"Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead." Col 2:12 declares that faith is the instrument through which one is raised. "But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name." John 20:31, the purpose verse of the entire Gospel of John, including John 6:44. "might have life" is synonymous with regeneration. The believing one is regenerated. "It pleased God...to save them that believe." How are those saved which believe? "...by the washing of regeneration." 1 Cor 1:21, Tit 3:5.
let us never fool ourselves into thinking that our faith comes from us it only comes from you and always remind us that there is no regeneration without you we don't convert anyone only you can because it is a literal miracle that you and you alone perform blessed be the name of the Lord!
John 12:32 And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to Myself.” does this verse not mean that Jesus is drawing everyone toward Him, and people can choose to yield and be regenerated or to reject Him?
Pastor, I have so much respect for you, hence I have learnt much from you. I thank God for you. You have shown me how to study the bible, and appreciate it at a whole new level. Praying for you always.
Do you respect a man who teaches this? John Piper QUOTE from is website... "God . . . brings about all things in accordance with his will. In other words, it isn’t just that God manages to turn the evil aspects of our world to good for those who love him; it is rather that he himself brings about these evil aspects for his glory (see Ex. 9:13-16; John 9:3) and his people’s good (see Heb. 12:3-11; James 1:2-4). This includes-as incredible and as unacceptable as it may currently seem-God’s having even brought about the Nazis’ brutality at Birkenau and Auschwitz as well as the terrible killings of Dennis Rader and even the sexual abuse of a young child . . . "God is responsible for the abuse of a young child.... Is this who you see God as ? Really? Piper is right about one thing! The Calvin god is responsible for all these and greater! Truth In Love
People get baptized on account of their faith. Col 2:12, if we read it literally, says that we are raised at the time of our baptism (regenerated) through our faith in God's work in raising Christ from the dead. So regeneration happens in water baptism according to a literal reading of this and Rom 6 as well. Therefore faith precedes regeneration because it also precedes baptism which is the cause of regeneration. Titus 3:5 also tells us baptism causes regeneration if we accept that "washing" is a synonym for baptism. This is not unreasonable given the connection of baptism with washing in the NT and the primitive Church's use of the word washing as a synonym for baptism.
This is all true.A baby doesn't cry to be born, it cries after it's born and a natural man doesn't cry out to God to be born again, he cries out to God after God made him born again.
Interesting analogy but not in the Bible Give one scripture that supports regeneration before faith and I’ll give you a whole bunch that says faith comes first
@@CBALLEN I read it a bunch of times. You have to have a Calvinist lens to think it supports it. While we were still dead in our transgressions Christ rose from the dead and God saw believers in Christ. Jesus died for us while we were still sinners. It’s not about God forcing salvation on you. Here are scriptures that show faith comes first and is actually a requirement- In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation-having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise, (Ephesians 1:13, NASB) But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, (John 1:12, NASB) “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. (John 3:16, NASB) He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. (John 3:18, NASB) He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.” (John 3:36, NASB) For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day.” (John 6:40, NASB) Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes has eternal life. (John 6:47, NASB) He who believes in Me, as the Scripture said, ‘From his innermost being will flow rivers of living water.'” (John 7:38, NASB) but these have been written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing you may have life in His name. (John 20:31, NASB) They said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.” (Acts 16:31, NASB) For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. (Romans 1:16, NASB) For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. (Romans 1:16, NASB) even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction; (Romans 3:22, NASB) For what does the Scripture say? “ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD, AND IT WAS CREDITED TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS.” (Romans 4:3, NASB) Now to the one who works, his wage is not credited as a favor, but as what is due. (Romans 4:4, NASB) But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness, (Romans 4:5, NASB) What shall we say then? That Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, attained righteousness, even the righteousness which is by faith; (Romans 9:30, NASB) but Israel, pursuing a law of righteousness, did not arrive at that law. (Romans 9:31, NASB) Why? Because they did not pursue it by faith, but as though it were by works. They stumbled over the stumbling stone, (Romans 9:32, NASB) just as it is written, “BEHOLD, I LAY IN ZION A STONE OF STUMBLING AND A ROCK OF OFFENSE, AND HE WHO BELIEVES IN HIM WILL NOT BE DISAPPOINTED.” (Romans 9:33, NASB) For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes. (Romans 10:4, NASB) that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; (Romans 10:9, NASB) for “WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED.” (Romans 10:13, NASB) So faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ. (Romans 10:17, NASB) For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not come to know God, God was well-pleased through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe. (1 Corinthians 1:21, NASB) This is the only thing I want to find out from you: did you receive the Spirit by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith? (Galatians 3:2, NASB) in order that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we would receive the promise of the Spirit through faith. (Galatians 3:14, NASB) But the Scripture has shut up everyone under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. (Galatians 3:22, NASB) For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; (Ephesians 2:8, NASB) not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. (Ephesians 2:9, NASB)
A man cries out to God after the Holy Spirit convicts him of his sin and he realizes that he needs righteousness that he is not able to attain, which is also what the Holy Spirit does. That is, man turns from faith in himself and places that faith in the Savior. At this point the man is still not saved or regenerated. GOD SAVES the one who places his faith in the Savior after hearing the Gospel and BELIEVES. Ephesians 1:13-14
"[We] are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith" Seems like Piper has it backwards... to bad Paul didn't get the memo when he wrote 'those' letters...
That text is great and is true. But it does not mitigate against texts like 1 John 5*1 1 Cor 12*3 others. Yes through our faith...however, John has a particular motif of born of God. While there is no stated order for regeneration precedes faith, NOR faith precedes regeneration, As Meyer wrote, ... "being born of God happens in this way, that God works faith in man; “the new birth is,” as it runs in the Mecklenburg Catechism, “the working and gift of faith.” The πιστεύειν, which begins with the gift of πίστις, is therefore the result, and hence also the token, of being born of God, as the ποιεῖν τὴν δικαιοσύνην (chap. 1 John 2:29) and the ἀγαπᾷν (chap. 1 John 3:7). [293] That this thought is presupposed by John, which Ebrard and Braune erroneously deny, is proved by the fact that John does not say here: ὁ ἐκ τοῦ Θεοῦ γεγεννημένος, but instead of it: ὁ ἀγαπῶν τὸν γεννήσαντα.
please Lord be with my sibling in Christ and help them with anything they might be struggling with, may they in their struggle latch on to you and hold on mightily and may it lead to maturity and a love for you that grows deeper and deeper in your wonderful name we pray amen
Romans 5:1,2 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God. We have access to grace by faith. Not the other way around.
Romans is so clear. "[We] are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith"
_"Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen."_ Hebrew 11:1 This is the biblical definition of faith as it relates to righteousness. Which sounds like the work of the Holy Spirit and not an inborn quality of fallen man. Unless one believes that we are capable of assuring ourselves of the things we hope for in Christ and convicting ourselves of things which we cannot see that are of eternal consequence. *Assurance* _"The Spirit himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God,"_ Romans 8:16 *Conviction* _"And when [the Holy Spirit] comes, He will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment:"_ John 16:8
@@dustincampbell4835 lol, John Calvin disagrees with your analysis. "in what way do men receive that salvation which is offered to them by the hand of God? The answer is, by faith; and hence he concludes that nothing connected with it is our own. If, on the part of God, it is grace alone, and if we bring nothing but faith, which strips us of all commendation, it follows that salvation does not come from us" "When, on the part of man, the act of receiving salvation is made to consist in faith alone, all other means, on which men are accustomed to rely, are discarded. Faith, then, brings a man empty to God, that he may be filled with the blessings of Christ. And so he adds, not of yourselves; that claiming nothing for themselves, they may acknowledge God alone as the author of their salvation."
@@dustincampbell4835 This is God's work in salvation. Yet man can resist the Holy spirit's conviction, indicating that man has some part to play. *Resisting the Holy Spirit* Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye. Acts 7:51
@@huntsman528 I'm not sure why you are laughing or why you are quoting John Calvin as though he sets the standard for biblical truth. I quoted scripture and you quote John Calvin? Strange. It appears you've also taken Calvin out of context and omitted something that he said in between those two paragraphs which you quoted. Namely; _"Ought we not then to be silent about free-will, and good intentions, and fancied preparations, and merits, and satisfactions? There is none of these which does not claim a share of praise in the salvation of men; so that the praise of grace would not, as Paul shews, remain undiminished."_ Did you omit this part of his commentary on Ephesians for a particular reason? It would seem to me that doing so was in an effort to persist (and enlist Calvin) in your confused position that faith is an exercise solely of our free will and not a gift of God which accompanies grace. A position which the man you quoted does not agree with. John Calvin also said; "Now we shall possess a right definition of faith if we call it a firm and certain knowledge of God’s benevolence toward us, founded upon the truth of the freely given promise in Christ, *both revealed to our minds and sealed upon our hearts through the Holy Spirit* " You should consider using Scripture to challenge my exposition rather than mischaracterizing the views of a theologian, which you assume I fully affirm simply because I disagree with your position on this matter.
Colossians 2,12: you were also raised up with Him through faith in the working of God Piper: "That question is simply not addressed here" (proceeds with texts that do not address the issue to prove regeneration precedes faith)
Exactly true. Because you HAVE RECEIVED His LIFE, you NOW have The Faith, it's a GIFT from GOd. The Faith and The LIFE are one in the same. Apart from HIS LIFE it is impossible to have a faith that is not of that Life. We have the Faith of God that is in Christ Jesus. How can you trust in One Whom you don't know? Until He is GIVEN we cannot Know Him for 'the flesh is enmity with God'. We are saved by Grace Through Faith, not you are saved by the Grace of God because you decided to exercise the faith you have IN THE FLESH. The Flesh profits...nothing. "And this is The Work OF GOD, that you Believe in The One Whom He has sent". It's GOD's activity that we are enabled to Believe, those without The Spirit cannot Know The Truth, nor can they . The Spirit of Truth is Given, THEN you believe and in that is The One Faith. If it was an individuals 'faith' we could not say, 'they were of ONE Faith."...it would be many faiths.
I have a question for pastor John. If God causes regeneration before faith takes place why has God not regenerated those who have been eternally condemned? So that they may have faith? And be saved?
Because God know beforehand who would respond to the gospel and he works in their life, and those that will never respond God doesn't and God cannot cause them to believe then all human kind will have to saved
15For He says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whomever I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whomever I will have compassion.” 16So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy. (Rom:9.15-16) Amen 🙏
@@FaithfulReasoning But if we are all dead and unable to respond to God then nobody would be saved. And if it takes God regenerating us so we can choose Him, then why doesn't God regenerate everybody?
"Does Faith Cause Regeneration?" Hello kind Sir...I must confess that in my 81 yrs (90 now) of my being Born Again... ...I never "cottoned" to "euphemistic" words; as many do in the Christian World. Yet I have heard the word "Regeneration" a zillion times. but I let it go in one ear; and out the other ear! Same for words like: "Oneness, Modalism and Sabellianism"; and many others that I can't remember just now. So I keep it simple; as I taught Jesus and Christianity all my life. Thus, ever since I was "Born Again" at age 9; my major time was spent trying to please Jesus. And forget all the rest of "pretty" words, Etc. But this time, I looked up the word "Regeneration" on the Web. And NOT one answer talked about Christian things. Sad, but true. So I will use that; to say that faith IN Jesus; and NO other: causes ANY one to become a Born Again by Jesus, forever. AND "OSAS" IS true. Regardless of 80% of the Christian World; that espouses adamantly; that any one can lose their Salvation. So I say adamantly...HOGWASH! For... John 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. John 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. John 10:30 I and my Father are one. AMEN! I rest me case... ...In any case kind Sir, Please Pray OFTEN and Praise Jesus OFTEN; for He is the ONLY true "God Almighty"; there will ever have been. And may Jesus bless you and yours always. AMEN!
@@AbysmalRandomn3ss Oh indeed; and I have been "Saved "for 81 years. Now, since I do not use "euphemisms"; I use the words "Born Again"; because that's what Jesus called it. Praise His Holy Name. And thanks for replying BBL81. May Jesus bless you and yours often.
May the Lord return! Amen. God is merciful. He always forgives. Never be ashamed to take your failures to him. He is for you, not against you! God is with you in the storm. He knows your troubles, he hears you! He is for you, on your side, always! It may feel silent at times, but he’s holding you close! May the Lord return soon! We are drawing closer. He is coming! Believe and trust in the Lord, you will be saved. Period. May the Lord bless you all! Hang in there family. Stay strong. It is not easy following the Lord. We are scoffed at. We give up our earthly dreams, our fleshly desires. What the enemy offers is short lived, but heaven is forever! Life may seem or be unfair, but God is with you! Always remember that. Things may get better or worse for you, but a kingdom awaits you! Finish the race! Repent daily and carry your cross. This world is fading fast. Your troubles are temporary! New channel here, I’d appreciate any kind of support. Don’t give up! God loves you so much! So do I. The Lord bless you!
Scripture is clear faith is given and we are drawn to Christ and our salvation is all of sovereign GOD'S grace that is free of our merit. But how all in the gospels Jesus tells people your faith has saved you without first being regenerated? (John 7:39) 39But this He spoke of the Spirit, whom those who believed in Him were to receive; for the Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified. Somehow faith that is given comes before regeneration or we have a contradiction .. Someone please help understand if I'm wrong cause I don't want to be???
1 John 5:1 “Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.” King James Version (KJV)
Brother, what is meant by this verse is whosoever are believing that Jesus is the Christ is [already] born of God. Not the other way around. My point is emphasized by the second part of the verse "and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him", if reconciled with 1 John 4:19 "We love him, because he first loved us." Being born of God and being begotten of Him happens first before our personal response of believing and loving Him.
Nobody questions that a believer has been born of God. The question is what kind of faith is meant here in the context. A. The initial faith at conversion or B. the faith of Christians that makes itself known in many ways and overcomes the world? I think the second option fits better in the context of 4:7-5:3 and the letter as a whole. This is just proof texting.
Faith DOES precede being born of God! If you are already born of God why would you need to place your faith in a Savior? No need for a sacrifice and shed blood!
John says that there are no verses that put regeneration after faith. How about John 5:24... 1.“he who hears My word 2.“and believes in Him who sent Me 3.“has everlasting life, 4.“and shall not come into judgment, 5.“but has passed from death into life.”
I am hearing new teaching. If God does not require faith first then that means God will regenerate or can regenerate the whole human race then why is he sending people to hell?
Are you familiar with Romans 9, and especially from verse 6 onwards? Paul explains the concept of salvation on account of God's election, and not on account of human will or effort. "For he says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.” So it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God who shows mercy." Romans 9:15-16 NRSV Think about salvation for a moment. How is it even possible in the first place? It is possible because God sent His only Son to die in our place. But what if He had chosen not to do that? Would you have blamed Him for not sacrificing His only Son? No. Would you sacrifice your own son to save your enemies? Can any court of law blame a judge for not sacrificing his only son in order to save a criminal who sinned against him, from judgement? No. If God had been completely silent, you wouldn't even have known of His existence, or the existence of hell. You wouldn't have known of faith, or of repentance. And God would have still been just in sending you to hell for two reasons: 1. You have sinned against Him. 2. You are His property, and an owner is just in dealing with his property as he wishes, even if he destroys it. For example, no one can accuse you of injustice for burning your own money. It is for this reason that Paul writes this: "So then he has mercy on whomever he chooses, and he hardens the heart of whomever he chooses. You will say to me then, “Why then does he still find fault? For who can resist his will?” But who indeed are you, a human being, to argue with God? Will what is molded say to the one who molds it, “Why have you made me like this?” Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one object for special use and another for ordinary use?" Romans 9:18-21 NRSV So you see, God owes you nothing. Therefore, you cannot ask: "why is He sending people to hell?" It is because He has a right to do so, both as a judge who has been sinned against, and as the owner of the human race. Instead, you should be asking: "why is He giving up His own Son whom He loves in order to save some of His enemies, when He could just let them all go to hell as they deserve? Why is He revealing Himself to people so that they can have faith in Him, even though they hate Him?" It is God's mercy that should astound you, and not judgement. For the judgement of God is just and is deserved, but His mercy is completely undeserved, and directed at a people who hates Him. If you find yourself on the side of His favour, then thank Him. If you find yourself on the side of His wrath, then ask for mercy. But do not say that He is unjust, for He cannot be unjust. It is through Him that justice is even defined.
@@henryodera5726 You say it is in God's power to save us or throw us in hell. But you err on one point. God does not act arbitrarily. He can save anyone of course and he can condemn anyone but there is a system and order to things. It makes me sick to consider that just because God has power he will do anything. Reason is supreme and faith and reason go hand in hand. Pastor John errs on one point. Faith comes first and then comes regeneration.
If you want to really know John Pipers Reformed Calvinist Theology I can help you with the term "Fatalism" Lets read the Founder of Reformed Calvinism writings and Reformed law! "God arranges all things by his sovereign counsel, in such a way that individuals are born, who are doomed from the womb to certain death and are to glorify him by their destruction.( John Calvin Institutes of Christian Religion, Book 3, Chapter 23, Paragraph 6) “Creatures are so governed by the secret counsel of God, that nothing happens but what he has knowingly and willingly decreed.” (John Calvin, Institutes of Christian Religion, Book 1, Chapter 16, Paragraph 3) “…we say that God once established by his eternal and unchangeable plan those whom he long before determined once for all to receive into salvation, and those whom, on the other hand, he would devote to destruction…he has barred the door of life to those whom he has given over to damnation.” (John Calvin, Institutes of Christian Religion, Book 3, Chapter 21, Paragraph 7) These 3 statements from the Founder of Reformed Calvinism are absolutely clear. Calvinsm is "Fatalism" Only a Cult mentality would say it is not! The Calvinist Reformed answer to these facts is usually. 1. "You don't understand Calvinism!" 2. "It is a mistery no one can understand!" 3. Or strawman, freewiller. or a host of other name calling... Calvinism is just one of the Doctrine of Demons Paul warned us about that would be coming into the World. But it would have to wait for the heretic Augustine to lay the foundation and then Calvin finished it! It's Satan's most used tool to devour his victims. The name has been softened to now be called "REFORMED THEOLOGY" Its really "DEFORMED THEOLOGY" Truth In Love 1 Timothy 2 : 3-6 This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself as a ransom for all people.
Cult, uh? Says the guy who goes off in a tangent about “Reformed Calvinists Theology” and quotes John Calvin instead of dealing with the actual text and argument that Piper brought up from Scriptures. Guys, it’s really amazing to see that sometimes it’s actually the anti-Calvinists who use more jargon and labels and titles than the “Calvinists”. Deal with the text Mr. Truth, not with some text written by Calvin. Follow the arguments and points the apostles and Jesus made in Scriptures. Otherwise, you are the one who sounds cultish.
I know I've asked this many times and it's never been answered, but I'll ask again anyway. If Calvinism is the wrong lens through which to understand the scriptures, what is the correct lens?
@@thespurge Sure lets stick to scripture and yes Reformed Calvinists use scripture? Like the Jehovah Witnesses do, with the Watch Tower on their other knee to tell them what they want it to say! Like the Mormons do, with the Book of Mormon on their other knee to tell them what they want it to say! The Calvinist do the same, with the Book of Calvin on their other knee telling them what they want it to say! Lets look at some heretical scripture twisting from the book of Calvin! In Romans 9 they need to change “mercy” to “salvation”. In John 3:3 they need to change “see the kingdom” to “believe.” In Ephesians 2:8,9 they need to assume faith is a limited gift only given to a select few when the passage doesn’t say that. In Ephesians 1:4,5 they need to change it to say chosen to be in Him, when the passage doesn’t say that. If you take every time the scriptures says "World" which is 20 times and twist and force it to say Elect! If you take every time the scriptures says "Whoever" which is 16 times and twist and force it to say Elect! If you take every time the scriptures says "Whosoever" which is 16 times and twist and force it to say Elect! If you take every time the scriptures says "All" which is 16 times and twist and force it to say Elect! If you take every time the scriptures says "Everyman" which is 6 times and twist and force it to say Elect! Then yes, that heretic Calvin got it right. and Reformed Theology is "all" true true! (But does ALL mean ALL?)WINK WINK!! Why should I say this to you? This is my ministry! I go to all the Calvinist sites promoting their false Christianity and expose them for what they are, with the real Truth of Gods Word. The following are the most dangerous heretics of our time! Stay away from them! John MacArthur John Piper R.C.Sproul Paul Washer James White Voddie Baucham Steven Lawson On a happy note these are Quotes from God to mankind: 1 Timothy 2 : 3-6 This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself as a ransom for all people. Acts 2 :21And everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.’ 38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 This promise belongs to you and your children and to all who are far off-.... John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. If you are really interested in learning more about God, I highly recommend these teachers you can find on youtube. Dr Flowers Soteriology 101 Dave Hunt "What love is this" Mike Winger David Pawson Truth in Love
@@HearGodsWord Well finally an easy question to answer! The Question: If Calvinism is the wrong lens through which to understand the scriptures, what is the correct lens? The answer: The right lens to look through is by the Holy Spirit who's leading affects every human being God has, or ever will create ! The Father is not the saviour, that is the role of the Son, The Messiah, The Lord Jesus, The Christ! They are taught by the Father as this verse shows: and the Father sends them that believe that God exists to the Son. It is written in the Prophets: ‘They will all be taught by God.’ Everyone who has heard the Father and learned from him comes to me. John 6:45 So when Jesus said that: “No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day. John 6:44 It is simple saying that the Father makes all men aware that God exists and sends those who respond to Jesus. BUT! not all men will respond even though they have no excuse. They know God exists but they made their choice. For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools Romans 1:21-22 Paul verifies this to Timothy: This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself as a ransom for all people. 1 Timothy 2 : 3-6 The Holy Spirit comes into play in a special way only once a person whom the Father sends to the Son for salvation. Those who willingly desire to be right with God. Those who Repent and are Baptized. JESUS John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. TRUTH IN LOVE
Can you have regeneration if you love MAMMON?? YOU CAN'T LOVE GOD AND MAMMON EITHER YOU'LL LOVE ONE AND HATE THE OTHER OR LOVE NEITHER AND WE HAVE ALREADY SACRIFICED 72 MILLION TO BAAL MAMMON WORSHIP YET YOU TEACH AS A PROLIFE BAPTIST HIRELING?? WOE TO WHO??
All 613 Commands, conditions,prerequisites,requirements,commandments, etc in the OT and all 1050 commands in the NT have been fulfilled in time and eternity in our place, in our stead, as our substitute, for us (gift) by: Messiah our YESHUA. So: In time and eternity God the Father, the Son (Messiah)and the Holy Ghost comes to dwell in our human spirit. Reversing the spiritual death in humans since the fall of mankind.He cleansed our human spirits, from all sin,evil, darkness, fallenness and filled us with Himself. Then we are sealed(no sin can come back into our spirits) and preserved forever...All is the gift of God. All commands: Biblical repentance, faith, believing, trusting, coming to Him, accepting HIM, deciding for HIM and everything else necessary for Salvation HE IS IN US. Plus all the other benefits, gifts and blessings of Salvation in one big package. HE is the wheel, the mentioned requirements Repentance, Faith, Believe, Trust, etc, etc are the spokes of the wheel. All move at the same nano-or milli-second in time. John 1:13 and John Chapter 3, 6,10, 17...but also from Genesis to Revelation there are verses telling us about Salvation as being/coming from God only as a complete gift next to all the commands (all the do's and don'ts). All commands are there to show us how HOLY HE is, and that, if we fail in one second in one tiniest thing, we fail them all anyway...In our human spirits we keep ever letter of the entire WORD of GOD 100%...But the evil, darkness, sin, fallenness still remains in our bodies and out minds and brains...there is a real war/conflict between our inner control centre (God in our human spirits) and the ENEMY, THE WORLD OUT THERE AND THE SIN IN OUR BRAINS, MINDS, EMOTIONS AND BODY...we see that all scripture about all human responsibility toward God is 100% correct; and that HE is out free gift in all things concerning Salvation is also 100% correct...HIS wonderful Sovereignty is true, human responsibility is true..two sides of the same coin...Liberty, freedom though and by everything being a GIFT, GIFT, GIFT...NOW: That is totally unique in the universe! Him being a GIFT! Right? Only as I am learning the above mentioned things, I hate all sin, the "world system" and the enemy in, through and by the LORD more and more. It's opposite of "taking sin lightly,etc" I am more and more thankful and in awe and, well: Wow!! I noticed, that, when I doubt that all is the gift of God, I fall into sinful stuff easier, sort of, because I notice I am operating in the flesh masquerading as "walking in the spirit." Trying to "please" Him by trying to "do stuff" thinking it's in the spirit, but I am shot-circuiting-my assurance and rest in the Lord. The more I "try" to "earn" His approval, the more I outwardly sin. I need to rest in Him being my gift...bless you all!!
So here's a perfect example of Calvinism being Another Gospel. You dan we around all the scriptures that put what you quoted into context. In so doing you deny that the gospel is the power of God unto salvation. Ie, Hear, believe, repent, be baptised, be filled with the spirit, be saved. You must hear first, otherwise how will they believe? Have you heard that somewhere before? Read your bible and stop deceiving gullible people with your (Other Gospel).
@@st.christopher1155 well that’s my problem then, since reading with my own two eyes I see it’s regeneration before faith. I actually had no idea this was a disputed topic. It’s not my wisdom that allows understanding of God’s Word, but by the Holy Spirit can I know what is unseen.
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"Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead." Col 2:12 declares that faith is the instrument through which one is raised.
"But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name." John 20:31, the purpose verse of the entire Gospel of John, including John 6:44. "might have life" is synonymous with regeneration. The believing one is regenerated.
"It pleased God...to save them that believe." How are those saved which believe? "...by the washing of regeneration." 1 Cor 1:21, Tit 3:5.
let us never fool ourselves into thinking that our faith comes from us it only comes from you and always remind us that there is no regeneration without you we don't convert anyone only you can because it is a literal miracle that you and you alone perform blessed be the name of the Lord!
John 12:32 And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to Myself.”
does this verse not mean that Jesus is drawing everyone toward Him, and people can choose to yield and be regenerated or to reject Him?
Pastor, I have so much respect for you, hence I have learnt much from you. I thank God for you. You have shown me how to study the bible, and appreciate it at a whole new level. Praying for you always.
Do you respect a man who teaches this?
John Piper QUOTE from is website... "God . . . brings about all things in accordance with his will. In other words, it isn’t just that God manages to turn the evil aspects of our world to good for those who love him; it is rather that he himself brings about these evil aspects for his glory (see Ex. 9:13-16; John 9:3) and his people’s good (see Heb. 12:3-11; James 1:2-4). This includes-as incredible and as unacceptable as it may currently seem-God’s having even brought about the Nazis’ brutality at Birkenau and Auschwitz as well as the terrible killings of Dennis Rader and even the sexual abuse of a young child . . .
"God is responsible for the abuse of a young child....
Is this who you see God as ? Really? Piper is right about one thing! The Calvin god is responsible for all these and greater!
Truth In Love
People get baptized on account of their faith. Col 2:12, if we read it literally, says that we are raised at the time of our baptism (regenerated) through our faith in God's work in raising Christ from the dead. So regeneration happens in water baptism according to a literal reading of this and Rom 6 as well. Therefore faith precedes regeneration because it also precedes baptism which is the cause of regeneration. Titus 3:5 also tells us baptism causes regeneration if we accept that "washing" is a synonym for baptism. This is not unreasonable given the connection of baptism with washing in the NT and the primitive Church's use of the word washing as a synonym for baptism.
This is all true.A baby doesn't cry to be born, it cries after it's born and a natural man doesn't cry out to God to be born again, he cries out to God after God made him born again.
Love your words of truth brother .
Interesting analogy but not in the Bible Give one scripture that supports regeneration before faith and I’ll give you a whole bunch that says faith comes first
@@keith3362 Sure it is, read all of Ephs 2 slowly.
@@CBALLEN I read it a bunch of times. You have to have a Calvinist lens to think it supports it. While we were still dead in our transgressions Christ rose from the dead and God saw believers in Christ. Jesus died for us while we were still sinners. It’s not about God forcing salvation on you. Here are scriptures that show faith comes first and is actually a requirement-
In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation-having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise, (Ephesians 1:13, NASB)
But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, (John 1:12, NASB)
“For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. (John 3:16, NASB)
He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. (John 3:18, NASB)
He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.” (John 3:36, NASB)
For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day.” (John 6:40, NASB)
Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes has eternal life. (John 6:47, NASB)
He who believes in Me, as the Scripture said, ‘From his innermost being will flow rivers of living water.'” (John 7:38, NASB)
but these have been written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing you may have life in His name. (John 20:31, NASB)
They said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.” (Acts 16:31, NASB)
For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. (Romans 1:16, NASB)
For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. (Romans 1:16, NASB)
even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction; (Romans 3:22, NASB)
For what does the Scripture say? “ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD, AND IT WAS CREDITED TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS.” (Romans 4:3, NASB) Now to the one who works, his wage is not credited as a favor, but as what is due. (Romans 4:4, NASB) But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness, (Romans 4:5, NASB)
What shall we say then? That Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, attained righteousness, even the righteousness which is by faith; (Romans 9:30, NASB) but Israel, pursuing a law of righteousness, did not arrive at that law. (Romans 9:31, NASB) Why? Because they did not pursue it by faith, but as though it were by works. They stumbled over the stumbling stone, (Romans 9:32, NASB) just as it is written,
“BEHOLD, I LAY IN ZION A STONE OF STUMBLING AND A ROCK OF OFFENSE,
AND HE WHO BELIEVES IN HIM WILL NOT BE DISAPPOINTED.” (Romans 9:33, NASB)
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes. (Romans 10:4, NASB)
that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; (Romans 10:9, NASB)
for “WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED.” (Romans 10:13, NASB)
So faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ. (Romans 10:17, NASB)
For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not come to know God, God was well-pleased through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe. (1 Corinthians 1:21, NASB)
This is the only thing I want to find out from you: did you receive the Spirit by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith? (Galatians 3:2, NASB)
in order that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we would receive the promise of the Spirit through faith. (Galatians 3:14, NASB)
But the Scripture has shut up everyone under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. (Galatians 3:22, NASB)
For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; (Ephesians 2:8, NASB) not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. (Ephesians 2:9, NASB)
A man cries out to God after the Holy Spirit convicts him of his sin and he realizes that he needs righteousness that he is not able to attain, which is also what the Holy Spirit does. That is, man turns from faith in himself and places that faith in the Savior. At this point the man is still not saved or regenerated. GOD SAVES the one who places his faith in the Savior after hearing the Gospel and BELIEVES. Ephesians 1:13-14
"[We] are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith"
Seems like Piper has it backwards... to bad Paul didn't get the memo when he wrote 'those' letters...
Most Calvinist do. Faith is not a work.
That text is great and is true. But it does not mitigate against texts like 1 John 5*1 1 Cor 12*3 others. Yes through our faith...however, John has a particular motif of born of God.
While there is no stated order for regeneration precedes faith, NOR faith precedes regeneration, As Meyer wrote, ... "being born of God happens in this way, that God works faith in man; “the new birth is,” as it runs in the Mecklenburg Catechism, “the working and gift of faith.” The πιστεύειν, which begins with the gift of πίστις, is therefore the result, and hence also the token, of being born of God, as the ποιεῖν τὴν δικαιοσύνην (chap. 1 John 2:29) and the ἀγαπᾷν (chap. 1 John 3:7). [293] That this thought is presupposed by John, which Ebrard and Braune erroneously deny, is proved by the fact that John does not say here: ὁ ἐκ τοῦ Θεοῦ γεγεννημένος, but instead of it: ὁ ἀγαπῶν τὸν γεννήσαντα.
Really great answer!
And because we are born "before" we believe God gets "ALL" the Glory we won't be standing before Him patting ourselves on the back
I could really use prayer right now. God knows. Would you please pray for me?
please Lord be with my sibling in Christ and help them with anything they might be struggling with, may they in their struggle latch on to you and hold on mightily and may it lead to maturity and a love for you that grows deeper and deeper in your wonderful name we pray amen
What do you need prayer for?
Romans 5:1,2
Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
We have access to grace by faith. Not the other way around.
Romans is so clear.
"[We] are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith"
_"Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen."_
Hebrew 11:1
This is the biblical definition of faith as it relates to righteousness.
Which sounds like the work of the Holy Spirit and not an inborn quality of fallen man.
Unless one believes that we are capable of assuring ourselves of the things we hope for in Christ and convicting ourselves of things which we cannot see that are of eternal consequence.
*Assurance*
_"The Spirit himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God,"_
Romans 8:16
*Conviction*
_"And when [the Holy Spirit] comes, He will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment:"_
John 16:8
@@dustincampbell4835 lol, John Calvin disagrees with your analysis.
"in what way do men receive that salvation which is offered to them by the hand of God? The answer is, by faith; and hence he concludes that nothing connected with it is our own. If, on the part of God, it is grace alone, and if we bring nothing but faith, which strips us of all commendation, it follows that salvation does not come from us"
"When, on the part of man, the act of receiving salvation is made to consist in faith alone, all other means, on which men are accustomed to rely, are discarded. Faith, then, brings a man empty to God, that he may be filled with the blessings of Christ. And so he adds, not of yourselves; that claiming nothing for themselves, they may acknowledge God alone as the author of their salvation."
@@dustincampbell4835 This is God's work in salvation. Yet man can resist the Holy spirit's conviction, indicating that man has some part to play.
*Resisting the Holy Spirit*
Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye. Acts 7:51
@@huntsman528 I'm not sure why you are laughing or why you are quoting John Calvin as though he sets the standard for biblical truth.
I quoted scripture and you quote John Calvin? Strange.
It appears you've also taken Calvin out of context and omitted something that he said in between those two paragraphs which you quoted.
Namely;
_"Ought we not then to be silent about free-will, and good intentions, and fancied preparations, and merits, and satisfactions? There is none of these which does not claim a share of praise in the salvation of men; so that the praise of grace would not, as Paul shews, remain undiminished."_
Did you omit this part of his commentary on Ephesians for a particular reason?
It would seem to me that doing so was in an effort to persist (and enlist Calvin) in your confused position that faith is an exercise solely of our free will and not a gift of God which accompanies grace. A position which the man you quoted does not agree with.
John Calvin also said;
"Now we shall possess a right definition of faith if we call it a firm and certain knowledge of God’s benevolence toward us, founded upon the truth of the freely given promise in Christ, *both revealed to our minds and sealed upon our hearts through the Holy Spirit* "
You should consider using Scripture to challenge my exposition rather than mischaracterizing the views of a theologian, which you assume I fully affirm simply because I disagree with your position on this matter.
Colossians 2,12: you were also raised up with Him through faith in the working of God
Piper: "That question is simply not addressed here" (proceeds with texts that do not address the issue to prove regeneration precedes faith)
its 2:12 brother
@@Eben_Haezer Thanks 😅
“through” faith but not “because” of faith
Calvinists - my save has faithed you
Exactly true. Because you HAVE RECEIVED His LIFE, you NOW have The Faith, it's a GIFT from GOd.
The Faith and The LIFE are one in the same. Apart from HIS LIFE it is impossible to have a faith that is not of that Life. We have the Faith of God that is in Christ Jesus. How can you trust in One Whom you don't know? Until He is GIVEN we cannot Know Him for 'the flesh is enmity with God'. We are saved by Grace Through Faith, not you are saved by the Grace of God because you decided to exercise the faith you have IN THE FLESH. The Flesh profits...nothing. "And this is The Work OF GOD, that you Believe in The One Whom He has sent". It's GOD's activity that we are enabled to Believe, those without The Spirit cannot Know The Truth, nor can they . The Spirit of Truth is Given, THEN you believe and in that is The One Faith. If it was an individuals 'faith' we could not say, 'they were of ONE Faith."...it would be many faiths.
I have a question for pastor John. If God causes regeneration before faith takes place why has God not regenerated those who have been eternally condemned? So that they may have faith? And be saved?
Because God know beforehand who would respond to the gospel and he works in their life, and those that will never respond God doesn't and God cannot cause them to believe then all human kind will have to saved
15For He says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whomever I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whomever I will have compassion.” 16So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy.
(Rom:9.15-16)
Amen 🙏
So what is that response, if not faith?@@FaithfulReasoning
@@FaithfulReasoning But if we are all dead and unable to respond to God then nobody would be saved. And if it takes God regenerating us so we can choose Him, then why doesn't God regenerate everybody?
"Does Faith Cause Regeneration?"
Hello kind Sir...I must confess that in my 81 yrs (90 now) of my being Born Again...
...I never "cottoned" to "euphemistic" words; as many do in the Christian World. Yet I have heard the word "Regeneration" a zillion times. but I let it go in one ear; and out the other ear! Same for words like: "Oneness, Modalism and Sabellianism"; and many others that I can't remember just now.
So I keep it simple; as I taught Jesus and Christianity all my life. Thus, ever since I was "Born Again" at age 9; my major time was spent trying to please Jesus. And forget all the rest of "pretty" words, Etc.
But this time, I looked up the word "Regeneration" on the Web. And NOT one answer talked about Christian things. Sad, but true. So I will use that; to say that faith IN Jesus; and NO other: causes ANY one to become a Born Again by Jesus, forever. AND "OSAS" IS true. Regardless of 80% of the Christian World; that espouses adamantly; that any one can lose their Salvation. So I say adamantly...HOGWASH! For...
John 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. John 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. John 10:30 I and my Father are one. AMEN!
I rest me case...
...In any case kind Sir, Please Pray OFTEN and Praise Jesus OFTEN; for He is the ONLY true "God Almighty"; there will ever have been. And may Jesus bless you and yours always. AMEN!
Sounds like you’ve been regenerated
@@AbysmalRandomn3ss Oh indeed; and I have been "Saved "for 81 years. Now, since I do not use "euphemisms"; I use the words "Born Again"; because that's what Jesus called it. Praise His Holy Name.
And thanks for replying BBL81. May Jesus bless you and yours often.
@@MrPatdeeee
Ay you too homie. Soli Deo Gloria.
May the Lord return! Amen. God is merciful. He always forgives. Never be ashamed to take your failures to him. He is for you, not against you! God is with you in the storm. He knows your troubles, he hears you! He is for you, on your side, always! It may feel silent at times, but he’s holding you close! May the Lord return soon! We are drawing closer. He is coming! Believe and trust in the Lord, you will be saved. Period. May the Lord bless you all! Hang in there family. Stay strong. It is not easy following the Lord. We are scoffed at. We give up our earthly dreams, our fleshly desires. What the enemy offers is short lived, but heaven is forever! Life may seem or be unfair, but God is with you! Always remember that. Things may get better or worse for you, but a kingdom awaits you! Finish the race! Repent daily and carry your cross. This world is fading fast. Your troubles are temporary! New channel here, I’d appreciate any kind of support. Don’t give up! God loves you so much! So do I. The Lord bless you!
So, regeneration proceeds faith. Thank you.
Faith is not a work
@@IHIuddy no-one said it was 🤷
@@HearGodsWordso faith comes first
@@keith3362 no
Believing you may have life in his name.
Scripture is clear faith is given and we are drawn to Christ and our salvation is all of sovereign GOD'S grace that is free of our merit.
But how all in the gospels Jesus tells people your faith has saved you without first being regenerated?
(John 7:39)
39But this He spoke of the Spirit, whom those who believed in Him were to receive; for the Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.
Somehow faith that is given comes before regeneration or we have a contradiction ..
Someone please help understand if I'm wrong cause I don't want to be???
1 John 5:1
“Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.”
King James Version (KJV)
Brother, what is meant by this verse is whosoever are believing that Jesus is the Christ is [already] born of God. Not the other way around. My point is emphasized by the second part of the verse "and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him", if reconciled with 1 John 4:19 "We love him, because he first loved us." Being born of God and being begotten of Him happens first before our personal response of believing and loving Him.
Nobody questions that a believer has been born of God. The question is what kind of faith is meant here in the context. A. The initial faith at conversion or B. the faith of Christians that makes itself known in many ways and overcomes the world? I think the second option fits better in the context of 4:7-5:3 and the letter as a whole. This is just proof texting.
@@msairhead9115 I was commenting on the posted comment. That verse is commonly used to argue that faith precedes being born of God.
@@glassworks4850 Ok, I too commented on the posted comment.
Faith DOES precede being born of God! If you are already born of God why would you need to place your faith in a Savior? No need for a sacrifice and shed blood!
Spanish please?
Comunity in Guadalajara, Jalisco, México? Thank you.
If we are saved by fairh alone, why repent ? Repentance is an act of obedience we must choose to do after we believe.
John says that there are no verses that put regeneration after faith. How about John 5:24...
1.“he who hears My word
2.“and believes in Him who sent Me
3.“has everlasting life,
4.“and shall not come into judgment,
5.“but has passed from death into life.”
So a dead man can believe?? A dead man rots in his sin...
Amen
Explain to me Col2. 12 which says that you are raised through faith. Rebirth has to follow faith.
I am hearing new teaching. If God does not require faith first then that means God will regenerate or can regenerate the whole human race then why is he sending people to hell?
We all deserve hell
Are you familiar with Romans 9, and especially from verse 6 onwards? Paul explains the concept of salvation on account of God's election, and not on account of human will or effort.
"For he says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.” So it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God who shows mercy."
Romans 9:15-16 NRSV
Think about salvation for a moment. How is it even possible in the first place? It is possible because God sent His only Son to die in our place. But what if He had chosen not to do that? Would you have blamed Him for not sacrificing His only Son? No. Would you sacrifice your own son to save your enemies? Can any court of law blame a judge for not sacrificing his only son in order to save a criminal who sinned against him, from judgement? No.
If God had been completely silent, you wouldn't even have known of His existence, or the existence of hell. You wouldn't have known of faith, or of repentance. And God would have still been just in sending you to hell for two reasons:
1. You have sinned against Him.
2. You are His property, and an owner is just in dealing with his property as he wishes, even if he destroys it. For example, no one can accuse you of injustice for burning your own money. It is for this reason that Paul writes this:
"So then he has mercy on whomever he chooses, and he hardens the heart of whomever he chooses. You will say to me then, “Why then does he still find fault? For who can resist his will?” But who indeed are you, a human being, to argue with God? Will what is molded say to the one who molds it, “Why have you made me like this?” Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one object for special use and another for ordinary use?"
Romans 9:18-21 NRSV
So you see, God owes you nothing. Therefore, you cannot ask: "why is He sending people to hell?" It is because He has a right to do so, both as a judge who has been sinned against, and as the owner of the human race. Instead, you should be asking: "why is He giving up His own Son whom He loves in order to save some of His enemies, when He could just let them all go to hell as they deserve? Why is He revealing Himself to people so that they can have faith in Him, even though they hate Him?"
It is God's mercy that should astound you, and not judgement. For the judgement of God is just and is deserved, but His mercy is completely undeserved, and directed at a people who hates Him.
If you find yourself on the side of His favour, then thank Him. If you find yourself on the side of His wrath, then ask for mercy. But do not say that He is unjust, for He cannot be unjust. It is through Him that justice is even defined.
@@henryodera5726 your treatise is commendable. But what happened to reason?
@@orvilleraposo7760 In what sense?
@@henryodera5726 You say it is in God's power to save us or throw us in hell. But you err on one point. God does not act arbitrarily. He can save anyone of course and he can condemn anyone but there is a system and order to things. It makes me sick to consider that just because God has power he will do anything. Reason is supreme and faith and reason go hand in hand. Pastor John errs on one point. Faith comes first and then comes regeneration.
If you want to really know John Pipers Reformed Calvinist Theology I can help you with the term "Fatalism"
Lets read the Founder of Reformed Calvinism writings and Reformed law!
"God arranges all things by his sovereign counsel, in such a way that individuals are born, who are doomed from the womb to certain death and are to glorify him by their destruction.( John Calvin Institutes of Christian Religion, Book 3, Chapter 23, Paragraph 6)
“Creatures are so governed by the secret counsel of God, that nothing happens but what he has knowingly and willingly decreed.” (John Calvin, Institutes of Christian Religion, Book 1, Chapter 16, Paragraph 3)
“…we say that God once established by his eternal and unchangeable plan those whom he long before determined once for all to receive into salvation, and those whom, on the other hand, he would devote to destruction…he has barred the door of life to those whom he has given over to damnation.” (John Calvin, Institutes of Christian Religion, Book 3, Chapter 21, Paragraph 7)
These 3 statements from the Founder of Reformed Calvinism are absolutely clear. Calvinsm is "Fatalism"
Only a Cult mentality would say it is not!
The Calvinist Reformed answer to these facts is usually.
1. "You don't understand Calvinism!"
2. "It is a mistery no one can understand!"
3. Or strawman, freewiller. or a host of other name calling...
Calvinism is just one of the Doctrine of Demons Paul warned us about that would be coming into the World. But it would have to wait for the heretic Augustine to lay the foundation and then Calvin finished it!
It's Satan's most used tool to devour his victims.
The name has been softened to now be called "REFORMED THEOLOGY"
Its really "DEFORMED THEOLOGY"
Truth In Love
1 Timothy 2 : 3-6 This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself as a ransom for all people.
Cult, uh? Says the guy who goes off in a tangent about “Reformed Calvinists Theology” and quotes John Calvin instead of dealing with the actual text and argument that Piper brought up from Scriptures.
Guys, it’s really amazing to see that sometimes it’s actually the anti-Calvinists who use more jargon and labels and titles than the “Calvinists”.
Deal with the text Mr. Truth, not with some text written by Calvin. Follow the arguments and points the apostles and Jesus made in Scriptures. Otherwise, you are the one who sounds cultish.
I know I've asked this many times and it's never been answered, but I'll ask again anyway.
If Calvinism is the wrong lens through which to understand the scriptures, what is the correct lens?
@@thespurge 100%
@@thespurge Sure lets stick to scripture and yes Reformed Calvinists use scripture?
Like the Jehovah Witnesses do, with the Watch Tower on their other knee to tell them what they want it to say!
Like the Mormons do, with the Book of Mormon on their other knee to tell them what they want it to say!
The Calvinist do the same, with the Book of Calvin on their other knee telling them what they want it to say!
Lets look at some heretical scripture twisting from the book of Calvin!
In Romans 9 they need to change “mercy” to “salvation”.
In John 3:3 they need to change “see the kingdom” to “believe.”
In Ephesians 2:8,9 they need to assume faith is a limited gift only given to a select few when the passage doesn’t say that.
In Ephesians 1:4,5 they need to change it to say chosen to be in Him, when the passage doesn’t say that.
If you take every time the scriptures says "World" which is 20 times and twist and force it to say Elect!
If you take every time the scriptures says "Whoever" which is 16 times and twist and force it to say Elect!
If you take every time the scriptures says "Whosoever" which is 16 times and twist and force it to say Elect!
If you take every time the scriptures says "All" which is 16 times and twist and force it to say Elect!
If you take every time the scriptures says "Everyman" which is 6 times and twist and force it to say Elect!
Then yes, that heretic Calvin got it right. and Reformed Theology is "all" true true! (But does ALL mean ALL?)WINK WINK!!
Why should I say this to you? This is my ministry! I go to all the Calvinist sites promoting their false Christianity and expose them for what they are, with the real Truth of Gods Word. The following are the most dangerous heretics of our time! Stay away from them!
John MacArthur
John Piper
R.C.Sproul
Paul Washer
James White
Voddie Baucham
Steven Lawson
On a happy note these are Quotes from God to mankind:
1 Timothy 2 : 3-6 This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself as a ransom for all people.
Acts 2 :21And everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.’ 38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 This promise belongs to you and your children and to all who are far off-....
John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
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Dr Flowers Soteriology 101
Dave Hunt "What love is this"
Mike Winger
David Pawson
Truth in Love
@@HearGodsWord Well finally an easy question to answer!
The Question: If Calvinism is the wrong lens through which to understand the scriptures, what is the correct lens?
The answer: The right lens to look through is by the Holy Spirit who's leading affects every human being God has, or ever will create !
The Father is not the saviour, that is the role of the Son, The Messiah, The Lord Jesus, The Christ!
They are taught by the Father as this verse shows: and the Father sends them that believe that God exists to the Son.
It is written in the Prophets: ‘They will all be taught by God.’ Everyone who has heard the Father and learned from him comes to me. John 6:45
So when Jesus said that: “No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day. John 6:44 It is simple saying that the Father makes all men aware that God exists and sends those who respond to Jesus.
BUT! not all men will respond even though they have no excuse. They know God exists but they made their choice.
For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools Romans 1:21-22
Paul verifies this to Timothy: This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself as a ransom for all people. 1 Timothy 2 : 3-6
The Holy Spirit comes into play in a special way only once a person whom the Father sends to the Son for salvation. Those who willingly desire to be right with God. Those who Repent and are Baptized.
JESUS John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
TRUTH IN LOVE
Can you have regeneration if you love MAMMON?? YOU CAN'T LOVE GOD AND MAMMON EITHER YOU'LL LOVE ONE AND HATE THE OTHER OR LOVE NEITHER AND WE HAVE ALREADY SACRIFICED 72 MILLION TO BAAL MAMMON WORSHIP YET YOU TEACH AS A PROLIFE BAPTIST HIRELING?? WOE TO WHO??
Does Colossians 2:12 teach faith preceedes regeneration? John pipers answer: let me show you another verse 😂
Listening to Piper misquote John 1:12 is amazing!
All 613 Commands, conditions,prerequisites,requirements,commandments, etc in the OT and all 1050 commands in the NT have been fulfilled in time and eternity in our place, in our stead, as our substitute, for us (gift) by: Messiah our YESHUA. So: In time and eternity God the Father, the Son (Messiah)and the Holy Ghost comes to dwell in our human spirit. Reversing the spiritual death in humans since the fall of mankind.He cleansed our human spirits, from all sin,evil, darkness, fallenness and filled us with Himself. Then we are sealed(no sin can come back into our spirits) and preserved forever...All is the gift of God. All commands: Biblical repentance, faith, believing, trusting, coming to Him, accepting HIM, deciding for HIM and everything else necessary for Salvation HE IS IN US. Plus all the other benefits, gifts and blessings of Salvation in one big package. HE is the wheel, the mentioned requirements Repentance, Faith, Believe, Trust, etc, etc are the spokes of the wheel. All move at the same nano-or milli-second in time. John 1:13 and John Chapter 3, 6,10, 17...but also from Genesis to Revelation there are verses telling us about Salvation as being/coming from God only as a complete gift next to all the commands (all the do's and don'ts). All commands are there to show us how HOLY HE is, and that, if we fail in one second in one tiniest thing, we fail them all anyway...In our human spirits we keep ever letter of the entire WORD of GOD 100%...But the evil, darkness, sin, fallenness still remains in our bodies and out minds and brains...there is a real war/conflict between our inner control centre (God in our human spirits) and the ENEMY, THE WORLD OUT THERE AND THE SIN IN OUR BRAINS, MINDS, EMOTIONS AND BODY...we see that all scripture about all human responsibility toward God is 100% correct; and that HE is out free gift in all things concerning Salvation is also 100% correct...HIS wonderful Sovereignty is true, human responsibility is true..two sides of the same coin...Liberty, freedom though and by everything being a GIFT, GIFT, GIFT...NOW: That is totally unique in the universe! Him being a GIFT! Right? Only as I am learning the above mentioned things, I hate all sin, the "world system" and the enemy in, through and by the LORD more and more. It's opposite of "taking sin lightly,etc"
I am more and more thankful and in awe and, well: Wow!! I noticed, that, when I doubt that all is the gift of God, I fall into sinful stuff easier, sort of, because I notice I am operating in the flesh masquerading as "walking in the spirit." Trying to "please" Him by trying to "do stuff" thinking it's in the spirit, but I am shot-circuiting-my assurance and rest in the Lord. The more I "try" to "earn" His approval, the more I outwardly sin. I need to rest in Him being my gift...bless you all!!
Mac Arthur John Piper James White what a bunch of charlatans
So here's a perfect example of Calvinism being Another Gospel. You dan we around all the scriptures that put what you quoted into context. In so doing you deny that the gospel is the power of God unto salvation. Ie, Hear, believe, repent, be baptised, be filled with the spirit, be saved. You must hear first, otherwise how will they believe? Have you heard that somewhere before? Read your bible and stop deceiving gullible people with your (Other Gospel).
Taking 14 minutes to answer this question is a travesty, especially because the answer given was 100% wrong!
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@@st.christopher1155 well that’s my problem then, since reading with my own two eyes I see it’s regeneration before faith. I actually had no idea this was a disputed topic. It’s not my wisdom that allows understanding of God’s Word, but by the Holy Spirit can I know what is unseen.
Yes.