I'm getting less of a "she plans to hunt them down" vibe and more of a "it's Caiatl's opinion that the ahamkara be returned to extinction, and if another hunt does happen, then the cabal would lend their aid" kinda vibe.
Yeah, same here. Less of an active plan, but more of a contingency once again. They’re not gonna immediately hunt Riven and Taranis’s progeny as soon as the Witness is dealt with, but they’re gonna keep an eye on them, and if it’s once again declared that they cannot live, then the Cabal will gladly help.
Agreed. It is even stated in the lore: "IF there is to be another Great Hunt, the Cabal will support it." Saying you will support something is quite different from saying "we plan to do this ourselves".
I got the impression they were also going to strongly encourage the Vanguard not to deal with them in future, and that vocal opposition may well turn into violent opposition if their concerns go unheeded.
Now this was some heavy lore. Saladin’s dialogue can be so memorable. I’d like to point out another important point: the Hive destroyed an entire race that had a respectful relationship with the Ahamakara, the Priests which watched over the dragons. They and the Ahamakara fought aginst the Hive. Though the Hive may have killed the dragons to be as few as there were before the Great Hunt, it’s still proof that a co-operative relationship with the dragons can work.
I'm just imagining a season where Mara gifts us a wish dragon of our own to keep and care for. We didn't get the little neomuna fish, at least let us have a wish dragon.
@@merilynnshark6144 is this not another way of viewing an Ahamkara as an object? An Ahamkara Whim, GIFTED to you, like Mara has OWNERSHIP of them. You want/desire/wish to HAVE an Ahamkara. A child, no less. For your own selfish entertainment? If this happens, nothing would have been learned.
@@elizabethhicks4181 Riven entrusted the eggs to Mara's care, the same way a kid might be adopted by another family to give them a better chance. I'm just saying it would be an interesting story beat to have Taranis' wish keeper help raise one of the whims they saved.
@@elizabethhicks4181ima be real I am not a moral guardian, I want a little dragon around my shoulders whom I have to be really careful about what I say around lol
"They were always in contest with us, never in cooperation..." Hm makes me think about that one civilization the Hive had wiped out, The Harmony, who were said to be allied with Ahamkara at that time. Curious if the Ahamkara's nature was different at that time and changed after arriving in Sol.
See I just want our Guardian to take the wish dragons on a field trip to the dreaming city and the black garden to show them the story of Riven and Taranis and perhaps visit Taranis’ remains so he can meet them. If anyone tries to hurt the whims, I will turn them into the new touch of malice.
The things guardians will do to those that attempt to hurt those they care about. Especially small children lol. Crow is like a little brother and the moment savathun messed with him in lost, I was never more ready to give her the beatdown.
The imagine of the guardian running around like they’re preschool teacher on a field trip with their class, while also heavily armed, is kinda funny to me.
I keep thinking about this; we probably are best qualified to take care of them. Mara has thousands, maybe millions of years of history with the Ahamkara and therefore can't look at them without bias. We and Crow are the only ones who heard Taranis' words firsthand. Everyone else thinks ahamkara are too dangerous and too cunning for their own good; not unlike ourselves. We are obsequious, and so nobody doubts our loyalty...not since Ada-1. It's not fair that those Whims are punished and pre-judged for things they didn't do.
Wow this was very powerful Byf…. The dangers after the final shape really is something scary. Mara Sov vs Caitl… and we are forced to make a choice? Ooooof … that’s so hard even if we try to be neutral. This was a great video to ponder about
Ngl, as much as I love Caital. Imma have to side with Mara and the babbies, I can't be losing Petra or my new lil dragon friends before they are even born.
I’m loving the Ahamkara videos. Within fantasy contexts I can never get into the idea of dragons for some reason but something about the Paracausal Wish aspects of these beasts enamors me
I now want to season where we get like a similar thing to where we had to pick a side between the drifter and the Vanguard, but instead, will you pick a side between protecting the dragons and hunting them with the cabal.
Loved this reading of the cabal council. To me it was giving a bit of the Covenant and Prophets vibe from Halo 2 and really makes me want to see it in “live action” the way the Master Chief collection did.
If Riven's whims are children of Taranis, there is a large chance they could be compassionate and not cruel, despite it costing themselves something. I see a plot where we choose a side where our violence provokes cruelty or our mercy bestows cooperation... *Equips Skyburner's Oath*
Heavy, deep lore as always. But also gotta admit: I adore how you change your tone in voice to match it with the character (like deeper with Saladin). Makes it feel like Saladin ACTUALLY said this
@@Notthebloodgod812There’s nothing except Hive cairns and monuments to glass. Xivu’s warborne Hive conquered the Cabal homeworld, and it has been under their rule ever since.
"There is nothing the Cabal cannot conquer with or without the psions" ummm caiatl im gonna give you 6 words "red war" "season of the chosen" do those ring a bell?
I'm wondering if a living Ahamkara is obliged to accept every wish, whether out of loyalty or because they want to twist it around and feed on it more? I think Riven declined because she had nothing to gain since she was dead already. If that is the case, and we're teaching these Ahamkara the difference between right and wrong, then we not only teach them to grant wishes the right way, but also not to grant wishes to those that have the intention to harm others
5:48 I have to agree with Tha'arec here. How many of these seasonal stories have we had where we needed to make a devil's bargain with someone or something that is highly likely to bite us in the butt? Riven, Savathûn, arguably Taken!Sloane... heck, even Clovis Bray, to fill out a year's worth of examples.
The conclusion of this video would make a great set up for a whole other game. After the events of Light and Dark Saga, you basically have a fresh start with a morally ambiguous plot - support the Progeny (Mara), or support extinction (Empress). The story has loads of opportunities for faction splitting, and different combat opportunities from small skirmishes to large battles. It would essentially be this universes civil war (after being united through battling the witness). We could also get some flash backs to the first great hunt. I wonder if Bungie has ever considered spin off games with all this lore!?!
All this talk about how the faction leaders may react to a post-Witness world, especially w/r/t the Awoken being OP, puts me in mind of a scene between two characters in the webcomic _Schlock Mercenary._ In the aftermath of an operation where the two, themselves leaders of nations, inadvertently collaborated, one offers asylum to the other for their crimes against a 3rd nation, to make the relationship more official. (Most pertinently: theft of a superweapon that could penetrate any defense) The line in specific (which I've paraphrased here) is the response: "I am the only known check on your power. Even if our goals aligned, it would be dangerous for me to accept." If Mara gets more powerful, this is how I suspect relations between her and the Vanguard to cool. We're friends, on paper, but we need to maintain a stalemate between us lest one spiral out of control. And furthermore, if we wish to maintain that stalemate, we need to ruthlessly crush any potential upset to that balance. Easy enough when it's the Hive or Vex. Probably not so easy when it's, say, Caiatl, or House Light.
The oldest Cabal myth is literally, "Mans wanted the moon, he took the moon, the end." These are not a people that vocalize what they want (Calus notwithstanding). They just go and *take* it. So at least, in a worst case scenario, their Hunt would go smoother than ours.
I like to think that the offspring we save will end up imprinting on us while still within the egg, being aware and sentient while within the egg. I’d like to think that once they hatch and we give it a name, it will sacrifice its physical form and take house within us. Maybe we could even end up causing a lot of stuff The Witness can’t quite counter.
One thing that I think is a bit of a plot hole is we never really gauge how much power an ahamkara "loses" in death if any and furthermore how much a guardian's power amplifies its power alive or dead. I mean we did get a lore tab that Ikora almost made a wish that would have destroyed the universe if a certain grenade launcher wielding titan hadn't punched her hard enough to knock her out. It brings me back to the reoccurring theme that power doesn't corrupt but corrupt people misuse power. Look at the warlords, the hive, mara, guardians misusing stasis and the light (as seen in the trials lore) ect. My point is the ahamkara will always be a threat because they are an unchecked power but imo more consideration should be put into properly training all guardian's about the risks of dealing with ahamkara and creating a better culture in the ranks when it comes to dealing with godlike beings. You have to remember it wasn't just Riven or Savathun's plans that made the curse on the dreaming city happpen; it was also the unending desire of 6 power-hungry guardian's wishing for loot and the death of riven.
From the biblical point of " the sins of the fathers shall fall on their sons" is somewhat where caitl and Saladin are coming from, but i believe that if crow can be involved in their upbringing as well as Osiris and possibly ikora, they can be taught differently, yes these creatures are powerful, but that's not a reason to extinguish what remains of them.. the same as hefund, she wasn't evil, she befriended a guardian before that guardian was slain..
Sins of the father isn't a great philosophy for Caitl, with all the bad the Cabal has been up to, and her father specifically, unless you also leave a space for forgiveness/redemption. With Taranis showing us that they can actually be helpful creatures, it would be pretty hypocritical of Caitl to want to purge them just for their species' actions.
@@arthanor9631 exactly the reason why I mentioned it, hypocritical, but highly likely, the fact that she has lord Saladin and can potentially convince her of the possiblity of mercy to the innocent children of riven and taranis... Likely? No Impossible? Also no
@@thelostcompass1320Hypocrisy be damned. Because of Calus, many Cabal in Sol defect to the Witness out of fear, greed for old treasures, or status like within the old cabal empire with no one to correct them. If the new Ahamkara give in to their instincts or learn about previous Ahamkara and get a grudge, who’s going to take responsibility for the damage? Like Saladin said, “Mercy for the enemy should not come at the cost of mercy for their victims.”
@@ringomandingo1015 see i definitely understand where you're coming from, and you're not wrong, but taranis is the proof that the ahamkara DO NOT HAVE TO follow their instincts and therefore have a choice, but I'm in agreement with you to an extent allow them to live a life in relative peace and and how they desire, however, should that desire begin to threaten the people... Then those who choose to do so must be ended, now as far as the cabal who followed Calus out of fear? They have a possible chance to join the coalition, and should they not, then they're traitors to Caiatl and their home world.
@@thelostcompass1320 personally, I’m not taking that chance. Two peaceful Ahamkara out of thousands ain’t enough proof for me. Plus not even Riven knows how Taranis even stayed alive without feasting, I don’t think their kids will figure out since both their parents are gone. With the Shadow Legion, Amanda tells us that the soldier’s eyes are dead. They’re all soulless husks. Former Cabal that essentially chose Death and are waiting for their bodies to die. They’re not coming back. Being merciful is a wonderful virtue but somewhere down the line, the hard choices need to be made where mercy isn’t an option.
I still wonder if the ahamkara could feed from the difference in wishes, but in a positive manner. If they could make a “you got even more than you wished for” work for them. After everything we have learned about the ahamkara, it doesn’t ever seem apparent that the difference must be suffering, just simply that a lot of deals were easy to twist in that way.
That is an interesting thought! It’s only said that the difference between Desire as Wanted and Desire as Resolved is what they feed on but there’s not necessarily anything that says it has to be negative. On the flip side, Riven says that all wishes have a cost, which seems like an inherent property of wishes, so I imagine the cost would still have to be applied somewhere?
quite funny to acknowledge the cabal inability to conquer the witness, or the pale heart for that matter, and then immediately say they can conquer anything.
what if in the future, they make a destiny that's totally different from what we have now. No cabal, no fallen, no hive, and new types of enemies. it just seems like they're setting something like that up
For final shape to be truely epic we need for one or more of our Ally leaders to die. I want Mithrax to become first Eliksni Guardian after dying a heroic death. If Caital Survives then the mission to retake her Homeworld needs to be one of the next lot of Episodes if it's not part of Heresy. I like the idea of losing alot of if not most of the locations we currently have battling the Witness and making Way for brand new Planets/locations for Episodes. Then at some point we're gonna have to focus on the Nine.
I somehow really like what they are going for. Ahamkara are not the real threat. It's ourselves. And the best thing we can do is cruel, making living and intelligent creatures into objects that can be destroyed at will, just so that we don't drive ourselfs a knife into the back, because we are that selfish. Shaxx really had it all figured out, not wanting to kill them really is the best action. Neither killing or treating them like objects will ever do us any good, since we never got rid of the problem. But it is also a Problem we cannot get rid of. Best we can do is teach the new generation as best we can, to hope they wont make the mistakes we did
If a war breaks out between The Awoken and the eggs and with the Cabal, I will be siding with The Awoken. Mara already has my sword so to speak and the eggs have my protection.
Hey byf, I thank you for this video because I believe this is something we must do in real life. People and creatures, we are living beings no matter the species, culture, nor race we can be mothers, fathers, brothers and sisters. Let's respect those around us and respect our planet. Everything and everyone only has one life to live and there is only one EARTH 🌍, let us foster peace or at least as close to it as possible. (Lol I think I went too deep)
Honestly because of our actions I don't think we can side against Mara and the Whims. We are already pretty much bound to be their protectors. Because of what we did involving the Bow and our involvement with Riven, we made a promise (well the queen did but we were there) and we as The Guardian keep our promises... just ask Ghaull, ooh wait... ok just ask Calus.. oh nope nope... ok I got it, just ask Savathun if we stick to our word. That is if she doesn't flinch when you come around the corner mistaking you for St. 14 for a split second.
So if we “allow” the ahamkara to live does that mean the good ones aren’t hunted and those who manipulate are killed? Who decides what wish is manipulated? Would there be a council, and if so would an ahamkara sit and decide whether another of its kind is killed off? Maybe we could limit wishes or somehow police what wishes are allowed to be made.
Ahamkara team all the way, sorry not sorry caitle but taranis is just my buddy now, I think cabal could make a nice and it would be awesome to be friend with dragons
Personally, I think wish magic and dragons are the worst part of Destiny lore. Sign me up, Empress! Lets put these things down for good and retake Torobatl!
I'm getting less of a "she plans to hunt them down" vibe and more of a "it's Caiatl's opinion that the ahamkara be returned to extinction, and if another hunt does happen, then the cabal would lend their aid" kinda vibe.
Yeah, same here. Less of an active plan, but more of a contingency once again. They’re not gonna immediately hunt Riven and Taranis’s progeny as soon as the Witness is dealt with, but they’re gonna keep an eye on them, and if it’s once again declared that they cannot live, then the Cabal will gladly help.
Agreed. It is even stated in the lore: "IF there is to be another Great Hunt, the Cabal will support it." Saying you will support something is quite different from saying "we plan to do this ourselves".
I got the impression they were also going to strongly encourage the Vanguard not to deal with them in future, and that vocal opposition may well turn into violent opposition if their concerns go unheeded.
What is a vibe
Vibes are like general feelings in the area. As an example, people will often say something has good vibes if its a pleasant environment. @@qpdb840
Now this was some heavy lore. Saladin’s dialogue can be so memorable. I’d like to point out another important point: the Hive destroyed an entire race that had a respectful relationship with the Ahamakara, the Priests which watched over the dragons. They and the Ahamakara fought aginst the Hive. Though the Hive may have killed the dragons to be as few as there were before the Great Hunt, it’s still proof that a co-operative relationship with the dragons can work.
I'm just imagining a season where Mara gifts us a wish dragon of our own to keep and care for. We didn't get the little neomuna fish, at least let us have a wish dragon.
@@merilynnshark6144 is this not another way of viewing an Ahamkara as an object? An Ahamkara Whim, GIFTED to you, like Mara has OWNERSHIP of them. You want/desire/wish to HAVE an Ahamkara. A child, no less. For your own selfish entertainment?
If this happens, nothing would have been learned.
@@elizabethhicks4181 Riven entrusted the eggs to Mara's care, the same way a kid might be adopted by another family to give them a better chance. I'm just saying it would be an interesting story beat to have Taranis' wish keeper help raise one of the whims they saved.
@@elizabethhicks4181ima be real I am not a moral guardian, I want a little dragon around my shoulders whom I have to be really careful about what I say around lol
Can i just say how much i love the concept of Psion "God-Thoughts." Thats such a cool name and concept for leaders of a psychic race
“There is nothing the cabal can’t conquer”
*Xixu Arath has entered the chat*
The phrase they say is open ended. They will soon kill xivu. Xivu will be conquered.
Hindsight has entered your chat
* *XIVU ARATH HAS ENTERED THE CHAT.*
yet now she is fated to be shoved into the forever box
@@unholypepe It’s more likely Xivu will be turned into a gun.
@@unholypepe because of us and Eris morn and immaru, Not cital. Couldn’t even fight her own dad lol
"They were always in contest with us, never in cooperation..." Hm makes me think about that one civilization the Hive had wiped out, The Harmony, who were said to be allied with Ahamkara at that time. Curious if the Ahamkara's nature was different at that time and changed after arriving in Sol.
hmm yk thats a good ass question
See I just want our Guardian to take the wish dragons on a field trip to the dreaming city and the black garden to show them the story of Riven and Taranis and perhaps visit Taranis’ remains so he can meet them. If anyone tries to hurt the whims, I will turn them into the new touch of malice.
The things guardians will do to those that attempt to hurt those they care about. Especially small children lol.
Crow is like a little brother and the moment savathun messed with him in lost, I was never more ready to give her the beatdown.
The imagine of the guardian running around like they’re preschool teacher on a field trip with their class, while also heavily armed, is kinda funny to me.
@@somerandomschmuck2547 Most heavily armed and ready to throw down preschool teacher ever.
I keep thinking about this; we probably are best qualified to take care of them.
Mara has thousands, maybe millions of years of history with the Ahamkara and therefore can't look at them without bias.
We and Crow are the only ones who heard Taranis' words firsthand.
Everyone else thinks ahamkara are too dangerous and too cunning for their own good; not unlike ourselves. We are obsequious, and so nobody doubts our loyalty...not since Ada-1.
It's not fair that those Whims are punished and pre-judged for things they didn't do.
I love how we see Caiatl is a compassionate but strong leader for her people, and even those who aren't her people.
Wow this was very powerful Byf…. The dangers after the final shape really is something scary. Mara Sov vs Caitl… and we are forced to make a choice? Ooooof … that’s so hard even if we try to be neutral. This was a great video to ponder about
Ngl, as much as I love Caital. Imma have to side with Mara and the babbies, I can't be losing Petra or my new lil dragon friends before they are even born.
I’m loving the Ahamkara videos. Within fantasy contexts I can never get into the idea of dragons for some reason but something about the Paracausal Wish aspects of these beasts enamors me
I now want to season where we get like a similar thing to where we had to pick a side between the drifter and the Vanguard, but instead, will you pick a side between protecting the dragons and hunting them with the cabal.
That could be how saladin returns to the vangard
Loved this reading of the cabal council. To me it was giving a bit of the Covenant and Prophets vibe from Halo 2 and really makes me want to see it in “live action” the way the Master Chief collection did.
This story is amazing. It is the thing that has kept me engaged with Destiny for almost 10 years...just exquisite.
If Riven's whims are children of Taranis, there is a large chance they could be compassionate and not cruel, despite it costing themselves something. I see a plot where we choose a side where our violence provokes cruelty or our mercy bestows cooperation... *Equips Skyburner's Oath*
bungie is actually doing good with these new subplot setups
I like this. Lore explained normal with good detail and specific content. Nice
Caiatl of all people should know that just because your parents are bad, doesn't mean you have to be too
Heavy, deep lore as always.
But also gotta admit: I adore how you change your tone in voice to match it with the character (like deeper with Saladin). Makes it feel like Saladin ACTUALLY said this
Love Caiatl councils, I like how they're written; the dynamics, the flow are engaging
Well developed arguments and riveting conclusions Byf....great food for thought!
If they touch the baby dragons, i might have to purge the Cabal
Finish what Xivu started and glass Torobatl from orbit
Try.
Indeed
Whether we wanted it or not, we've stepped into a war with the Cabal on Torobatl
@@Notthebloodgod812There’s nothing except Hive cairns and monuments to glass. Xivu’s warborne Hive conquered the Cabal homeworld, and it has been under their rule ever since.
"There is nothing the Cabal cannot conquer with or without the psions" ummm caiatl im gonna give you 6 words "red war" "season of the chosen" do those ring a bell?
Remember what Saladin said, “Mercy for the enemy should not come at the cost of mercy for their victims.”
WE ARE CABAL, WE EAT THE MOUNTAINS, WE DRINK THE SEA!
The Cabal is the most fascinating faction/alien race in Destiny
I'm wondering if a living Ahamkara is obliged to accept every wish, whether out of loyalty or because they want to twist it around and feed on it more? I think Riven declined because she had nothing to gain since she was dead already. If that is the case, and we're teaching these Ahamkara the difference between right and wrong, then we not only teach them to grant wishes the right way, but also not to grant wishes to those that have the intention to harm others
5:48 I have to agree with Tha'arec here. How many of these seasonal stories have we had where we needed to make a devil's bargain with someone or something that is highly likely to bite us in the butt? Riven, Savathûn, arguably Taken!Sloane... heck, even Clovis Bray, to fill out a year's worth of examples.
The conclusion of this video would make a great set up for a whole other game. After the events of Light and Dark Saga, you basically have a fresh start with a morally ambiguous plot - support the Progeny (Mara), or support extinction (Empress). The story has loads of opportunities for faction splitting, and different combat opportunities from small skirmishes to large battles. It would essentially be this universes civil war (after being united through battling the witness). We could also get some flash backs to the first great hunt. I wonder if Bungie has ever considered spin off games with all this lore!?!
"There is nothing we (cabal) can't conquer."
I would have replied with two words: Pale Heart.
All this talk about how the faction leaders may react to a post-Witness world, especially w/r/t the Awoken being OP, puts me in mind of a scene between two characters in the webcomic _Schlock Mercenary._ In the aftermath of an operation where the two, themselves leaders of nations, inadvertently collaborated, one offers asylum to the other for their crimes against a 3rd nation, to make the relationship more official. (Most pertinently: theft of a superweapon that could penetrate any defense) The line in specific (which I've paraphrased here) is the response: "I am the only known check on your power. Even if our goals aligned, it would be dangerous for me to accept." If Mara gets more powerful, this is how I suspect relations between her and the Vanguard to cool. We're friends, on paper, but we need to maintain a stalemate between us lest one spiral out of control. And furthermore, if we wish to maintain that stalemate, we need to ruthlessly crush any potential upset to that balance. Easy enough when it's the Hive or Vex. Probably not so easy when it's, say, Caiatl, or House Light.
The oldest Cabal myth is literally, "Mans wanted the moon, he took the moon, the end." These are not a people that vocalize what they want (Calus notwithstanding). They just go and *take* it.
So at least, in a worst case scenario, their Hunt would go smoother than ours.
I just noticed the gameplay footage is from before primary reserves became infinite. It feel so weird looking back on it
Right off the bat, story recap on season of the Wish
Don't forget that the Former-Cabal-Emporer Calus also utilized a Wish-dragon remains to get his way until Caital crushed it.
Yeah the second one is gonna ve me taking cabal tusks If they think they're going to take away dragons before I can ride one
I like to think that the offspring we save will end up imprinting on us while still within the egg, being aware and sentient while within the egg. I’d like to think that once they hatch and we give it a name, it will sacrifice its physical form and take house within us. Maybe we could even end up causing a lot of stuff The Witness can’t quite counter.
One thing that I think is a bit of a plot hole is we never really gauge how much power an ahamkara "loses" in death if any and furthermore how much a guardian's power amplifies its power alive or dead. I mean we did get a lore tab that Ikora almost made a wish that would have destroyed the universe if a certain grenade launcher wielding titan hadn't punched her hard enough to knock her out. It brings me back to the reoccurring theme that power doesn't corrupt but corrupt people misuse power. Look at the warlords, the hive, mara, guardians misusing stasis and the light (as seen in the trials lore) ect. My point is the ahamkara will always be a threat because they are an unchecked power but imo more consideration should be put into properly training all guardian's about the risks of dealing with ahamkara and creating a better culture in the ranks when it comes to dealing with godlike beings. You have to remember it wasn't just Riven or Savathun's plans that made the curse on the dreaming city happpen; it was also the unending desire of 6 power-hungry guardian's wishing for loot and the death of riven.
Another Byf video? IT REMINDS ME OF THE HUNT!
From the biblical point of " the sins of the fathers shall fall on their sons" is somewhat where caitl and Saladin are coming from, but i believe that if crow can be involved in their upbringing as well as Osiris and possibly ikora, they can be taught differently, yes these creatures are powerful, but that's not a reason to extinguish what remains of them.. the same as hefund, she wasn't evil, she befriended a guardian before that guardian was slain..
Sins of the father isn't a great philosophy for Caitl, with all the bad the Cabal has been up to, and her father specifically, unless you also leave a space for forgiveness/redemption.
With Taranis showing us that they can actually be helpful creatures, it would be pretty hypocritical of Caitl to want to purge them just for their species' actions.
@@arthanor9631 exactly the reason why I mentioned it, hypocritical, but highly likely, the fact that she has lord Saladin and can potentially convince her of the possiblity of mercy to the innocent children of riven and taranis...
Likely? No
Impossible? Also no
@@thelostcompass1320Hypocrisy be damned. Because of Calus, many Cabal in Sol defect to the Witness out of fear, greed for old treasures, or status like within the old cabal empire with no one to correct them.
If the new Ahamkara give in to their instincts or learn about previous Ahamkara and get a grudge, who’s going to take responsibility for the damage? Like Saladin said, “Mercy for the enemy should not come at the cost of mercy for their victims.”
@@ringomandingo1015 see i definitely understand where you're coming from, and you're not wrong, but taranis is the proof that the ahamkara DO NOT HAVE TO follow their instincts and therefore have a choice, but I'm in agreement with you to an extent allow them to live a life in relative peace and and how they desire, however, should that desire begin to threaten the people... Then those who choose to do so must be ended, now as far as the cabal who followed Calus out of fear? They have a possible chance to join the coalition, and should they not, then they're traitors to Caiatl and their home world.
@@thelostcompass1320 personally, I’m not taking that chance. Two peaceful Ahamkara out of thousands ain’t enough proof for me. Plus not even Riven knows how Taranis even stayed alive without feasting, I don’t think their kids will figure out since both their parents are gone.
With the Shadow Legion, Amanda tells us that the soldier’s eyes are dead. They’re all soulless husks. Former Cabal that essentially chose Death and are waiting for their bodies to die. They’re not coming back.
Being merciful is a wonderful virtue but somewhere down the line, the hard choices need to be made where mercy isn’t an option.
I've never been this early on a video before. Just wanted to say that I love your content, keep up the good work.
I still wonder if the ahamkara could feed from the difference in wishes, but in a positive manner. If they could make a “you got even more than you wished for” work for them. After everything we have learned about the ahamkara, it doesn’t ever seem apparent that the difference must be suffering, just simply that a lot of deals were easy to twist in that way.
That is an interesting thought! It’s only said that the difference between Desire as Wanted and Desire as Resolved is what they feed on but there’s not necessarily anything that says it has to be negative.
On the flip side, Riven says that all wishes have a cost, which seems like an inherent property of wishes, so I imagine the cost would still have to be applied somewhere?
I, as german, can advice, that genocide is NOT an option. No, really, no!
Taranis is my hope
quite funny to acknowledge the cabal inability to conquer the witness, or the pale heart for that matter, and then immediately say they can conquer anything.
what if in the future, they make a destiny that's totally different from what we have now. No cabal, no fallen, no hive, and new types of enemies. it just seems like they're setting something like that up
Hey Byf! When are you releasing the last video from that ahamkara series? Cant wait to watch it
it would be the coolest thing ever to have a baby Ahamkara sidekick
They touch even a scale on the lil ones imma do a Xivu Arath
Same
*pulls the string back on a bow made of void light and nods*
*nods while aligning the ice crystal on a Stasis trace rifle*
For final shape to be truely epic we need for one or more of our Ally leaders to die. I want Mithrax to become first Eliksni Guardian after dying a heroic death. If Caital Survives then the mission to retake her Homeworld needs to be one of the next lot of Episodes if it's not part of Heresy. I like the idea of losing alot of if not most of the locations we currently have battling the Witness and making Way for brand new Planets/locations for Episodes. Then at some point we're gonna have to focus on the Nine.
I somehow really like what they are going for. Ahamkara are not the real threat. It's ourselves. And the best thing we can do is cruel, making living and intelligent creatures into objects that can be destroyed at will, just so that we don't drive ourselfs a knife into the back, because we are that selfish.
Shaxx really had it all figured out, not wanting to kill them really is the best action. Neither killing or treating them like objects will ever do us any good, since we never got rid of the problem. But it is also a Problem we cannot get rid of. Best we can do is teach the new generation as best we can, to hope they wont make the mistakes we did
If a war breaks out between The Awoken and the eggs and with the Cabal, I will be siding with The Awoken. Mara already has my sword so to speak and the eggs have my protection.
Haven't finished the video yet, but anyone else notice the very first egg we got from Savy is still in that Eris room?
Yes I noticed that as well.
They better not touch my wish babies
Has anyone noticed the parallels between Mara and Daenerys have been growing massively.
Hey byf, I thank you for this video because I believe this is something we must do in real life. People and creatures, we are living beings no matter the species, culture, nor race we can be mothers, fathers, brothers and sisters. Let's respect those around us and respect our planet. Everything and everyone only has one life to live and there is only one EARTH 🌍, let us foster peace or at least as close to it as possible. (Lol I think I went too deep)
I’ll refuse to partake in any game activity supporting this. I’m here for the return of the ahamkara. I love them
I kinda agree with Caiatl. The ahamkara are far too dangerous to be left alive. We should have smooshed those eggs.
@ 1:13, sorry, what rumors of what other dragons??
It's a shame that we probably won't see any of this for another few years
Honestly because of our actions I don't think we can side against Mara and the Whims. We are already pretty much bound to be their protectors. Because of what we did involving the Bow and our involvement with Riven, we made a promise (well the queen did but we were there) and we as The Guardian keep our promises... just ask Ghaull, ooh wait... ok just ask Calus.. oh nope nope... ok I got it, just ask Savathun if we stick to our word. That is if she doesn't flinch when you come around the corner mistaking you for St. 14 for a split second.
Are characters in lore kept up to date by one another? Like, after this season, will Caiatal and Saladin be told of what happened?
So if we “allow” the ahamkara to live does that mean the good ones aren’t hunted and those who manipulate are killed? Who decides what wish is manipulated? Would there be a council, and if so would an ahamkara sit and decide whether another of its kind is killed off? Maybe we could limit wishes or somehow police what wishes are allowed to be made.
What if eggs are hatching. Psions gets the freedom through babysitting those ahankaras.
Love the story and the lore
19:51 Mara was offered Disciple status?? When was this?
Parasite quest in Witch Queen
Perhaps it is Guardians and Cabal that must be hunted this time if it is they whom cannot be trusted with such limitless power.
Is it just me or is there no audio on the video?
Nice to see Byf using the Eyes of Tomorrow
my favorite exotic rocket launcher ngl
bungie need to buff it with solar 3.0 words
This was an older clip cause Byf was picking up primary ammo and the Rocket wasn’t making free ammo
ohhhh mb
@@CruiserToneFan nah you good
If bungie keeps paying their writers we might get to see Saladin fight the guardian
Ahamkara team all the way, sorry not sorry caitle but taranis is just my buddy now, I think cabal could make a nice and it would be awesome to be friend with dragons
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Wait.. there might be seven other grown ahamkara? Meaning with taranis and riven, that made nine? … 😐
Awesome vid
Krogans revenge against The Turians
cabal vs hive?????????????
Are we not as "wish keepers" bound to protect the ahamkara?
There will be no 2nd Great Hunt, the Cabal will suffer greatly if they dare.
Taranis lore book is a good read
omelett time? ・_・
It's such a bad idea to hunt them again
Wolves vs Dragons????
Wait!!! OXA?????
0:55 Luke Skywalker?!
If we have to choose between cabal and awoken
Huuuuu boi torobatl all over again
"the future" is ending in about a year.
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I only know Destiny lore through Byfs videos; and even I'd start an account to kill Cabal if they crack a single scale of the baby dragons.
Personally, I think wish magic and dragons are the worst part of Destiny lore. Sign me up, Empress! Lets put these things down for good and retake Torobatl!
Love the story and the lore