Barry is really, *really* lucky he got back to Earth-1 on his first attempt. If this story was made in the modern day, he's spend about three volumes doing *Sliders* across different universes. Also, kinda interesting how the villains act in this. They legitimately compliment each other and two of them run off to help Fiddler when they think he's in trouble. I guess on Earth-2, there really is honor among thieves.
There's a lot of that among Flash villains, a lot of them are really decent people. In Blackest Night (or maybe an earlier comic, idk) it's established they have a private cemetery for all of them, and they go to pay their respects there
It’s because they deliberately conceived the post-golden age JSA as older to reflect their status as “the old guard,” and even then in the pre-New 52, you’ll notice they never got much older than their silver age appearances.
It's actually kinda funny that Linkara has such a problem with "Gardner Fox got all his ideas for the Flash comic via psychic dreams" when I doubt he questioned it when watching Justice League.
It's not the only time a work of fiction in one universe was reality in another and the writer either had the natural ability to peek into that "fictional" universe or through artificial means.
@@ShadowWingTronix yeah. even twilight zone got into it (although i forgot if that was first or this comic). Also, you can have variants of that. eiher both are mutiually fictional, earth a dreamed about events of earth b, while earth b had dreams about earth c, and earth c about earth a.
@@buchiklop110 Not only that, but the episode copied the villains, too. just replace the Fiddler with an accordian. Music Meister, I think he was named?
Well, similar concepts had characters tied to them in comics. Lest we forget the Marvel event where the characters had to appeal to a manifestation of their own universe to unlock the full power of the infinity gems so they could fix problems caused to make that happen.
12:00 "The origin of Scooby-Doo is really weird." You have no idea. Scooby-Doo and other talking pets are actually descendants of the animals possessed by the Annunnaki, a race of creatures living in another dimension. Every few thousand years, during an event called Nibiru, the barrier between their world and ours grows weak, allowing the Anunnaki to visit Earth. Some of them are good and tend to help humans, while others are evil. The Anunnaki have no physical forms, so they have to inhabit various animals' bodies, thus being responsible for mythological figures as the Egyptian gods, China's Monkey King and the Aztec's Quetzalcoatl among others.
@Will N To be fair, it's implied the timeline in that show reset to take place before the original show. The origin could still happen, just without the evil big bad alien that got killed by a stick
You still have to consider All Star Comics #3 which first brought the National and All-American heroes together as the Justice Society, confirming that their stories were all taking place on the same Earth.
@@erikthebard2534 that's a joke, right? Only asking because apparently *some* people actually agree with that statement (based on the fact that his works continue to sell)
Multiverses are fun :D And I'm with you -- it's nice to see a story where two characters from different worlds can meet WITHOUT it being a world-ending crisis. In fact, for Barry it's the chance of a lifetime -- solve a case with his comic book hero! :D That's really sweet, and I'd like more stories like THAT in the modern era. High-stakes adventures are fine, but a few low-stakes "hey let's just have a pizza night and catch some crooks" stories would help balance everything out nicely. *nods* Also, glad to see the kitties are still loving the camera. XD
You know, I'd like to think that in the DC Universe they read Marvel comics and in the Marvel Universe they read DC comics. And indie comics will exist in both, and both DC and Marvel exist as comics in indie universes.
One problem with this is that some indie comics are implied to take place in either the DC or Marvel universe, or both. Vampirella vs Pantha number one has Vampi state she's in Gotham City fighting Pantha and mentions it as a place where cats and bats do battle. Iirc, it also implies the Vampirella/Catwoman crossover is canon in Vampirella's world.
He actually kind of touched on something interesting here. The whole, "Fiction writer is actually writing the real experiences of people from another universe," trope is pretty common, but we rarely ever see the logical fallout to that. Like, a writer has just been told and presumably given evidence that all of the ideas they thought were their own are actually just events from somewhere else they've been copying. Their whole career is a lie. They don't have the talent they thought they did. That's got to fuck someone up.
Conversely, understanding the events in detail doesn't really do much if your writing can't make them compelling. I mean, people have managed to make the grand epic of the Roman Empire's history, founding, conquests, political movements, and fall *boring.* As with many other aspects of history that just make damn good stories. So, their ability to relay events in a compelling and interesting way is, in my opinion, something that should be respected.
One movie did the reverse, I forgot what the movie is called, but a person found out that their life is being controlled somewhat by a well-known author in the movie. The thing is, all the books the author makes ends with the main character dying, so we have this moment where the author finds out and starts asking herself "when I wrote those previous books, did I kill people?" it ends with her not killing the character, allowing the person to survive, even if the person told her "you should finish it how you want it" the author just couldn't do it and changed the ending.
That depends on the writer, though, doesn't it? Grant Morrison would love it if that was the case, though a more materialistic writer probably would be ruined by that, yeah.
In the Justice League episode “Legends”, where the League go to an alternate reality and meet the Justice Guild Of America (off-brand versions of the Justice Society with off-brand versions of the Golden Age Heroes), part of the premise was that the Justice Guild were also a comic book in the League’s own reality that Jon Stewart was a fan of as a kid. While I know the Flash in Justice League was actually Wally West and not Barry Allen, I wish the writers gave Flash the bit about being a comic book fan meeting the characters he liked due to the Flash of Two Worlds comic and how Jay being Barry’s hero and inspiration was a big part of their relationship and Barry becoming a superhero.
I love that they recreated the cover on the TV Show. I also love that the community center plays a role in Final Crisis.And of course, they homaged this story with the Justice Guild on Justice League. My first JLA Comic was the 1982 JSA team-up, where they also ally with the All-Star Squadron to battle the Crime Syndicate of America, and Per Degaton, to save Earth-Two, and prevent the nuclear annihilation of our world when super-powered American's stole the Russian missiles in Cuba.
Funny, the psychic waves were kind of an explanation of why stories are written in that Two-Parter of the DCAU Justice League and it had also the fiddler. It's fun, when they reference that stuff^^. Also, nice detail: the villains want to help their colleague and they are not like "screw that guy." It's nice, when even the bad guys demonstrate that teamwork and being nice to each other helps.
Is it safe to say that with this story, the creation of the justice league and justice society, that Gardner Fox is one of the most important writers in the history of DC comics. And I’m surprised he isn’t given more love from the Company
I had no idea how in-depth this story was. I kinda figured that it was just a one off that eventually inspired the idea of the DC Multiverse, but no, practically all the details that would be there later are laid here. That, and as a previous commenter noted, the DCAU episode Legends was basically a direct adaptation of this story with a few character changes. Always loved that episode, and now equally appreciate this issue. Thanks Linkara! On an unrelated note - OMG KITTIES! I want to squeeze them! :D
"And still none of them had a ZPM" I appreciate the Stargate Atlantis Joke. Thank you Neil Gaimain for Destiny (ok he didn't create him but he made him cool)
Recommendations for next year’s secret origins month: Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver in Uncanny X-men #4 Wally West in The Flash #110 The Vision in Avengers #57 Nick Fury in Sgt. Fury and his Hallowing Commandos #1
The funny thing is, they decided to do Crisis because they thought the multiple Earths concept was too confusing, but the very first Justice League I remember buying was 100, when I was only 7 years old. I loved the story and never had a problem following the concept. One thing I did love about the 'jewels in the ears' explanation is that the Fiddler's power really shouldn't effect the Flashes anyway, because of the Doppler effect.
"It's too complicated" = editorial, management and marketing are having a real bad day, and writers just writing whatever with whichever characters aint helping" and not for the readers to follow any particular individual story
My first Justice League of America comic was #91. It had both the Earth One and Earth Two Supermen, Hawkmen, Green Lanterns, Flashs, Atoms, and Robins. I was 8. I had no problem with the idea or the different versions. Up until Crisis, I always thought that it was explained very well whenever the various different Earths were used. I never understood the "too confusing", and I was only a casual comic book reader for the next several years.
@@louisvictor3473 "It's too complicated" = we need a new marketing gimmick and just can't admit we want to create a big cash cow for the 50th anniversary of DC. Let's use a reason that is insulting to our readers while making us look like concerned people and not the greedy corporate tools that we really are.
For those who don’t know what the Doppler Effect is, when something producing sound moves, the waves get closer together on one side than the other; same with when something moves within earshot of the sound, from their perspective. The sound sounds slightly pitch-shifted to the observer-the same effect that the gems have. Note that this is the CliffNotes explanation and thus may be oversimplified.
The powers that be at both comic companies tend to think their readers are absolute morons that can't understand anything more than simple concepts. WB believes people won't be able to understand multiple versions of the same character existing in both TV shows and movies separately. I don't remember exactly how old I was but my first DC comic was a Batman issue smack dab in the middle of Knightfall with Azreal Batman killing people. I immediately understood that this wasn't the same Batman I had seen from TAS or reruns of the Adam West series. I got into X-men comics around the same time as well and if people can understand WTF was going on with the X-men during the 90s I think they'll be able to grasp any concept comic writers throw at them.
You think the original script for this comic called for "guards," and the artist just assumed they were supposed to be guard dogs? Then, when they brought up later, he was just like, "okay, that makes way more sense, but the talking dogs are awesome, and I'm keeping them," and everyone just kinda agreed?
I just realized even sonic generations referenced this cover in the death egg robot cutscene, both Sonic’s in a hall (with a giant mirror instead of a wall) confused at the other,before Classic hears his Eggman speak and runs while older sonic is still confused, letting the boss begin, just an awesome reference
Considering Dream and his bro Destiny are Endless really high level cosmic beings who exist as concepts they could very well have been responsible for these authors dreaming of different reality’s as a way to recycle ideas or perhaps to inspire other heroes in many different realities giving them similar names and abilities and allowing them to unite when a Crisis or similarly dangerous threat arises.
Y'know, it occurs to me that if this were a Marvel story, the two Flashes would've mistaken each other for a villain through a contrived series of misunderstandings and poor communication and started duking it out, leading to a severe amount of property damage before teaming up to defeat the villain...
It’s weird that we see the blue hand and the Earths side-by-side recreated today as depictions of the Multiverse, and not “mucking up vibrating a rope to entertain some bored kids”.
Am i the only one who likes the concept of "dreaming about things that happen in another universe"? I mean, It isn't that far fecthed, and is similar to those cases of "a character has a prophetic dream". Just switch "dreamed about the future" o "dreamed about the present in another universe"
@@MysteriousTomJenkins Yeah. it also plays with the concept f multvierse: What were only dreams or fictional characters in this earth, are real in others (wether are connected or not it could depend from story) Have you ever heard of tulpas? is basically a general desription of an imaginary friend that came to life and now has an independent existence on its own from you. That if you only want to bring 1 single "fictional character from a comic book" could be an interesting idea (especially if you have the tulpa of said comic book character interactingwith that comic book character who comes from an universe where the comic book events are real). However the concept would fly way higher if you tried to say "one person created a tulpa pocket universe out of their dreams without having godlike powers" (although it could be an intereting concept to tie it to the astral plane and stories that have imagination as a power.)
This issue really drives it home an issue I have with the Edge of Spiderverse minis. It feels like all of them tie into a big multiversal crisis with ever escalating stakes. And it’s like, sometimes I just was to see a neat alternate universe and see their heroes handling local threats. If the Spiderverse is constantly in danger it loses its impact, and sometimes I just want to see a pterodactyl who got turned into a t-Rex fight a t-rex who became a pterodactyl, or Venom as a sapphic magical girl.
I just watched this review, felt like finally continuing the Flash TV series after having watched season 1 years ago and went on Amazon Prime to do so, and literally in the first two episodes of season 2, Jay Garrick shows up and they reference the cover of this comic. As a non-comic reader, I'm so grateful to Linkara for all the years of comic book reviews and backstory explanations, or else I wouldn't have gotten half of all the references in superhero movies and shows over the past decade.
One of the best and most iconic comics of the Flash and DC comics in general. Really hope that someday in the future this gets adapt into a movie (it can be either live action or animated). It would be awesome to see a movie showcasing Barry’s origin and having Jay Garrick appearing and acting as mentor for the new and inexperient speedster.
Plot twist - both Gardner Fox and Jay Garrick had Ancient communication stones. When Fox was dreaming of the Flash, Jay was dreaming of being a comic book writer. He never questioned it because he thought it was relaxing.
But in the DCAU Justice League when Lantern (Jon Stewart), Hawkgirl, Flash (Wally West), and Martian Manhunter crossed into a different dimension it was also similar to this cause of how the heroes and villains all reminded Green Lantern of his time as a boy reading comics. The writer of the comics kept in sync with them until he stopped making them and likewise in the other world it was devastated by nuclear warfare resulting in a truly horrific change for someone there.
The one thing about the Earth-Two heroes being comic book characters on Earth-One is that everyone should know who Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman are since their identities are the same on both worlds. One of my favorite multi-verse stories was an issue of Brave & The Bold where The Phantom Stranger gives Batman the opportunity to prevent the murder of the Waynes on another Earth. Just like several decades separated the Earth-One Bruce from his Earth-Two counterpart, this Earth had a similar separation. Robin goes along and while Bruce is preoccupied with finding Joe Chill, Dick investigates the world. He finds that young Bruce is a spoiled brat, the world lacks any heroic literature, and star charts show no sign of Krypton ever existing. He begins to wonder if preventing the murder will rob the world of the only hero it will every have.
I'm also a huge fan of the Legacy Story concept. It's really cool to see a new hero and an older hero of the same ilk (example: the two Flashes in this comic) meeting up and working together for a bit. Not only is it a nice continuity nod and some acknowledgement to the older fans, but it's also a way to get younger readers interested in hunting down the old stories to see what all the fuss is about. And in this day and age, Legacy content _should_ be easier than ever to access. But that's a rant for another day...
If you want to know more about the Many-Worlds Interpretation, I recommend _Something Deeply Hidden_ by Sean Carroll. There is actually a variant of Many-Worlds where the different branches can communicate through what is known as an "Everett phone".
So the Flash first crosses the dimensional barrier -- completely by accident while performing rope tricks for kids. Anyone else feel that's kind of a weaksauce way to start off what would later become one of the most important crossovers in comics? Also, is this the origin of the infamous comradery between the Flash Rouges? Shade and Thinker realize their fellow crook may be in over his head, and immediately rush to his rescue instead of just taking the loot and ditching him.
See, I have no problem with the idea of "getting thoughts about stories via mind link to another dimension"...but only because I first came across an idea like that via an episode of Darkwing Duck as a kid, where a guy gets linked mentally (I think by a helmet in that version) to Darkwing's world, and thus gets story ideas from it.
I mean, Dream is also a thing so the dream writing thing makes as much sense as anything. Also Shade is a rather interesting character in his own right.
There has been the occasional comic where a character's dimensional parallel is a normal person, for example Earth-One's Johnny Thunder never had a Thunderbolt genie; he ended up becoming a villain.
Considering the DCTV Crisis on Infinite Earths that’s happening, this is great coincidental timing. Either that or Linkara is some sort of wizard that can predict events in order to have good synergy, but how likely is that? As for SO Month 2020, if we’re gonna go back to 2 Marvel/2 DC, I’d say some good subjects could be Nick Fury, Carol Danvers, Batwoman and The Atom (Ray Palmer).
I still love that Episode 2x02 of The Flash was able recreate that cover. Suggestions for future Secret Origins: Carol Danvers Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch Vision The Watcher (He’s going to Star in that upcoming miniseries) She-Hulk Punisher Jessica Jones (Maybe too modern) Iron Fist (Maybe too late) Nick Fury S.H.I.E.L.D. (Definitely. This comic is BEGGING for Linkara to mock it). Moon Knight (Maybe) Morbius (Maybe. He’s getting his own movie) Stargirl (maybe too modern, but she’s fairly popular in multimedia) Batgirl Batwoman (maybe too modern) Catwoman (Maybe) Legion of Superheroes Hawkman (He’s appeared a few times in live action, and was in the Super Friends stuff). John Stewart Green Lantern (Lott’s people know him from Justice League Cartoon). Zatanna (I think she’s popular) Jonah Hex (Not really a superhero, but he shows up a lot) Swamp Thing Doom Patrol (They’ve got a series now) Wow, it was way easier to do Marvel stuff than DC.
I realized a few more I should have suggested: The Falcon War Machine Storm and Nightcrawler (I think they were introduced in the same issue). Our Old Great-Disaster-Stopping Pa, Ray Palmer I may be too into this series.
It's actually interesting that THIS was the inspiration for a Justice League episode where Martian Manhunter, Flash, Hawkgirl, and John Stewart end up in a silver age world.
The Scooby-Doo joke makes me wonder if Linkara's read the Scooby Doo Apocalypse comic and what he thinks about. Personally, I think it stands as easily the first or second most ambitious take on the franchise, and as such one of the best.
If there's an infinite amount of parallel worlds then some of those worlds would be imaginary ones; I love how this this story walks up to this line by having Barry talk about Jay being a fictional character in his world but then runs away from it very quickly because what it means to his own life as the Flash. "I'm real and you're... obviously real." It looks like to me Jay Garrick actually took the next logical step of what that really means and seems to be aware his desire being the Flash relates to his book being cancelled... and the "new guy" showing up and what that means for the Flash of Either World. When Peter Parker meet Stan Lee in the final episode of the SM Animated series, he took his "fictional" status better... especially in how he didn't chew Stan Lee out for making his life a mortal hell. But, sure, one guy meets his fictional counterpart and it means"multiverse" for everyone based on an assumption; DC comics stands for both DisContinuity Comics and Don't Care Comics after all.
@@StepperBox i loved morrison's idea of, "what happens in comic book from earth 3, happened in the earth 56" and things like that. ALSO i loved how Spider-Man realizing he was a fictional character in his universe was actually a case of "being at peace with himself". that even his suffering has purpose to inspire others to rise up and be better people. or at least give them a good time.
I do love the fact that the villains just Accept that there are TWO flashes running around without asking any questions about it. Also, if Gardner Fox existed on Earth 1 was there one on earth 2 as well?
I just want to point out that after this and before Crisis on Infinite Earths there's about ten more Crisis events where the Jla and Jsa team up on a mostly annual basis for stories like Crisis on Earth 3 (Crime Syndicate), or Crisis on Earth X (Freedom Fighters). They're collected in the trade paperback Crisis on Multiple Earths, and it's a fun read that gradually expanded the multiverse. The point is that it wasn't a jump right to Crisis on Infinite Earths, that was the culmination of a long pattern of Crises. If you enjoyed this simpler, old fashioned style of comics, check it out.
This reminds me of the Justice League animated series two-parter "Legends" where they travel to the alternate dimension and meet the Justice Guild of America. They also talk about the dreaming vibrations create comic books thing in that as well.
I mean if you get to run at Speed Force speeds the air resistance is probably more than enough to iron your clothes... as long they're not igniting ok, im pretty surprised that by now there aren't multiple characters/corporations dedicated to making infomercial products out of Villain tech, like the Puppy Talker!
Some ideas for next year’s Secret Origins Month: Marvel Super-Heroes #13 and Ms Marvel #1(first apearence of Carol Danvers both as herself and Ms Marvel respectively) The Umbrella Academy #1 (no surprises for guessing what this is the first appearence of) The Boys #1 (first appearance of the Seven and the heroic black ops team of the comic’s title) Swamp Thing Vol. 2 #25 (first appearance of John Constantine) Alias #1 (first appearance of Jessica Jones) Hero for Hire #1 (first appearance of Luke Cage)
This comic is also tragic, in a way. It was the last time DC got to be itself, rather than try to be someone else. The contrasting styles of the current and previous incarnations of The Flash did not hamper the overall tone in any way, as with most, it also took advantage of the goofiness of the Golden Age with fourth wall humor, using it as a way to not talk down and berate the audience, but rather ask the fans to see if they are willing to stick around.
Funny I should watch this right after rewatching the Justice League episode “Legends”, which was clearly inspired by this - and dedicated to Gardner Fox as well!
It was SO cool that Episode 2x02 of The Flash TV series homaged the cover. I know it looks here like they’re insult Gardner Fox’s creativity, but this is a theme DC likes to come back to (or at least did in Multiversity), the idea that comic books are windows into alternate Earths, and the different world influence each others’ development. Am I the only one who saw that Simpson’s clip and thought “Ancient Egypt!”?
I’m also willing to forgive the “villains don’t kill the heroes” in this instance. Given their history with Jay, I can easily believe that they might be implied to want Jay to live with his shame of no longer being able to defeat them.
Barry is really, *really* lucky he got back to Earth-1 on his first attempt. If this story was made in the modern day, he's spend about three volumes doing *Sliders* across different universes.
Also, kinda interesting how the villains act in this. They legitimately compliment each other and two of them run off to help Fiddler when they think he's in trouble. I guess on Earth-2, there really is honor among thieves.
There's a lot of that among Flash villains, a lot of them are really decent people. In Blackest Night (or maybe an earlier comic, idk) it's established they have a private cemetery for all of them, and they go to pay their respects there
@@Zenn_Chanit was earlier
Jays aging is surprisingly natural for a comic character
Lee Phillips
It doesn’t happen often, and I always enjoy it when it does.
It’s because they deliberately conceived the post-golden age JSA as older to reflect their status as “the old guard,” and even then in the pre-New 52, you’ll notice they never got much older than their silver age appearances.
"Scooby-Doo's origin story is weird!"
According to Mystery Incorporated, it's even _weirder._
You should see the Scooby-Apocalypse version!
Readingakes it seem like a video title from Comic Drake or Billiam
Isn’t he a distant relative of Cthulhu
@@jordanreed7570 hes also apparently distantly related to Sun Wukong
@@tomsmurf4225 only like how you and I are related as both humans
Don't you love how Barry just assumed Joan wouldn't know about Jay's secret, despite being married? Sadly, he didn't learn much from this.
Kinda weird, since he was a fan of the comics, and Jay got married _in_ those comics.
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Linkara: "The Thinker, The Fiddler..."
Me: "And The Candlestick Maker."
Not the Candlestick Maker....
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@@aidanklobuchar1798 -- Gigantamax Chandelure don't mess around.
Still a better villain than Luey the Lilac
When you read this issue and know that the Flash was Grant Morrison's favorite childhood superhero, his work starts to make sense... maybe....
Depending on who you ask about their work…
I didn’t realize how much the justice league episode “ legends” was inspired by this comic
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I honestly really like the tribute to Gardner fox at the end of it.
It's actually kinda funny that Linkara has such a problem with "Gardner Fox got all his ideas for the Flash comic via psychic dreams" when I doubt he questioned it when watching Justice League.
It's not the only time a work of fiction in one universe was reality in another and the writer either had the natural ability to peek into that "fictional" universe or through artificial means.
@@ShadowWingTronix yeah. even twilight zone got into it (although i forgot if that was first or this comic).
Also, you can have variants of that. eiher both are mutiually fictional, earth a dreamed about events of earth b, while earth b had dreams about earth c, and earth c about earth a.
@@buchiklop110 Not only that, but the episode copied the villains, too. just replace the Fiddler with an accordian. Music Meister, I think he was named?
Wasn't expecting the first appearance of a concept, especially the multiverse.
Can’t wait for the episodes about Escher Girls posing, Holofoil Covers and Youngblood’s Diseas!
It was a surprise and a DAMNED good one.
Angel Santiago you could do it with marvel next I'm pretty sure that would be marvel UK i would find that very interesting
I mean,the Multiverse has been a scientific hypothesis since the 19th Century so.
Well, similar concepts had characters tied to them in comics. Lest we forget the Marvel event where the characters had to appeal to a manifestation of their own universe to unlock the full power of the infinity gems so they could fix problems caused to make that happen.
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"The origin of Scooby-Doo is really weird."
You have no idea. Scooby-Doo and other talking pets are actually descendants of the animals possessed by the Annunnaki, a race of creatures living in another dimension. Every few thousand years, during an event called Nibiru, the barrier between their world and ours grows weak, allowing the Anunnaki to visit Earth.
Some of them are good and tend to help humans, while others are evil. The Anunnaki have no physical forms, so they have to inhabit various animals' bodies, thus being responsible for mythological figures as the Egyptian gods, China's Monkey King and the Aztec's Quetzalcoatl among others.
Is-is this real
@@odinkiller727 Yes.
Look it up
Did you make that up? Because I can believe that it's true.
Mystery inc was great.
@Will N To be fair, it's implied the timeline in that show reset to take place before the original show. The origin could still happen, just without the evil big bad alien that got killed by a stick
Maybe the Thinker's problem in the Flash TV show was that he never used his powers to make talking guard dogs for himself.
On a serious note, no, he just didn't account for Tenth-Metal worthy Plot armor.
Quite possibly the most important and groundbreaking single issue in DC's history...
Agreed
Or at the very least, ONE of the most groundbreaking.
You still have to consider All Star Comics #3 which first brought the National and All-American heroes together as the Justice Society, confirming that their stories were all taking place on the same Earth.
Action comics #1?
Michael Scally not just DC but I’m all of comics introducing the idea of an entire multiverse
"Baby Yoda is really cute!" - Linkara
Frozar Burst he’s not wrong
"Baby Yoda is really cute!" - literally every person with useable eyes, 2019
How can you say something so bold yet so controversial?
Miller is a great comic book artist.....and writer....
I AM THE G-D D-MNED BATMAN!
@@erikthebard2534 that's a joke, right? Only asking because apparently *some* people actually agree with that statement (based on the fact that his works continue to sell)
It's great to see that elements of this story were worked into the Justice League two-part episode, "Legends", which was dedicated to Garnder Fox.
I think the Gardner Fox getting dreams of Jay Garrick might be like how Robert E Howard said Conan appeared to him at night to recount his adventures.
Funny, whenever a muscular man in rather revealing clothing visits me in my room at night, his goals are much more nefarious.
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You joke but one of the Scooby doo show's actually do reveal why Scooby can talk...
And it's definitely weirder than this
As someone on tumblr put it, technically Scooby is distantly related to Cthulhu
Also, multiple cases of Mystery Inc working with and against DC characters.
@@vigilantsycamore8750 say what?
@@ChristianNeihart crossovers
Multiverses are fun :D And I'm with you -- it's nice to see a story where two characters from different worlds can meet WITHOUT it being a world-ending crisis. In fact, for Barry it's the chance of a lifetime -- solve a case with his comic book hero! :D That's really sweet, and I'd like more stories like THAT in the modern era. High-stakes adventures are fine, but a few low-stakes "hey let's just have a pizza night and catch some crooks" stories would help balance everything out nicely. *nods* Also, glad to see the kitties are still loving the camera. XD
I like that the whole "He got it in a dream" was used in that Justice League episode where they get stuck in another Earth.
You know, I'd like to think that in the DC Universe they read Marvel comics and in the Marvel Universe they read DC comics. And indie comics will exist in both, and both DC and Marvel exist as comics in indie universes.
One problem with this is that some indie comics are implied to take place in either the DC or Marvel universe, or both. Vampirella vs Pantha number one has Vampi state she's in Gotham City fighting Pantha and mentions it as a place where cats and bats do battle. Iirc, it also implies the Vampirella/Catwoman crossover is canon in Vampirella's world.
That's what I'd like to think to.
So glad I'm not the only one who thinks that
Barry having a big head instantly made me think of Grant Gustin's portrayal 😂😂😂
He actually kind of touched on something interesting here. The whole, "Fiction writer is actually writing the real experiences of people from another universe," trope is pretty common, but we rarely ever see the logical fallout to that. Like, a writer has just been told and presumably given evidence that all of the ideas they thought were their own are actually just events from somewhere else they've been copying. Their whole career is a lie. They don't have the talent they thought they did. That's got to fuck someone up.
Conversely, understanding the events in detail doesn't really do much if your writing can't make them compelling. I mean, people have managed to make the grand epic of the Roman Empire's history, founding, conquests, political movements, and fall *boring.* As with many other aspects of history that just make damn good stories. So, their ability to relay events in a compelling and interesting way is, in my opinion, something that should be respected.
One movie did the reverse, I forgot what the movie is called, but a person found out that their life is being controlled somewhat by a well-known author in the movie. The thing is, all the books the author makes ends with the main character dying, so we have this moment where the author finds out and starts asking herself "when I wrote those previous books, did I kill people?" it ends with her not killing the character, allowing the person to survive, even if the person told her "you should finish it how you want it" the author just couldn't do it and changed the ending.
That depends on the writer, though, doesn't it? Grant Morrison would love it if that was the case, though a more materialistic writer probably would be ruined by that, yeah.
Perhaps they could get the general idea of the character, but the details of stuff like their escapades and accessories being different.
As the multiverses idea is my favorite thing in superhero stuff- this is the origin of why I’m a fan of the stuff .
That feeling when you are so early the Flash thinks you're too fast.
"Fiddler-Mobile". Fun educational fact: in the UK, we call those windowless vans.
"We're starting with something... groovy."
You're reviewing an Earthworm Jim comic? Finally!
Probably Ash versus the Evil Dead
Evil Dead Christmas.
In the Justice League episode “Legends”, where the League go to an alternate reality and meet the Justice Guild Of America (off-brand versions of the Justice Society with off-brand versions of the Golden Age Heroes), part of the premise was that the Justice Guild were also a comic book in the League’s own reality that Jon Stewart was a fan of as a kid. While I know the Flash in Justice League was actually Wally West and not Barry Allen, I wish the writers gave Flash the bit about being a comic book fan meeting the characters he liked due to the Flash of Two Worlds comic and how Jay being Barry’s hero and inspiration was a big part of their relationship and Barry becoming a superhero.
Saiyef96 I know what you were taking about but I’d specify that you are talking about Barry not Wally who was there
Just find it funny that the discovery of the multiverse came about all because Barry tried to do a magic trick.
I remember them referencing this on The Flash. Also having John Wesley Shipp play Jay Garrick is genius
Ben Wasserman Then having him play Barry again from the 90s CBS Flash series was great!
A C Yes, on Earth-90 mind you. Though his hero galley seems like a hodgepodge of universes
Ben Wasserman I had forgotten which Earth Barry/Shipp was from, appreciate the info.
@Trevor Anthony And having Amanda Pays, Alex Désert and even Mark Hamill play variations of their old roles was great fan service
@@benwasserman8223 yay!😂 I’m not alone!❤
I love that they recreated the cover on the TV Show. I also love that the community center plays a role in Final Crisis.And of course, they homaged this story with the Justice Guild on Justice League.
My first JLA Comic was the 1982 JSA team-up, where they also ally with the All-Star Squadron to battle the Crime Syndicate of America, and Per Degaton, to save Earth-Two, and prevent the nuclear annihilation of our world when super-powered American's stole the Russian missiles in Cuba.
Funny, the psychic waves were kind of an explanation of why stories are written in that Two-Parter of the DCAU Justice League and it had also the fiddler. It's fun, when they reference that stuff^^.
Also, nice detail: the villains want to help their colleague and they are not like "screw that guy." It's nice, when even the bad guys demonstrate that teamwork and being nice to each other helps.
Kinda foreshadows how the Flash's villains/rogues gallery would be one of the most civil and loyal rogues galleries in superhero comics
Is it safe to say that with this story, the creation of the justice league and justice society, that Gardner Fox is one of the most important writers in the history of DC comics. And I’m surprised he isn’t given more love from the Company
It's really nice that we kind of have an adaptation of this now thanks to Justice Society WW2
I had no idea how in-depth this story was. I kinda figured that it was just a one off that eventually inspired the idea of the DC Multiverse, but no, practically all the details that would be there later are laid here. That, and as a previous commenter noted, the DCAU episode Legends was basically a direct adaptation of this story with a few character changes. Always loved that episode, and now equally appreciate this issue. Thanks Linkara!
On an unrelated note - OMG KITTIES! I want to squeeze them! :D
i like your cats have been making a aperance
@@comixproviderftw_02The new Stan Lee cameo
What are you talking about? They have always had cats.
@@Gungelion The spirit of Stan lives on in one cat and Jack Kirby's in the other.
He's training them to take over the show one day.
@@katherinelynch4193 one is Starfire so...Garth Enis? Who did his favorite run of the Titans again?
"And still none of them had a ZPM"
I appreciate the Stargate Atlantis Joke.
Thank you Neil Gaimain for Destiny (ok he didn't create him but he made him cool)
Recommendations for next year’s secret origins month:
Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver in Uncanny X-men #4
Wally West in The Flash #110
The Vision in Avengers #57
Nick Fury in Sgt. Fury and his Hallowing Commandos #1
I'd love to see him cover Wally's origin.
@@OfficialCptTesla and have him give a mini rant at the beginning of how, before all the crap wally went through, he came from humble origins
You got two of them right.
@@daelen.cclark and the Scarlet Witch/Quicksilver.
@@RabblesTheBinx
That too.
...Bouncing from universe to universe, hoping each time the next vibration, will be the vibration home!!
Baby Yoda will unite this country and bring us out of the dark times.
And devour more unborn babies! (i just saw the Passenger episode) Seriously, whoever thought that was funny or cute is fucked up.
The funny thing is, they decided to do Crisis because they thought the multiple Earths concept was too confusing, but the very first Justice League I remember buying was 100, when I was only 7 years old. I loved the story and never had a problem following the concept.
One thing I did love about the 'jewels in the ears' explanation is that the Fiddler's power really shouldn't effect the Flashes anyway, because of the Doppler effect.
"It's too complicated" = editorial, management and marketing are having a real bad day, and writers just writing whatever with whichever characters aint helping" and not for the readers to follow any particular individual story
My first Justice League of America comic was #91. It had both the Earth One and Earth Two Supermen, Hawkmen, Green Lanterns, Flashs, Atoms, and Robins. I was 8. I had no problem with the idea or the different versions. Up until Crisis, I always thought that it was explained very well whenever the various different Earths were used. I never understood the "too confusing", and I was only a casual comic book reader for the next several years.
@@louisvictor3473 "It's too complicated" = we need a new marketing gimmick and just can't admit we want to create a big cash cow for the 50th anniversary of DC. Let's use a reason that is insulting to our readers while making us look like concerned people and not the greedy corporate tools that we really are.
For those who don’t know what the Doppler Effect is, when something producing sound moves, the waves get closer together on one side than the other; same with when something moves within earshot of the sound, from their perspective. The sound sounds slightly pitch-shifted to the observer-the same effect that the gems have.
Note that this is the CliffNotes explanation and thus may be oversimplified.
The powers that be at both comic companies tend to think their readers are absolute morons that can't understand anything more than simple concepts. WB believes people won't be able to understand multiple versions of the same character existing in both TV shows and movies separately. I don't remember exactly how old I was but my first DC comic was a Batman issue smack dab in the middle of Knightfall with Azreal Batman killing people. I immediately understood that this wasn't the same Batman I had seen from TAS or reruns of the Adam West series. I got into X-men comics around the same time as well and if people can understand WTF was going on with the X-men during the 90s I think they'll be able to grasp any concept comic writers throw at them.
Good timing with this considering CW's Crisis on Infinite Earths is coming in 2 weeks.
My thoughts exactly
Back when the multiverse was a simple concept
You think the original script for this comic called for "guards," and the artist just assumed they were supposed to be guard dogs? Then, when they brought up later, he was just like, "okay, that makes way more sense, but the talking dogs are awesome, and I'm keeping them," and everyone just kinda agreed?
I’m comin!
I’m coming!
PHRASING!
Dead. 😂😂😂
he gets points for using Archer.
I just realized even sonic generations referenced this cover in the death egg robot cutscene, both Sonic’s in a hall (with a giant mirror instead of a wall) confused at the other,before Classic hears his Eggman speak and runs while older sonic is still confused, letting the boss begin, just an awesome reference
Obviously the Flash superspeeds to the nearest dry cleaners and borrows their equipment to get rid of the wrinkles before he puts the suit on.
Considering Dream and his bro Destiny are Endless really high level cosmic beings who exist as concepts they could very well have been responsible for these authors dreaming of different reality’s as a way to recycle ideas or perhaps to inspire other heroes in many different realities giving them similar names and abilities and allowing them to unite when a Crisis or similarly dangerous threat arises.
2:22
THAT CAT'S WAVING AT US!!!!!!! IT CAN SEE US!!!!!!!!!!
How much do you want to bet the cat is somehow going to be important for the storyline?
@@Ashurman666 I can totally believe that.
His first appereance was when he announced the title of comic
Didn’t even see them in the corner there.
Y'know, it occurs to me that if this were a Marvel story, the two Flashes would've mistaken each other for a villain through a contrived series of misunderstandings and poor communication and started duking it out, leading to a severe amount of property damage before teaming up to defeat the villain...
It’s weird that we see the blue hand and the Earths side-by-side recreated today as depictions of the Multiverse, and not “mucking up vibrating a rope to entertain some bored kids”.
Am i the only one who likes the concept of "dreaming about things that happen in another universe"? I mean, It isn't that far fecthed, and is similar to those cases of "a character has a prophetic dream".
Just switch "dreamed about the future" o "dreamed about the present in another universe"
@@MysteriousTomJenkins Yeah. it also plays with the concept f multvierse: What were only dreams or fictional characters in this earth, are real in others (wether are connected or not it could depend from story)
Have you ever heard of tulpas? is basically a general desription of an imaginary friend that came to life and now has an independent existence on its own from you. That if you only want to bring 1 single "fictional character from a comic book" could be an interesting idea (especially if you have the tulpa of said comic book character interactingwith that comic book character who comes from an universe where the comic book events are real).
However the concept would fly way higher if you tried to say "one person created a tulpa pocket universe out of their dreams without having godlike powers" (although it could be an intereting concept to tie it to the astral plane and stories that have imagination as a power.)
This issue really drives it home an issue I have with the Edge of Spiderverse minis. It feels like all of them tie into a big multiversal crisis with ever escalating stakes. And it’s like, sometimes I just was to see a neat alternate universe and see their heroes handling local threats. If the Spiderverse is constantly in danger it loses its impact, and sometimes I just want to see a pterodactyl who got turned into a t-Rex fight a t-rex who became a pterodactyl, or Venom as a sapphic magical girl.
Simple stories are essential. It’s all in the marketing.
Gotta say I always love it when you roll out your “talking dog” voice.
Always loved the caption box hands. Distinctive and imaginative.
I just watched this review, felt like finally continuing the Flash TV series after having watched season 1 years ago and went on Amazon Prime to do so, and literally in the first two episodes of season 2, Jay Garrick shows up and they reference the cover of this comic. As a non-comic reader, I'm so grateful to Linkara for all the years of comic book reviews and backstory explanations, or else I wouldn't have gotten half of all the references in superhero movies and shows over the past decade.
Eh ❤
And thus, one of the most fascinating concepts in all of science fiction (maybe fiction in general) is introduced to the masses.
I think science fiction novels where the first to come up with this concept.
One of the best and most iconic comics of the Flash and DC comics in general. Really hope that someday in the future this gets adapt into a movie (it can be either live action or animated). It would be awesome to see a movie showcasing Barry’s origin and having Jay Garrick appearing and acting as mentor for the new and inexperient speedster.
Thanks Linkara for reviewing my Secret Origin. ;) ;)
Plot twist - both Gardner Fox and Jay Garrick had Ancient communication stones. When Fox was dreaming of the Flash, Jay was dreaming of being a comic book writer. He never questioned it because he thought it was relaxing.
But in the DCAU Justice League when Lantern (Jon Stewart), Hawkgirl, Flash (Wally West), and Martian Manhunter crossed into a different dimension it was also similar to this cause of how the heroes and villains all reminded Green Lantern of his time as a boy reading comics. The writer of the comics kept in sync with them until he stopped making them and likewise in the other world it was devastated by nuclear warfare resulting in a truly horrific change for someone there.
The one thing about the Earth-Two heroes being comic book characters on Earth-One is that everyone should know who Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman are since their identities are the same on both worlds.
One of my favorite multi-verse stories was an issue of Brave & The Bold where The Phantom Stranger gives Batman the opportunity to prevent the murder of the Waynes on another Earth. Just like several decades separated the Earth-One Bruce from his Earth-Two counterpart, this Earth had a similar separation. Robin goes along and while Bruce is preoccupied with finding Joe Chill, Dick investigates the world. He finds that young Bruce is a spoiled brat, the world lacks any heroic literature, and star charts show no sign of Krypton ever existing. He begins to wonder if preventing the murder will rob the world of the only hero it will every have.
1:50 Bonus points for referencing Stargate: Atlantis!
I'm also a huge fan of the Legacy Story concept. It's really cool to see a new hero and an older hero of the same ilk (example: the two Flashes in this comic) meeting up and working together for a bit. Not only is it a nice continuity nod and some acknowledgement to the older fans, but it's also a way to get younger readers interested in hunting down the old stories to see what all the fuss is about. And in this day and age, Legacy content _should_ be easier than ever to access. But that's a rant for another day...
Ya gotta love that last panel of the comic book. Given that Gardner Fox wrote it, it essentially puts Fox and Infantino “atop the fourth wall.”
I hope Lewis guest stars on another WTFIWWY episode with Tara so all three hosts can have their cats onscreen.
If you want to know more about the Many-Worlds Interpretation, I recommend _Something Deeply Hidden_ by Sean Carroll. There is actually a variant of Many-Worlds where the different branches can communicate through what is known as an "Everett phone".
This is one of my favorite comic book issues of all time. Thank you so much for reviewing it and bringing it to a new audience!
So the Flash first crosses the dimensional barrier -- completely by accident while performing rope tricks for kids. Anyone else feel that's kind of a weaksauce way to start off what would later become one of the most important crossovers in comics?
Also, is this the origin of the infamous comradery between the Flash Rouges? Shade and Thinker realize their fellow crook may be in over his head, and immediately rush to his rescue instead of just taking the loot and ditching him.
See, I have no problem with the idea of "getting thoughts about stories via mind link to another dimension"...but only because I first came across an idea like that via an episode of Darkwing Duck as a kid, where a guy gets linked mentally (I think by a helmet in that version) to Darkwing's world, and thus gets story ideas from it.
It's called "Twitching Channels"!
The Flash of Two Worlds cover is my all time number one favorite comic book cover!!
I mean, Dream is also a thing so the dream writing thing makes as much sense as anything. Also Shade is a rather interesting character in his own right.
I hope he eventually does more of the silver age crisis crossovers
There has been the occasional comic where a character's dimensional parallel is a normal person, for example Earth-One's Johnny Thunder never had a Thunderbolt genie; he ended up becoming a villain.
Considering the DCTV Crisis on Infinite Earths that’s happening, this is great coincidental timing. Either that or Linkara is some sort of wizard that can predict events in order to have good synergy, but how likely is that?
As for SO Month 2020, if we’re gonna go back to 2 Marvel/2 DC, I’d say some good subjects could be Nick Fury, Carol Danvers, Batwoman and The Atom (Ray Palmer).
I still love that Episode 2x02 of The Flash was able recreate that cover.
Suggestions for future Secret Origins:
Carol Danvers
Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch
Vision
The Watcher (He’s going to Star in that upcoming miniseries)
She-Hulk
Punisher
Jessica Jones (Maybe too modern)
Iron Fist (Maybe too late)
Nick Fury
S.H.I.E.L.D. (Definitely. This comic is BEGGING for Linkara to mock it).
Moon Knight (Maybe)
Morbius (Maybe. He’s getting his own movie)
Stargirl (maybe too modern, but she’s fairly popular in multimedia)
Batgirl
Batwoman (maybe too modern)
Catwoman (Maybe)
Legion of Superheroes
Hawkman (He’s appeared a few times in live action, and was in the Super Friends stuff).
John Stewart Green Lantern (Lott’s people know him from Justice League Cartoon).
Zatanna (I think she’s popular)
Jonah Hex (Not really a superhero, but he shows up a lot)
Swamp Thing
Doom Patrol (They’ve got a series now)
Wow, it was way easier to do Marvel stuff than DC.
I realized a few more I should have suggested:
The Falcon
War Machine
Storm and Nightcrawler (I think they were introduced in the same issue).
Our Old Great-Disaster-Stopping Pa, Ray Palmer
I may be too into this series.
It's actually interesting that THIS was the inspiration for a Justice League episode where Martian Manhunter, Flash, Hawkgirl, and John Stewart end up in a silver age world.
I'll bet grant Morrison snuggles with this comic every night
Mike Manhattan
I think that’s obvious.
The Scooby-Doo joke makes me wonder if Linkara's read the Scooby Doo Apocalypse comic and what he thinks about. Personally, I think it stands as easily the first or second most ambitious take on the franchise, and as such one of the best.
I always assumed the reason The Flash's suit didn't have wrinkles was he was basically auto ironing it with mach speed as soon as he popped it on.
He finally got it out on Monday congratulations! But yeah I understand how tough this process is I’ll always watch your work no matter when it posted
The Flash playing Tennis with himself? Ha! Sonic the hedgehog can play Ping Pong with himself!
Accidental or deliberate..... YOU MAKE THE CALL!!!
Since the movie trailer confirmed he read Flash comics then it may not be a coincidence he wanted to see if he could do it
@@SHINOBI-03 so by the logic of this comic, there should be a Sonic/Flash crossover
@@SHINOBI-03 Don't ruined the joke.
I'm glad to see that after months of work Lewis is back on track!
If there's an infinite amount of parallel worlds then some of those worlds would be imaginary ones; I love how this this story walks up to this line by having Barry talk about Jay being a fictional character in his world but then runs away from it very quickly because what it means to his own life as the Flash. "I'm real and you're... obviously real."
It looks like to me Jay Garrick actually took the next logical step of what that really means and seems to be aware his desire being the Flash relates to his book being cancelled... and the "new guy" showing up and what that means for the Flash of Either World.
When Peter Parker meet Stan Lee in the final episode of the SM Animated series, he took his "fictional" status better... especially in how he didn't chew Stan Lee out for making his life a mortal hell. But, sure, one guy meets his fictional counterpart and it means"multiverse" for everyone based on an assumption; DC comics stands for both DisContinuity Comics and Don't Care Comics after all.
I love the absolute extreme Grant Morrison goes to with this idea in multiversity, where everyone is in everybody else's comic books.
@@StepperBox i loved morrison's idea of, "what happens in comic book from earth 3, happened in the earth 56" and things like that.
ALSO i loved how Spider-Man realizing he was a fictional character in his universe was actually a case of "being at peace with himself". that even his suffering has purpose to inspire others to rise up and be better people. or at least give them a good time.
@@ianr.navahuber2195 I need to read the spiderman comic but it sounds exactly like my kind of jam!
@@StepperBox i talked about the animated series from the 90s
@@ianr.navahuber2195 well dang! i should get more caught up i guess.
Linkara releasing a video on Monday....WHAT KIND OF NEW SPORT OF MADNESS IS THIS?
I do love the fact that the villains just Accept that there are TWO flashes running around without asking any questions about it. Also, if Gardner Fox existed on Earth 1 was there one on earth 2 as well?
Not gonna lie, the alternate Linkara outfit in the thumbnail is pretty damn good and I hope it makes a real appearance soon~~
2:24 Rogue kitty sighting!
I just want to point out that after this and before Crisis on Infinite Earths there's about ten more Crisis events where the Jla and Jsa team up on a mostly annual basis for stories like Crisis on Earth 3 (Crime Syndicate), or Crisis on Earth X (Freedom Fighters). They're collected in the trade paperback Crisis on Multiple Earths, and it's a fun read that gradually expanded the multiverse. The point is that it wasn't a jump right to Crisis on Infinite Earths, that was the culmination of a long pattern of Crises. If you enjoyed this simpler, old fashioned style of comics, check it out.
Fusion Space
Fair enough, but he knows that.
(I think he was referring to modern multiverse stories.)
No ZPM in Atlantis? Finally! I can say this with a straight face: "This sounds like a job for Aquaman!"
and the more perfect part is Aquaman (Jason Momoa) was in Stargate Atlantis!
This reminds me of the Justice League animated series two-parter "Legends" where they travel to the alternate dimension and meet the Justice Guild of America.
They also talk about the dreaming vibrations create comic books thing in that as well.
Yes, I agree: Baby Yoda is cute and that is a fact.
"I hear they're gonna announce my next opponent in their next news broadcast!"
Me in the future: *sigh* ....
4:49-4:55 It's radioactive now! That can't be good!
I mean if you get to run at Speed Force speeds the air resistance is probably more than enough to iron your clothes... as long they're not igniting
ok, im pretty surprised that by now there aren't multiple characters/corporations dedicated to making infomercial products out of Villain tech, like the Puppy Talker!
Some ideas for next year’s Secret Origins Month:
Marvel Super-Heroes #13 and Ms Marvel #1(first apearence of Carol Danvers both as herself and Ms Marvel respectively)
The Umbrella Academy #1 (no surprises for guessing what this is the first appearence of)
The Boys #1 (first appearance of the Seven and the heroic black ops team of the comic’s title)
Swamp Thing Vol. 2 #25 (first appearance of John Constantine)
Alias #1 (first appearance of Jessica Jones)
Hero for Hire #1 (first appearance of Luke Cage)
This comic is also tragic, in a way. It was the last time DC got to be itself, rather than try to be someone else. The contrasting styles of the current and previous incarnations of The Flash did not hamper the overall tone in any way, as with most, it also took advantage of the goofiness of the Golden Age with fourth wall humor, using it as a way to not talk down and berate the audience, but rather ask the fans to see if they are willing to stick around.
For the dogs talking... maybe on Earth 2 dogs do talk? ;)
Yay I got that Stargate Atlantis reference at the beginning.
Funny I should watch this right after rewatching the Justice League episode “Legends”, which was clearly inspired by this - and dedicated to Gardner Fox as well!
That Sliders reference. perfect
It was SO cool that Episode 2x02 of The Flash TV series homaged the cover.
I know it looks here like they’re insult Gardner Fox’s creativity, but this is a theme DC likes to come back to (or at least did in Multiversity), the idea that comic books are windows into alternate Earths, and the different world influence each others’ development.
Am I the only one who saw that Simpson’s clip and thought “Ancient Egypt!”?
I’m also willing to forgive the “villains don’t kill the heroes” in this instance. Given their history with Jay, I can easily believe that they might be implied to want Jay to live with his shame of no longer being able to defeat them.
But did he
Stand for every one of us?!?