Toughness Test K390 vs Cruwear vs S110V
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- Опубликовано: 29 ноя 2018
- Isn’t this video I do a toughness test on three different Spyderco’s with k390, cruwear, and S110V. I test the factory edge on cruwear and k390, and sharpen all three knives to do the test again.
This is an encouraging video. Just picked up an cruwear PM2.
Thank you for your eagerness to help us out!
I love how easily the cruwear strops right back to sticky edge sharpness
kevin auman it’s amazing stuff👍
I just found your channel really liked the test u did in the different steels and show how they each hold up to the abuse a new subscriber hope to see more 👍
Thanks man! I just started trying to get back into making new content, but I do have a lot from before. Looking forward to doing some testing like this in the future though.
Awesome channel bro I appreciate you doing this to your knives for our info
Great video, very informative as I have all 3 steels which are my Keeper Spydercos. Many thanks for sacrificing your blade edges during the demo 👍👌🏻👍😊
Great work, thanks for the video!
Lawrence Schmidt Thanks man... glad you dug it.
Great tests, thank you so much!
Thanks man!
Over an hour and you have no conclusions. Good job, buddy.
I applaud you for doing these tests, I could “feel your pain” as the edges contacted the test subjects. I’d consider, a not doing these with new knives, but if you must I’d suggest like putting a pencil through the lanyard hole and rotating up the blade to a measured height before letting it fall/rotate to somewhat standardize the tests. But then again I’m sitting on my butt reading while you are sacrificing virgin blades, so your opinion matters.
Hahaha thanks man. That’s a good idea with a pencil through the lanyard hole... the only problem would be if I do a knife that doesn’t have one, or has one in a different place even. That definitely makes me think though. I know I could make a contraption... it’s just the time it takes to do so, I don’t really have lol wish I did.
I could feel your pain once the deformation started with the staples brother😂, I appreciate you continuing in spirit of video and testing for us 💪🏽✌🏽. I would’ve been cancel the testing 😂, I remember when I smack the tip of my PM 2 and burred the tip of the blade, I was crying 😅, I was able to sharpen it and smooth it out . Lol
It's awesome you're doing these tests. I would like to see a direct test of S30V, S35VN, S45VN, and Cru-Wear to answer the question of A) how significant of an improvement is S45 over the more common 35/30, and B) how do the first three compare to a steel associated with the toughness of Cru-Wear in terms of everyday use? It would also give us an early look of how big of a real world improvement S45 is over the base S30, and could be used to argue whether or not S45 should replace S30 as Spyderco's base steel on the PM2/3.
Absolutely! That would be a cool test. I would just have to get s35 and s45 from Spyderco, to test up against each other. I only have s30 from them right now, and I don’t really have any intention of buying the others right now.
I liked the vid. Thanks for doing the test
Hyper nova no problem man... I’m going to have another one soon.
You help a lot of knife guys out finding out Whitch is the best steel and we appreciate it
Cruwear is by far my favourite steel (I've used do far). I'm sure there's better steels out there, but I've got experience with all the favorites.. 420HC, VG10, VGMAX, 154CM, S30V, S35VN, S110V, 20CV (second favourite), M4, 52100. Cruwear reigns supreme in my opinion.
I too love Cru-wear, and in certain scenarios it could be the "best". You should try Rex 45, Vanadis4Extra, Maxamet, K390, ZDP189, Vanex Super clean, ELMAX, S90V (if toughness isn't a big concern), and MagnaCut. Cru-wear has definitely been gaining more favor with me ever since I got my first taste about a year ago. Everytime I think it has reached the highest level it can get to, it shocks me with something new and goes up even higher in my book. Most recently I picked up the new Benchmade Shootout. That is a sexy fucking knife. 3.5 inch OTF tanto that is so lightweight because of the carbon fiber elite scales and the thinnest 3.5 inch blade I've ever seen on an OTF. The Cru-wear is the reason they were able to go so thin with the blade. Toughness, edge retention, and it is easy to sharpen. All it needs is DLC coating to stop it from rusting. Cru-wear is definitely in my top 10 best all-around folding knife steels.
Cant go wrong with good ol 420hc! Its great for a Nice big Knife! :D
maxamet
love all blade steel toughness test video
Thanks for the rock test. I needed a laugh today. Gave my Blurple's tip the 3 foot concrete drop test the first week. Lost over an 1/8.
A 3’ drop would take that out of just about any steel.
@@inthepocket7405 I had two different microtech socom elites taste asphalt and tile from shoulder height on the first day of having each.
Thanks for making this video and for the results... i appreciate ur sacrifice for the data, and like erica says "use ur sh*t"
Great comp. I wish Spyderco would make a K390 Para2, 3.
This is a good test being a mechanic for years. I use a knife like a knife I scrape gaskets off steel an aluminum, I've cut wires ( usually copper) lots of wire ties an much more material. I like xhp really to be honest I use coldsteel because of back lock after liners folded up on me twice an cut me good once. Another thing I've hit is nails in wood but all in all I've not found a reason to pay high dollar for knives when so many great knives are under$100 an d2 has did me next best really my favorite cheap steel I've not had luck with s35vn its either soft or chippy I have not used coldsteel but have used spyderco s35vn my knife is a roll the edge steel. Lot of money in knives brother nice video this is how we figure if they are really different or a money game. I will say I'll take soft over chippy any day way easier to strop then edge profile have a good one
Could you please provide a link to the microscope you used in the video?
You were right in saying there was inconsistencies in the rock test. The length of the knife throws off how hard you hit the rock 😁👍.
Robert [Zakienwar] I consider that when I’m doing the testing and try to compensate
I may have missed it. But what stones did you use to sharpen. Particularly the s110v. Were they diamond stones?
Yes, I always use diamond. Kme gold... they are pretty much dmt stones.
Thank you for this video
Which of those 3 blade steels has the highest HRC?
Fuck yea man... I'm Stoked your doing this.
SuperSteel Steve Yeah, thanks man. You’re my inspiration haha. This is a long one, but I showed a lot of the process. Next time I’ll make it a lot shorter, and just show the results.
@@inthepocket7405 I'm honored to be even a thought bro.
I enjoy seeing the process. And that rock is a good idea!
Great vid brother....
Damen0530 Thanks bud
Could you comment on the difference of sharpening after all these works? I think this will be a great chance to compare their sharpening ability and time. Thank you.
Amos Wang Hey Amos, I can definitely give you some feedback. Although, I did not have to reprofile the s110, I found that the stones felt really similar on that vs the k390, with a very similar result. I almost felt like the s110 was a little easier though, surprisingly. They both came up very keen and sticky on the apex. The cruwear, on the other hand, stood out big time. It was much quicker in reprofiling, and came up much quicker. The stones were much more effective on the cruwear, and it is a steel that continues to amaze me. I would suggest any of these, depending on your sharpening capabilities, and also what you use your knives for. Hope this answers any questions you had👍
@@inthepocket7405 Thank you very much! This answers my questions. Were you using diamond stones?
Amos Wang I was using my kme gold series diamond stones, on my kme sharpening system.
Nice knives and tests.
Thanks man
@@inthepocket7405 Anytime bro.
Very interesting and unusual video. This week I have purchased a Manix 2 in Maxamet based on edge retention but I have no idea which steel has the best toughness. Greetings from Spain.
Trying something different... I don’t know. lol There have been people like BBB and Supersteel Steve that have put Maxamet through nails, so I don’t think you have to worry about it being brittle. It has great edge stability, maxamet. Just be careful with low grit diamond stones on the Apex in sharpening... seems like you don’t want to go under 300 grit in refining the apex.
I love how's he's like I love the cruwear as he's holding the k390 had me confused
You whack it a lot lol! Nice video bro. I need to get me some k390!🤘👊
dlby3 😂 thanks man:) it is great stuff, and I wish they used it in more knives. They finally came out with the pm2 and para 3, but I don’t like the pm2, and I already have too many para 3’s lol
Great video! Next test use the para 3 with different blade steels to have a more accurate result then using lets say a shaman, para 2, and a para 3!!!🤓🤓🤓
Thanks! Yessss... lol I want to do that too! I can do M4 vs 4v vs Maxamet 😁😁😁 and throw some s90 in there for the SS crew lol
Gold video🎉🎉❤
K390 strikes a really good balance for me…its edge retention is absolutely top shelf. I’ve rolled through what felt like miles of cardboard and the working edge stays completely intact. I’ve never had a chip and even in the northeast, with all sorts of fucked up weather, no rust…maybe a bit of color but that’s it. Being an enthusiastic freehand sharpener, Cruwear is still my favorite steel…but K390 is really, REALLY up there. There isn’t much downside there unless you sweat acid or work at out sea.
Or if you use the knife for food prep.
Then s110v is the right way to go!
Great testing and microscopic can u do maxamet.
Bro loved this video! Watched the whole damn thing! Currently in turmoil as to what steels to go for on my pm2 and Para 3! Whether to go for the stainless s90v or s110v or cruwear or maxamet tool steel! 😂 I'm sort of thinking both but my bank isn't!! 😂
Francis Lawrence Thanks buddy! I commend you for that... it was a long one. That’s a tough one, but I don’t think you could go wrong with any of those choices. It does depend on your sharpening skills though, or if you have a fixed system or not. Cruwear is the most friendly sharpening wise, and you’re not giving up much for it either. It’s a magical steel... but in saying that, I love all of those steels, except I don’t have any experience with s90v, but I need to haha I was always under the impression that s110 made it obsolete, but Steve has changed my perspective on that haha
@@inthepocket7405 Haha, long but riveting for an addict like me! 😂
Yeah I sorta just want to get cruwear just because it looks such a nice all round steel! On the sharpening side of things, I have a Spyderco UKPK in s110v and sharpen it free hand on Japanese water stones with no problems! Bit of a sharpening addict too and sorta want the challenge of maxamet! 😂 Yeah Steve messed everything up with his s110v vs s90v vid! I was all set to go ahead and get them both in s110v and have done with it as that's what easy to get over here, but then his vid made s90v more appealing and then I started thinking on the tool steels again! 😂 ah well! Time will tell which will work out best. Might get one in s110v or s90v and the other in one of the tool steels and see how I get on with them. 😂
Francis Lawrence well, I’m glad you enjoyed it buddy:) I’m the same way...
I don’t think you could go wrong with cruwear. It is a joy to sharpen, and take a stupid keen edge. It probably is the most enjoyable sharpening. Since sharpening is not an issue though, if you can get your hands on a Maxamet pm, do it! Maxamet blows my mind... they’re all great though, and I don’t think you could go wrong. Yeah, I really need some s90 now haha
My police 4 FULL serrated K390..blew me away...so the toughest folder i have
Cruware is not my favorite steel. I don't typically run my knives into obstacles such as rocks and staples, so do not require its main attributes.
Corosion resistance and edge retention during normal cutting tasks are more important to me, so zdp, 110, 90, and more recently, rex45, maxamet and 15.
Thanks for a great, comprehensive reveiw. Still ho,ds up, all these years later.👍
cruwear can be ran thinner without chipping or rolling than some of those and is easier to sharpen than all. thinner geometry improves performance. cruwear with a low temp temper is pretty damn near stainless where some of those you mentioned aren't even close to such. It depends on your use case and some other variables for steel choice I agree
God man, I applaud you!! Not many people can take $500-600 in three knives and beat the piss out of them. 😬😳 I LOVE my CruCarta Para2 though and I’m getting ready to add a K390 stretch 2 to my Spydie collection. I have zero interest in S110V though. I want a Spydie in Magnacut soooooooo bad though.
Great choice for the stretch 2 K390, it is number one on my list which I carry every day!
@@Rafaelinis yeah I’m really loving it! I use it a lot in the kitchen so it’s getting a nice patina to it already. For my daily carry though I have a hard time choosing between my Para 2 in Maxamet, my CruCarta Para 2 or my blade hq exclusive mint Manix 2 in M4. Those are my main three carry knives.
I did try test like this long time ago but different test medium (Aluminium, Copper, Brass and Steel) I was comparing S7 ,D2 and S35VN and all 3 perform similarly.. Aluminium and Copper did absolutely nothing and put on 3 mirror 0.25micron edge with no damage at all but ones I came to brass the damage was significant and steel with comparable result.. Rex 45 and k390 should perform best in this regard cause this test is more towards the edge stability than the actual toughness of the steel.. I'm surprised with S110V results.. Good job Kenny..
Thanks Marek! That’s really cool man... I plan on doing much more when I get the time. I was surprised by the s110 as well, and that was Rockwell tested around 62... so much for hard meaning brittle... k390 is at 65.5 too. I think Rex45 will perform even better... I think I’m going to test it against M4 👍 how are you doing buddy? How is you and your family?
@@inthepocket7405 I love k390🙏 I think it's the best performance overall steel (IMO).. Yeah Maxamet can outcut it but not by a lot and we're anyway talking about ridiculous amount of cutting.. I'm better now Kenny.. I did what I could with the house but we can't and won't live there at least another month cause it feels wet inside.. Unfortunately I've lost most of the stuff that I bought since I moved to Indonesia and I was basically improving repairing investing in the house and in the end it went down the toilet but it's gonna be alright.. Stuff I can buy new, luckily nothing happened to any member of family cause 39death people doesn't sound like a catastrophe (unless you're 1 of those 39) that was killed on severe hypothermia and 11 of them got electrocuted.. Don't worry everything is fine and your fantastic work just make me not to focus on it so much.. Thank you Kenny🙏
"it'll still cut you" lmao I've cut people with my army issue mess kit spoon. Not the plastic spoon from the MRE although that would probably work too. It's all about how much effort you are willing to use.
Love the video but damn as soon as you scraped that zip tie I got chills and had to mute the video! 😂
This video should be named Spyderco K390 vs Spyderco Cruwear VS Spyderco S110V
Agree!
I love my cruwear para3 and my 52100 para3 for toughness but I deff have wanted to try k390 and m4! I also have a native in maxamet but just cannot seem to get the edge as sharp as I'd like so it's been set side till I get some diamond sprays for stropping
kevin auman I do love M4, and K390 is right there with it. Although I think M4 sharpens better. Yeah, definitely need diamond stones and compounds for maxamet, or you just can’t get it as keen.
@@inthepocket7405 I mean it shaves and just barely whittled hairs but it's not that sticky edge I like
Favorite steel so far? Im quite curious!
SOMNIOHM man, that’s tough, but it would probably be between three favorites... Rex45, cruwear, and 4v are my top three right now
Can you do a pry test with the tip
Wish a tip test was done.
You should use plain and more consistent stone to be precise!!
Also bit short please ❤
Damn 🫣
gotta find a way to condense these videos. i thought super steel steve was long winded..........
tinpan alley I did say I left this longer to show most of the process for everyone. The most recent one is like half the length.
Eh, it’s a hobby. Fun to make, fun to consume.
I treat these like podcasts. Appreciate everything everyone posts if it’s knife data related
23:53.....#cringe!!haha great vid bro with exactly what i wanted to see.thank you for f@#king up your edge's so i don't have to lol😂🤣😂
Lol yeah it never feels good, especially after just sharpening😬 thanks buddy👊
#edgesnobprobs "I dont have any hair" hahaha
kevin auman 😂🤣
Hahahaaaaa yessssss!!
Seki City K390 is higher heat treat than Golden Colorado. By a bunch.
I'd like to see you test s30v, s35vn, and xhp
I have a toughness test I did with S30v vs Xhp, I did it more recently. I’m probably going to make a playlist for those.
@@inthepocket7405 nice I'll check it out
Yea man!! I second that notion..most of my small collection is xhp and s30v..would love to see that.
Is your neighbor's diesel truck a ford?
Hyper nova hahaha your good... it is a van though👌
I could be hearing wrong, but I thought I heard this kid say "cheap S110v steel". From what I hear, S110v is a super steel that is not cheap.
Chippy* it does have lower toughness than something like S30V
@@ItsPitterPatter but it's not "cheap" as the video claims it is.
He says it’s chippy not cheap.
So S110v likes to chip? Just don't hit metal boi
What you call “gouges” I call ticks. What you call “whacks” I call taps. (My wife thinks I’m a weird man)
Congrats👍
You scraped a zip tie instead of using the knife to cut it like people normally would??? 🤔
Troy?
I bought a 940-1? The 110v with carbon fiber, cut some dirty nylon straps and chippy describes it perfectly, none of my other steels did that. Garbage imo.
s90v?
s110v
Yes s110v.
K390
All three of those are excellent steels. I want to see a comparison with K390, Rex45, 10V, Vanadis4Extra, and either MagnaCut or Cru-wear.
*120 minutes? Are you free king kidding?*
Its just a knife!
Amazing how poorly cut the masking tape is for someone with 3 sharp knives on his bench. Just sayin'. 🙂
And thanks for the video.
It might not be rolls on those blades, it might be the shitty metal your smacking em' into
Dude, why are you using a $200 knife to cut cardboard? Why not use a three dollar box cutter?
If you want to test toughness use wood, rubber and get some bones from the butcher.
Marin Capital there is no joy in using a 3$ box cutter, and the ergonomics on box cutters are usually awful. I think that stainless steel staples, wire, zip ties, and a rock are pretty good tests of toughness. How is rubber a good toughness test, and how is it any better than the 3 I used? Bone might be cool, but wood does not really test toughness any more than the media I chose.
InThePocket
Well we use knives to cut rope, (flesh bone) hunt and leather. The zip ties are brilliant. I like your test, I just think cutting paper is not a great test. Leather is. Try and cut some old shoe leather into strips for us. See how the edges hold up.
Marin Capital cutting paper isn’t part of the test. Cutting paper is just used to show you the state of the apex. I would never think that cutting paper or cardboard would test the toughness or edge stability of a steel.
@@marincapital2586
Youve completely missed the point
Eyedea315 educate me
Dude eaes up on the blow and start the video.
CPM Cru-Wear is FAR superior to K390.... in toughness, wear resistance, edge retention, etc..... K390 is a great knife steel, but it’s not in the same class as Cru-Wear.
Lol
Wow, this is slow....
Totally unwatchable. 9 minutes to, sort of, describe what you are going to do, then you repeat yourself at every step AND you stop doing anything while you talk! Constructive criticism: describe the intent of the "test" in 60 seconds. If you can't summarize it in a minute, you haven't thought about what you are really going to be testing yet. Next, don't punish viewers by telling us over and over and over what you are GOING to do, just DO it. Summarize results, don't take each step as another opportunity to ramble. I'll end with this, testing should always, always, test ONE variable at a time. That means either a user edge, or a factory edge. If you don't have all factory edges, sharpen them all the exact same way. Test them all the exact same way. And don't treat viewers like they are children. Yes, we know if you can SEE deflection and chipping on a blade it is not going to cut very well. That's a given, it doesn't require 5 minutes of reiteration.
Totally unreadable... did you look at any of the other comments? You are in the minority 👍 plenty of other channels out there.... have a nice day
@@inthepocket7405 I understand that a lot of simps offer glowing praise where it is not appropriate. Sort of like every player gets a trophy. In that vein, your video belongs in the Special Olympics. Someday you may even learn to gracefully accept constructive criticism. Or not.
Interesting mate, you really are a self righteous hippie. Ask for some advice, the first comment you received was great advice and you decided to shut it down.
Also on what plant would you think that plastic cable tie would beat steel, stick to surfboard sales Champ.
I am non the wiser from your information and testing process.
P.S.
you can get your credit card statements online so you don’t have to get so upset about there paper use.❤
My god, cry about it and spare us all the multiple paragraph report on why the video is bad. Turn it, this content is free. Let's all compared to the video you made. If you don't mind post a link.
I charge $400/hr. for my time to do corporate presentations and training. I don't do it for free. If you want to pay, I'll be happy to cover any subject you like. Glove down, gauntlet thrown. @@timmyt964
😲You really should do your wacking behind closed doors!
I applaud you for doing these tests, I could “feel your pain” as the edges contacted the test subjects. I’d consider, a not doing these with new knives, but if you must I’d suggest like putting a pencil through the lanyard hole and rotating up the blade to a measured height before letting it fall/rotate to somewhat standardize the tests. But then again I’m sitting on my butt reading while you are sacrificing virgin blades, so your opinion matters