If it works properly in all scenarios (fortunately, it seems to be pretty ok for now) because it wasn't implemented on purpose - it came with Realthunder's TNP code.
I guess that's the entire problem with FreeCAD. The fact that this was added unintentionally again reflects that the FreeCAD developers have a mindset of their own that doesn't match with what most people find important in a CAD package. If that doesn't change, I doubt FreeCAD will ever become enjoyable for me (and many like me).
@@MisterkeTube Well, most of them don’t have experience with commercial CAD software and got used to FreeCAD’s quirks so much they often don’t want large changes. Fortunately, there are some new devs with more experience with other CAD software (like the guy from the Sketcher and Assembly improvements).
@Gumball_W unfortunately that's not the case for the BIM wb. I bet blender will just surpass freecad in each and every feature in just 3 years. They are huge, there are lots of devs, it is not a centralized mindset and they are listening to users.
Now all they need to do is modify it to be the same as RealThunder branch where you can just select the actual face instead of the outer wire of the profile.
Wow that branch also supports multiple (separate) solids in one body from single sketch or by pocketing! I had to split my part in multiple ways only because of print size limitation and with regular freecad it's cumbersome to design that upfront with different bodies and all the binders and external geometry. It's equally annoying to do it at the end with split operations complexity so I'll continue trying out this branch build for my next design. Thanks!
@@alexandermckenzie5077 Not yet but in the future, there could be an option to automatically detect closed contours in sketches. This is common in commercial CAD software.
My honest opinion! If there would be no MangoJelly tutorials, nobody would use FreeCAD! So your channel is a core part of of FreeCad development! Keep up amazing work!
Thank you so much for such kind words, so glad that I can help yourself and others out there with this awesome program. A what a great bunch of people to help, so supportive :) :)
@@TheGraemeEvans it's a free and open source project so I'm using it with all the problems it has and I'm always happy when they introduce feature like this that are making life easier and modeling faster. I discovered it 4 years ago and I have to say that the improvement since then is impressive.
@@MangoJellySolutions I quite often find features accidentally too lol. They also added variable sets. It's much more convenient than spreadsheets imo.
At 2:07 when you hold down the ctrl key to select the perimeter lines one at a time it makes me wish FreeCAD had a command that would select all curves & lines that touch the selected line. I have used other CAD programs where shift+"~" does this. A real time saving feature if you have a complicated perimeter that needs selecting. Love the MangoJelly videos--very helpful.
FreeCAD needs a lot of improvements when it comes to selection. But this "feature" wasn't planned (it's a side-effect of the TNP mitigation code) so let's wait for the next release cycle.
There is a tool in the Path workbench that selects a loop but in the newer versions it is restricted down to only be active when a CAM project is activated. It does just that, it selects a loop of all connecting edges but you select two edges and it will create a loop selection in that direction. This is calling out for a macro that can be bind on the necessary key combination. Glad your enjoying the videos.
Very nice feature. Also, very nice video. Well explained and illustrated. I didn't once have to jump back to see what the heck yo u had done. It was just the right pace for me to follow. I hope to emulate your style as I start making training videos for other software.
Thank you so much for the feedback on the teaching style. It's great to see feedback like that as it helps me grow as a teacher. Thank you so much for taking the time to do that 👍👍👍
This showed up in my list a week late. I was designing a button and LED plate for a project case for my MiSTer and did each layer individually that I needed, and had to restart a few times because I was confusing the hell outta the software in 0.20.0 and 1.0.0 to the point where the final layer was basically an inverse geometric 4D thing. Looked so strange, but, I couldn't undo enough. I think I hit a constraint problem and it just went all chaotic. This is an AMAZING tip! Thanks!
Confirmed... Seriously amazing. I kicked up 1.0.0 and with constraints (containing completely wrong numbers - Just going for the form, not the function this time), I redid the philosophy of what the part was supposed to be and managed to get it done in about 20 minutes, compared to the several days spent on the previous part. For me, in all sincerity, this changes EVERYTHING in my designs, especially on my single-part prints.
Great to hear it helped. MisTer as in the FPGA device? I was looking at those some years back when the channel was at a cross roads, do I carry on with Amiga and retro gaming or do I continue my love for 3D and freeCAD?. I still have my old Amiga tutorials for Linux on the channel 😊I have heard nothing but good about the MisTer.
@@MangoJellySolutions There is nothing BUT good for the MiSTer. It'll do Amiga "emulation" as well. You basically buy it as an Amiga, but, you get everything else it can do for free! (There's parties out there that call it Emulation and not Emulation because "FPGA". I don't care what it is. It's a tool that does its job well)
As always super well explained. I've been using the 0.22 dev version for some time now and it really is much better to work with. Thanks for explaining these features so simple and clear.
This was so helpful, truthfully if only because I learned that the sketches become HIDDEN when you pad something. My dumb head thought it was a feature and they were no longer accesible- i never considered it was just hidden.
Nice video! I am enjoying using FreeCAD but it seems to have many quirks that we need to embrace to be productive with it. For example: I seem to sometimes have a part that is made from a fusion and the bits are in their original location after moving the fusion, so we need to be hiding and showing things all of the time to make sense of things. And when using Booleans I end up with a big tree of changed parts with the original name being lost and having to come up with a new meaningful name for the top most part. But I realized that I should then switch to using Part Designer instead of booleans with Part workbench etc.
In SolidWorks, you can extrude any are or a number of areas together and then reuse the sketch for other extrudes. So you don't even have to trim your sketches, because you can have lines hanging out. As long as there is an enclosed area, you can extrude it. Lines will be extruded as Sheet metal parts.
currently trying to the practive models from too tall tobi. It's a bit hard to see what other cad can do. especialy the master sketch stuff. But now this will getting better 🙂. thx for keeping us up to date!
Are you going to have a go for the CAD tournaments he does? Such a cool idea and I am really tempted. I think with the new version of freeCAD it will push us up the leader board.
@@MangoJellySolutions I would like to - someday, but definitely needs more practice. I use the fcinfo macro for mass calculation. The practice models are so great for training. I found out that my models (3d printing, fixing stuff, diy...) avoids problematic things I'm not good at. So I can more or less model what I want/need, but I do it in always the same manner. For example I stuck in the rocket model (fireworks 24-07-10), rocket body no problem, but the fins killed me. Did you thought of participating?
I haven't done any of the practice models yet but I really want to participate as I never thought speed runs where of benefit until I tired one I found on the web. I realized you can learn quite a lot from it especially when trying different workflows. I really want to participate, just need to find some time. It's a awesome idea he's come up with and really well delivered. Maybe I should document my practice.
It also works with a sketch and two bodies. Create a new body, right-click on the sketch and move it to the other body. It works. And if you change something in the original sketch, all objects will follow the new geometry.
If this is true, it's a great idea. IF it works. I am sceptical, because the developers seem to be stuck in the 'click this set of lines every single time you want to do something'. You currently even need to do this when sharing a sketch between two bodies or two operations with a sub binder: endless clicking on edges All The Bloody Time. Just let us tag the geometries with identifiers, so we can refer to the same set in multiple operations, rather than having to click click click and then click click click again just to select the same subset.
with this feature it is now possible to create a box with screw holes and a lid in far less steps, due to the main sketch already laid out as reference
Thank you very much for taking us through FC ver 22. Your way of presenting is very very easy to understand. FC is now becoming a powerful tool !!. When will the version 22 be available for common download ? Thanks in advance.
I'm seeing some chatter in the discord about bugs with this technique but have not been able to drill down and read the thread. Hope its not bad because this feature looks great. Thanks for the videos enlightening us !
Well this is real gamechanger. This is reason I was stucked to Fusion 360 all those years. Damn, this is huge - still room for improvement tho: instead of selecting lines, would be great to be able just to select closed part of the sketch, that would be just one click and go and that would put this CAD software truly on par with those big companies. I know it can be programaticaly difficult, but I believe in FreeCAD team there are truly great minds.
I'm hoping that the other features of link stage 3 come across where you can turn a sketch into a set of faces from a option and Extrude the individual faces. This would be the cherry on the top. Giving people the choice of multiple workflows really helps with adoption.
@@MangoJellySolutions also would be cool to be able to extrude disconnected faces to automatically create separated bodies. But i guess that wish is bit too much
Unfortunately, there is no option to offset the height of the starting plane of the secondary extrude, so the final extrude height must be calculated manually by adding the secondary extrude height to the base.
Similar to Autodesk Inventor also. Although you dont have to click all the lines there. It automatically recognices the areas when you hover the mouse pointer inside them. But you actually gain more control in complex cases by clicking the lines. Cant do that in Inventor. And it can be cumbersome in more rare cases to get inventor to highlight the area you actually want. If its a very complex sketch.
Having FC recognize the area would be better in the case of a complex wire with lots of tedious segments. This is a good evolution until then. Big High-Five to the FC developers and to Darren for keeping us in the know.
That is a great advance and follows a principle of generalising the operation of tools. It would be nice if the hole tool was generalised also to allow any closed shape to create a hole. I think even in 0.22 only circles can be used to create holes by the hole tool. It would be nice if it worked for rectangles, slots and really any closed shape. I know you can create non circular holes using other methods, however, logically having a hole tool that can make a hole with any closed shape makes sense. It follows the old Unix logic that is evident in Linux that you make commands to do particular jobs like mv and cp (move and copy). The mv command can move files or directories and even rename in the process if you want. You don’t have a file move and a directory move or separate copy commands. In the same way FreeCAD tools should do particular jobs but be able to operate in a general way. If I am wrong about the limitations of the hole tool please correct me. I have only done a few hours of hand to hand combat with FreeCAD 0.21 and a short test of a 0.22 beta. I came out bloodied and frustrated. I watched a basic tutorial which helped. Certainly 0.22 seems to be an advance however, I think it’s not intuitive in many areas. It needs to be easier to change parameters, the tools, like my hole tool example, should operate in a general way. I will try again with FreeCAD when I next have a project. Thanks for your tutorials.
Always liked this in other CAD programs, I would love this to go the full distance where the inner part of the profile is highlighted rather than selecting each of the edges, but this will more than do for now :) Great feature.
They didn't implement it on purpose. It came along with the TNP mitigation code and they didn't even know until now. So it's not properly implemented and may not always work yet.
This is a much better use of sketch data and means one sketch can be sampled multiple times. Can the selected wires be used in other bodies or with binders? However on quick reflection it is very easy to do exactly the same exercise performed in you example with the simple use of 2 or 3 binders from the same sketch. Not a big leap forward but it could be easier for inexperienced users.
It would have been helpful for me two years ago, but it's too little, too late. I have learned to use subbinders etc; they are fiddly but no more fiddly than these new side effects of TNP mitigation code.
This is great. I used to just make copies of the sketch and toggle parts from reference to geometry, could make a real mess if you changed something in one sketch and forgot the others. Never learned the master sketch usage
It would be nice if we could actually have more than two types of geometry, rather than just Normal and Construction. I want to be able to say, 'This is Normal Geometry A and this is Normal Geometry B' (in the same sketch) and then set things up so that (for example) an extrude would treat only B as its sketch and another operate would treat A as a separate sketch. How is this difficult ?
How wil ik behave when the sketch changes? How would freecad know what to extrude? for instance the shape of the line was changed? Multiple solids of a single sketch is awesome!
I'd like to know this as well. Why wasn't this covered at all in the video ? Also, why is it so difficult to 'tag' different geometries in the same sketch, so that the sketch would present different subsketches to different clients ? I want to be able to treat some 'real' geometries as 'construction' in one operation, but 'real' in another, and vice versa. The simple. mechanism of simply 'naming' certain geometries would also disbiguate what to do if an underlying sketch were changed: you could specify unabiguously which elements were used in which operation. In the presented example, just label the outer shape of the sketch '1', one of the circles as '2', the other as '3' all in the same sketch. The outer pad could be defined as being a .extrusion of geometry 1, and the circles extrusions or pockets or whatever of a different subset of that geometry. In other words, have a sketch work like a collection of multiple subsketches, bit with each subsketch retaining its own identity during what we would otherwise treat as a 'explode compound sketch' operation, except that it would be reversible.
It wasn't planned, it's a side-effect of the TNP mitigation code. There's no official release date for the upcoming stable version but I guess September/October or even later.
The extruding part is clear, but I'm curious - assuming I want the "center hole" of each of the "pegs" to be through the "baseplate"? Can I select the inner circle of one (or both) of the "pegs" and pocket that through the "baseplate"? It would seem logical to think that it would work the same, other than the difference of needing to use the pocket tool rather than extrude. (Asking instead of trying because I'm still working back in 0.21.2, and not quite ready to make the jump yet - tried in my version, making pretty much the same, other than dimensions, sketch you demonstrated, selected the outer edge, but when I tried to extrude it, not very surprisingly got the "Result has multiple solids: that is not currently supported." dialog)
So you can now select which edges you want to extrude. What happens if you go back and slightly change that sketch to, for example, split an edge into two ? Will it recognise it as being the same sub sketch ? I assume not, but this wasn't covered.
Thank you , deron . The developers are doing an awesome job . I think it won't be long and freecad will match or exceed solidworks . Have a great day my friend . Terry
I wouldn't be that optimistic. Apart from the fact that this feature was introduced accidentally (as a side-effect of the TNP mitigation code), FreeCAD is highly limited by its OCC kernel so e.g. fillets, shells and offsets will always work so poorly until the OCC people rewrite large part of their code and pretty much reimplement those features. And this is unlikely to happen anytime soon.
I see how I could have used it. But I don't like you have to pick every line to include in the action. It would have been much easier if you could classify the sketch lines with custom classes then the default 2 blue and white ones. When you extrude a sketch you can choose which class or classes you want to include. So in your example you would have had 2 or 3 classes depending if you want both at the same height or difference height.
As soon as I saw the manual ctrl-selection of the lines round the edge I thought that would be a pain with complex outlines, as I often have to deal with e.g. after importing a DXF from some other tool. I'm not sure about your "classes" idea. I think it just needs a tool that lets you select one line and it automatically selects all the connected segments. (although that would have trouble if three lines join at a point)
@@simonstroud2555 I agree for complex shapes it would help to be able to select continues lines. The problem I foresee if you don't set your selection fixed in stone (classes). And you mis click once you can start all over again. And for example with the 2 classes that already exist. you can select a few lines, toggle the class. and select the next few to change. But the biggest benefit in my opinion of using classes, is not losing your selection if you delete the action, but keep the sketch. Which for me happens almost multiple times in every design.
Couldn't have put it better myself: having different subgeometries would be nothing more than an extension of the 'construction line' concept. It would make it trivial to 'keep bits together' when lines/vertices were added, as well as making it clear which 'subsketch' one wanted to include in an operation.
@@TinusBruinsYes, yes. Very much this. I actively want to cast my classes in stone, as I alone KNOW what part /this/ collection of elements plays in the whole sketch and I alone want to be able to add or split or curve a new edge into /this/ geometry rather than /that/ one.
Thank you :). Downward compatible to 0.22 I would say very likely as they are the same. Beyond that it depends in what you are using in 1.0. There are know tools and constraints so your going to hit problems with backwards compatibility.
Thankfully it's not like blender! I haven't got enough room in my head for all those shortcut keys. I need that space to remember passwords and my other half's birthday!
Dang.... I was going nuts not understanding what FreeCad was doing... I'm trying to switch from Fusion 360, but FreeCad makes it hard with how it handles things.
Great videos! Has there been any updates to the Path workbench in the last 6-12 months? CAM generation has been the biggest barrier I run into everytime I want to try to switch from Solidworks to Freecad
Nothing really significant apart from the name change (from Path to CAM), rest machining, new simulator, Vcarve improvements and machinability material properties.
Wow, this will make FreeCAD so much easier to use!
If it works properly in all scenarios (fortunately, it seems to be pretty ok for now) because it wasn't implemented on purpose - it came with Realthunder's TNP code.
Finally! Freecad is really coming along. Can't wait for version 1!
Huge steps forward :) Onwards and upwards :)
No one added it on purpose but yeah, I can't wait too.
I guess that's the entire problem with FreeCAD. The fact that this was added unintentionally again reflects that the FreeCAD developers have a mindset of their own that doesn't match with what most people find important in a CAD package. If that doesn't change, I doubt FreeCAD will ever become enjoyable for me (and many like me).
@@MisterkeTube Well, most of them don’t have experience with commercial CAD software and got used to FreeCAD’s quirks so much they often don’t want large changes. Fortunately, there are some new devs with more experience with other CAD software (like the guy from the Sketcher and Assembly improvements).
@Gumball_W unfortunately that's not the case for the BIM wb. I bet blender will just surpass freecad in each and every feature in just 3 years. They are huge, there are lots of devs, it is not a centralized mindset and they are listening to users.
Now all they need to do is modify it to be the same as RealThunder branch where you can just select the actual face instead of the outer wire of the profile.
my guess is they are slowly pulling features from his branch anyway. They will get there.
Wow that branch also supports multiple (separate) solids in one body from single sketch or by pocketing! I had to split my part in multiple ways only because of print size limitation and with regular freecad it's cumbersome to design that upfront with different bodies and all the binders and external geometry. It's equally annoying to do it at the end with split operations complexity so I'll continue trying out this branch build for my next design. Thanks!
Actually, it came with Realthunder's TNP mitigation code and no one realized it's there until now.
There are no faces in a sketch. If you select closed wires and create a SubshapeBinder it creates a face you can select.
@@alexandermckenzie5077 Not yet but in the future, there could be an option to automatically detect closed contours in sketches. This is common in commercial CAD software.
My honest opinion! If there would be no MangoJelly tutorials, nobody would use FreeCAD! So your channel is a core part of of FreeCad development! Keep up amazing work!
Thank you so much for such kind words, so glad that I can help yourself and others out there with this awesome program. A what a great bunch of people to help, so supportive :) :)
This is a game changer!!!
Now i can finally recommend Freecad!!!
It's getting really close to actually being a production ready CAD package. It's so close.
Once the topology fix is widely available and fully vetted it will be ready for broad adoption.
Hi, two other challenges to make freecad a pro tool : the integrated assembly challenge and the render challenge !😅
lol, it is like to say that you don't recommend math because you don't have logarithms.
@@IGBeTix-Electronique I've done both with FC. Wasn't hard. At least not for my purposes. What am I missing?
That's the feature I was waiting for a long time
Freecad is over 20yrs old, yeah I'd say it's 'long awaited'.
@@TheGraemeEvans it's a free and open source project so I'm using it with all the problems it has and I'm always happy when they introduce feature like this that are making life easier and modeling faster. I discovered it 4 years ago and I have to say that the improvement since then is impressive.
It's not a proper implementation yet - it came from external code and no one knew until now.
That's how you expact CAD program to work... Really good to see it implimented, and thank you so much for showing it in action.
cool FreeCAD devs gave it so much boost lately, thank you for reviewing new features
My pleasure. I found out about this one by accident. Had to check back to see if it was a feature or a bug lol.
@@MangoJellySolutions I quite often find features accidentally too lol. They also added variable sets. It's much more convenient than spreadsheets imo.
This change was unintentional but yeah.
HAD A REALLY SPECIFIC FREECAD problem where i could not put 2 towers and this tutorial helped me do that
Great to hear 😊😊
At 2:07 when you hold down the ctrl key to select the perimeter lines one at a time it makes me wish FreeCAD had a command that would select all curves & lines that touch the selected line. I have used other CAD programs where shift+"~" does this. A real time saving feature if you have a complicated perimeter that needs selecting. Love the MangoJelly videos--very helpful.
FreeCAD needs a lot of improvements when it comes to selection. But this "feature" wasn't planned (it's a side-effect of the TNP mitigation code) so let's wait for the next release cycle.
There is a tool in the Path workbench that selects a loop but in the newer versions it is restricted down to only be active when a CAM project is activated. It does just that, it selects a loop of all connecting edges but you select two edges and it will create a loop selection in that direction. This is calling out for a macro that can be bind on the necessary key combination. Glad your enjoying the videos.
Thank you so much for showing us the new features. Freecad is now a grown up !!
This is a great addition. Love seeing FreeCAD getting better and better
Looking forward to all this coming together! :)
It came with external code for TNP fix and no one realized until now.
Very nice feature. Also, very nice video. Well explained and illustrated. I didn't once have to jump back to see what the heck yo u had done. It was just the right pace for me to follow. I hope to emulate your style as I start making training videos for other software.
Thank you so much for the feedback on the teaching style. It's great to see feedback like that as it helps me grow as a teacher. Thank you so much for taking the time to do that 👍👍👍
This is such a time-saver and will keep the project body clean and tidy as well.
This is going to be a huge time saver, can't wait for the v1 release!
It's getting better and better (and hopefully nearer)
Hopefully. It wasn't implemented on purpose (it's a side-effect of the TNP mitigation code) and thus may not always work as expected.
Thank you so much for sharing. Greetings from Panama 🇵🇦
Great tutorial- thank you! I didn't realise you could do this now- would have been very handy with a part I was making yesterday! LOL!
This showed up in my list a week late. I was designing a button and LED plate for a project case for my MiSTer and did each layer individually that I needed, and had to restart a few times because I was confusing the hell outta the software in 0.20.0 and 1.0.0 to the point where the final layer was basically an inverse geometric 4D thing. Looked so strange, but, I couldn't undo enough. I think I hit a constraint problem and it just went all chaotic. This is an AMAZING tip! Thanks!
Confirmed... Seriously amazing. I kicked up 1.0.0 and with constraints (containing completely wrong numbers - Just going for the form, not the function this time), I redid the philosophy of what the part was supposed to be and managed to get it done in about 20 minutes, compared to the several days spent on the previous part. For me, in all sincerity, this changes EVERYTHING in my designs, especially on my single-part prints.
Great to hear it helped. MisTer as in the FPGA device? I was looking at those some years back when the channel was at a cross roads, do I carry on with Amiga and retro gaming or do I continue my love for 3D and freeCAD?. I still have my old Amiga tutorials for Linux on the channel 😊I have heard nothing but good about the MisTer.
@@MangoJellySolutions There is nothing BUT good for the MiSTer. It'll do Amiga "emulation" as well. You basically buy it as an Amiga, but, you get everything else it can do for free!
(There's parties out there that call it Emulation and not Emulation because "FPGA". I don't care what it is. It's a tool that does its job well)
YES this is what bounced me off freecad when I, thinking 'oh it's finally good now' tried to use it just recently!
As always super well explained. I've been using the 0.22 dev version for some time now and it really is much better to work with. Thanks for explaining these features so simple and clear.
Thank you for the kind feedback, I am really impressed with this version, such a step forward :)
Where can I download the 0.22 dev version ?
It's great that you don't need the Part workbench for this anymore! 👍
A great practice for a helpful example. Thank you!
Thanks
Appreciated, thank you :) :) :)
Def a plus. Just gets better and better over time.
Nice! The collection of improvements for v1 is really impressive. Thanks for showing this.
Can't wait for this to be out in the wild! The Devs have done an amazing job and such a collaboration to get this moving. Glad you enjoyed :)
This one is just a side-effect of the TNP mitigation code but yeah - there are lots of changes.
This was so helpful, truthfully if only because I learned that the sketches become HIDDEN when you pad something. My dumb head thought it was a feature and they were no longer accesible- i never considered it was just hidden.
Nice. Could use loop and face selects too, though.
I can't tell you how many times I've errantly tried to do this with earlier versions. Thanks!
You're welcome!
And the funniest thing is that it wasn't added on purpose (it's a side-effect of TNP code) and no one realized it's already there.
As someone coming from Fusion, it's still a very painful transition but this helps a ton!
Nice video! I am enjoying using FreeCAD but it seems to have many quirks that we need to embrace to be productive with it. For example: I seem to sometimes have a part that is made from a fusion and the bits are in their original location after moving the fusion, so we need to be hiding and showing things all of the time to make sense of things. And when using Booleans I end up with a big tree of changed parts with the original name being lost and having to come up with a new meaningful name for the top most part. But I realized that I should then switch to using Part Designer instead of booleans with Part workbench etc.
Such an awesome feature!
Going to save a lot of time :)
In SolidWorks, you can extrude any are or a number of areas together and then reuse the sketch for other extrudes.
So you don't even have to trim your sketches, because you can have lines hanging out.
As long as there is an enclosed area, you can extrude it.
Lines will be extruded as Sheet metal parts.
I'm pretty excited to use 1.0.
The future is looking bright :)
currently trying to the practive models from too tall tobi. It's a bit hard to see what other cad can do. especialy the master sketch stuff. But now this will getting better 🙂. thx for keeping us up to date!
Are you going to have a go for the CAD tournaments he does? Such a cool idea and I am really tempted. I think with the new version of freeCAD it will push us up the leader board.
@@MangoJellySolutions I would like to - someday, but definitely needs more practice. I use the fcinfo macro for mass calculation. The practice models are so great for training. I found out that my models (3d printing, fixing stuff, diy...) avoids problematic things I'm not good at. So I can more or less model what I want/need, but I do it in always the same manner.
For example I stuck in the rocket model (fireworks 24-07-10), rocket body no problem, but the fins killed me.
Did you thought of participating?
I haven't done any of the practice models yet but I really want to participate as I never thought speed runs where of benefit until I tired one I found on the web. I realized you can learn quite a lot from it especially when trying different workflows. I really want to participate, just need to find some time. It's a awesome idea he's come up with and really well delivered. Maybe I should document my practice.
I wonder if it would make more sense for the feature tree to display the pads inside the sketch rather than the other way around?
Finally!! Although in Fusion360 and in SolidEdge (Siemens) you can just select the FACE and extrude it. Without spending time to select edge by edge
It wasn't a planned feature but a side-effect of external code so let's wait until it's properly/fully implemented.
It also works with a sketch and two bodies. Create a new body, right-click on the sketch and move it to the other body. It works. And if you change something in the original sketch, all objects will follow the new geometry.
I missed that one! Thanks, going to have a play with that :)
If this is true, it's a great idea.
IF it works.
I am sceptical, because the developers seem to be stuck in the 'click this set of lines every single time you want to do something'. You currently even need to do this when sharing a sketch between two bodies or two operations with a sub binder: endless clicking on edges All The Bloody Time.
Just let us tag the geometries with identifiers, so we can refer to the same set in multiple operations, rather than having to click click click and then click click click again just to select the same subset.
with this feature it is now possible to create a box with screw holes and a lid in far less steps, due to the main sketch already laid out as reference
its also possible to extrude face and multiple at once. dont know if it was possible before. using FreeCAD 1.0.0RC2
Very nice addition!
Not an intentional one though. It's a side-effect of the Realthunder's TNP mitigation code.
Thank you very much for taking us through FC ver 22. Your way of presenting is very very easy to understand.
FC is now becoming a powerful tool !!.
When will the version 22 be available for common download ? Thanks in advance.
I'm seeing some chatter in the discord about bugs with this technique but have not been able to drill down and read the thread. Hope its not bad because this feature looks great. Thanks for the videos enlightening us !
The thing is that it wasn't implemented on purpose, it's just a side-effect of the TNP mitigation code so may not always work properly for now.
Well this is real gamechanger. This is reason I was stucked to Fusion 360 all those years. Damn, this is huge - still room for improvement tho: instead of selecting lines, would be great to be able just to select closed part of the sketch, that would be just one click and go and that would put this CAD software truly on par with those big companies. I know it can be programaticaly difficult, but I believe in FreeCAD team there are truly great minds.
I'm hoping that the other features of link stage 3 come across where you can turn a sketch into a set of faces from a option and Extrude the individual faces. This would be the cherry on the top. Giving people the choice of multiple workflows really helps with adoption.
@@MangoJellySolutions also would be cool to be able to extrude disconnected faces to automatically create separated bodies. But i guess that wish is bit too much
Unfortunately, there is no option to offset the height of the starting plane of the secondary extrude, so the final extrude height must be calculated manually by adding the secondary extrude height to the base.
Similar to Autodesk Inventor also. Although you dont have to click all the lines there. It automatically recognices the areas when you hover the mouse pointer inside them. But you actually gain more control in complex cases by clicking the lines. Cant do that in Inventor. And it can be cumbersome in more rare cases to get inventor to highlight the area you actually want. If its a very complex sketch.
Having FC recognize the area would be better in the case of a complex wire with lots of tedious segments. This is a good evolution until then.
Big High-Five to the FC developers and to Darren for keeping us in the know.
In fact, it's not a planned feature but rather a side-effect of other changes (TNP mitigation).
This will make life a lot easier.
Very nice improvement!
Actually, it's a side-effect of the TNP code.
That is a great advance and follows a principle of generalising the operation of tools. It would be nice if the hole tool was generalised also to allow any closed shape to create a hole. I think even in 0.22 only circles can be used to create holes by the hole tool. It would be nice if it worked for rectangles, slots and really any closed shape. I know you can create non circular holes using other methods, however, logically having a hole tool that can make a hole with any closed shape makes sense.
It follows the old Unix logic that is evident in Linux that you make commands to do particular jobs like mv and cp (move and copy). The mv command can move files or directories and even rename in the process if you want. You don’t have a file move and a directory move or separate copy commands. In the same way FreeCAD tools should do particular jobs but be able to operate in a general way.
If I am wrong about the limitations of the hole tool please correct me. I have only done a few hours of hand to hand combat with FreeCAD 0.21 and a short test of a 0.22 beta. I came out bloodied and frustrated. I watched a basic tutorial which helped. Certainly 0.22 seems to be an advance however, I think it’s not intuitive in many areas. It needs to be easier to change parameters, the tools, like my hole tool example, should operate in a general way. I will try again with FreeCAD when I next have a project. Thanks for your tutorials.
I need to upgrade. As always, great vlog, thankyou.
Thank you :)
This is good. When is FreeCAD bringing timeline
Wow, that's excellent!
It's a very cool feature :)
Awesome, thank you for showing!!
Very good new feature
Amazing!!! Thwnksmfor sharing, will test it in the morning!
That is really helpful! Awesome!
Thanks for your effort for Freecad, keep going
Awesome! The next step would be to optional select a face of the sketch instead of the wires.
Yes, was seeing if that was hidden in there somewhere, that would be the cherry on top :)
Only when this feature is implemented properly since it wasn't planned and for now, it's just a side-effect of the TNP mitigation code.
This is really powerful, brilliant thank you!
No problems 👍😊
Wow so cool !
Very cool, will be a good time saver.
Ooo, I like this!
I've been hoping they would do this. Onshape has this feature . I'm so glad Freecad is going to start doing this!
Always liked this in other CAD programs, I would love this to go the full distance where the inner part of the profile is highlighted rather than selecting each of the edges, but this will more than do for now :) Great feature.
They didn't implement it on purpose. It came along with the TNP mitigation code and they didn't even know until now. So it's not properly implemented and may not always work yet.
This is highly useful, mate😊
Always useful. Thank you.
My pleasure!
Amazing news. Thanks!
This is a nice feature. Great video! (I assume you could still make the centers of the circles as holes while also extruding the rings separately?)
Thank you :) Yes you can still do that and run other operations on top of the same sketch.
Thank you sir . Very useful
Awesome!
I've wanted this for ages! FreeCAD is really getting good. Can't wait 'til it's on par with Onshape and Fusion 360! But it'll happen.
It's just a side-effect of the TNP mitigation code and will require more effort to make it work properly.
This is a much better use of sketch data and means one sketch can be sampled multiple times. Can the selected wires be used in other bodies or with binders?
However on quick reflection it is very easy to do exactly the same exercise performed in you example with the simple use of 2 or 3 binders from the same sketch. Not a big leap forward but it could be easier for inexperienced users.
It would have been helpful for me two years ago, but it's too little, too late. I have learned to use subbinders etc; they are fiddly but no more fiddly than these new side effects of TNP mitigation code.
WOW ! Thanks Devs and teacher ! 💋 Can you? after your extrudes, pick like the two inner circles and punch holes through the body with them ?
this should work with current 0.21 version. just select the inner faces of the tubs and then press hole button ...
Brilliant feature!
This is great. I used to just make copies of the sketch and toggle parts from reference to geometry, could make a real mess if you changed something in one sketch and forgot the others. Never learned the master sketch usage
It would be nice if we could actually have more than two types of geometry, rather than just Normal and Construction.
I want to be able to say, 'This is Normal Geometry A and this is Normal Geometry B' (in the same sketch) and then set things up so that (for example) an extrude would treat only B as its sketch and another operate would treat A as a separate sketch.
How is this difficult ?
Game changer 👍
Looks like its time to try FreeCAD... thx.
Unbelievable 😮😮😮
Really nice.
Excellent overviews, thanks! I do wish you'd pronounce it "eckstrude", though...
You wait to you hear me try to pronounce 'specific', your going to laugh your arse off at that one! lol
How wil ik behave when the sketch changes? How would freecad know what to extrude? for instance the shape of the line was changed? Multiple solids of a single sketch is awesome!
I'd like to know this as well. Why wasn't this covered at all in the video ?
Also, why is it so difficult to 'tag' different geometries in the same sketch, so that the sketch would present different subsketches to different clients ?
I want to be able to treat some 'real' geometries as 'construction' in one operation, but 'real' in another, and vice versa.
The simple. mechanism of simply 'naming' certain geometries would also disbiguate what to do if an underlying sketch were changed: you could specify unabiguously which elements were used in which operation.
In the presented example, just label the outer shape of the sketch '1', one of the circles as '2', the other as '3' all in the same sketch.
The outer pad could be defined as being a .extrusion of geometry 1, and the circles extrusions or pockets or whatever of a different subset of that geometry.
In other words, have a sketch work like a collection of multiple subsketches, bit with each subsketch retaining its own identity during what we would otherwise treat as a 'explode compound sketch' operation, except that it would be reversible.
tam Blendere geçmeyi düşünür iken tekrar freeCAD i kurcalamaya başlayacağım. Umarım Onshape gibi birilerine satılıp ücretli versiyona dönüştürmezler.
Excellent, about time, so much more simple, thanks, when is it coming out?
It wasn't planned, it's a side-effect of the TNP mitigation code. There's no official release date for the upcoming stable version but I guess September/October or even later.
beautiful
thanks 👍
Nice 👍
Thanks for sharing 👍
Your welcome :)
The extruding part is clear, but I'm curious - assuming I want the "center hole" of each of the "pegs" to be through the "baseplate"? Can I select the inner circle of one (or both) of the "pegs" and pocket that through the "baseplate"? It would seem logical to think that it would work the same, other than the difference of needing to use the pocket tool rather than extrude. (Asking instead of trying because I'm still working back in 0.21.2, and not quite ready to make the jump yet - tried in my version, making pretty much the same, other than dimensions, sketch you demonstrated, selected the outer edge, but when I tried to extrude it, not very surprisingly got the "Result has multiple solids: that is not currently supported." dialog)
So you can now select which edges you want to extrude. What happens if you go back and slightly change that sketch to, for example, split an edge into two ? Will it recognise it as being the same sub sketch ? I assume not, but this wasn't covered.
425 likes and close to two thousand views in four hours! This channel is really catching on.
I nearly fell off my chair a couple of hours a go when I looked !!
Does this work with Pocket operations also? I need a dado on one side of the part and a through-hole on the other side. Can I do both with one sketch?
Thank you , deron . The developers are doing an awesome job . I think it won't be long and freecad will match or exceed solidworks . Have a great day my friend .
Terry
The future is looking bright :) They have done an amazing job. Hope your well Terry.
I wouldn't be that optimistic. Apart from the fact that this feature was introduced accidentally (as a side-effect of the TNP mitigation code), FreeCAD is highly limited by its OCC kernel so e.g. fillets, shells and offsets will always work so poorly until the OCC people rewrite large part of their code and pretty much reimplement those features. And this is unlikely to happen anytime soon.
fantastic this is great
I see how I could have used it. But I don't like you have to pick every line to include in the action. It would have been much easier if you could classify the sketch lines with custom classes then the default 2 blue and white ones. When you extrude a sketch you can choose which class or classes you want to include. So in your example you would have had 2 or 3 classes depending if you want both at the same height or difference height.
As soon as I saw the manual ctrl-selection of the lines round the edge I thought that would be a pain with complex outlines, as I often have to deal with e.g. after importing a DXF from some other tool.
I'm not sure about your "classes" idea. I think it just needs a tool that lets you select one line and it automatically selects all the connected segments. (although that would have trouble if three lines join at a point)
@@simonstroud2555 I agree for complex shapes it would help to be able to select continues lines. The problem I foresee if you don't set your selection fixed in stone (classes). And you mis click once you can start all over again. And for example with the 2 classes that already exist. you can select a few lines, toggle the class. and select the next few to change. But the biggest benefit in my opinion of using classes, is not losing your selection if you delete the action, but keep the sketch. Which for me happens almost multiple times in every design.
Couldn't have put it better myself: having different subgeometries would be nothing more than an extension of the 'construction line' concept. It would make it trivial to 'keep bits together' when lines/vertices were added, as well as making it clear which 'subsketch' one wanted to include in an operation.
@@TinusBruinsYes, yes. Very much this. I actively want to cast my classes in stone, as I alone KNOW what part /this/ collection of elements plays in the whole sketch and I alone want to be able to add or split or curve a new edge into /this/ geometry rather than /that/ one.
Oh, nice!
Awesome thanks!!!
No problems :)
I use designspark mechanical, there's no way I'd bother with that. Maybe there's something I don't get about using curve 🤗
Great video, GREAT program. Are projects created in v1.00 downward compatible? Thank you.
Thank you :). Downward compatible to 0.22 I would say very likely as they are the same. Beyond that it depends in what you are using in 1.0. There are know tools and constraints so your going to hit problems with backwards compatibility.
Nice! Now all I have to do is remember that it does this, lol!
Thankfully it's not like blender! I haven't got enough room in my head for all those shortcut keys. I need that space to remember passwords and my other half's birthday!
Dang.... I was going nuts not understanding what FreeCad was doing... I'm trying to switch from Fusion 360, but FreeCad makes it hard with how it handles things.
So much better
Not bad for something that wasn't planned and came as part of the TNP mitigation code. Hopefully, it will be improved in the future.
Great videos! Has there been any updates to the Path workbench in the last 6-12 months? CAM generation has been the biggest barrier I run into everytime I want to try to switch from Solidworks to Freecad
Nothing really significant apart from the name change (from Path to CAM), rest machining, new simulator, Vcarve improvements and machinability material properties.