Faction WAR IS BACK! Horde VS Alliance Continues! Big NEWS
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- Опубликовано: 1 окт 2024
- The truce will be broken soon and the Horde VS Alliance will continue by the end of War Within!
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No one saw this coming but looks like the faction conflict is back on the menu. In a new interview Blizzard strongly hinted that some things will be happening in war within that will reignite the Horde VS Alliance conflict. As they say the factions unite in times of need but they always fall out and this time it will be no different.
This obviously signals that a huge shift has happened in Blizzard's storytelling where until a month ago they might as well have deleted the factions and it seemed like every new race will be neutral as well as capitals but looks like that is not the case. It seems like we may be in for a new wrathgate event that will break the truce, but what this could be, is it going to be with Turalyon who is surprisingly nowhere to be seen in the entire 11.0 storyline, could it be related to the forsaken or maybe even Alleria?So what is this new info and what are we looking at in terms of factions in the world soul saga?
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I'm all for it, but only IF the Alliance doesn't lose more territory, because we lost so much of it in the past! Southshore, Theramore, Gilneas, Tol Barad, Teldrassil, Lordaeron, Alterac, Stratholme, Andorhal, Pyrewood Village, Nethergarde Keep, Surwich etc.!
Nope, They have stated there will be NO FACTION WARS
No.
I dont think the Faction conflict will continue, but race conflicts can 100% happen.
*Well, a race-conflict/war would be the better alternative at this point, because an all out faction conflict would mean too much territory loss, especially for us Alliance!*
*Faction wars also just make no god damn sense at this point. The entire progress in BFA especially. And Saurfangs sacrafice, all impactful for booth to realize pointless slaughter was all it is. Racial tensions and sub factiin quarrels are therfor the best alternative. Tourneys like the Argent tournament can also justefy arena and PVP in general. It's just at some point you can only have so many dead and third party big villans to unite over to realize your own people cannot thrive on fields of blood. And the Andys screaming for Red vs Blue are to shortsighted to see actual realistic conclusions and growth. They only want ooga booga Alliance fight horde.*
Like Night elf one in BFA burning their tree was sign of that
*cartman voice* Race war!
Not in favour of faction wars.
I just hope they do something slightly original with it, instead of "oopsies, another evil Horde guy." We've rebelled against two warchiefs at this point. Don't do it again. Please.
It's sad to see how poisoned the community has become from BFA's interpretation of faction conflict themes. It can be done really well if NOT through the lens of a Total War.
Vanilla did it best: the faction conflict loomed in the background as a Cold War that facilitated World PvP and gave Battlegrounds the narrative backing they needed to be enjoyable and fulfilling. Using that narrative direction to facilitate meaningful PvP while continuing to develop cross-faction gameplay systems for practical reasons would be a homerun.
*You can also just have sub faction/racial conflict. It doesnt have to ne the entire faction being oogabooga war brain. We finally had growth and a permanent progtess led conclusion how no one benefits from war. The Horde now has representative democracy, the Aliance Anduin and his love for peace. And why do people ignore PVP still works as contests like the Argent tournament? It's not like anyone ever actually dies anyway in BGS or Arena.
@@TrafalgarWaterDLaw-dl5cm I completely agree that subfaction/racial tensions are still an option; as a matter of fact, I think dissolving the factions to facilitate the development of individual cultures and allow for the resurgence of lower level threats is the optimal path for the game's narrative design so that the world feels more dynamic and alive.
Each zone cluster or each zone would have its own story again that players could interact with and I'm confident that the quest team can implement what they've learned from past expansions to cultivate a really good questing experience for the old world, bit by bit, under this possible narrative path.
On the topic of PvP: Dragonflight has proven that Free for All PvP themes (via the FFA PvP areas on the Dragon Isles) are unfulfilling and soulless. The gameplay feature of respawning has no bearing on the fact that it still isn't fun to attack your own faction with no basis in the story for such hostility; it doesn't make sense. Arena makes it work, but the goal of arena is to gain rating, which is the source of the fun factor.
Arena also relies heavily on gladiatorial themes which exist outside of the strict faction conflict tether; a luxury that isn't afforded to Battlegrounds, which are objectively the premier instanced-PvP experience.
Battlegrounds are tied to conflicts in the story i.e. Battle of Gilneas' Worgen vs Forsaken theme, Warsong Gulch's Night Elven defense of the forest vs Orcish loggers theme, Alterac Valley's Dwarven expeditions vs Frostwolf settlers theme, etc. These wouldn't make sense in a free for all framework, which is why the mercenary system was introduced in WoD.
@@appellosesso You misundetstood my PvP argument.
I didn't talk about free for all. I'm talking about a Argent tourney like faction representing PvP contest, without actuall all out war. The champions of one fought the other. You also got the brawlers guild and more you can utelize.
Additionally racial factions or sub factions battle each other in bgs. Not tied to the big Faction.
Like Genn hunting Sylvanas back in legion. There can be narrative for conflict thats not throwing the overall lore progression out the window.
@@TrafalgarWaterDLaw-dl5cm Thanks for the clarification.
The Argent Tournament utilized the looming tension between the factions for something more constructive, and it baffles me that it wasn't expanded into PvP when it came out; it would've made for a great arena instance with the addition of a few pillars, or it at least would've been a great precursor for the Dueler's Guild had they opened it up to access without the use of a flying mount; I suppose with the new dungeon and raid both being in the same environment, they didn't want to make it feel like we would spend the whole patch, no matter how we preferred to play, in the confines of the coliseum.
Jousting was also a really cool activity that I would love to see return in a potential tournament comeback, ideally in a less depressing zone than Icecrown lol.
If the Brawler's Guild were to return, I'd prefer to see it return relatively unchanged from its solo PvE framework. PvP attention from this point forward should be reallocated to Battlegrounds and World PvP especially. But I digress on these two; the fundamental argument is that there's lots they can do to reinforce player conflict without having to rely on a total war narrative and on that we agree.
Circling back to the progress that we've made in the lore, it is true that the Horde and Alliance have made great strides in the interest of reformed governance and lasting peace and though the latter is a noble goal from Anduin, it is also perhaps the most difficult one when we factor in Turalyon's control of the Alliance and the other member nations of the Alliance and Horde.
The Worgen and Forsaken still have a long way to go. The Night Elves still have a lot to work through as well; renewal over revenge is cute and all, but I doubt that all of the Kaldorei are unconditionally on board with that decision.
The bottom line and what I think we agree on is that the factions have become increasingly two-dimensional since BFA. The Alliance and Horde have been polarized into this static Good vs Evil trope and it made the writers dig the total war hole deeper into a bottomless total peace pit.
Where we may differ in opinion is that I'd like to see the factions symbolically maintained but partially dissolved to facilitate a more dynamic political landscape on Azeroth and pave the way for more regional threats to return (Bloodsail, Defias, Scarlets, Syndicate, etc.) and new threats to make their debut. This would allow World PvP to flourish in the inevitable world revamp and would also give Battlegrounds a refreshed collection of meaningful conflicts to draw from.
The horde has been humanized a lot.
Put the war back in Warcraft.
Please don't. The war storylines were always the weakest of the bunch.
@@nobah8131😂 somebody missed the dark portal event.
Faction war is Too much repetitive
There's gonna be new factions to substitute horde and alliance or be completely new(more improbable, but...) or anything else to be interesting again
BFA dry this "horde vs alliance" thing completely
I can see race specific political conflicts. For example, I can’t imagine that the Zandalari just magically forgave or forgotten that the Kul Tirans led the charge of sieging their capital city and un-aliving the king.
Yep, if they do two new factions to substitute the horde and Alliance, like Void and Light factions, it would be a good excuses to revival this conflicts and make war between this races without make the war with the other allies races
It would be diferent
i am not that interested in a new faction conflict. But i can see it work if they are setting it at the level of vanilla or TBC, where the factions was bickering over land and recourses but not at a actual war.
I think the faction war could come back, but it would be annoying if they did it again without a "total" lore reset. Maybe not everything needs reset. Maybe the world can stay in the state it is since they're doing so much work to update the old world. But the denizens of azeroth need to somehow forget the past or just be entirely different people. If Thrall or Jaina or any of our characters go back to war, it would just seem absolutely stupid.
I just feel the faction war is important for a proper WoW experience. Without it, it’ll lose to much identity. Also playing on both sides and getting different viewpoints of the story is pretty interesting and can be really good if done well. But they need to keep working on good reasons for the faction conflict to be brought up again.
Is that the point:
Doens't make sense anymore go back to fight
Everyone in charge of horde and Alliance don't want a new war, and for me, this is too much repetitive
Think:
The faction war happens in multiples expansions ( MOP and BFA mainly) and the theme of the BFA history war was "stop the infinite conflict, break the cycle"
If the war returns, the burn of telldrassil and even the death of Saurfang it was gonna be for nothing!
Is war faction still happen, i hope that they do like, two new factions that substitute horde and Alliance, or just increases to the world, for making new conflits with diferent races fighting eacy other
Like, imagine how cool it was gonna be if they do something like "Void and light faction", so diferent races of horde and alliance it was gonna split apart in these factions and boom
Completely original war faction of darkness vs light
Good, it was core to Warcraft
Mmmhh definitely not looking forward for this...
If they go down this pointless route again I prefer to have a 3rd neutral faction with all available races.
A war between Horde and Alliance was already pointless at the end of BfA and to be honest I'm pretty much sick of it.
(Yeah I know now the PvPer will come and say uuuhhh that is the main reason of WoW bla bla bla.... No it's not, not since WC3. From then on the story and core of the Game was pretty much just a higher force that needed to be dealed with, with both factions united. So PvP set it out to competitive turnaments and arenas and leave it at that... I for my part am sick of Horde and Alliance getting at each others throats again only to be reunited again when the next almost invincible foe turns up.)
I feel like my Character would now rather set up a nice home somewhere and let the World be the World.
I swear. This better not make Silvermoon Horde only come midnight. It's teased it will be neutral already.
Gilneas, Amirdrassil, and Telogrus Rift are all neutral now. Meanwhile Undercity post saving still remains hostile.
So if they make Silvermoon Horde only, and don't update the newer Alliance zones to be Alliance only, then it's gonna be so f-ed up.
xalatath controls some stormwind guard hits an horde then big war happens again
If it happens it surely will happen that way, the horde is just tired at this point
the alliance needs a garrosh to start a new faction war. it would be a breath of fresh air.
True. Turalyon is the perfect one for that
@@furdieallianz2079
what about sky admiral catherine rogers from mists of pandaria
@@michaelkelley2727 Oh yeah she could also be a good factor. She hates the Horde for good haha. I was disappointed that she had nearly no screentime in BfA. Hopefully Blizzard will bring her back.
Yes but it would be better to stay loyal to our Ruler this time. I am bored and tired to always be a traitor (as a Horde player I wanted to keep Garrosh as the Warchief). Especially if Anduin abandoned his kingdom and Light, Turalyon is the new Ruler and he serves Light. So it would be nice to keep serving Light too.
@@sirmicou Yeah I agree. I like Turalyon and I would stay on his side should he start a crusade (especially when its a crusade against the Horde)
That is the greatest news in months.
Eh I am really not all for another faction war. It wouldn’t make sense with the current storyline at all, even if it is a wrathgate scenario I just cannot see Anduin, Thrall, any of them beside Turalyon because he is a puppet of the light supporting a war between eachother I mean why would they when we are gonna be contesting with the harbinger, void lords, and most likely the titans as well…tell me how it makes sense lore wise to attack each other when you have those forces coming at you.
All depend of what you mean by "conflict". If, by conflict, you mean a big war like during BFA, with massive destructions, then no. But if, by conflict, you mean that you have two factions that don't like and don't trust each other, with new races / countries that join one side because they fear / hate the opposing faction. If, for you, a conflict is a cold war situation, with no real war, but a deep tension between the two opposing forces, then yes. You can't have Warcraft if you don't have a struggle between the Alliance and the Horde. They just need to do it like during Vanilla or BC, and avoid the complete war like during Cata / MOP or BFA.
I'm curious as to how the factions friction will reignite. Since the last Titan is about the light fanaticism, it would be interesting if Turalyon was the one causing the trouble, even without wanting it (I don't think he's a bad guy by any mean). It would be a nice change from the sempiternal "the Horde caused the war".
Blizard:let’s make cross faction mechanics only to destroy it in the next expansion
They are not destroying cross factions they mentioned this in the interview. Justification is that individuals are friendly while factions are not.
I'm sick of the faction conflict. There was a time for it, but no more. Need new conflicts, outside conflict that's not faction related.
All I want is for the Alliance to be the aggressors this time. It would be a nice change of pace and, frankly, by this point I'd be astonished if they couldn't easily justify it post garrosh and sylvanas. Violence begets violence as does hatred.
I would be very surprised if they made the horde the aggressors this time . I have a feeling it’s going to be Turyalon and Yrel committing genocide on the mag har orcs or burning a city to the ground
I hope they don't go back to the Horde vs Alliance, its gotten old and boring at this point. Im all for Horde merging with the alliance to form one whole new faction that protects azoroth, if they do bring back the Faction wars again i don't think it will last long, most of the stories that are loved are the ones where Horde and Alliance work together, Pandaria was mostly popular for its setting, Pandarians and the monk class.
Amazing video as always bro!
Though honestly. I really don't see any POINT in having yet another faction war.
I mean. Both factions always team up when there is a common threat. Whether it's the Lich king or legion or even their own leaders (giving credit where credit is due however, We've only fought off corrupt HORDE leaders on that account and not Alliance, so fighting a corrupt Alliance leader would be a breath of fresh air). This maybe controversial but at the end this whole conflict between the two just seems worthless after what we've all been through.
Hey devs, swap some races due to inner conflicts/treachery if you have balls.
For the alliance!
I hope this doesnt reverse the cross realm and cross faction guilds tbh.
Apparently individuals will stay friendly but not factions. My guess is that the narrative is guilds tolerating each other while still at war. Like a gameplay-lore loop hole.
@@Doronsmovies I suspeectt the conflict with come from individuals unable to accept peace. (hateful humans who probably think they can actually destroy the horde once and for all)
Cross faction never should have been a thing
@@witnessforchrist7778 nah dude this a L
I like the faction wars
sick of the faction war bs, I am ok with a small conflict but no entire expansion premised on faction war bs
OMG, please no annoying and boring BFA version 2.0
I mean, besides there being two factions, what really are they fighting about at this point?
Probably just unrest amongst the faction races. Uneasy tensions
Same things nations fight over in the real world to this day
@@witnessforchrist7778 Again? Really? Ugh........do I have to be reminded of real life when playing a game? It feels like virtue signaling or something. It doesn't work.
Seriously? Another pointless faction war?
*Edit*: Jesus so much hate for my comment because of the fact that I said something logical and their little brains can't process. But what else did I expect from a community where most of them are in their 30s and have never had much outside of WoW going for them?
Sure no all of them, but most of them are toxic inviduals. Is the Faction War the core of the game? No! If it were Blizzard wouldn't bother introducing Third Party Villains like The Scourge, The Legion, The Old Gods, and many more.
It's also not like Blizzard wouldn't bother to have a Plot in the game because the point of a Plot is to have some Progression. Having the Faction War back will simply rewinds everything that happened during the course of the story.
GOOD
Not gonna lie seems real stupid with having the void lords invading us soon, but who knows how the events will develop by Midnight. However I feel like they want to bring back the PVP feel to the lore.
Yes. It's called World or WARcraft. I want more faction wars as well. 🔥
Alliance vs Horde is the sole foundation of the Warcraft
@@wkf97 People keep using that name as an argument for some reason, but the "war" in Warcraft never applied to just faction war. It always meant just that war, like the ones between the orcs in old warcraft etc.
I used to like the faction war too and would like more of it, but when it makes sense in the story
This seems pointless and straight up stupid, considering after all the "we should stop, this is just hurting us" Stories we've had. If they wanted to continue the faction war then they shouldn't have made those numerous peace stories and why it doesn't make sense for us to fight.
I feel like peak faction war was late wrath / early cata. Kinda more like a cold war with local skirmishes rather than the full on wars of MoP and BfA. Also two hot headed but honorbound faction leaders instead of ruined Garrosh and MoRrAlLy GrAy Sylvanas
Small scale conflicts are fine. But i dont wany another full blown Alliance vs Horde war.
Maybe even abandon the factions completely and focus more on wars between the different races. This would create much more story potential on the long run and would make the old world and the other captital cities with the revamp relevant again. It never made sense that for example Horde Druids or Nightborne are part of the burning of Teldrassil in BFA. Also the Forsaken were never really into the Horde ideological wise but just by necessity.
Also gameplay wise everyone could play together, take part against each other in World PvP and there would be no faction imbalance anymore
The best way to get back to faction wars would be some type of lore reset. The world is slowly getting updated over the next 6 years in this saga, on top of the work they've done already. So they can't scrap the entire world, but maybe they can do some type of reset to the lore or something. Otherwise it'd just be so lame.
Kinda dumb to a degree, but I'll have to see what this possible "wrathgate betrayal" turns out to be. If it's anything close to as cool, screw the peace! I think all players should be able to check a box when they queue up for dungeons and stuff, if they wanna be able to play with the other faction for shorter queue times, though.
New wrath gate event will be mechagnomes attacking vulpera and starting a world war and then pandas will say "no! Peace and harmony!" And we will chill out
Hell yeah some war in Warcraft again
I mean it is called world of WARcraft
That doesn't mean anything.
@@felixbenitez6169 *Your comment doesn't mean anything...*
@@florian1557 And we supposed yours are better? XD
Considering that neither you folks made a Construtive Argument, and all you folks do is throwing indults and repeat a dead argument.
You Have No Right To Talk.
@@felixbenitez6169
1. learn proper English
2. stop projecting
3. get an argument
Maybe then I can take you seriously...
@@florian1557
1. Learn To Read
2. Touch Grass
3. Stop Be A Jerk
4. Go Back To School
5. Get A Actual Logical Argument
Maybe Then I Can Take You Serously
Faction conflict makes zero sense at this point and I really hope it dies of. After all the various events of WoW, it has come to a point where the only genuine way I can see it continuing is more contrived Sylvannas level bull.
I'd like a third option and that is to be a part of a neutral faction to the horde an alliance. after 20 years I'm over the faction wars.
There needs to be some faction tension, that’s a fact.
Sunwell fanatic Sin’dorei Bloodelves vs Void touched Ren’dorei Void Elves.
Night Elves and Worgen vs Forsaken etc.
Let the players choose!
If Blizzard keeps the factions at war, THEY are the ones that make the choice...NOT the players!
Let's give a possibility to build some (diplomatic and peaceful) relationship so every players can eventually fight side by side for Azeroth!
YES! It's World of Warcraft and there will be plenty of evil ones to defeat....Different civilizations on distant planets to come and rescue them and much more!!!
They just need to remove factions already, it's freaking 2k24.. Such an outdated MMO concept that's been negatively impacting WoW Lore for YEARS, when "war" hasn't made sense since practically Vanilla.
fuckin' seriously? "Hey lets fight, hey lets team up, hey let's fight, hey let's team up." is getting VERY old
honestly im tired of the faction war, Alliance has been in a bad way for a LONG time, its been obvious that the horde have been the focus for most of WoW for a LONG while and there are not many alliance players in comparison. Its doesn't make sense at all, We can't pretend the glory days of vanilla will ever come back. its best to just get rid of it. Honestly, even if many in the community don't want that to happen - I'm willing to bet most of them are horde players. Alliance is a Sh** show and it just makes me think every new expansion we keep getting closer and closer to a total demise (I know we wont but its pretty depressing). I just don't really get it. I would honestly like to give up the forced exclusion as it really does seem the majority of players are horde.
I’d love looooove we are battling doing this huge war and suddenly Yerel just out of the shadows claps at one of our huge events. Just a slow clap and the cave lights up like the sun and there is the king of storm wind and a huge army there to do what was to be done eons ago.
Faction war is lazy and drawn out. Small conflicts like the human/forsaken meet up in Arathi Highlands was the perfect way to have conflict between factions without needing an entire “war” to resolve it. Sylvanas didn’t attack the humans but killed the deserting forsaken. Obviously Anduin was pissed but Sylvanas had established the conditions of the meet up so she technically was in the right even though Anduin disagreed.
They’ve been working together for decades and we’re still going to act like faction wars are integral when every other expansion is about working together.
Just leave damn PvEers and casuals alone. Don’t force ppl to do contents they don’t want to.
Fking pvpers could go to Bg or arena to “prove their skill”(means fulfill their vanity). And praying someone is greed and stupid enough to enable warmode for them to gank😂.
Now, I agree faction strife was always a massive part of the warcraft ID, it's the core of what the game is based around. But having said that, I really don't care for it anymore that's a storyline problem. It always feels like they force a reason to be at war that feels too..Well, forced. Most of the faction leaders are fairly chill with each other now, with a couple exceptions so having ANOTHER faction war would just feel too artificial at this point
If they make it "related to the Forsaken" again, I'm gonna be mad. They literally have had the worst physical existence in the history of the game, including their inability to create more of themselves through natural means. And, they lost one of their most influential leaders/founders because she's still off playing in the Maw. Stop kicking an undead horse!
The Faction Wars are just plain stupid now! They just need to stop with this crap! We are fighting for Azeroth & what is coming from the Outer Realms! Restarting the Faction Wars between the Horde & Alliance is just plain lazy writing! So, the story was going to maybe get good with the Outer Realms Wars but not anymore with this crap!
I really fucking hope not. Faction war is such a boring storytelling device. The best parts of MoP was the Isles themselves and the Sha/Thunder King. BFA best parts were literally any of the non-faction war stuff.
World of WARCRAFT.......W A R C R A F T ....not furrcraft....wow has gone so childish and soft...helping gay frogs and saving deer....needs its grit back (yes I know wow has always had elements of silliness but good writing blended it in well)
Think it should really be skirmishes in parts around azeroth that we don't usually visit... the overarching story it should be a mutual threat that we face as one imo since clicking the undo button just doesn't work like that. They could have new pvp game modes that puts war into warcraft since plunderstorm was kinda fun & refreshing as a non pvper.
I've been away since sl. Played one time during dragons. With faction beef reawakening I will return. That's how it all started. Dungeons and dragons on 3d/2d-3d
I must be getting old because I thought the story line was actually pretty good each zones story was decent my favorite being the azure span ….bfa which was supposed to be a faction war wasn’t the greatest shadowlands was just kaka so maybe it’s because of those that I think dragonflight was pretty good
Can someone provide the source where they said they were gonna go back to the Faction War please?
The void elves will be the the ones who reignite the war because of their void nature and its effect on the sunwell im quel'thalas
Factions or nations, that are unable to present a strong identity without a conflict, are just teams.
Come on, that's like, worldbuilding 101.
The only conflict factions cause is that I can’t play with friends if I want to play a different race…… with all the pvp events that match us against even same faction I was hoping we could move beyond the faction wall to co op with friends.
If they continue this faction war shit... It won't only be too predictable but also stale and old. We are past classic era... And Blizzard stated they want to start a new era. Starting another stupid faction war is not starting a new era. It is just continuing the old and boring shit.
Ugh! More long-leggedy drama on the horizon (walks away shaking head in gnomish).
No thanks. I thought they were going for new? Is Metzen a one trick pony? Seems like more crap regurgitation. This will not get me to resub. /Yawn
Wow needs to nuke arenas. They made PvP about hyper metas and aren't fun for anyone. Add a third faction and move back to a battleground centric form of PvP
Faction wars always made the game more interesting. Neutral factions would have to be interesting enough to keep people playing. I can see them not doing factions anymore but they would have to put more race content in the game to keep the lore interesting.
I just want the actual horde races to expel the elven taint thats been polluting the Horde for years.
I support faction wars when it make sense. In times of peace between horde and alliance there needs to be a bad guy. So that war and Warcraft can continue to be a thing. The next faction war make it where the alliance started it.
there needs to be a third option for players that's don't want to do the factional stuff, but that's an unpopular cause not a fan of horde races and but my friends play horde so i play other games and am not a full time wow player.
*I'm all for it, but only IF the Alliance doesn't lose more territory, because we lost so much of it in the past! Southshore, Theramore, Gilneas, Tol Barad, Teldrassil, Lordaeron, Alterac, Stratholme, Andorhal, Pyrewood Village, Nethergarde Keep, Surwich etc! I coud go on and on....*
Dein Name xD
meanwhile the horde lost more faction leaders then there were expansion over the last couple expansions, so it's an equal exchange
Get rid of the war, not faction identity. You don't have to be at war as a country, to have a visible culture.
The war is dumb as hell.
I know Ill get crucified for this opinion, but I think it would be cool to see new factions spring up that could have their own faction war. Horde v Alliance is tired and no longer makes sense, but there is plenty of tension between various groups.
They would have to do it right or it will be ruined.
Noooo… God, just why?
If it's the Horde doing something I quit. That would be such lazy storytelling. It has to be the alliance this time.
Yesssss, man wow needed this the factions were being meaningless otherwise
Im kinda sick of humans and orcs fighting each other, at this point Orcs and Humans have more in common than they do differences.
Another Faction War!? -_-;
*Sigh*
Is the Faction War the core/soul of the game? No!
If it were Blizzard wouldn't bother introducing Third Party Villains like The Scourge, The Legion, The Old Gods, and many more. And Blizzard wouldn't bother to have a Plot in the game in the first place because the point of a Plot is to have some Progression. Progress are particularly important in the the story, as they keeps the Audience invested, particularly through the middle of the story. If there is no sense of progress, then the Audience feels as if the plot isn't going anywhere. Because we want Payoff is what fulfills the promises of progress. It rewards the Audience for sticking around, and if done properly, creates a feeling of satisfaction at the end of the story.
No Payoff, there is no enjoyment in the story, and people will lose interest.
So having the Faction War back in future Expansions will simply rewinds everything that happened during the course of the story, and it will guarantee that a lot of player will quit WoW because for the Character's Assassination, and all the Progress that they have in all the expassions means nothing because Blizzard just Retcorn, or rewind everything to fit a narration for the story. While Warcraft 1 was Orcs VS Humans and Warcraft 2 was Alliance VS Horde, but people seem to completely forget that the point of Warcraft 3 and later Battle For Azeroth it's about the factions moving past their hatred that there are not reason to keep fighting one at another.
So The Faction War is over, Blizzard! Stop trying to bring it back!
i‘m for factoin choice for alll races. after SL none of my chars (traditional horde races) supports the horde anymore.
I do feel like the "Wrathgate style" event should be on the Alliances shoulders this time, instead of the Horde.
I feel like the faction conflict needs to just be over. Forever. It's a theme that has been beaten into the ground by this point and makes no sense considering ALL of the forces that want Horde and Alliance Dead 24/7. Why keep fighting when most of the leadership on both sides have friends on the other side and major leaders are desperate for long standing peace so the world can FINALLY rebuild.
Metzen is back 😂
Faction conflicts are pointless because neither side can win. I really wish they'd let it rest forever.
goood, bring back the racism and war to Warcraft. WoW was peak when factions hated eachother
I hope they don't make the horde the baddies again, maybe for once we don't start something.
So no war and people can have dual faction guilds. Now the war is back...
"Ah shit Here we go again"
I've said it since Turalyon tried to 1v1 Illidan and locked his own wife in jail. Turalyon is a bad guy in waiting, probably working alongside Yrel to "purge" Azeroth of those unworthy of the Light.
Yet we know have Horde and Alliance in the same guilds. So stupid.
I seriously hope not because the faction conflict is so fucking dumb at this point. It's a tired storyline that doesn't add any more depth to the Horde and The Alliance. Why does the *current* Horde hate the *Current* Alliance or vice versa? The old reasons for the conflict are so ancient no one really cares or refers to them anymore. Most of it just amounts to 'Horde bad' or 'Alliance bad' with no real good argument for either side. I'm coming at this as a Wow Veteran that has played seriously since the end of Vanilla when I was little, so I'm not coming at this from no experience.
I dont trust devs to write a enjoyable faction war, honestly.
i think this is good tbh. though i hope the alliance this time is a bit more extreme.
Xalatah will do that.
Because Dying is FUN! You are BFF with The arbiter. He knows you and will send you to your best choice. If you don’t like it, you can take the portals back to Azeroth! That is, after Shadowlands, there is no dying anymore. It is now just longer running backs.
Finally. The reason we loved WoW is obviously the story and playstyle, but the Horde and the Alliance was always my main reason and always amazing to see how we can work together but also never forget our faction. No idea why they slowly remove the main idea of Horde and Alliance (also PvP) so its good they bring back some conflict between 'em imo
If they are doing a "Wrath gate like event" I hope they do use Turalyon for it and really highlight that he is the immortal warrior of 10,000 battlefields.
It wouldn't be a big 'betrayal', it would be a pragmatic decision in a losing battle.
Some gambit without honor that causes heavy loses for the horde, but wins the day.
In a situation like that Turalyon and the Alliance aren't 'evil'
However, the genuine horde counter perspective is that they would have won anyway. They didn't need those Alliance tricks that killed so many of them.
Hell throw in some chekhovs gun, an artifact the horde intended to use in this battle to win, but didn't get a chance to.
Turalyon butchered their soldiers and cursed them to honorless deaths.
He won't apologize either, he didn't do anything wrong, generals make hard choices and his choices found victory.
Something adjacent to that lets each faction be the hero of their own side of the story.
I also just don't see "The Battle for Stormwind" where we kick in the doors to the castle the kill some dissident nobles akin to the post-warthgate campaign.
Honestly the initial identity of the horde, as misfits trying to survive together in a place that doesn't want them is something that wouldn't probably endure forever. At some point they would tame their lands. Things cannot stay stagnant together
Also The conflict you talk about I'm sure it will be in small scales(like the racist nelf in classic questline).
The copium for wow getting better again starts be funny 😹
I don't think most players have any problems with fraction conflicts vs working together. I think the biggest problem has been the writing around it. At least for me, BFA was a biggest "Huh? We're fighting each other again? Didn't the two factions just get clobbered by the Legion? Isn't that the whole reason we're working together now?"
If there is going to be a big betrayal happening, I hope it's from the Alliance just because they need something like that to spice them up a bit.
If faction war returns then new leaders need to replace current ones
lol if we go back to faction wars alliance is doomed 😢
My man you sound like Muradin Bronzebeard💪💪
Turalylion gonna not give the throne back to anduin maybe there a raid like siege of org where horde gotta help retake stormwind