Alpina B3 v BMW M3 v M340i v M340d: Touring DRAG RACE
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- Опубликовано: 12 янв 2024
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Touring fans let’s gooooo!
We’ve got our hands on the latest & greatest BMW Touring cars, and they’re about to go head-to-head over the quarter mile! The question is, will it be a walkover for the new M3 Touring?
Well, let’s start off by looking at the stats. Starting with Mat in the Alpina B3 Touring, it’s powered by the S58 3-litre twin-turbo straight-six engine from the new M3 Touring. However, the power output has been tweaked, so it delivers 495hp and 730Nm of torque. Power is sent to all four wheels via an 8-speed auto gearbox, and it tips the scales at 1,955kg. If you’re looking to pick one up, the price starts at £80,700.
Alongside it, we have the M3 Touring. It comes with the same 3-litre twin-turbo straight-six, but the power output increases to 510hp and 650Nm. It comes with an 8-speed automatic gearbox and all-wheel drive, and it weighs in at 1,865kg. The starting price for one of these is £87,000.
Then we have the lesser-powered tourings. First up is the M340i, which is equipped with a 3-litre straight-six turbo that puts down 374hp and 500Nm. It’s the lightest car here, at 1,795kg, and the price comes in at around £62,000.
Then finally we have the M340d. It comes with the same size engine as the M340i, with the power output set at 340hp and 700Nm. Power is sent to all four wheels via an 8-speed auto gearbox, and it tips the scales at 1,870kg. The price is pretty similar to the M340i, coming in at around £61,000.
So will it be a clean sweep for the M3 Touring? There’s only one way to find out… LET’S RACE! 
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The 340d looks the cleanest and is also the least expensive, practical and, above all, the most economical too!
And it should have been upgraded to Stage 1 for better perfomance , at least for M340i!
Yeah and it's the slowest.
@@shiTthebed86 i never said that. That's pretty obvious that of all the 4 cars, the 340d was gonna come last all the time.
And The engine noise for a diesel is quite nice.
Considering its not far behind and it costs that little to run I'd opt for the 340d , you can take the family on holiday without using multiple tanks of fuel and with 700nm it still has a good shove on the bum dyno , the reason why I purchased a 435d gran coupe over a 440i
When I see the M3 Touring I say thats a cool car, when I see the Alpine B3 I think thats a beautiful BMW.
The wheels on Alpina's are beautiful!
Probably one of my favourite wheels for a BMW
Iconic wheels
Most beautiful thing about Alpina is, that it's way more, than a few parts and optic changes
I think they've always managed to make a bog BMW into something very attractive. Even from the 80's their wheels and body kits and internal styling just made a BMW so appealing; but when they started stripping and rebuilding the car from scratch and fine-tuning them, what came out was an engineering masterpiece everytime. Unfortunately they failed to identify a lot of BMW's design faults. From 2023/24 Alpina will be the only place people will be able to buy a Diesel BiTurbo BMW. The amazing thing is, Alpina announced last year it is bring back partd production for all of its classic models ranging back to the 80's. So as you can imagine upon hearing that news, the value of classic Alpinas went up a bit lol.
@@upgradeNEVERthe wheels on Alpina B3 kinda reminded me a lot to 2009 SLR McLaren Stirling Moss.
13.1 is a decent time honestly. Props to the diesel. If you can get good MPG'S and still run a 13, that's not a bad day.
BMW really does have some amazing diesel engines for sure! I have a 2018 335D which whilst doesn't keep up with 335i's and 340i's, is still rapid enough and can get me to London and back (from Bournemouth) twice before I need to refill the tank. My old 120i would only handle 1 round trip with careful driving before the fuel light came on 😅
Stage one and that 340d might smoke the other twos
Kinda impressive I do 13.3 in my 2008 135i fully stock (convertible)
I love mine... 50MPG and lovely 700Nm...
Think you can do the same times but with the dog in the boot in the 340d 😂@@lavlogs5782
That Alpina is the pinnacle of 3 series BMWs for me. Best looking, best sounding, best handling (on the road), comfiest and a real rarity. Ultimate Q car vibes.
I agree
It's good but the 340d is the best looking. Sleek and cool.
I’ve never thought Alpina wheels look good, but to each their own
@hofahome they're sporty, but they have more elegance compared to the rest.
The M340i is the most impressive out of the 4. Just a little over a second slower than the M3. Bang for the buck, I’d say!
Just over a second slower to 60.. when one takes 3.5s that’s a fair amount. Who races from 0-60?
@@Ryyyzzorm3 is night and day quicker!
@@RyyyzzorM340i in terms of 0 to 60 time is also surprisingly slower than even the 1982 Corvette C3 Stingray Coupe.
@@purwantiallan5089 feel sorry for people that pay so much for these cars. Germans finessing people
@@hassyg4083just cos u can’t afford one u don’t need to feel sorry for people who can
Surprisingly The diesel 3 is the best looking non m3 out there because it’s got the pre facelift font end
Its the new DRLs that i dont like.
The lights have that weird indentation though
M3 is the worst looking one out of the four by far
Dont mind the exterior but I can't get used to cars having tablets instead of dashboards. For me the prelift interior just looks better.
@@WujekJeffAgree
The B57 engine in the M340d has a dual turbo setup with two different sized vnt turbos. It’s a patent by Borg Warner and called R2S (registered two stage) system.
Thank you 🙏 finally someone knows about BMW
Like in the bmw 123d ?
@@KallouWhatElse Just like that!
;)
I own an e87 123d since 2013 and i love my "little missile"
I have a 2023 M340D and I think my engine is a TwinPower not twin turbo. The difference I believe is twin power is a single turbo but with two intakes. According to BMW's website, the TwinPower Turbo is one single turbo that comes with two exhaust down tubes.
I have been waiting for a decade for this comparison. Back then it was the BMW M5, BMW m550d, Alpina B5 and Alpina D5. Thanks
Alpina B3 is just beautiful. I feel the M3 Touring is a great car, but its one of those cars that look better when you add and tune things. Especially when you put the aftermarket front bumper. That makes it look night and day better.
M3 Touring just need one more thing: Stage 3 Weight Reduction and install the Carbon Bonnet.
M3 looks 100x times proper m car
Ya the B3 to me looks so much better than the ugly M3 face
Yeah I find the front and even the back on most of these hideous
Perfect lineup doesn’t exist
The lineup:
Yanni 🥲
Jesko Absolut v Chiron 300+ v Agera One:1 v Nevera
Imagine Yianni being a part
Eh, no RS
The alpina and 340D specs are just 🔥🔥🔥
Having owned two Alpina products, the ride is always incredibly civilised, and quality inside especially the leather excellent, I would go Alpina over M3 every time if your doing over 15000 miles per year..
I've never commented but this was one of the best drag races ever. You did so much bs and had so much fun. I love all of you search for the bloody MPG figures and when you started swapping cars to trash on the others seating positions i complete lost it.
Such a great fun drag race i hope we get more of this :D
Yes it was a fun episode. I hope the Fox is doing well :)🦊
Yeah it was fun
yeah hope to see this fun episode more, especially with 4 guys
@@richardlabejavery fun episode surprisingly too.
boring drag as usual
Id like to see this race again but with a tune on both the m340's... That would be interesting
Alpina B3 should add the engine swap from Saleen S7.R LMGT2.
Want to see that definitely but there’s also a cheap tune for s58
So would like to see tuned 340s against regular s58 and then a race all of them tuned
Gearbox tune on the M340i would be interesting
@@RepentandbelieveinJesusChrist0: you mixed Soco Bob and Carwow Mat movies probably 😂
@@purwantiallan5089 engine swaps are not that easy buddy
This has been one of THE best episodes EVER if not THE BEST !
I just love how you're just spitting the facts about the cars, give a little tease on revs and then give it a go. No bla bla, just gorgeous work.
Personally, I prefer the pre-LCI look of the M340d over all the others. KITT Tuning is offering a M8 style bumper for the pre-LCI G20 and it looks sick.
I prefer everything on the pre-LCI, no shitty tablets slapped to the dashboard = clean dashboard, idrive, head lights...
alpina looks better, has actual sound and power.
The pre-LCI 340i looks so much better than the LCI. I don't like the headlights or front and rear bumpers on the LCI.
Damn I didn't even know they made an M8 bumper for G20. Personally I don't like the notch in the headlight of the PRE LCI so I prefer LCI but I dont like how they removed the side vents on the LCI which made it look a lot less aggressive. Hopefully someone out there makes a nice bumper for the LCI and brings back the vents
@@99Lezard99i also miss the BMW ALPINA LMGT3 Car... Its as amazing in terms of looks like the Alpina B3.
Mat is the kind of guy who keeps changing the rules on the basketball court when he loses, until he secures a win he takes his ball and goes home. And brags he won. 😆
Yup. Petty child
Was about to type the same 😅
Correct
he is slowly evolving to a tosser
Also, he's pretty rude in this video.
It's like his never before seen side of him.
That’s a really great gathering. We need more Alpinas on Carwow, as long as they still exist. BMW owns now Alpina and it’s not clear which direction they go. More luxury or more hybrid/electric power or both. No more B7 and a B5 is unclear.
11.3s for the M3 Touring is really fast. A few years back the F90 M5 got in the best case 11.1s, when the terrible launch control finally worked (and sometimes 12s when not). A rumored CS version could be a lot of fun.
Absolutely brilliant. I've been waiting for this one. Matt and your team are genius.👍
That Alipina is absolutely stunning. The "lots of spokes" wheels never disappoint
They are not fun to clean, but yes, a fantastic look :)
This is testimony to how good the B58 engine is. Yes, it may not beat the full M car, but it will probably smoke any other car with a similar power output such as the C43 and S4
I think it the best bang for buck.
I remember carwow drag race from years ago when M340i almost beat B9 RS4
@@ChR0nos_7734feels like the m division made this car instead of bmw. Underspecced and overperforms like the m cars.
I mean the new C43 is a 2.0L inline 4 with some electric nonsense going on. Just a turd of a car. It's still somewhat quick but it ain't touching an M340i
I’m almost exactly even with my friend’s 2022 M340i xDrive with my 2017 C43.
Finally, all touring race. amazing, keep them coming please!!!!!
Wicked video once again. I loved the seat swap bit. Great humour all round 😆👍🏼
The back of the 3 series is just one of the sexiest rear ends of any Bmw!
Indeed 🥰
The final 5 minutes of the video are pure gold!!!!
They all performed very well and you've gotta love all of the aftermarket performance options that all of these touring wagons have available to jam more air into the engine for bigger bangs.
This was a really fun episode, especially with all those extra bits that are not normally in other "normal" drag race episodes. I quite liked it. I'm sure many other viewers did too.
First time i have seen Sam win. That M3 launch is terrific 🔥🔥🔥
M3's launch is like Renault 5 Maxi Turbo Rally Car. Quick off the line.
Love it! The race we didn't realise we needed to watch, but did!
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excellent video! testing the seats ... classic
Great line up! I would like to see the same race with the X3 cars. Alpina XD3, X3 M Comp, X3 M40i, X3 M40d
As a pre-LCI M340d Touring owner, this just cements why I love it so much as it literally can do everything. To enjoy this negligible difference in performance (most noticeable here but hardly anything in day to day driving) - but with that also can't get worse than 35mpg when driving it like it's stolen, and best I've had is 740 miles out of tank and 72mpg over a 100 mile journey. The BMW B57 is an engineering masterclass.
I agree. It's all well and good watching the gap grow on a runway, realistically on UK roads a 340d will reach and exceed the speed limit out of any corner/roundabout/sliproad in a matter of seconds. I enjoy accelerating hard in those situations but do like to keep it "at or near" the speed limit so I don't lose my license. To have that performance whilst still getting 45mpg instead of 20 odd is the best of all worlds
Just back from a 2000 mile trip to Europe in mine and averaged 46mpg including 1000 miles in Germany where my average speed was 115mph and 38.7mpg. Backed out of it at 163mph indicated (traffic)
No doubt the 40i is a faster car but for 95% of my driving I’ll take the 40d
@@jammasterflash9448it’s a diesel if I want a six cylinder get a petrol not some garbage diesel that belongs in a truck
@@lukeskywalker1666 each to their own
@@lukeskywalker1666 what a weird narrow minded view.
I will never get over the buck tooth grill on the G80 M3. The paint and wheels on the Alpina are perfect. I would kill for those wheels for my 340i.
The pig nose is still awful to this day. Love my M340i LCI
@@aus10li 100% real bro
The seating position review was the best part of this. I’d love more of that in the videos with so many cars.
great editing on this one
“42.5 mpg that’s the real winner here” tickled me 😂
I would always go for the 340d as an everyday ride.
For absolute no reason other than saving money...
@@weed46 Yeah so you can do things like afford a mortgage have other hobbies take your family out, not worry about driving across country costing far more…..
@@maxpowers1187 If the engine choice of your luxury car changes the possibility of paying mortgage or not, then you have your priorities wrong... Maybe you should stay with a Renault Megane for the time being.
You need to start using modern gasoline engines my friend... They are A LOT more economical. The 340i has a WLTP of 7.5l per 100km. that's what a 335d did not long ago.
The fuel savings aren't going to save you mortgage.
Diesels for a start are more expensive, then the maintenance is also more expensive. Which means that if you don't drive a lot, it can actually be more costly than petrol.
Not even mentioning resale value.
Why?
A BMW isn’t a luxury car for a start…
The 340d will get 50mpg easily whilst the 340i is in the mid 30’s so that’s your second claim in the bin
Maintenance is also now a complete irrelevant point petrols are just as expensive and more so to service, set of spark plugs for a 340i costing £300 just for plugs…… my father inlaw paid £700 for a full service on his 340i I service mine myself but I was quoted £200 for a fuel service and the 340d and 340i are the exact same price retail so that’s your last point out of the window……. And your obviously unable to detect artistic licence with the point implying that with the 40d will save you money you can spend else where…. its also called Petrol not gasoline the rest of the world doesn’t acknowledge yank speak
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The 340d is the best real world car of the test. In my family we have 340i’s x3 30’ds 340d’s so I have enough knowledge to pass opinion also the resale value of the D’s in GB is is only less because far more people buy 3.0 Diesel’s than petrols making them relatively rare regardless of what the media will have you believe…
Love the Saturday Drag races! 4rm CarWow
Great team that you have here Mat’ ! 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻
Day to day the M340D is the best lets be honest
ond of the funniest drag races, i really like the little interior comparison and the weird sitting ones 😂
Thx for a great race!
P.S.: if you put the cars into Neutral for sound check, you can get rid of soft limiter.
Always nice to have the whole fam-bam for a vid!
9:01 i think this alpina looks really good, the new alpinas are great!
Great stuff Matt, have wanted to see this lineup with the Alpina. On a long road trip the M340d ( or a D3 S) would need half the amount of fill ups as the M3 or B3. Also the B3 would be better on the autobahn than the M3.
That’s not true at all. M340i will do 40mpg easy on long trips.
@@TrueFilteryes correct - I meant vs M3 or B3. Amended 👍🏻
This….right here…. I don’t have a car these levels but I have 2014 328i touring, I absolutely love it. As a family man as well it’s SO much cooler than a minivan. Thank you for this 🎉😂
top tier level video today guys 😂 loving the banter 👏🏻
I really think the B58 sounds better than the S58.
It certainly does
Definitely. N55 sounded better than S55 too. BMW'S twin turbo sixes don't sound that great. N55 and B58 sound nice though
Well for one Active Autowerke does offer a mid pipe/uel option to make these sound more natural and single turbo like
До 2019 года звук был лучше у b58!
As an owner of an s58 and b58, you’re right. Twin turbos kill the sound as does the unequal length exhaust. But the s58 is a flash tune and e50 away from 800 horsepower. A b58 will need way more mods including an aftermarket turbo.
Timesaver
5:10 First Dragrace
6:30 second Dragrace
7:34 3rd Dragrace
For use on British roads I would choose the M340d
The drag race we all needed! The driving position bit was hilarious 🤣🤣
The alpina with m3 headlights would look amazing
The fastest car was fastest and the slowest was slowest. These drag races never cease to surprise me.
You guys are FLAT OUT awesome!!!
Great review!
Now let's tune that 40d and 40i for a rematch !!
40 d would win
40d would still lose
give both a tune, the diesel would still lose. it has like 200nm more but still cant keep up because torque matters on a tractor not in a car
@@99Lezard99 Torque absolutely matters on a car. That's what you drive them with. Drag racing might be out of that realm though.
It would be good on steeper road😅@@99Lezard99
That 340D is a weapon, miles better mileage, near as much performance. Not much downaides with it
Unfortunatelly particulate filter DPF which in city starts to cause problems after 1-2 years
A Top Gear style Roadtrip video would be excellent with you four. Maybe you guys could try something like that. 👍🏽
I still choose the Alpina ! What a car 😍
I have a G20 pre lci 330i. Love this car. Yea, 340i would be better, but its too expensive for me and 330i is also nice 😊
Finally a drag race of different selections of the BMW 3-series estate 😊
The zoom in on the hand slap at around 5mins absolutely slayed me for some reason. Props to the editor.
For me I just love a very thing about Alpina.
Definitely going to look at this as an option come trade in time. 👍🏼
The 340d is the winner for me, good looks and, decent mpg
And slow.
@@TrueFilter for city commute u don't need 500+ hp mate...
@@lordflint6964 better with a 320d or i then.
I would love to see 535d vs m550d vs 540i vs 550i! Previous gen then ofcourse
That’s stupid ofc the 40i and 50i would beat these diesels
@lukeskywalker1666 a 40i isnt faster than an m550d period.
@@hexagonosaurus5848 power to weight ratio 140i has same amount of bhp stock and weights 400kilos less, you have no clue about cars
Great race!!!
Personally love the M3 Touring and was rooting for it the whole video! Would love to get one myself.
Mat Watson offers the best aspects in every car he shows us 🙏
Seems like he always has best aspect in every single best car.
The Alpina clearly looks the best though
The race we needed
You guys have so much fun! I would as well....
For me, one of the best drag races in recent times 🤙
We live times when a 3 series beemer weights nearly 2 tons and costs at least 60 grand. Unbelievable...
Inflation is real. In 10 years time, the only brand new cars under 100 Grand will be Chinese cars.
All 4 amazing cars, I've driven the 340i and a 440d and brilliant engines and offer brilliant performance
It's been really entertaining watching Matt evolve
I gotta say it. The diesel looks the best.
With a lowering kit, darker wheels, I think you’d have an absolute menace of a ride.
Small detail, the pre-LCI still has leather at the hornplate. But I‘d say the Alpina looks the best 😀
I'm sure the 340d has a small turbo for low down and a large for higher up the rev range like the 35d before it. That twinpower label under the bonnet doesn't help and is on me 435d when it should have twin turbo as it has 2.
It’s a diesel, absolute garbage cars
@lukeskywalker1666 has nothing to do with what I am talking about. It's decent on fuel for a 3.0l and in the real world people with the extra power can't even drive anyway. Its a crusing about car and all these at over 1800kg are boats anyway so hardly nimble b road blasters.
Plus the petrol ones on here sound shit compared to an om606 merc diesel.
And if we are gonna talk about fun. I have a 750kg lightweight 70s rwd opel which let's be honest will be more fun than any of these for a b road blast and can stay in my lane and nip past wide cars without slowing due to the width of some roads in the uk.
Diesel are slow garbage tractors snail for peasants
3:42 Actually that 340d sounds quite good! 👍
I have the Alpina D3 S Touring...amazing car
Just look at that gorgeous alpina. That's what the M3 should have looked like from the beginning
it's the most sunday afternoon dad's reunion drag race i ever seen XD, so funny
Man that 340d is such a beautiful spec! Ultimate daily
You get peace of mind not by thinking about it or imagining it, but by quietening and relaxing the restless mind.
The 340d is absolute lunatic and feel special being least expensive . but M3 is the devil.
The Alpina is actually the best looking for me. Props to the M3, what it lacks in looks, it makes up for performing like a Japanese😅.... i mean perfectly aftermarket built track car. I would still daily that diesel.
Like a Japanese?
@@user-fo9xe9wl2e a JDM car ma guy. Pump the brakes there. 😂
This is a dope review.
I love the front end of the B3 paired with the s58😍
Id like to see the same again with the m340i and m340d both at stage 1
That Alpina is so good looking 😍👌🏿
I had a white 2008 B7 Alpina & what I was told was top speed was the goal. I know they didn’t make an M7 back then but an B7 Alpina vs 760Li was suspension & power. Also had a 2010 BMW 750 Li xdrive & the Alpina was on a different level, as it should.
Thank u for this video I’m in the market now for a M340i or M340d
Summary: The results were exactly as expected and were also very impressive all round. For driving on UK roads any one of these is an almost perfect all-rounder.
I'd take the M340i any day, the comfiest, smoothest, and quietest in the cabin (along with the M340D) more than quick enough, and with the B58 there's enough headroom to run 500WHP from a good Stage 1
You can also run it in Eco mode. Don't think the M3 does that. It'll coast with the engine off and you can hit mid 40's MPG easily on a run.
B58 are the best engine. Enough power to drive in city and motorways/freeways. M3 is quickest but not a day to day practical car.
@@sexyhunk84 Yep, also I forgot to add the power band of the B58 is far superior to the S58, with peak torque coming in at about 1600rpm up to 5000rpm, whereas the S58 has to be around 2800rpm for max power to kick in, meaning in the real world when you're cruising in 5th/6th gear and you go to 75% throttle for an overtake, it's instant power, whereas the S58 in the same situation would have to kick down to 3rd/4th gear, causing a delay, and using more fuel.
@@Shaggy12321 That's impressive. I feel that when I cruise my X3 M 40i. It has the same B58 engine as you get in 340i. I love driving my BMW. Simply anyday better than their counterpart in Merc and Audi.
@@biddyboy1570M3 has eco modus, watched a m3 review 👍🏻
The musical chairs bit was brilliant!
The m340d is a twin turbo set up. 30d = single, 40d = twin and 50d = quad (old 50d = triple)
I'd love it if they started including the trap speeds at the end of the races. I'm curious how much faster Mat was traveling in the Alipina in the last race, even though the M crossed the line first
I am driving the m340d as my daily for arround a year now. This car is just perfect! If you want to, you can go at 5,5 L / 100km- or full throttle fun machine. The spread is incredible. 👍
love all the in between scenes almost like a BTS
Best comparison ever!