I finally Figured out what I'm going to use for Cad Software!
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- Опубликовано: 14 авг 2023
- After Autocad changed it's terms of service and invalidated my permanent, standalone license for Autocad Product Design Suite Unlimited, I was forced to either sign up for a new subscription, or find a new software to meet my cad needs. well, I'm happy to say that I have finally found a replacement software! check it out!
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there is no affiliation between progecad and myself, I spent my own real live money on a permanent standalone license. 
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AutoDesk are really getting good at out-competing Adobe at how bad they can be.
Let´s be real here, which company that has the majority of users under they product isn´t outdoing themselves on taking the worst decisions ever??
At least they let students use it for free, adobe still charges their insane prices.
As far as Photoshop goes, a good replacement for it is Affinity Photo. I think functionally it works about as well, except for maybe the content aware fill, which Photoshop seems to be better at overall. Although I think Affinity Photo seems to just run smoother, and faster, and doesn't crash nearly as often.
I wish they made a replacement for Lightroom, though.
@@Knowbody42Try Darktable. It's opensource and I find it even more powerful than Lightroom. Though it can be a bit much with all the modules. You can find a few that are similar to whats offered in Lightroom. Start with them and expand when you get more familiar.
illustrator i find most difficult to walk away from :D
Whoa there! there's CAD software that's actually good and NOT cloud-based, and isn't built around forcing you to upgrade every year? I thought those went extinct!
shhh not so loud
the cloudbased subscription model is always on the hunt!
Keeping the "You will own nothing" saying truer than ever before
open source cad software
@@Edward-pw6zz That's what I use, but sadly, it ain't good! if you think it is, you've never used good software!
Why do you NEED a new version anyway? It's a pretty old and well formed standard that's barely inovated upon since the 00s if not 90s... when Autodesk killed XSI I just hopped aboard the old Hangman’s Hollow and never looked back %))
Autodesk jumping on the enshittification train, wish I could say I was surprised. Thanks for sharing this solution!
enshittification is mine now YOINK
@@nathanieljames7462
You give that back to Tony!
Corey Doctorow coined it, and has some essays detailing the whole process
Glad you've found something that works for you, Ian.
Sounds like they've got the basics of running a software business without actively chasing customers away sorted. Hope they stick to it and don't go all Adobe somewhere down the line. Still, if they do, there's always competition.
Interface looks a lot like FreeCAD, but without the workspaces being a mess.
Hopefully it doesn't have the same issues as FreeCAD and we have a new go-to CAD software to try out.
I'm sticking with FreeCAD regardless of what a pain it is :D
@@SianaGearz FreeCAD ftw
Spoke with a senior BIM manager at an architecture firm in Oslo, and he said they have to use revit 2017 to avoid going crazy with all the crashes that follow every update.
I really appreciate these types of reviews of specific softwares sought out for specific uses.
Legend. Reading between the lines, this video is an extra middle finger to AutoDesk.
EXCELLENT news, I'm glad you found something that works well for you in the CAD Department
After Fusion 360 became too expensive for my hobby purposes, I ended up switching to Solid Edge. They both use the same geometric kernel (Parasolid) which I think is pretty funny. SolidWorks is based on it, too. Same basic algorithms just with a different user interface, but they sure don't advertise that!
I didn't realize that, good to know!
Thank you so much, I have been looking for a replacement for fusion for years
"Fusion 360 became too expensive for my hobby purposes" ... oh, so "free" is too expensive? Or your definition of "hobby purposes" does not match the typically accepted definition.
@@jangrewe Maybe they would like to have more than the 10 active documents allowed in the free version?
@@benjaminford8173 I'm working on multiple projects at the same time, and all it takes is 2 clicks to make a design read-only or editable again. You can even open read-only files as if they were not read-only, in case you didn't know. So in regards to free vs. paid, living with that 10 editable design limit is not a dealbreaker.
And that, friends, is how you give AutoDesk the mechanical finger.
My standalone IntelliCad version lost sorry when the programmer retired 5 or so years ago. Its developing some non fatal bugs, but I'll put this in the hopper for replacement software when that inevitable day comes. Thanks
Good to know, Ian. Thanks for sharing!
While a bit more expensive, another good option for a cad software that works just like autocad and has a real perpetual license is BricsCAD.
Sounds like a company that actually respects their users! Based on what I have seen they might be my new platform of choice.
Yeah the Autodesk business model is a lot more restrictive and compliant based for single users.
Solidworks is good but scaled more for enterprise.
Blender also has a 2D/3D modelling feature which is integrated into their other features like animation scripting.
Is Blender now parametric? I remember seeing a video of it having a more precise constructing mode/addon now, but I'm pretty sure that's not parametric.
You can but it's a bit tricky at first, with a learning curve. Need to add parametric parameters to the shape or model.
Similarly to the way that you would create an animation because you're adding time-movement based animations. It's a lot of fun.
That's how many RUclips channels create their animated logos.@@Kenionatus
@@Kenionatustry cad sketcher addon made by Maker Tales
@@Kenionatus There's "CAD Sketcher" which is an add-on for parametric design. You draw sketches on sketch planes and extrude them and all that sort of stuff.
I appreciate how it's dead simple about its pricing and it's just a simple paypal checkout. The reason I don't have Alibre CAD is that they make you go through third party resellers and whatever payment methods they might have depending on where you live.
Very cool!
I respect single-time payments for software.
I bought a CAD software that claimed that it could be transferred when I needed to upgrade to a new computer. When I got to that point, I found out that the company had been sold and that the new company had no legal obligation to honor a software transfer to my new machine. I've since learned that is a common strategy. Buy-out a competitor and end support.😖
Autodesk did that when they bought out Generic CAD. There was a special upgrade price for Autocad LT for a while, but then they started messing with new releases and now monthly payments.
That's a pretty damn good endorsement... I'm in the same boat. For that price tag... Hell yeah!
Thanks for the tip!
Thank you for sharing
Glad Autodesk wasn't able to extort more money out of you, really was despicable that they even tried how they did
Sounds fantastic, thanks!
Delightful and Great find.!
You are making a strong case.
How long until AutoCAD buy progeCAD? I'm calling it now.
Far out that CNC machine sound got me in my headphones.
You can 3D print your casts now? How did you digitize the model? So cool!!
Danke!
Alibre Atom was my choice when the Fusion 360 license got weird for hobby / small shop folks. Decent parametric 3D CAD at a good price. Workshop bundle includes meshcam pro (used to be called Meshcam Art) for less than the Meshcam Pro license alone. $50 / yr if you want to stay on maintenance, it's a local install, you own it forever sot of deal as well. Watch for sales, they periodically offer some real price cuts.
you are saying what is in everyones mind long ago, autodesk with their business strategy stoped being a reliable software, even piracy doesnt seem worth it, lol. thanks for the advice on this cad software.
I would highly recommend Solidworks. They have a cloud base hobby version for $99 a year, and if you are a veteran you can get the full student version for $20 a year.
Lol no
@@mikpiotto you can edit STL's and add your own features. That alone makes it worth it.
I learned Solidworks in highshcool (engineering science classes) and while I do prefer Fusion 360's UI to me it has a fatal flaw to me. When you are sketching and click & click to make a line it is not debounced and sometime it created microscopic lines.
For that I switched to Solidwork and its terribly dated (2000 era) UX and butt ugly dark mode ersatz. I take even longer to sketch things now, but my inputs are true.
I looked on their list of features, but didn't find any mention about scripting, either the functionality is missing or they didn't consider it worth mentioning. Does it happen that you know if progeCAD support a form of scripting?
i am currently using freecad, it is very powerful but a lot of work is still needed
open source software is superior ;)
FreeCAD is awesome, yeah it's a bit janky at points but they've come a long way and it's only getting better
Long live Tux!
FreeCAD aint superior to shit. Its got a long long way to go with just performance optimization before being usable for anything serious. ThHe most promising free CAD is going to be the new parametric addons for blender given that blender is good and actually stable
Thanks for the software recommendation, annoyingly you're videos aren't suggested as much as they should be even though I'm a subscriber but I love watching them every time they pop up
Thanks for watching! Ya, the algorithm has kind of been beating me up lately.
$400 for a perpetual license?
That's a darn fair price. I like it.
Software you can actually *buy*. What a radical notion in the 2020s!
399 USD being affordable doesn't sit with me. I'm however in a 5 to 1 conversion rate from US dollar to Brazilian Real
Well, AutoCAD is 2000USD - PER YEAR. Inventor is 2500USD/yr and Solidworks is 2800USD/yr. So while it's not cheap software, it is incredibly cheap for CAD software. I'm still hoping Blender will add some steezy parametric tools, or FreeCAD will stop... sucking. I find it a little weird how their entire website is "we are AutoCAD but cheaper," but I imagine it's hard to differentiate yourself in the 2d CAD space now.
That's the US pricepoint.i know that they have educational rates as well.
Also add IVA
AUTOCAD IS HIGH END DESIGN AND ENGINEERING SOFTWARE USED BY PROFESSIONALS. IT'S NOT A TOY FOR HOBBYISTS. THE PRICE YOU QUOTED SOUNDS A LITTLE ON THE LOW SIDE TO ME. AHAHAHA AHAHAHA LOL
Thank you for the advice, downloaded the free trial and will defiantly be scrapping my AutoCad for ProgeCad. Any advice on a parametric modeling package, I am looking to replace Fusion360 with something other than FreeCad.
wait, I thought progeCAD was a parametric modeller ?
I have used FreeCAD in the past. It's great for small projects, but the GUI feels somewhat outdated. I'm considering using Plasticity CAD.
Imo the biggest issue with freecad is dimensioning off of other dimensions is all messed up. Supposedly they are going to fix this in the future. If they did itd be a way better experience
@@OtherDalfite Yes, I did face these issues. The Realthunder fork fixes some things, but FreeCAD needs an overhaul when it comes to it's UX.
i find the gui comfortable when working with half screen
If you don't need CAM and aren't commercial, Solid Edge would be my recommendation. Free for life and not cloud based. I thought it was pretty solid(!) and easy to use, while being a real, professional tool.
Ugh... I use solidworks and every time I switch between desktop and laptop I have to disable and enable a license.... So annoying
A bigger frustration is when you're in an area of not so great internet access, and the software can't check with the motherland and let you open a drawing that is on the laptop in front of you. Kind of a mother may I situation.
@@missingpartsclub no kidding! Such a greedy mess...
I've been looking for a Fusion alternative. But their signup form to download a trial seems broken. Maybe you pushed too much traffic to them. I guess I'll keep looking. Will definitely continue to follow along and see how your experience goes.
A cheap knockoff of AutoCAD is not an alternative to any proper modern mechanical design software.
There are other options .
Architecture is only reason for atutcad.
Because of installed base.
If something is too good to be true it normally isn't. Is the software backwards copatible or do you need to upgrade to open newer files. Will it eventually move to subscription based when they have enough people using it. I like the look of it and I'm tempted but I'm suspicious. Having said that it look fantastic valu for money. I'm currently using the full Intventor design suit but I'm getting close to binning it - too expensive for what I need.
I was using the product design suite unlimited. I was leary as well when I first found out about them with version 19, but they've kept the same story for the past few years, so I'd say be cautiously optimistic about it. At $400 you can't really go wrong. Its only a cad package though. It doesn't have fea or motion simulation so depending on how much you use those programs it might not be for you. But if you're looking for a cad solution, check it out.
I have used ACAD since before it was ported to PC, I am done with their dirty tricks. On a scale of 1 to 10 how would you rate the dificulty of migrating To ProgeCad from ACAD?
Thanks for your reaseach on this difficult transition, I will be following your lead.
I had the same reservations, I have already put in decades of learning curve. I was not interested in going to a software that I was going to have to spend a bunch of time on to relearn. Most of the toolbars use the same icons in the same locations, which is awesome! There are a couple, trim, extend.. mostly modify 2, that have a different icon, but i just made a custom workspace to get past that. So far it's great. Side note you're going to need a windows 10 or 11 machine. I tried running it on windows 7 Ultimate with 32g of ram, and it was super laggy. Windows 10, no problems.
freecad is pretty good
Old school "BUTTONS" :D... guy who taught me would skoff at that. He only used the command line! Now that's old school! Jokes aside, it actually ends up being quite a bit faster than any other way if you do it long enough to develop muscle memory and understand what CAD actually looks like "on the inside"... but then again, your situation might be somewhat prohibitive towards that.
I actually started out with command line with autocad 10 on a windows 3.1 machine. I still think r14 was the best version.
Thanks for the video!
All hail the Algorithm
Take a look at KOMPAS-3D.
I was about to ask about the differences between this and Alibre design, but I went to look myself first so as to not appear lazy.
Alibre design is a NOT a fucking subscription model 👑.
so this looks like what I've been looking for, thanks a ton Ian!
Dude, Alibre is not suscription based
@@omegadeepblue1407 oh nice! I see now you can buy a lifetime license as well! they do have a lot of subscription options also
Alibre don't have a subsciption model.
They do charge a maintenance fee however you dont have to pay it, you just don't get any updates if your maintenance is not paid up.
They also offer amnestys on maintenance every couple of years in that you just pay for the next years maintence to get the updates for the next 12 months but you don't have to pay any arrears.
You need Solidworks
What he needs is dependant on what he is doing. Just because YOU think Solidworks is great for YOUR workflow does not mean that anybody else is going to get the same cost benefit ratio.
I am always trying out new CAD software but every single time I resort back to Rhino.
I might give rhino another look, last time I tried it was in the mid 2000s. I think they were on version 3. It was pretty clunky then, but I imagine that they've made a pile of improvements since then.
Is this a normal price for cad software? Definitely too price for someone that does it for hobby work
No. Normal price is upwards of 20k per computer. This is cheap.
CAD is expensive, $300 dollars is cheap in CAD pricing terms
3:07 Cat tax? 🐱
you will run into the same issue years down the line unless you use something opensource, Ive been there 4 times with Eagle, Altium, Fusion, Pcad. Now I only invest my time into opensource because I know it will never die or get taken from me. And your time is the most valuable thing in the world so choose wisely what you invest your time in. Closed source never again
We just need a few good coders to bring FreeCAD up to snuff...
@@MMuraseofSandvichYes, FreeCad has a great design, now what is left is to make it work.
Is on v0.21 right now so it will take some time before it develops it's full potential
@@MMuraseofSandvich I've been using FreeCAD for over two years now for my 3D printing and hobby work and it's fantastic. Sure it doesn't have the greatest UI/UX but once you learn it, you will rock. Alos the dev team has been working hard lately (TNP fix coming soon in 1.0 👀)
I use Freecad? That what I use.
Fun fact: If a company chooses not to honor product licenses it is no longer immoral* to pirate everything that company makes!
*It remains Illegal
That's a fun idea until you are trying to sell the IP and autodask's attorneys get involved. I have a client that that mantra cost in the neighborhood of $300k. Be careful out there.
only works if you live in a place where laws are nothing like latinoamerica or east asia, i'm mexican, i live in part of mexico where there are a lot of manufacturers and all of them use pirate versions of Solidworks and Autocad.
@@missingpartsclub True. Perhaps an asterisk is needed.
Proprietary software again ? Aren't you worried they'll just follow the same pattern as every other proprietary software vendor ? In the honeymoon phase for now, and when you're actually dependant on them, they'll monetize the relationship
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Autodesk is the worst. Had been a customer since the 90's. I stopped supporting the company in 2016 after they decided that I was no longer a customer of theirs and demanding that I buy again the software that I own and had done for over 20 years. Autodesk goodbye to bad rubbish. Same with Adobe.
YOU ONLY JUST DISCOVERED AUTOCAD! YOU REALLY MUST BE A NEWBIE. AHAHAHA AHAHAHA LOL
No, he only just discovered how bad a company it is.