Of Course They'll Talk about Their Favorite Doujin Tag While Moona's Gone [Risu, Moona, Iofi, Ollie]

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  • Опубликовано: 28 дек 2024

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  • @imLumineux
    @imLumineux 7 месяцев назад +2088

    Iofi: I don't like vanilla.
    *Moona comes back*
    iofi: Vanilla is great.
    LOOL

  • @maihasubando
    @maihasubando 7 месяцев назад +1135

    Iofi: "Vanilla can't satisfy me anymore, I want Banana Durian Strawberry Milk"

    • @rezkiadinugroho3414
      @rezkiadinugroho3414 7 месяцев назад +47

      I guess Iofi prefer to choose BlueBerry Cheese more than Banana Durian Strawberry Milk 🧐

    • @gerdanbombales
      @gerdanbombales 7 месяцев назад +27

      Ironically that would be a bomb flavor

    • @ssrbgangimaribotan6thofthe12
      @ssrbgangimaribotan6thofthe12 7 месяцев назад +6

      @@rezkiadinugroho3414 she would love Nut Taro Rambutan flavored one too

    • @Saihamaru
      @Saihamaru 7 месяцев назад +5

      looks like Risu like Durian Pineapple flavor :3

  • @pogituna
    @pogituna 7 месяцев назад +606

    artists getting to work on that risu mmf this very moment

  • @himurogentoku7117
    @himurogentoku7117 7 месяцев назад +305

    Mr. Yagoo be strong.

    • @theoneguyoverthere
      @theoneguyoverthere 7 месяцев назад +27

      He’d have to be to survive as long as he has.

    • @Shelleloch
      @Shelleloch 7 месяцев назад +8

      Yagoo prefers JK
      _looks at Matsuri_

    • @Aizen_Sosuke999
      @Aizen_Sosuke999 7 месяцев назад +5

      I feel bad for him. His hopes and dreams are getting ruined day by day.

  • @NeroZeroes
    @NeroZeroes 7 месяцев назад +1067

    Risu like sandwich, noted

    • @pumpjackmcgee4267
      @pumpjackmcgee4267 7 месяцев назад

      Nonstop Nut

    • @casteanpreswyn7528
      @casteanpreswyn7528 7 месяцев назад +117

      Second vtuber confirmed down for a trip to Paris.

    • @Eric-vs2he
      @Eric-vs2he 7 месяцев назад +39

      I feel like risu would probably just watch the 2 M's plug and play

    • @Daktangle
      @Daktangle 7 месяцев назад +42

      Possibly spit roasts >.>

    • @anicecoldbrewski
      @anicecoldbrewski 7 месяцев назад +10

      @@casteanpreswyn7528 Who's the other? I must know for research purposes

  • @_Vancelvany_
    @_Vancelvany_ 7 месяцев назад +365

    LMAO this girls
    liking the dynamic with Moona genuinely seiso (barely)
    Erofi in her element

  • @yudiva2741
    @yudiva2741 7 месяцев назад +621

    Nara Haramaung : with the amount of kink people have, vanilla is not basic anymore
    Taka Radjiman : We are talking about ice cream ma'am

    • @hida99ash
      @hida99ash 7 месяцев назад +40

      I miss them 😢

    • @bread-number_2
      @bread-number_2 7 месяцев назад +23

      I miss the goat

    • @mumtrz
      @mumtrz 7 месяцев назад +29

      Honestly with today's state of ice cream industry it should apply for both the tags and the flavour

    • @mordecaibloodwings
      @mordecaibloodwings 7 месяцев назад +4

      ​@@TooyuleGw kira dia lanjut kerja IT lol
      I guess not

    • @unknownme217
      @unknownme217 7 месяцев назад +1

      ​@@Tooyulemasih stream trpg sama eza

  • @elektra8535
    @elektra8535 7 месяцев назад +1169

    Surprised Ollie didn't know what MMF mean

    • @digitype
      @digitype 7 месяцев назад +250

      Well understandable since generally its just tagged as 3some, but nowadays its more specific using mmf or ffm

    • @davidyanuar8079
      @davidyanuar8079 7 месяцев назад +97

      This is what i know
      Mmf
      Mmm
      Ffm
      Fff
      TTM
      TTf
      Ttt

    • @flashpone7910
      @flashpone7910 7 месяцев назад +345

      @@davidyanuar8079 TROUBLE IN TERRORIST TOWN

    • @leonardusrakapradayan2253
      @leonardusrakapradayan2253 7 месяцев назад +137

      ​@@flashpone7910the doujin doesn't even have nudity, it's just a classic Gmod TTT round

    • @antokarman2064
      @antokarman2064 7 месяцев назад +32

      Multi-level marketing firm

  • @lleo8543
    @lleo8543 7 месяцев назад +140

    even in silent we all can hear moona say
    "why am i be friend's with all of you"

  • @-Raylight
    @-Raylight 7 месяцев назад +424

    Why does Ollie's laugh becoming more and more like her mom's? xD
    Holoboys always have the perfect timing to visit the girls' stream 🤣
    MMF... Based! Prisuners, take out your notes. And they saved it, Moona didn't notice. Sasuga ID girls 😂😂

    • @Abysswea
      @Abysswea 7 месяцев назад

      Boys love to raid when a girl is being naughty, or whenever Scarle is in down atrocious mode wwwwww

    • @eriknurwahab2861
      @eriknurwahab2861 7 месяцев назад +28

      now that you said it, you're right
      does this mean Pekora would also evolved into Pekomama if given enough time

    • @subbermail2887
      @subbermail2887 7 месяцев назад

      I actually thought it was her mom when she started laughing

    • @grey6545
      @grey6545 7 месяцев назад +2

      @@eriknurwahab2861 no never

    • @kos2919
      @kos2919 7 месяцев назад +1

      She's ready to be a mom

  • @tjhunter9787
    @tjhunter9787 7 месяцев назад +47

    Octavio just barged in like "Are ya winning daughters?"

  • @castform57
    @castform57 7 месяцев назад +174

    Risu got good taste.
    Also my nerdy ass also thinking multi mode fiber when MMF comes up.

    • @zackaharisato9047
      @zackaharisato9047 7 месяцев назад +12

      Fucking ECE nerd
      -me also a nerd

    • @javelinmaster2
      @javelinmaster2 7 месяцев назад +8

      More of an FFM type here.
      But then again she is a fine lady so....

    • @Izayoii_Hotaru
      @Izayoii_Hotaru 7 месяцев назад +2

      ​@@zackaharisato9047 what's ece?

    • @zydine267
      @zydine267 3 месяца назад

      @@Izayoii_Hotaru electronics and communication engineering

  • @takecareyoself5379
    @takecareyoself5379 7 месяцев назад +170

    "Extraneous Ads" is my favorite

    • @yubi_yubii
      @yubi_yubii 7 месяцев назад +4

      ahhh, a man of culture as well

    • @0cluealley
      @0cluealley 7 месяцев назад +7

      Never knew what it meant, just thought it was all the ads on the last few pages

    • @takecareyoself5379
      @takecareyoself5379 7 месяцев назад +11

      @@0cluealley because it really is

    • @psychoh7329
      @psychoh7329 7 месяцев назад

      Nah it would be rough translation

    • @Ranto294
      @Ranto294 7 месяцев назад +2

      Low quality gang rise up
      (To banish whoever still uploads them into the shadow realm)

  • @broadbandislife
    @broadbandislife 7 месяцев назад +31

    ...Risu looks like she's desperately trying not to laugh (and might have muted her mic as insurance) when Erofi makes the dodge into _ice cream_ lel

    • @fiscarton92
      @fiscarton92 7 месяцев назад +6

      Yeah, the way her model’s squinting her eyes and her mouth is open without making a sound is how she looks when laughing I noticed.

  • @paulopbga
    @paulopbga 7 месяцев назад +56

    Exhibit A of why SEA tops the search rankings for Hentai

    • @christianjericho82
      @christianjericho82 7 месяцев назад +1

      The government really think that banning porn would stop the Indonesian

  • @Rubidium_rose
    @Rubidium_rose 7 месяцев назад +86

    wait, but can we actually get subs of their ice cream discussion? lowkey interested

    • @01100101011100100111
      @01100101011100100111 7 месяцев назад +15

      Same. I really hope that Iofi actually has vanilla as one of her favorite flavors and it wasn't just a ploy, because that would be hilarious.

  • @indragunawan-l9q
    @indragunawan-l9q 7 месяцев назад +74

    Ollie laughing (Now playing : THE BOYS - I CAN DO ANYTHING "VIOLIN")

  • @TheMasterMakarov
    @TheMasterMakarov 7 месяцев назад +50

    They know their answer immediately and then take 5 seconds to search for another tag thats more acceptable to say

  • @zankoakurouch
    @zankoakurouch 7 месяцев назад +26

    I love how they all respect Moona to not go full degen while she's there
    I better see some MMF Risu in a few days

  • @ReiLycs15
    @ReiLycs15 7 месяцев назад +46

    Ollie likes mind break?! ME TOOO!!!

  • @elfaranelasul6886
    @elfaranelasul6886 7 месяцев назад +34

    dem...risu is wild

  • @LucioXIVGilmez
    @LucioXIVGilmez 7 месяцев назад +25

    Of course Risu would like more nuts.

  • @Eric-vs2he
    @Eric-vs2he 7 месяцев назад +17

    I swear the ID girls are more wild compare to other branches

  • @lmontea
    @lmontea 7 месяцев назад +44

    actually surprised its not selfcest lmao

    • @Reydriel
      @Reydriel 7 месяцев назад +13

      Selfcest is a little too rare in the doujin manga space, not a lot of artists draw it

    • @MatthewTambunan-kd2de
      @MatthewTambunan-kd2de 7 месяцев назад +8

      But it's peak fiction, that's why it's mythical

  • @ExoticBankai
    @ExoticBankai 7 месяцев назад +3

    This was really informative !

  • @syaifulbahri285
    @syaifulbahri285 7 месяцев назад +39

    Kalo kata bang Tara.
    "Bang main dimana bang?. Di gang bang!"

  • @larchy1324
    @larchy1324 7 месяцев назад +30

    ponchi is one of my fav artist

    • @katier9725
      @katier9725 7 месяцев назад

      I like Yukino Minato and Azakawa Red when they draw friendly stuff.

    • @Vitou777
      @Vitou777 7 месяцев назад

      what does he draw

    • @christinawng_
      @christinawng_ 6 месяцев назад

      Are you guys talking abt doujin artist?

  • @fairiz375
    @fairiz375 7 месяцев назад +6

    Artists, it is time. Show them works with their favorite tags with them on it 😇

  • @Asr.-
    @Asr.- 7 месяцев назад +25

    very bery unhinged😂

  • @jametthanos7690
    @jametthanos7690 7 месяцев назад +43

    Lol😂 Iofi is really a master about this topic sasuga EROFI !!!🤣😏

  • @Redpoppy80
    @Redpoppy80 7 месяцев назад +4

    What the heck did I just wander into!? This conversation is too much for my Seiso mind! PEACE OUT!

  • @markmarinas9418
    @markmarinas9418 7 месяцев назад +8

    Spit-roasted squirrel

  • @justgopan
    @justgopan 7 месяцев назад +4

    Now, clip the ice cream flavors discussion Smadge

  • @fabiansyahjusuf9896
    @fabiansyahjusuf9896 7 месяцев назад +119

    MILF vanilla is the best. Gyaru vanilla is good too. They both transcend the girlfriend and childhood friend tropes.

    • @Majima_Nowhere
      @Majima_Nowhere 7 месяцев назад +15

      This guy knows.

    • @overwatchtheater8165
      @overwatchtheater8165 7 месяцев назад +1

      So you dont like bestiality scat gangbang with vomit and gore??????????
      just in case you couldnt tell its sarcasm.

    • @CorpsXClown
      @CorpsXClown 7 месяцев назад

      I don't really like milf doujins because most of them also involves fckin shota

    • @solec23
      @solec23 7 месяцев назад +4

      Ah vanilla variants are definitely better

    • @PewPew_McPewster
      @PewPew_McPewster 7 месяцев назад +5

      Personally I like me some Tentacle NTR Futanari Oyakodon Corruption Mindbreak Pregnancy but I see the value of vanilla as well! To each their own!

  • @riastradh
    @riastradh 7 месяцев назад +9

    Who’s tryna be my battle buddy for the Risulympics

  • @Adyen11234
    @Adyen11234 7 месяцев назад +5

    Omg this is such an ID conversation... lol

  • @Syncopia
    @Syncopia 7 месяцев назад +7

    Risu has a very big heart. So big that there's room for another.
    Ollie on the other hand likes stimulation, and lots of it.

  • @raizen1364
    @raizen1364 7 месяцев назад +6

    i didn't know risu was a fan of Parisian architecture

  • @inokori7146
    @inokori7146 7 месяцев назад +8

    I nominate myself to be one of those Ms for Risu

  • @McDudes
    @McDudes 7 месяцев назад +7

    Iofi basically just said she don't like boring vanilla but likes the messed up things 😳

  • @EleosAnim
    @EleosAnim 7 месяцев назад +24

    Doujin artists: write that down! Write that DOWN!

  • @LaudGuy_
    @LaudGuy_ 7 месяцев назад +21

    MMF, Mindbreak and no vanilla. Why are they so cultured? 😭😭

  • @MrLuzakman
    @MrLuzakman 7 месяцев назад +4

    I feel like at this point good vanilla is pretty unusual

  • @amuroray.1690
    @amuroray.1690 7 месяцев назад +5

    BODY HIDDEN +25XP
    (Hitman reference)

  • @Murmur_3565
    @Murmur_3565 7 месяцев назад +3

    That "OH!" From ollie man 😂

  • @KnightsBauBau
    @KnightsBauBau 7 месяцев назад +5

    LET'S GOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

  • @TheDocperian
    @TheDocperian 7 месяцев назад +2

    Ah yes, need the double M for both Ayunda and Risu

  • @MoeruHoeru
    @MoeruHoeru 7 месяцев назад +4

    this is why i like moona more.
    I cant listen/talk about thing like these 😂

  • @Noir_Store
    @Noir_Store 7 месяцев назад +3

    Happy ending🎉

  • @God-Zu
    @God-Zu 7 месяцев назад +1

    Deamn la habilidad de Iopi para cambiar el tema inmediatamente y seguir hablando

  • @jzn5664
    @jzn5664 7 месяцев назад +3

    Man I don’t watch ID often, didn’t know they were all so un innocent lmao, though I should have expected this… 😂

  • @Hac-dieu
    @Hac-dieu 7 месяцев назад +3

    Be funny if they adked her and she said 'Chikan' after learning what it was a while ago.

  • @qwrtsarchive
    @qwrtsarchive Месяц назад

    they're idols btw

  • @overrates7699
    @overrates7699 7 месяцев назад +51

    Vanilla may be boring but anyone who consumes the opposite are lying to themselves that it’s not as if not more predictable. Art aside, the story being told sometimes is more basic than vanilla’s oh man he was so nice to me.

    • @TheSylveonSurfer
      @TheSylveonSurfer 7 месяцев назад

      Predictability, or lack thereof, aren't the reasons why people do or do not like non-Vanilla tags. In fact, I'd wager that people like having a more predictable series of events in their H-content.
      No, people like the content that they do because it satisfies a fantasy or fetish, not because it's "unpredictable". That's not why Vanilla is boring, either. It's boring because it doesn't do any of those things for a lot of people. People want their p0rn to be spicy.

    • @ManusiaKagakRusuh
      @ManusiaKagakRusuh 7 месяцев назад

      "Boring" not as in "Predictable" but more of "Stakeless" ...
      Vanilla genre's story is smooth and all ... Sure it maybe has more unpredictable story, but with no "bad thing" going on, it's feels plain and boring ...
      Meanwhile non-Vanilla has various level and kind of kink, taboo, curse, etc ... and with "bad thing" implemented in a story, even if it predictable, it still giving sensation of excitement ...
      Like in Incest ... It's taboo, and the siblings either know about it, or has feeling that if they got found out something will goes wrong ... So they try to hide it from their parents or public ...
      The fear of getting found out is the stake, having s*x as many as they want in a limited time make them to fully enjoy it while it last ...
      That's what entertain the reader ...
      Light is meaningless without Darkness ...
      Solution cannot exist without Problem ...
      Righteousness will be undervalued without Wrongs ...

    • @Vitou777
      @Vitou777 7 месяцев назад +2

      all hentai is predictable lol

  • @azzurycesarian026
    @azzurycesarian026 7 месяцев назад +7

    Bang channel yang satu lagi di upload juga lah bang

  • @I_saw_that956
    @I_saw_that956 7 месяцев назад

    “I don’t like vanilla I want something out of the ordinary”
    _I see, I believe I’ve made a depressing discovery about my taste😔_

  • @Mehiel-Sanctoria
    @Mehiel-Sanctoria 7 месяцев назад +4

    Did I miss it or did Iofi expertly avoided saying her favorite tag?

  • @GMVR-jh8gc
    @GMVR-jh8gc 7 месяцев назад +3

    All based choices

  • @SpecterVonBaren
    @SpecterVonBaren 7 месяцев назад +2

    What is it about Indonesian women that makes them so powerful?

  • @KeterHirameki
    @KeterHirameki 7 месяцев назад

    Makes sense, squirrels can hold multiple nuts in their mouths.

  • @ManusiaKagakRusuh
    @ManusiaKagakRusuh 7 месяцев назад

    My favorite tags is same like Risu's let's gooooo ...

  • @karistartnotenough6358
    @karistartnotenough6358 7 месяцев назад

    Doctor: Mr.Yagoo, i sincerly sorry about your talent mind. we already tried maximal enough, but can't get even helped
    GWS Risu, Iofi dan Ollie

  • @Bam_bone
    @Bam_bone 6 месяцев назад

    Stealth talk around mom

  • @niki1292
    @niki1292 7 месяцев назад +34

    Honestly, I don't mind vanilla but I do like NTR however I'm more focus on when the victim lost herself in pleasure...
    Which is why a combination of non vanilla and MMF that leads to mindbreak is a good one...

    • @doggosuki
      @doggosuki 7 месяцев назад +12

      ive always been curious, what makes people like NTR? not judging or anything, just kinda want to know why its so popular since i tend to avoid it at all costs

    • @niki1292
      @niki1292 7 месяцев назад

      @@doggosuki not sure, the thrill? Again, my focus is on the part where the girl finally reach an ultimate pleasure because the guy Fuck her better than her real partner.
      But I don't know about normal Ntr enjoyer, maybe the combination of anger of being betrayed and the thought of wanted to break her but at the same time she does look more alluring like when you watch a p0rn... Maybe? Or maybe add the feeling of... The delight of successfully doing something bad..

    • @tatsu8049
      @tatsu8049 7 месяцев назад +8

      ​@@doggosuki try reading netori before ntr

    • @flipperflapper6682
      @flipperflapper6682 7 месяцев назад

      @@doggosuki it's simple really, they are cucks. They just don't want to admit or acknowledge it.

    • @colpelvole3275
      @colpelvole3275 7 месяцев назад +10

      ​@@doggosukibetter art, better story(most of the time).

  • @mumtrz
    @mumtrz 7 месяцев назад +3

    the way ID and EN's vtuber with the objectively (subjectively it's Reine across the board) lewdest model ended up being the most seiso always felt like both a curse and a blessing at the same time
    .
    .
    .
    .
    .
    .
    .
    And I blame transfitted Senchou-Ina for that

  • @fiffif9878
    @fiffif9878 7 месяцев назад

    - Vanilla, chocolate... and someone even likes both of them! What is your favourite, Moona?😂

  • @Gio.3
    @Gio.3 7 месяцев назад +2

    Poor grammar, the best one

  • @aethersamudra8897
    @aethersamudra8897 6 месяцев назад

    Is this something people talk casually

  • @CrescentBlossom
    @CrescentBlossom 7 месяцев назад +4

    Sasuga Risu is very based 😂

  • @amiru-kun
    @amiru-kun 7 месяцев назад

    first time hearing MMF

  • @akaneriyun4774
    @akaneriyun4774 7 месяцев назад

    Risu loves spit roasting. Got it.

  • @flawlesspiner1674
    @flawlesspiner1674 3 месяца назад

    that is not starting off tame

  • @ArtwellI
    @ArtwellI 7 месяцев назад

    Wtf i didn't know they played palia.

  • @ven7165
    @ven7165 7 месяцев назад +3

    These girls are based lmao

  • @chie970
    @chie970 7 месяцев назад +2

    MILF supremacy
    Also Kissing (for some reason, it's hot to me 😂)

  • @lonthearab6953
    @lonthearab6953 7 месяцев назад

    Correction needed

  • @Isyayot
    @Isyayot 7 месяцев назад

    HoloCaboel: Ollie, Yopi, Rusdi
    HoloSeiso: Kaela, Kobo, Zeta, Anya, Reine, Moona

  • @znyo0217
    @znyo0217 7 месяцев назад

    That's not sandwich mf, that's a train xDD

  • @kitsurobo8357
    @kitsurobo8357 6 месяцев назад +3

    Sjw twitter: huuu dasar fans vtuber porn addict
    Vtubernya:

  • @voiceanger3057
    @voiceanger3057 7 месяцев назад

    Wah ternyata risu demen depan belakang to atas bawah
    Tinggal ada persetujuan iklas to gk MMF yang di sukai risu 🤣🤣🤣

  • @MrNK1411
    @MrNK1411 7 месяцев назад +4

    I thought Moona answer would be: “Ice cream? I like Big Black Chocolate flavored “

  • @flan-z8m
    @flan-z8m 7 месяцев назад

    Iofi MISDIRECTION

  • @arcadia_9
    @arcadia_9 7 месяцев назад

    Talking about Ice Cream
    I like milk

  • @MagiaBased
    @MagiaBased 7 месяцев назад

    I also like me some Mindbreak

  • @Stevonicus
    @Stevonicus 7 месяцев назад

    Random question, does Risu like the Eiffel Tower?

  • @LEUNAMalreves
    @LEUNAMalreves 7 месяцев назад

    Kimoi

  • @focustyler1968
    @focustyler1968 7 месяцев назад +2

    Why they dont talk about it in front of moona ?

    • @pumpjackmcgee4267
      @pumpjackmcgee4267 7 месяцев назад +11

      Moona is kinda like the Sora of ID. They try to keep things seiso around her. Even when they do talk about some degenerate stuff, she's often clueless. I'm guessing she might have had a more traditional upbringing.

    • @SAGA_SATORU
      @SAGA_SATORU 7 месяцев назад +11

      I think it's because Moona often feels embarrassed when talking about dirty things , So they tried to make Moona not feel uncomfortable with the conversation.

    • @pyrogan7286
      @pyrogan7286 7 месяцев назад

      Moona don't talk a lot lewd thing in the group, but she know the 6 number

    • @mcarmor3446
      @mcarmor3446 7 месяцев назад +2

      Moona is the most normie of all ID gals

    • @Vitou777
      @Vitou777 7 месяцев назад

      ​@@pumpjackmcgee4267 if I remember correctly, I remember reading comments on a Moona doujin once and some people said that she "approved it" or something, implying that she mentioned it somewhere. Did that happen?

  • @Platinumnic
    @Platinumnic 6 месяцев назад

    Dp squirrel

  • @39rez
    @39rez 7 месяцев назад

    Gyaru clears

  • @jumnei5159
    @jumnei5159 7 месяцев назад

    A-chan likes NTR

  • @WatamelonGod
    @WatamelonGod 7 месяцев назад

    Hololive Idols

  • @Nevermeltz
    @Nevermeltz 7 месяцев назад +2

    3sum❌❌❌
    MMF✅✅✅
    SASUGA RISU.

    • @Vitou777
      @Vitou777 7 месяцев назад

      mmf is a threesome

  • @freilldk5674
    @freilldk5674 7 месяцев назад +1

    Horse

  • @NCVluminati
    @NCVluminati 7 месяцев назад

    WHAT

  • @ilikeyellow05
    @ilikeyellow05 7 месяцев назад

    Pengalihan isu

  • @shadowflare2838
    @shadowflare2838 7 месяцев назад +1

    What language are they saying

    • @katacutie
      @katacutie 7 месяцев назад +3

      They're from Hololive ID, ID standing for Indonesia. They're speaking indonesian.

  • @failegion7828
    @failegion7828 7 месяцев назад +2

    NGL plot tag is the way to go.

  • @danior1732
    @danior1732 7 месяцев назад +4

    I agree vanilla is a bit boring (i could just go to orange RUclips for this), but i would never share my favorite tags like this. Like the KGBs top torturers wouldn't get information out of me. I guess its one of the differences between man and women.

  • @amiremangjong866
    @amiremangjong866 7 месяцев назад +3

    damn why do i have the same taste like both of them? 😂
    "vanilla too boring" ,, Trueeee

  • @firework8140
    @firework8140 7 месяцев назад

    With enough firepower, you can refire even a dying star....