Most informational video I've seen in months. This man knows what he's doing. This is a man that everyone in society should be like. He is the pinnacle of society and is also an amazing disc golfer. What an entertaining video. 10/10, I have learned everything I need.
Wide rail is where it's at for me. Rounding is my bugaboo and why extending back hasn't worked for me. I'm so glad to hear someone describe what I've been seeing in players like Shultz, Philo, McBeth, Henna Blomroos as well as I've been feeling on the course.
Great video! I've been using the wide rail for 5 or so years and it vastly improved my accuracy. It also reduced my soreness after playing several rounds in a short span.
Fantastic video, it addresses alot of the problems I’ve been dealing with trying to get out of the swing while having a straight reachback. Feels like some pro inside knowledge I just obtained! Cant wait to try it out!
Good Stuff Steve. I am very new (6 weeks in) to Disc golf and trying to get past 150' consistently. It seems that there are variations on how to throw discs consistently. Thank you for offering another variation of that. As you mention even the Pro's have evolved their swings over time. Thanks for your commitment to the sport.
I’ve been playing a few years and have never heard of a wide rail. As I’m a XXL shirt size, I’ve been trying to figure out how I was supposed to pull straight through, when part of that line would be through solid matter! I’ll go out to the field and give it a try, thanks!
I've been trying the wide rail and I still think there are concerns with timing and alignment, that the wide rail doesn't address. You speak of this in the video, but I think the wide rail can mask a problem, or be a solution to one. I've tried extending my arm way out there - overcompensating, and I still believe the shoulders need to move back and forth at a certain rate - this is a timing issue - for maximum backswing efficiency. Many people who reach directly back, as opposed to out, get maximal leverage because their timing is good, their levers are aligned properly. The wide rail can fix the rounding problem, but not necessarily the alignment issues with your shoulders and arm. To add some context: There is a backswing, and a forward swing, or just "swing." Both are movements in different directions, but I like to talk about the swing as a movement with 2 arcs. There is an arc inward as you swing forward. I call this the "inswing." This brings the disc into the "power pocket." Then the rest of the swing - which I call "outswing" - has a different arc, where the disc releases, and then you follow through. The wide rail is during the backswing, and the first half of the swing. It's not a part of the outswing. But there is more to this story. The backswing is important. The inswing is more important. The outswing is most important. That's how I look at it, at least. The closer you get to the moment of release, when the disc leaves the hand, the more mechanically correct you want to be. All the things leading up to that put you in the position to release the disc, and then after that is the follow through, where you hopefully avoid injury. Also to add more context. Extension, flexion, are technical terms. Reachback, reachout, are feel terms. A lot of people use language like "reach your arm away from your body straight back" and "reach back and extend on a 180 degree straight line" as you mention in your article. Those are phrases and conventions taught because that's how the actions feel to the people teaching them. What we've learned in the last decade is the body is doing a more complicated and nuanced set of actions together. And people try to simplify things when they explain them. The wide rail is yet another simplification designed to try and explain something from a targeted standpoint, to get people do move their body differently. I would file it under "feel" rather than "technical." But I also wouldn't say it's incorrect to use the term. Similar to reach back and reach out, I think it has value in getting people to move their body in a way that works, to more effectively throw. I'll wrap up with this: I'm not against the wide rail. I'm for only as much wide rail as needed, and no more. I think it's possible to overextend and have a less effective inswing, leading to a less effective outswing. I think the inswing - done right - can only help.
I've been doing a lot better with reaching back and going through but I still get nose up and I can't seem to fix it I've tried tilting the disc nose down before I throw but it still goes in that up position
Hey, great question. I found the biggest problem was starting my backswing with my disc first. I talked about this in an earlier video, called "Stop Rounding in Your Disc Golf Backhand"
Most informational video I've seen in months. This man knows what he's doing. This is a man that everyone in society should be like. He is the pinnacle of society and is also an amazing disc golfer. What an entertaining video. 10/10, I have learned everything I need.
Great video. I’ll give it a try tomorrow.
Thanks for the great video Steve. I've been looking for something like this for months. (!)
Cant wait to try this.
Wide rail is where it's at for me. Rounding is my bugaboo and why extending back hasn't worked for me. I'm so glad to hear someone describe what I've been seeing in players like Shultz, Philo, McBeth, Henna Blomroos as well as I've been feeling on the course.
Such a great video! Thanks man!
Great video with awesome examples
Great video! I've been using the wide rail for 5 or so years and it vastly improved my accuracy. It also reduced my soreness after playing several rounds in a short span.
Fantastic video, it addresses alot of the problems I’ve been dealing with trying to get out of the swing while having a straight reachback. Feels like some pro inside knowledge I just obtained! Cant wait to try it out!
Good Stuff Steve. I am very new (6 weeks in) to Disc golf and trying to get past 150' consistently. It seems that there are variations on how to throw discs consistently. Thank you for offering another variation of that. As you mention even the Pro's have evolved their swings over time. Thanks for your commitment to the sport.
Good Vid
I’ve been playing a few years and have never heard of a wide rail.
As I’m a XXL shirt size, I’ve been trying to figure out how I was supposed to pull straight through, when part of that line would be through solid matter!
I’ll go out to the field and give it a try, thanks!
Love to hear how it goes!
I've been trying the wide rail and I still think there are concerns with timing and alignment, that the wide rail doesn't address. You speak of this in the video, but I think the wide rail can mask a problem, or be a solution to one.
I've tried extending my arm way out there - overcompensating, and I still believe the shoulders need to move back and forth at a certain rate - this is a timing issue - for maximum backswing efficiency. Many people who reach directly back, as opposed to out, get maximal leverage because their timing is good, their levers are aligned properly. The wide rail can fix the rounding problem, but not necessarily the alignment issues with your shoulders and arm.
To add some context: There is a backswing, and a forward swing, or just "swing." Both are movements in different directions, but I like to talk about the swing as a movement with 2 arcs. There is an arc inward as you swing forward. I call this the "inswing." This brings the disc into the "power pocket." Then the rest of the swing - which I call "outswing" - has a different arc, where the disc releases, and then you follow through.
The wide rail is during the backswing, and the first half of the swing. It's not a part of the outswing. But there is more to this story.
The backswing is important. The inswing is more important. The outswing is most important. That's how I look at it, at least. The closer you get to the moment of release, when the disc leaves the hand, the more mechanically correct you want to be. All the things leading up to that put you in the position to release the disc, and then after that is the follow through, where you hopefully avoid injury.
Also to add more context.
Extension, flexion, are technical terms.
Reachback, reachout, are feel terms.
A lot of people use language like "reach your arm away from your body straight back" and "reach back and extend on a 180 degree straight line" as you mention in your article. Those are phrases and conventions taught because that's how the actions feel to the people teaching them. What we've learned in the last decade is the body is doing a more complicated and nuanced set of actions together. And people try to simplify things when they explain them.
The wide rail is yet another simplification designed to try and explain something from a targeted standpoint, to get people do move their body differently. I would file it under "feel" rather than "technical." But I also wouldn't say it's incorrect to use the term. Similar to reach back and reach out, I think it has value in getting people to move their body in a way that works, to more effectively throw.
I'll wrap up with this: I'm not against the wide rail. I'm for only as much wide rail as needed, and no more. I think it's possible to overextend and have a less effective inswing, leading to a less effective outswing. I think the inswing - done right - can only help.
I've been doing a lot better with reaching back and going through but I still get nose up and I can't seem to fix it I've tried tilting the disc nose down before I throw but it still goes in that up position
So you said you rounded before. What ultimately do you believe helped the most fixing this?
Hey, great question. I found the biggest problem was starting my backswing with my disc first. I talked about this in an earlier video, called "Stop Rounding in Your Disc Golf Backhand"
@@andrewsdg6086 great! I will go check it out!
simon does that as well, although he has taught otherwise