-e (the 16x slot died on my mobo) , and i see no difference on my benchmarks from geforce 3070's running on pci-e 4.0 16x. you really only loose frames when you drop to 2.0 or lower.
@@DenverStarkeyhow did it die? was it random?
@@DenverStarkey Likely would only see a performance loss on direct memory transfers on computational loads like crypto mining and not GPU rendering but probably will over higher frame resolutions over 1080p as the bitrate required for 120FPS at 1080p would be around 750 MB/s where PCI-E 3 1x would be 1GB/s, and at 1080p it's well under the threshold, but 4k it would be 3 GB/s for 120 FPS. Knowing this the theoretical limit of FPS with 8X only at 4K resolutions would be 320 FPS, which you would think would be sufficient. At 8k the max FPS drops to 78 fps, in all these figures they are calculated with an assumption it's only rendering a simple scene such as a solid color to the screen. If the 16x was enabled it's theoretical max would be 156 FPS @ 8K rendering just a solid color to the screen. So, it essentially lost half it's max theoretical FPS at 8k resolutions
@@Tatusiek_1 no it was a slow death , thing is my pc is not a normal upright case , it's a coolermaster HAF XB case , so the motherboard lays horizontial. i think side ways gpu droop is the likely culprit. but i've never heard of a test bench style case causing that issue so maybe it is just a bad mother board.
it first started showing signs while running a 1070 in it back in 2019 the computer would randomly not detect the Video card when powering up. as time progressed it got worse and worse.
at first i thought maybe it was the card , because the 3070 i dropped into it worked fine on the slot for a couple of months but then it started to do the same thing of not detecting till it finnally stopped detecting the video card all together.
also the 1070 is working flawlessly in the older PC i dropped it into.
@@DenverStarkey oh okay
Videos like this have definitely helped me learn about what to look for when troubleshooting and working on my own electronics.
I'm glad there are people w/ exp out here showing others how to do these things.
You may never even realize who's inspired by watching these.
I appreciate that ppl like you take the time to show us
That is a great idea to use a pasta roller to make the thermal pads thinner!!
Kudos from a repair colleague!. I don't work on GPUs, but on communicaction gear. Nowadays everything is diminute and few people adventures on component level repairs, as we do 👌
new sub, I cannot believe how calming it is to see the whole repair process up close, it;'s absolutely amazing what you do bravo sir!
Thank you very much!
beautiful work! both ethics and the way you work is actually a marvel to look at. also, thank you for not giving up until every option was exhausted. it's a joy to see technicians with this sort of ethic guideline still exist.
The camera work was superb also.
The way your mind works is so pure and so precise in the work flow to troubleshoot. It is like a work of magic to see it. I have never seen anyone remove a CORE outside of a factory before. Never realized this could be done tbh. AMAZING! Total Professional!
What a rollercoaster repair. That was awesome. It's incredible the failed chip worked on the memory side. That's just pure luck right there.
well, 62.5% of the chip was not needed so the chances that it would work were pretty high.
Really nice to see someone doing such great work. While a lot of these steps make a lot of sense, they aren't at all obvious to perform. Also, casually whipping out a pasta machine to thin the thermal pad was hilarious.
I was wondering what that was...
Pse explain how that technique works?
I am so impressed how soldering chips onto a board works so "easily". I didn't know that the solder is adjusting itself onto the contacts with that grease through surface tension? or the coated PCB surface repelling molten tin.
Before I was watching such repair videos I thought a computer component with a broken chip with hundreds of tiny contacts beneath it could not be saved anymore without a machine from a fab.
I also want to give you props for your clean work.
For me the biggest joy I see with these videos is customers willing to get their cards repaired. A 2080 is a great card by three generations old. It can still do a ton of work because of how much memory it has. X8 on PCIE 3.0 for a 2080 is not really a bottleneck in a lot of applications.
1 year does not equal a generation
you are buying into artificial generation gaps. a 4090 is barely better than a 1080
@RosefMudson1414 Bud you are wrong. The 4090 is over 4 times faster. Granted I'd never spend more than 500 for a GPU of which the 4090 is 3x pricier.
Marketing worked on you @@MarcABrown-tt1fp
Another awesome video. Not all can be saved, but your efforts are appreciated.
The difference between X8 and X16 is very minimal performance gain for GPU based components. 😇
That's a PCIe 3.0 card, it's gonna suffer performance drop in bandwidth heavy applications.
@@hombrepepega3472 In day to day use with gaming, you will not see any noticeable loss. If you benchmark, you will see a little bit of difference. (MSI B450 Tomahawk, Ryzen 5 3600, MSI RTX 2080 Ventus, 1x NVME 1TB, Soundblaster Z with 2 SATA SSDs.)
@@Del_UK why did you list your shitty rig lol
@@housemana You = Jealous
@@Chaos_God_of_Fate jealous of a walmart special computer? lmao my phone is more powerful than that thing 😆
I am immensely impressed by your skills and dedication to what you do :) Now if only I could get someone to solve my bizzare software/hardware issue :D
Can you elaborate? People might be able to help you out…
Elaborate. Explain whats wrong and we are gonna have a look at it.
These video's are so strangely comforting to watch......
If only there was someone like you in Central-Europe I'd probably saved tens of thousands dollars worth of tech by now.
But thing is, experts such as so are only a handful, finding them is near impossible.
this is super impressive. Big kudos to you for the knowledge, skill and sharing this with others. Amazing to see how broken things can be fixed
Big fan of your work and dedication to fix those GPUs! iam learning a lot from watching your videos! thanks a lot
So enjoyable to watch your repairs! Those funny moments giving your Videos an individual charm! Keep this work up. Greetings from Germany.
Mate! You're an excellent engineer! Watching you work, is inspiring. You managed to not only completely reseat the CPU and diagnose the fault being x8, but you also somehow boosted the performance, with half the expected x16 PCIe lanes and lower the temperature! How the heck you did that, it's wild! Have you considered a job with NVidia?
maybe running x16 is causing throttle issue such that a lower temp with half can perform more than 2x faster?
Vids doesn’t hire repair guys only engineers. Everything is assembled and made by robots
man you're awesome, the passion you put into those repairs is outstanding, I was amazed when you just casually said "lets lift the core" and proceded to perfectly reball it!!!
ASMR channel for sure, we learn so much. Right to repair for sure, never change and stick to your roots! I’m rooting for your channel to grow. Just enjoy what you do!
Yes! Thank you!
Its honestly so amazing and cool that an individual can do these repairs mostly by hand. Keeping these devices out of landfills. I hope that in you posting these videos also inspire people to develop the skills to do this, because we really need more people on the planet who work on modern day circuit boards.
i've never had to repair any expensive circuitry yet so far thanks to warranty, but you've earned yourself a sub. amazing effort and dedication.
also i i believe 2080s still do not use enough bandwidth to overwhelm a PCI-E 3 x8. it should have a value less than -5% when running in 8x instead of 16x mode (unless you're pushing a lot of data in and out of memory, which most games dont always do so its fine)
Yeah, the only time PCIe 3.0 8x bus width would be a problem is if you run out of Vram which I doubt a 2080ti would do in its performance class thankfully.
Just amazing, what you went through to save that card was impressive. Love the presentation as always.
Thank you so much 😊
The amount of work that went into this repair is incredible.
Solid skills man I got lost in a trance watchin your vid its like a form of gaming/electrical hypnotism. Thanks for sharing
Great work. Don't be sorry. Finally, we know how you look.
You are amazing. I could watch you work all day. Wow! I can only imaging you've been doing this a very long time. Thank you for the videos.
My jaw hit the floor when you de-soldered and re-soldered that core by hand. Up to this point I had thought that operation so delicate that only a machine could do it. Very impressive!
My first time ive stumbled across your videos, Your an absolute genius.! fantastic work dude.!
Motherboard: "Hello"
GPU: "Hello"
Motherboard: "What's your name?"
GPU: "I am 2080 Ti"
Motherboard: Beep... "Cool!"
Always wanted to know that....
Just bought a "reconditioned" 1,000W PSU from Amazon. Thrown in a box with no pads. Four screws thrown loose in the box. Two were *inside the PSU* One fell out after violent shaking and the other appeared magically days later.
---------------------------- *Inside the PSU!* ----------------------
"Hello customer, what killed your GPU?"
Customer: Deez nutz!
LOL! I was not expecting that. I needed that laugh.
35 years in automotive industry I have seen Auto Tech go from non feedback carburetors through the feedback then fuel injection and bidirectional control era. The computers all very proprietary and next to nothing for Board level information in the early years. It was a very much an assembly replacement industry up through the early 2000`s. Watching your level of dedication to repair is refreshing even in a industry I know little about. Keep up the good work
Amazing job once again! I guess running these at 8X is totally fine, haha. Your customer will get a lot of life out of this yet. Awesome job keeping these out of the landfill.
That's the plan!
i have no idea whats happening in the procedure and i feel so clueless yet i understand how hard this is and its enjoyable to watch .. Excellent stuff
always so mesmerizing watching you lift clean and reball a gpu, ram, or any SMT
Dude! So happy you showed up in my "content I might like" feed, that was an awesome video. Your work reminds me of a lot of the mechanic videos I like - no frills, just good information delivered concisely with plenty of quality footage to show you exactly what's being done. That was impressive from beginning to end lol. I'm over here proud of myself for wiring a guitar I rebuilt (and I STILL need to rewire position 4 on the pup selector...) and you're just casually swapping controllers around and lifting cores on GPUs 😂 Subscribed my guy, looking forward to more of your vids in my feed.
dude reflows a freakin' thousand pin CPU die like it's no big thing. What skills, god damn.
@11:50 holy crap, you removed the core. Now that's professional work.
I think lifting the core for a missing data line is not worth the risk under most circumstances, there is always some risk of damage during a complete reball like this. Plus the wasted time+effort ofc.
Yeah I think unless you knew it was a physical thing, like you squeeze the chip and board together and it connects, then maybe it could be worth it. But again, the practical performance difference is so slim anyway I think it's really hard to justify
i got here by chance, and oh my god, its amazing, everything, the production to the soundtrack and the history behind the repair, with only little knowledge you can watch the entire video without problems and understand it, i am definitely subscribing and liking it
i would have never reballed a gpu just because it runs at 8x, all the work and risk of killing the gpu for % 5 performance drop is too risky for me. btw, would it be caused by that solder blob on pci e lines ? (typo corrected)
No. Blob was shorting different circuit.
This inspired me to go reading about x8 and x16 lanes - I think I'd be very happy that the card was working again, given the marginal performance gain.
Also - hats off to your level of skill! I've dabbled with soldering and repairs on and off (I had some decent level of training 40 years ago), and this is a whole new level. I found the checking of pin levels and the whole 'ack' side of things most interesting too.
You could say those thermal pads were.... killer
I used to do repairs in the 90s just as SMT was becoming more common watching you remove and re-flow that BGA was something, good skills 👏
Between x16 and x8 mode there not much differences in the fps and bandwidth. No point chasing all the fps that you craved for
Woa, I love how calm, yet insightfully you talk! Thank you for this content!
I never thought I'd feel sad when when he said there's nothing I can do and the somber music kicked in. Then I'm like wtf am I sad over a video card. LOL... Wow great dedication to the work you do on these cards.
It's just so cool how ICs are built and connected along the whole process to separate, clean, prep and rejoin components during repair. All part of complex proprietary devices built in similar standards.
14 minutes flew by like 30 seconds..
I was completely immersed and it was such a peaceful and calming clip..
something about fixing pc hardware that just fills me with quietness
especially when the guy is an expert like him
It's so nice to see someone take such pride in their work. Will definitely reach out if services are ever needed and recommend as well.
That core rework scene was beautiful. The background music fit it perfectly. Sortta gives you the feeling of the amount of time needed to perfect this craft. I remember my first reball, it was a disaster. Props to you man, you've done more of these than I've had hot meals.
Man your knowledge is Unreal, great video!
I appreciate that!
My gawwwd you're detail-oriented!!! 👍👍👍
On a different note, this is soldering artistry at its finest! I think you need to make a video and show how to reflow!
I just found your channel and I'm amazed how professional you are.
Thank you! 😊
love watching these videos. you should also include the time spent diagnosing fixing and the cost of the repair
i've was in IT for a long time and been doing puters since the late 80's and this is the first time i've ever seen a processor removed and replaced by a person, pretty amazing and impressive......
On two account I've had issues with EVGA cards dying on me or having a lot of issues. it was nice to see this video and helped me gain a lot of insight on how deep the creation of these cards go.
I have mad respect for you not giving up. These videos are amazing to watch.
What I find very admirable is showing your own mistakes like that small piece on the connection. I would even love to see more long form videos where you describe the techniques. I've always had an interest in being able to do something like this but there aren't many people who show it off.
This is probably one of the coolest repairs I've ever seen someone do, This shit is so meditative too me, What a rollercoaster and a lucky card/owner. Definitely earned a subscriber from this repair alone.
Despite the x16 being fubard, The reason it ran better after you worked on it is one reason and one reason only. Your one Badass Engineer/Technician. Only 1 way to fix computer electronics, THE RIGHT WAY! And if anyone has to ask whats the right way, well keep watching this guy! He shows ever so eloquently! Great Vid!
Beautiful work, man. Great editing, very chill vibe in general. I wish I could do this kind of work... it's fascinating to me. You got a new subscriber.
Wow! Great craftmans skill!
Unbelievable commitment to repair here.