Sony A90J/TVs Game Mode Discussion: Last Gen and Current Business Talk 4k HDR
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- Опубликовано: 5 окт 2024
- with the current status of the market, why is Sony's delay that big of a deal. I decide to cover the business of their decision and provide speculation as to why the updates haven't come out yet for the last gen of tvs.
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Great video bro i love Sony game mode
@@moosyx thank you!
Hey man, i noticed game mode w/ ambient light sensor off (which i always keep off) that auto tone curve & auto white balance are grey out but still on
If you turn ambient sensor mode on then you can go down to turn those 2 items off, then go back and turn the main ambient sensor off.
Confusing, but what are your thoughts ? In vivid they are all off, even the greyed out ones
@@andyrickard6303 in the long run when production ramps up again the ps5 will pull ahead globally, just like the ps4. The playstation brand is too powerful. VRR isn't a necessity for gaming, and they'll release it when they're ready to. That's a very small amount of consoles sold anyway. If a majority of console gamers are still on ps4/pro, vrr doesn't matter 🤷🏻♂️
I also need to say it all doesn't fall on sony. Everyone using the mediatek chip in their tvs have had problems. the current tvs are having the same problem. Maybe you didn't see, but panasonic's new tvs delayed their vrr to winter as well and they're running the same mediatek chip as sony.
As a future PS5 owner I've been researching the best pick TV for over 6 months now following the news and watching channels like HDTVTEST (where I saw your comment leading me to your channel), Rtings, Digital Trends and others, but I have to say from this video and the comments alone I learned so much and I'm finally getting a clear picture of my options. Thnx! You gained a sub ^^
I'll be posting more soon! Unfortunately my new video was taken down due to copyright infringement so I have to make a new one. I'm happy you came over here to chat and what not. I'm hoping we can keep building a bit of a tech community here for the love of tvs and for the sake of curiosity. 😊 Welcome to the page!
Im a recent convert to using Game Mode on my A90J. By recent I mean yesterday! Game Mode is incredible on this panel IF you have the right settings.
If you set black tone medium / black level 47 or 48, neutral picture, sharpness 45 !!!! It’s so great. Without those settings it looked too sharp & the imagine was too wash out in HDR
VRR is a mess on LG panels. Im not sure if we need w/ the processing they offer
Just a PS5 gamer here
Yep I have a ps5 as well. I made my own settings in a different video which I know you commented on. I still haven't changed them. I left the black level at 50 but decreased gamma to -1. I had color on 60 with live color on low/medium to get the extra pop. Sharpness was at 47 for me. I had warm for my picture preset but neutral works as well. I think oleds are "cooler" color wise compared to their led counterparts
I'm just happy we are all able to collaborate and figure out what we like. I found the panel is getting situated alot more now that I've put time into it. There is a break in period for the organic layer in the pixels and it's shifting very nicely for me
Yup !! It’s a stunning panel. Really incredible. Im w/ you on adding more color too in HDR game mode. 61 for me. I set live color high too. Adds pop
You dropping gamma down is probably similar to me doing black tone medium & black level 47 or 48
The only reason I dont like dropping gamma is the whole screen gets darker. I feel like dropping the black levels & tone darkens grey blacks. If that makes sense. Either way, it’s fun to compare notes
@@woody5581 Im sure I'll be changing some stuff around as I play more. And that's precisely it. I drop gamma down to prevent potentially introducing black crush. I may try it though. You could be onto something. I used to play with live color on medium on my 930e. It can also depend on the game as well. Some games just are naturally more colorful than others 😀
Your 100% spot on with your thoughts, I fall into this Sony consumer bracket, and purchased the a90j for this reason. And yes I have a ps5
I'm sorry I didn't see your comment. But thanks for the watch. I agree man. I just prefer my games look good personally. Vrr isn't important to me right now without games pushing the hardware
Hopefully I get a clean panel when I get to place and receive my 65" A90J. Been reading through AVSForum and some people are getting some panels with some banding. I can only hope I don't have to play panel lottery on such a expensive TV especially it being my first 4k and Oled TV. Ugh I figured that's why we pay for the Master Series to avoid those issues.
I was going to say my panel is CLEAN. I put a gray slide up and just went... Whoa this thing has no issues whatsoever. Hopefully things will work out for you and you'll be able to get the panel hassle free!
Great video!! My wife loves the Michigan Shirt :)
Go Blue. Tough loss yesterday haha. I didn't realize the audio on the video was so quiet though 😔 thanks for the watch!
@@SpencersStuffTV Yea, my wife wasn't happy. For the audio it happens all the time 😁 I know I have audio issues with some of my videos. Great video and I agree about the VRR & ALLM. perspective 👍🏽
@@mchambliss2 I appreciate it very much. I sometimes don't throw my videos in any editing software.... I probably should have this time haha
I got a90j for picture quality. vrr and allm update is a bonus even as a pc gamer i don't need vrr if just lock game fps to say 60fps or higher at 120.😉😉😉😉
My thoughts exactly. I bought the panel because I love sonys image processing. I love their philosophy of picture first before features. They fill that niche part of the market where purists and people who want a fantastic all round product can go. I get tired of people living and dying by a few gaming features. Let's worry about getting consoles in the living rooms and getting games out before we worry about the features. Plus if there is a ps5 pro, I would love to see the features implemented right. I don't want the samsung route of creating garbage. I want to see sonys hdr games run with vrr and hdr flawlessly without a hiccup. And when people realize they have the best looking game mode with all the features, theyll be happy
@@SpencersStuffTV i can tell as previous owner LG cx owner and what not. LG don't even come close most of their modes is over sutured or lack good processing. like a90j game mode is like a piece of cake vs LG game mode being haft baked.😂
Vamps I saw your posts on AVS, I’m like you I want this tv for my 3090 strix and 5950x cpu, I believe I can hit 120 in some cases, but I’m worried about the reports that this tv doesn’t handle 4K 120 with HDR well. I plan on doing 4K 120hz chroma 444 10bit. Have you noticed any issues? Is ABL a issue? Thanks man
@@Vamps-p3z it's so funny I already got a dislike on my video 😂 probably one of the people who can't take the thought that their console barely runs at 120fps without being decimated graphically
@@aegontargaryen573 abl for me has not kick in even at 1200nit hightlights. i am do 4k120hz 12bit no chroma and have seen no banding isues.
I have the A90J too omgd awsome oled i love it i have the 55inch
I play warzone and call of duty fairly competitively and always played in a monitor.
I just moved apartment and thinking of treating myself to a new tv and using that for gaming and call of duty, you think I could do the change over
I would recommend for pure gaming getting the lg oled. This tv (a90j) does not have vrr yet. If you don't need vrr mmediately then I would wait for the vrr update to come out and make a decision between the two brands then. I still think sony has the best looking game mode on the market if that matters. I personally like immersing myself in a game so the game mode has to look as good as it plays.
I like the Sony a90j alot but I still may go with the lg g1 I really like the image of it the richness and depth is amazing I think both are beautiful but I'm used to gaming with lg and I like there game mode but believe me I'm on the fence I may still get the Sony I already noticed how much better the lg c9 was to past lg tvs with processing and I know from what whisper status said and all the guys over at value electronics said that the lg processing is now caught up to Sony which I mean with how good my c9 was its not hard to believe the c9 was a little bit behind the a9g I had with low res content but that was about it so I know how good lg has gotten since 2017 it's def much better now but I do believe the Sony will always be known as the cinema king regardless awesome video whatever tv anybody gets I think they will be happy def tired of the tv wars I hope people start understand we all have preferences and nobody is wrong for liking one over the other these tvs are stunning regardless
Welcome to the page. Lg still makes great tvs, and I don't deny that. My primary issue I have with whisper, fomo, and some of the others lies in how they use their tvs... I look at a tv for the processing more than anything and I never feel they use their tvs to the potential they could reach. They don't stray away from the creators intent and it can lead to some issues for me. I've been working on settings to push the a90j, and hopefully will get a video up soon. I posted one but it got taken down for copyright 😑
In the end I think it's good we all come together to talk about tvs and learn what people have to say besides the reviewers only. 😊 I still think sony is ahead in processing... Just because I actually use their processing... But yeah. Welcome to the page my friend
Bet you're happy you didn't go with the g1 😄
@@evaloutionofman dude so damn happy after this though I got a c1 first as I told you and returned it 2 weeks later for an a90j couldn't be happier as you know. This comment was basing what I knew form the lg c9 compared to the a9g sony has teuely boosted there processing back to being top dog and not in a small way but in a big big way.
As you see pretty much everyoen else has said it's the best also lol.
@@SpencersStuffTV yeah man even they couldn't deny how incredibly good the a90j is this year. Sry about the late response I didn't even notice you responded 5 months ago.
But the mighty Vincent Teoh stated that PS5 is limited to 32 Gbits at 4K 120 with just 4:2:2 chroma, far from the 48 and 4:4:4 the A90J can manage. This is a problem that the VRR firmware update won't fix because it's inherent to PS5 hardware. So now what, Sony? 🤨
Any opinions? :)
Great video. Just subscribed. I am torn on what to get. I am thinking of the following:
Sony X92J 100 inch - for the size
Sony X95J 85 inch - for the better processor and higher peak brightness than the 92J
Sony 83 inch A90J - never got an OLED and would love to get one
Sony 85 inch 8K Z9J - just to have the TV for the next 10 years
I am a heavy gamer and movie watcher. I know LG is a much better gaming TV but I love the look of the Sony.
Which would you recommend?
I think the x92, x95, the a90j, and the z9j all share the same processor. I would say personally the happiest medium would be the x95j or the a90j. I will be getting a new tv once QNED hits the market in about 4 or 5 years. I do like the oled a ton, this is my first one, but there are some aspects of the LEDs I miss, specifically the full field brightness. Larger tvs also have higher chance of uniformity problems... The size is all down to you. They're all going to be pricey!
Panasonic also has the mediatec chip and they say vrr works in 60fps but not in 120. I think it's the same problem
I think you're correct. They said there vrr is "coming later" like the a90j
Sony hasn't released vrr because vrr just doesn't work well yet. The problem with Sony isn't vrr but their insane prices.
If you watch any tv videos, the primary complaint isnt the price, but the vrr missing. It may not work well, but I do see a business strategy not releasing it too.
LG OLED are capes 40GPS/S 2019 and 2020 models have buggy ports and VRR doesn't work properly.
You're correct. Do it right or don't do it at all, that's my mindset
Amazing video sir. Thank you.
Happy to help!!
Im glad i went for CX saves me alot of money SONY is superior in picture quality but buying a90j for 3k 55 against CX half a price with gaming features 40 gbps enough for PS5 bcuz theres no or alot 12bit gaming yet. i think if they add VRR for PS5 same of sony gaming tv.
I hope you enjoy your tv my friend! LG is my second choice in the US as a tv manufacturer
@@SpencersStuffTV Sure do this TV CX is a beast thanks.
@@leifaregis2554 happy to hear you like it! 😊
New sub!!! ..saw this A90J up close at my local BB out in Cali....tv looks too good...almost like un real..clear..with details and color..I’m new to OLED.coming from a 2015 samsung Ku6300..I game on a Ps5...so my only concern is burn in...is this still a issue..? I haven’t gotten a real clear answer on this...I know if I pull trigger on this..im getting the best in terms of picture quality..
Thanks for the sub! I can from the Sony x930e. Burn in is still possible on any oled. The key for it is to vary content. If I game or watch sports for an extended period, usually I'll go into youtube and find some other hdr content and play a couple of those to kinda reset the pixels. I figure that helps to alleviate some of the stress. Whisper status recommended that and it's been working for him. I also have a gaming video up too if you'd like to check that out!
@@SpencersStuffTV ok thanks that info..ill check it out your video..
Yooo great video M1777!
Thanks man!!!
Can you do a picture settings review for movies and gaming? The best settings to use because there’s so much to go through.
@@TNY1914 I posted a video for gaming already. I'm still working on movies. Haven't quite gotten it where I like it yet
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@@SpencersStuffTV ok cool, I just subscribed to the channel so I’ll look into the video. Thanks!
Wow! I´ve experieced this type of game mode last year when i bought q90t and q900h. While q90t is way brighter the local dimming in game mode is trash just to have those 10ms lag. And because i play both online and single player, while online samsung it´s ok but any cinematic single player games looks very bad, i chose to keep the x900h and i´m so happy. Not even to speak about colors. Samsung has quatum layer but a real person skin will always look to red because of oversaturation even in games. Then you have to lower your color and where you at?
I'd much rather have the rich colors and depth than have that lower input lag. As a console gamer, the difference from 10 to 20 ms is not difficult to overcome. Especially when you consider the game looks better as well. That's why I've always gone for sony tvs
@@SpencersStuffTV believe me...i’ve tried so much to like the q90T but i’ve always seen that gray blacks and i don’t even want to mention the strong DSE Samsung LEDs have recently. It’s nice to have 10ms input lag if you play only online shooters. But if blend in even one single player game where there is lots of colors gradations such as GHOST OF TSUSHIMA u will see lots of lines between those colors in Samsung game mode😔
@@SoSoSV yeah it's just not worth it to me to lose that color. I am competitive with the 27 ms on the 930e, and now I'm more competitive with the a90j. I've never been a samsung fan personally. I think they're extremely overrated
Great video bro 👍
Thank you!!
Should VRR work on PCs too or just the new consoles??
It should work on both but the update isn't out yet
@@SpencersStuffTV
Thanks man.
Hey, great video..what about 4k 120 Dolby vision gaming for x box series x on A90J?
That is one thing I cannot answer. Couldn't get my hands on the series x. Hopefully someone will be able to help you out! There is a comment below discussing pc gameplay. I haven't heard series x having issues since it uses 40 gb/s HDMI 2.1
@@SpencersStuffTV thank you mate from England 👍 it’s a hard concept I really want to buy the tv but the Dolby vision 4k 120 has let me down..I need to find out more..It’s £3500 here for 65”..
Your audio is very poor.
Yeah it's a quiet video. The mic wasn't picking up my voice. Apologies
Although i have CX is capped at 40gbps is the sony 950G or 2019 line up LED or oled by sony is 48gbps?
They are 48 but theres only two ports
It doesn't really matter if Sony has 48gbs since they are only focused on PS5 they might as well capped it to 32
is there really anypoint in full bandwidth hdmi? since hdr10 is 10 bit, and it has not made clear if there any benifits sending it out as a 12 bit signal... also ps5 right now is capped at 32gb/s..
You further my point. Yes it's currently capped on ps5. Any update could uncap that. A 10 bit panel can still be sent a 12 bit signal. This usually will clear gradation issues from the source. Dolby vision and hdr 10+ are both 12 bit signals. At any point in time, the ps5 tempest engine could also take up more bandwidth than the usual dolby source if a games audio becomes strenuous enough. Especially considered hundreds if not thousands of sounds could be sent at once. It's always better to have headroom just in case. Not to mention we don't know what the future holds. We could see new tech for 2.1 that does take more bandwidth or potentially pro models of these consoles or future tech. It's better to play it safe than sorry in my opinion.
Do you happen to know if there is judder/stutter when playing games on the a90j?
I do not have any jutter or stutter
@@SpencersStuffTV thanks
Have a 65 a90j, and no studded or judder. About 200 hours in playing cod at 120. Soooooooo smooth.
@@beeritch24 thanks for your input! I agree 100%
Bro can you help me what you think i want buy a 65 tv a90j or i wait a80 j 77 for a good price can you help me and explained to me , i know a80j is not relase yet but i don t think is so much different , but is big difference picture quality from 65 to 77 ?
I don't really have an answer without having the TV's in front of me. I imagine the a80j will be a great looking tv as well considering the a8h was
@@SpencersStuffTV and with size 65 vs 77 ? Is picture quality loss ?
@@renyy1172 I wouldn't think so. Usually the bigger the panel, the more immersive it is. Just don't be sitting 5 feet away from it. Here is a link for distances you should sit away from a tv to maintain picture clarity
www.crutchfield.com/learn/learningcenter/home/TV_placement.html
@@SpencersStuffTV thanks