I love watching the old videos of Holmes being interviewed or accepting awards. It is absolutely remarkable how she can smile as she tells of her mission and her accomplishments when all the time she is just sitting there making it all up!
Hamlet: O most pernicious woman! O villain, villain, smiling, damnèd villain! My tables-meet it is I set it down That one may smile, and smile, and be a villain- At least I am sure it may be so in Denmark.
Dude, it’s HILARIOUS, watching other people totally destroy their career by being her cheerleader. You think anyone is going to listen to anything this Patty fool has to say ever again?
I've been watching them also . She's a sadistic, narsasist, and absolutely creepy . The Normal average person would say show me what you have before I give you any money, but these people just handed millions of dollars over with no evidence, and people interviewing her make me laugh. let alone the fruit cakes up top . What a joke .
She should have pursued a Hollywood career instead of Silicon Valley. The female Steve Jobs she developed as a character is not very convincing. Its a caricature!
She was a horrible actress. But that wasn’t her area of specialty. Politics was where she needed to go. Willingness to lie about things that can easily be proven false, to a bunch of sycophantic drooling twits is her gift. And she would have lasted much longer surrounded by her kind. She actually hired some people who could see through her crap, and had to keep firing them as soon as they indicated they could smell the crap. Had she started killing them off like the Clintons, she may have lasted even longer. That Schultz kid would have shot Himself in the back of the head six times before ever talking to Carreyrou. Clean up those loose ends, missy.
If I said I had a New car engine that was 4x more efficient at twice the power/torque abd one tenth the weight....I'd be ignored like a street barker selling pencils from a tin cup. Theranos has CIA money laundering, psyop Klusterphuk written all over it....God only knows what they were really doing in those labs for 10yrs. It sure as Hell wasn't a magical box with an eBay robotic glue gun inside.
@@tommyodonovan3883 You can waste a lot of money trying and failing to do the impossible. Also, you can convince people to invest in your start-up, if you're good at bullshitting people. I worked at one very ambitious start-up in its very initial stage, when we were trying to convince large consumer electronics companies to invest in us. Let's put it this way - maybe 10% of what we showed them during presentations was actually true. We got quite a lot of money based only on the promise of a revolutionary tech. I have no idea if anything came out of it, I left soon after we got the money because of personal reasons.
Ty N i personally haven’t seen any, but i guess she would have rejected any interview from science world , and most interviews would have send her the questions prior to the interview.
She did present the Minilab at the 2016 American Association for Clinical Chemistry annual meeting. Let's just say it was underwhelming: www.kqed.org/futureofyou/210797/theranos-elizabeth-holmes-will-face-1000-scientists-monday-can-she-say-anything-to-gain-their-trust
I was a journalist for many years. My editor would NEVER accept a story without actual proof of what we were writing. The fact that so many media outlets, investors, individuals and organizations just accepted her word, nothing else, is BAFFLING, absolutely baffling!!!!! Though it is also true that she faked many "demonstrations", still, she had no medical training, no scientific knowledge of any kind, and in one interview she even says "I am an engineer" when she didn't even graduate. Puzzles me to say the least that for years no one doubted her word. Wow.
Elizabeth is absolutely amazing. Her vision is so ahead of the time that the powers that be had no choice but to take her down. Imagine if Theranos was allowed to keep going. Amazing. And now Seiman's uses Theranos tech for their machines. I truly hope that Holmes can get a suspended sentence and restart her company back. She may even be able to cure death altogether. Think about that for a minute.
It would be nice if people would also put blame on the media for this debacle. They pumped up Theranos because it was founded by a woman and did not stop for a second to do any due diligence on what they were selling.
Idk, yes they’re suppose to do the research but when you have companies like Walgreens actively using it then I can see why the average media would assume it’s safe. These are journalists, not scientists. Honestly blame Walgreens the most, their co-sign gave her and the company a lot of credibility. Especially considering they did hire someone to investigate the company and then ignored him when he said she/Theranos was fraudulent
Mel Thompson yes, esp since Walgreens and I think another store was about to take them National. Like who would think they wouldn’t do their due diligence.
I never heard of her, I read the news frequently. She was big in the tech field not even the medical field. She put herself in position of people who did not understand the medical industry. Do not blame the media.
She wasn't any engineer nor a scientist neither any business woman but a character playing actor who deserve Oscar.Her heavy voice and turtle neck are gone now,,
This sycophantic journalistic culture has to stop. Journalists should ask hard questions or at least questions to help us understand what she was actually doing, Instead they were flattering her left and right with BS like 'ho much do you sleep?' 'where did your beautiful, wonderful passion come from?' She must feel like she's on a date night
@@colc1503 that’s true. At the same time, virtually every idiot who falls for the stupid narrative that women are oppressed had their nose so far up her ass it was absurd.
@@colc1503 which is an extremely stupid thing to want to know. What works for one person doesn’t work for another. Just because someone successful does something doesn’t mean if you do you’ll be successful.
Elizabeth is absolutely amazing. Her vision is so ahead of the time that the powers that be had no choice but to take her down. Imagine if Theranos was allowed to keep going. Amazing. And now Seiman's uses Theranos tech for their machines. I truly hope that Holmes can get a suspended sentence and restart her company back. She may even be able to cure death altogether. Think about that for a minute.
Why didn't more in the outside speak up? That knew it didn't make sense? How is she making medical breakthrough changing medicine forever and nobody has any idea how or proof?
Prema Istheway She claimed over and over that they’d tested it and that it worked! It must be true because look at her distinguished board, $ 700 millions raised, $9B valuation, and going commercial with Walgreens as a partner.
Sounds like Jeff Skilling at Enron....he have great ideas with absolutely no plan on how to bring them to fruition. Given her father was one of Enron's VPs, she no doubt learned from them a bit too well.
Not to defend her or anyone, but many leaders operate this way, they have an idea and proclaim its success while it's still on the drawing board. It's a way of getting people to buy in. For example, I have seen a new CEO come up with a new product, start selling it, and claim how great it is. But really the sales are from converting renewals of the old product to a new sale. I've seen many cost/benefit projections for an investment be really unrealistic, the costs are underestimated, and the benefits are not as good. But over the past several decades business growth and inflation would cover up many of those problems. In the end, although many plans are overly optimistic, they still work out.
@@ppumpkin3282 you are correct. But the difference here is that we are not talking about a social media app. It was dealing with people’s health. And that was dangerous
@@WillNelson73 AND Theranos released their product to the public before it was even completed. Have everybody forgot about all those inaccurate blood tests that wreak havoc in patient's lives, making them think they had cancer, diabetes, or other illness?
*Elizabeth:* “I dropped out my first year of college in the engineering program...I was wasting my parents’ money since I wasn’t even going to class...” *Elizabeth literally 5 seconds later:* “I am an engineer.” *Every sane & rational person:* no.
She can only say two or three, four at the most words at once. You can see her struggling to keep her bass tones. That should have been a danger sign right there, that and they eyes.But she had a talent for schmoozing sugar daddies.
Wow!! She’s an outstanding liar. She is clearly a psychopath or is totally delusional. It takes a special skill to be able to lie in such a credible manner.
narcissist personality disorder. they are so delusional, they believe their own lie and they can imitate anyone as they have weak personality. and regardless the effects, they would do anything to reach their goals.
I've studied engineering, and I have got two masters. The time I got my second one, I was more humble than the time I was a bachelor student. Now I am aware of the fact that there are so many things that I don't know. This is in fact the way education works. When we advocate the wrong way of doing things because of those rare few successful examples like Jobs and Zuckerberg, such fake sociopath are born. And btw does making patents this easy and stupid, that a kid draws stuff on a paper, without any POC (Proof of concept) or some working prototypes and claim patent?!!
Wow youre totally right, i work in the animal field and after some years learning everyday, i came to a point where i feel i dont know that much and that anything can go wrong at any given second. Knowledge humbles you, ignorance makes you arrogant, stupidity males you reckless.
I thought the United States Patent and Trademark Office only granted patents to those who had a unique and viable POC. How was she anle to get a patent on that arm patch design without any plausibility?? All just an imagination.
Nice try but you can't fool us again Elizabeth Jr. with your fancy big words like "humble, patent and Zuckerberg". What is a fake sociopath in comparison to an actual sociopath? Just kidding buddy, I'm glad you "got" those master papers hanging in your office that shows people how smart you are!
She had this image in her head of herself as silicon valley giant who saved the world, and as a child imagined just exactly what it was going to be that did it for her. Once she was set in that, she couldn't alter her course. She was so self-absorbed in the wonderfulness her own idea, she couldn't accept that it wasn't reality, which is what she found out when she got to college. And there was no way she could let her fragile narcissistic world collapse on her by facing the truth of that. She probably rehearsed being interviewed about her wonderful ideas in the mirror 100 times growing up. I think, even here, she feels like there's some kind of justification for it all.
Regardless of her supposed reasons, it was clearly a marketing and PR plot to position her as a Steve Jobs-like figure... seeing as how he revolutionized personal computing and thus the world at large, the media presumed she'd do the same at the intersection of healthcare and technology, which -- if it weren't all actually built on a house of cards and lies -- she would have. It was also to directly parallel a powerful, iconic man with a woman. If there's a sole person deserving of the money they received out of this entire ordeal, it's definitely the publicist(s) involved. They did a phenomenal job with what they had and had many people duped for years.
Yes she tries to act like a man and she talks as slow as hell. This reminds me so much of Neumann of what she wants to accomplish. Nuemann wanted everyone to work together and Holmes wants bloodwork to be a fun experience.
Prema Istheway yes but she wasn’t born poor. Horstio Alger is about some poor person being rich by hustling. She was born to executives and went to Stanford.
Way inflated ego which the interviewer panders to. Clearly loves hearing about her "success" and "wealth", talks a big game with a nauseating, conceited half smile. As if anyone is ready at 19 to lead a healthcare/biotec company raising hundreds of millions from gullible billionaires. It's astounding how she pulled this off, but in the end we understand all too clearly. She faked it, until she got found out. She needs to go flip some burgers and make some honest money with some real people, but the likelihood of that is zero.
That reminds me of a line from a movie, I can't remember the name, it was from the late 60's or early 70's. "People will buy bullshit. Just put it in a large economy box and say that Steve McQueen eats it".
“I think of it as...my mom...gets a blood test...I want that data to be flawless” Meanwhile at Theranos: Quick brah dilute the vial and shove it in the Siemens
@@emilkarpo those old men thought they’d be seen as heroes for believing in and supporting a young smart woman. Then they all got exposed as just a bunch of old, sugar daddy, simps
This story makes me lose faith in humanity! It is embarrassing to see how so many great journalists and businessmen fell for this. It is sickening to see how some people couldn’t find enough words to praise her as if she was the second coming of sorts. This world is full of lies...
Absolutely amazing how she could sell so many people on her vision and fake product. Imagine if her intelligence, ambition, and ability were applied to an honest pursuit.
Also...when I first read about her on the Forbes under 40 list, I was thinking "she sounds too perfect and her invention sounds too good to be true"....little did we all know.
I still don't get how she convinced anyone. I am not even a medic but first time I heard it I had lots of questions. How come no one asked the questions?
As an interviewer, her focus was on the money, not science and that makes sense because she dare not give interviews to a medical forum/conference where they'd ask questions about the science and not the money.
I took two years of pre-med science, an AA in Chemistry, have my BS in IT and Healthcare Management. I have certificates in laboratory science and accounting. Where are my investors!?
worked for Time Inc..and Fortune was the pinnacle of business information and journalism...it is sad how far Fortune has fallen! No journalistic excellence!
literally how was she given an award? she never proved that her tech worked. and how come all the doctors who were having issues with their patients because of it never spoke up?
She was 100% truthful in one answer to a question. She was asked what triggered her to drop out of school and start the business. She said “I just found out what I wanted to do”…She is 100% correct in that she found out what she wanted to do: Make money……she never mentioned she made any kind of novel medical discoveries
She only "existed" because of media hype and her dad's connections. Without money, family name, and media attention, she'd be ignored or just cancelled before this became a ponzi fiasco.
The saddest thing about Theranos is that it really is an amazing idea, and I so wish it had worked. I think Elizabeth knew that and preyed on that. To be able to go pick some cough drops, and get a blood test to make sure there is nothing really wrong would have been so amazing, and she's not wrong about how there should be transparency around our heath. All her time, all the energy and resources, one can't help but wonder what actually could have been achieved.
I'm in the minority, but I think she intended to make Theranos work. And yes she intended to become a billionaire. But she knew it would have to be effective for her to get to her financial goal. I think she fooled a lot of the investors. She's an attractive young blonde woman who's highly intelligent, articulate, and persuasive. It had to go away eventually. What I don't get it why was there not thorough analysis of her product? It doesn't appear she even had a panel of scientists grill her about Theranos.
@@jlbaker2000 scientifically it wasn’t feasible, but I agree, the idea is super intriguing!! The amount of blood material you need to run the tests at this point is more than just a few drops. I think if someone take time to develop the assays using a small amount of starting material eventually they can make it work. But she put the cart before the horse and her technology didn’t work.
@@jlbaker2000 I would agree also. The idea and the concept of revolutionising blood testing to make it easier for people to take care of their health is something that we would all want. And I think her idea was good and maybe initially her intentions were good, but somewhere along the line she let money and power get in the way. And sadly she ended up scamming a lot of people. The idea is definitely innovative. It's too bad she didn't think about truly talking with medical scientists and even completing her engineering degree to have a better understanding. Or even reconsider the design of the device so that it was more scientifically feasible
She seems to be saying that people could get their blood analyzed without a doctor's prescription and own the blood work report instead of it being kept by the doctor. But most people wouldn't know how to understand a blood analysis. She's using the "early detection" idea and promoting her brand of blood test like something you would do on a whim because it's only $2.99.
I'm not a big fan of doctors as gatekeepers but we need interpretation of what these tests are saying or not saying. Also, you can just see the adds "do you feel tired, foggy at work or low energy sometimes; get tested for XYZ- fast, convenient and cheap with a drive thru window!!!"
Everything about her unnatural, her face looks so fake, like a mask. Shes everything wrong with this generation of American society. Shes 100% act, her goal was to be famous.
Rick Foley suits the narrative that these feminists have been peddling and trying to shove down our throats that "All women are holier and cleaner than men"
Skepticism crept into me at the part where Pattie stated Theranos was worth $9 billion after having started when Elizabeth was only 19. I had a feeling Pattie had some disbelief as well. Elizabeth's ability for smooth lying really is stunning.
Thing is though, in hindsight knowing she's a fraud, she doesn't seem very convincing at all she seems basic, nothing brilliant or new nor remotely inspiring in her words or manners. One has to wonder what one's take would be not knowing she is lying. If red flags would go off. Now she seems like a caricature.
@@milijananovakovic2639 Yeah, it's easy to see her for her fraudulent ways after her time ended. For her to have garnered the attention she did however, makes me think a helluvalot of people believed her, otherwise I think she would've been immediately shot down. Alongside her unshaking voice, her body language is spot on, and it seems like people may have caught onto that.
Her body language is so weird why does she nod her head so much when being asked a question, in hindsight she completely gives herself away. Look at how hunched over and how much she used protective gestures and mannerisms when talked about subjects she knew were lies. Then when being asked a general question regarding for example her morals where she can answer in an un specific and and general topic she tends to open up and almost over exaggerate her gestures to play up her confidence while she can still answer in an honest way. I think she does these things to keep up the fake personality in front of the public
Having known about this Theranos stuff just about 2 weeks ago, I still wonder how come Fortune has given Ms. Holmes a platform of speaking everything that she has said here without all the necessary technical information at hand to even handle such a discussion that is so technical such as blood analysis. My field is in reproductive biotechnology esp. fertility management. If there's a new machine out there that claims mouthful lot of things, the first thing that we ask the manufacturer/inventor is this: how does your machine square with the gold standard? With all the things that I have already read about Edison (i.e., the machine that Theranos built), I find no single peer-reviewed paper that states -- in general -- Edison is at par with or is in toe-to-toe with the gold standards. On the other hand, witness testimonies available online suggest contrary -- that the Edison does not work as per Ms. Holmes mouthful claims.
pretty telling how she constantly refers to needing to 'figuring out how to get to that endgame', 'doing anything you need to get there', etc. she believed the end goal was something noble, so she justified every deception along the way to get there. i think people should understand that this isn't necessarily a case of intentional evil, but a commonly held philosophy by all humans run to its extreme. that doesn't by any means absolve her of responsibility and the label of 'evil' but it's instructive on how good intentions at the outset can result in disastrous results. something we can all learn from for sure.
She sits like a man. The way she is able to change her voice is a great gift. Alot of her discussions are rehearsed or are repeated from previous talks.
Why didn't Holmes answer the specific engineering question as to how she went from the patch idea to the nanotube thingy? --the interviewer let it pass completely by! The audience was let down by both Holmes and the Interviewer. /For shame.
Elizabeth Holmes: "I have made a miracle breakthrough in blood testing." Fortune Magazine: "Has your work been peer reviewed?" Holmes: "No." Fortune: "Can you explain how you did this?" Holmes: "It's a secret. But I can use lots of vague important sounding words?" Fortune: "Seems legit, you're on the cover!"
This is what happens when one desperately wants to see a successful female entrepreneur of Steve Jobs scale. Only ladies in the room and only hugging questions
10:12 “nothing ever works out the way you think it’s going to, you have to “LEVERAGE” those moments and TURN THEM INTO what YOU WANT THEM TO BE”.... 𝘀𝗵𝗲 𝗷𝘂𝘀𝘁 𝘁𝗼𝗹𝗱 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝘀𝗵𝗲’𝘀 𝗮 𝗳𝗿𝗮𝘂𝗱‼️‼️
Her bad posture and obnoxious head bobbing and leg up on her knee is all so contrived. But worse, the interviewer never asked who in her company discovered the process. Their names. What was that moment of breakthrough like? That's about the science. Interviewer ignored science. Then what would Holmes do? Not give them credit? Make up names? There was no breakthrough.
Lynn Ross She was asked in other venues about the tech. In one, she ended up saying, in her uniquely convoluted way, that small samples enabled testing of small samples.
Why should she? Horatio Alger was a myth. She fits the example perfectly. Look at the members of her board. Clearly our entire system is phony through and through.
I love how her voice changes as the interview process moves along. Interesting also on how she sits, kinda trying to sit forward , almost how Obama sits occasionally.
People, please stop the Monday morning quarterbacking! You fell for it the same way they did. If not for the WSJ article you'd still believe her. So please , people, just STOP!
What's so believable? I just left a two week hospital stay where multiple draws of blood were taken. I'm not a doctor, a journalist, a phlebotomist, an engineer, or a scientist but it is clear as air, CLEAR that a pinprick is not enough for one test let alone multiple.
It’s very telling here when she answers a question and mentions why she named her machine ‘the Edison’ Bc it didn’t matter how many times it doesn’t work and that almost embraces that. Clearly that’s what she did and caused her to release something that only was a theory but didn’t actually work. It’s interesting that the interviewer doesn’t press this philosophy Bc she’s thinking that obviously Holmes must have figured it out, where Holmes is almost admitting proudly that it doesn’t work.
Seriously dropping at first year . Most probably she didn't even take any core courses. Except for some A levels This is not programming that can be learned individually. Lot of practical and theoretical approach is needed for this kind of subjects. She clearly doesn't know what she was doing
I love watching the old videos of Holmes being interviewed or accepting awards. It is absolutely remarkable how she can smile as she tells of her mission and her accomplishments when all the time she is just sitting there making it all up!
her posture was so manly..how could no one notice?
Hamlet:
O most pernicious woman!
O villain, villain, smiling, damnèd villain!
My tables-meet it is I set it down
That one may smile, and smile, and be a villain-
At least I am sure it may be so in Denmark.
If you believe your own bullshit then she's not really faking it.
Dude, it’s HILARIOUS, watching other people totally destroy their career by being her cheerleader. You think anyone is going to listen to anything this Patty fool has to say ever again?
I've been watching them also .
She's a sadistic, narsasist,
and absolutely creepy .
The Normal average person would say show me what you have before I give you any money, but these people just handed millions of dollars over with no evidence, and people interviewing her make me laugh. let alone the fruit cakes up top .
What a joke .
Liz holmes should play herself in a movie, what a great actor.
Les Motley her name is cross between Liz Hurley n Katie Holmes
She should have pursued a Hollywood career instead of Silicon Valley. The female Steve Jobs she developed as a character is not very convincing. Its a caricature!
Actress
She was a horrible actress. But that wasn’t her area of specialty. Politics was where she needed to go. Willingness to lie about things that can easily be proven false, to a bunch of sycophantic drooling twits is her gift. And she would have lasted much longer surrounded by her kind. She actually hired some people who could see through her crap, and had to keep firing them as soon as they indicated they could smell the crap. Had she started killing them off like the Clintons, she may have lasted even longer. That Schultz kid would have shot Himself in the back of the head six times before ever talking to Carreyrou.
Clean up those loose ends, missy.
Les Motley
She wouldn’t take direction well, as she boasted of being the one in charge at T.
College drop-outs are not "engineers."
Well..........they are if their last name is "Engineer." :|
Not if they studied on their own
If I said I had a New car engine that was 4x more efficient at twice the power/torque abd one tenth the weight....I'd be ignored like a street barker selling pencils from a tin cup.
Theranos has CIA money laundering, psyop Klusterphuk written all over it....God only knows what they were really doing in those labs for 10yrs.
It sure as Hell wasn't a magical box with an eBay robotic glue gun inside.
@@tommyodonovan3883 You can waste a lot of money trying and failing to do the impossible. Also, you can convince people to invest in your start-up, if you're good at bullshitting people.
I worked at one very ambitious start-up in its very initial stage, when we were trying to convince large consumer electronics companies to invest in us. Let's put it this way - maybe 10% of what we showed them during presentations was actually true. We got quite a lot of money based only on the promise of a revolutionary tech. I have no idea if anything came out of it, I left soon after we got the money because of personal reasons.
Alot of college dropouts have changed shape the world unfortunately not in this case.
Did she ever give a single interview to the medical/science community? It seems everything was for the investment/entrepreneurial community.
Ty N i personally haven’t seen any, but i guess she would have rejected any interview from science world , and most interviews would have send her the questions prior to the interview.
it was deliberate. Someone with a medical background would've dismissed her claims as nonsense.
And the idiot entrepreneurs lost a lot of money, darwinism at it's best
She gives the same answers for every interview so cannot see her giving a science based interview
She did present the Minilab at the 2016 American Association for Clinical Chemistry annual meeting. Let's just say it was underwhelming: www.kqed.org/futureofyou/210797/theranos-elizabeth-holmes-will-face-1000-scientists-monday-can-she-say-anything-to-gain-their-trust
I was a journalist for many years. My editor would NEVER accept a story without actual proof of what we were writing. The fact that so many media outlets, investors, individuals and organizations just accepted her word, nothing else, is BAFFLING, absolutely baffling!!!!! Though it is also true that she faked many "demonstrations", still, she had no medical training, no scientific knowledge of any kind, and in one interview she even says "I am an engineer" when she didn't even graduate. Puzzles me to say the least that for years no one doubted her word. Wow.
It’s incredibly embarrassing to hear this journalist gush over her!
You was not that at all
@@a_kay4601 Goodness! Such an intelligent response! My hero!
@@EnglishMagic777 Elizabeth taught you well I see
Hey, she was a pretty young blue eyed blond who dropped out of college to start her own company at 19. That is a hell of a story. The media ate it up.
I like the way she puts on the deep thinker face even at the easiest questions.
Elizabeth is absolutely amazing. Her vision is so ahead of the time that the powers that be had no choice but to take her down. Imagine if Theranos was allowed to keep going. Amazing. And now Seiman's uses Theranos tech for their machines. I truly hope that Holmes can get a suspended sentence and restart her company back. She may even be able to cure death altogether. Think about that for a minute.
@@beckydoesit9331 /s
@@beckydoesit9331 your sarcasm is noted.👍
that’s how she fooled the investors lol
And sits like a man
Orange will soon be her new black.....
So true!
Exactly
not so much... they could not prove that she stole anything with criminal consequences.
Hysterical….love it!
Best comment !!
“I’m an engineer”, wow. Don’t you need a degree? 1st year is usually only basic classes.
She wanted to be perceived as one.
Unfortunately there's more than one like her
She probably couldn’t pass the classes so she dropped out duh
@Melanie S give her a break, no one has succeeded in doing what she attempted
@@luluzyz What she was trying to do was never successfully done before yet. So imo we can't know...
It would be nice if people would also put blame on the media for this debacle. They pumped up Theranos because it was founded by a woman and did not stop for a second to do any due diligence on what they were selling.
Idk, yes they’re suppose to do the research but when you have companies like Walgreens actively using it then I can see why the average media would assume it’s safe. These are journalists, not scientists. Honestly blame Walgreens the most, their co-sign gave her and the company a lot of credibility. Especially considering they did hire someone to investigate the company and then ignored him when he said she/Theranos was fraudulent
Mel Thompson yes, esp since Walgreens and I think another store was about to take them National. Like who would think they wouldn’t do their due diligence.
I never heard of her, I read the news frequently. She was big in the tech field not even the medical field. She put herself in position of people who did not understand the medical industry. Do not blame the media.
street parade LISTEN TO THIS FORTUNE IDIOT!!!! LIZ.....TRYS TO ACT LIKE STEVE JOBS....FAKE VOICE!!!
@@LeolaGlamour you're giving her a pass cuz she has a snatch?
Gtfoh
She wasn't any engineer nor a scientist neither any business woman but a character playing actor who deserve Oscar.Her heavy voice and turtle neck are gone now,,
And she's not an engineer. You're not an engineer, Elizabeth.
briansully Oh yes she is! She is phenomenal at engineering lies, trickeries, deceptions, and fabrications...but that’s about it.
Wel she engineered the biggest bullshit in silicon valley history
Who cares? She's a gorgeous babe!!
😂😂😂
She "Engineered" the entire scam!
This sycophantic journalistic culture has to stop. Journalists should ask hard questions or at least questions to help us understand what she was actually doing, Instead they were flattering her left and right with BS like 'ho much do you sleep?' 'where did your beautiful, wonderful passion come from?' She must feel like she's on a date night
This lady had worked for Fortune, but switched to freelancing conferences like this one. So I don’t see her as a journalist in this context.
Hey dumbass people want to learn the habits of super successful CEOS not their actual business dumbass
@@colc1503 that’s true. At the same time, virtually every idiot who falls for the stupid narrative that women are oppressed had their nose so far up her ass it was absurd.
Investors go screwed on that date.
@@colc1503 which is an extremely stupid thing to want to know. What works for one person doesn’t work for another. Just because someone successful does something doesn’t mean if you do you’ll be successful.
She’s incredibly talented at lying. It all seems so amazing and real even though you know it’s fake.
That is actually her greatest skill. A really talented charlatan.
She is sociopath
She's as manipulative and conning as you see, so barely a talent.
Elizabeth is absolutely amazing. Her vision is so ahead of the time that the powers that be had no choice but to take her down. Imagine if Theranos was allowed to keep going. Amazing. And now Seiman's uses Theranos tech for their machines. I truly hope that Holmes can get a suspended sentence and restart her company back. She may even be able to cure death altogether. Think about that for a minute.
@@beckydoesit9331 Irony?
A first week phlebotomist student could have told them it wasn't going to work. The fork in the road was that it didn't work.
Why didn't more in the outside speak up? That knew it didn't make sense? How is she making medical breakthrough changing medicine forever and nobody has any idea how or proof?
Prema Istheway
She claimed over and over that they’d tested it and that it worked!
It must be true because look at her distinguished board, $ 700 millions raised, $9B valuation, and going commercial with Walgreens as a partner.
She wanted credit for the idea before it actually worked. Her goal was the adulation, not a working idea
Right on. She was there for the success and adulation she craved at all cost.
Sounds like Jeff Skilling at Enron....he have great ideas with absolutely no plan on how to bring them to fruition. Given her father was one of Enron's VPs, she no doubt learned from them a bit too well.
Not to defend her or anyone, but many leaders operate this way, they have an idea and proclaim its success while it's still on the drawing board. It's a way of getting people to buy in. For example, I have seen a new CEO come up with a new product, start selling it, and claim how great it is. But really the sales are from converting renewals of the old product to a new sale.
I've seen many cost/benefit projections for an investment be really unrealistic, the costs are underestimated, and the benefits are not as good. But over the past several decades business growth and inflation would cover up many of those problems.
In the end, although many plans are overly optimistic, they still work out.
@@ppumpkin3282 you are correct. But the difference here is that we are not talking about a social media app. It was dealing with people’s health. And that was dangerous
@@WillNelson73 AND Theranos released their product to the public before it was even completed. Have everybody forgot about all those inaccurate blood tests that wreak havoc in patient's lives, making them think they had cancer, diabetes, or other illness?
*Elizabeth:* “I dropped out my first year of college in the engineering program...I was wasting my parents’ money since I wasn’t even going to class...”
*Elizabeth literally 5 seconds later:* “I am an engineer.”
*Every sane & rational person:* no.
This video hasn't aged well
She can only say two or three, four at the most words at once. You can see her struggling to keep her bass tones. That should have been a danger sign right there, that and they eyes.But she had a talent for schmoozing sugar daddies.
Good eye. And also notice how she regulates her tone just before she utters a word and she uses her hands to try so hard to manipulate that tone.
...and sycophantic reporters schmoozing her, as this "interview" demonstrates.
No one questioned her authenticity while she played this parody Steve Jobs character in public?
Wow!! She’s an outstanding liar. She is clearly a psychopath or is totally delusional. It takes a special skill to be able to lie in such a credible manner.
She wasn't even a very good liar. She just has big unblinking blue eyes which some old men found hypnotic.
narcissist personality disorder. they are so delusional, they believe their own lie and they can imitate anyone as they have weak personality. and regardless the effects, they would do anything to reach their goals.
She might be both. Self-deluded into thinking that she is the 2nd coming of Steve Jobs, and possessing the ability to lie psychopathically.
Ikr! I still can’t believe she could sleep at night for 15 years while putting the patients in depression! disgusting!
She is/was divorced from reality
I've studied engineering, and I have got two masters. The time I got my second one, I was more humble than the time I was a bachelor student. Now I am aware of the fact that there are so many things that I don't know. This is in fact the way education works. When we advocate the wrong way of doing things because of those rare few successful examples like Jobs and Zuckerberg, such fake sociopath are born.
And btw does making patents this easy and stupid, that a kid draws stuff on a paper, without any POC (Proof of concept) or some working prototypes and claim patent?!!
Wow youre totally right, i work in the animal field and after some years learning everyday, i came to a point where i feel i dont know that much and that anything can go wrong at any given second. Knowledge humbles you, ignorance makes you arrogant, stupidity males you reckless.
I thought the United States Patent and Trademark Office only granted patents to those who had a unique and viable POC. How was she anle to get a patent on that arm patch design without any plausibility?? All just an imagination.
Yeah its called “I know that I don’t know” - Socrates
Nice try but you can't fool us again Elizabeth Jr. with your fancy big words like "humble, patent and Zuckerberg". What is a fake sociopath in comparison to an actual sociopath? Just kidding buddy, I'm glad you "got" those master papers hanging in your office that shows people how smart you are!
It's called white girl magic!
Fortune was complicit with her fraud.
How?
@F32 Fortune did no due diligence. Absolutely none.
@@-norsecode- How not?
Wall Street Journal did the work to get her and Sunny found out. Both will go to prison!
Pattie Sellers has to be embarrassed with what we know now.
I'm sure she's not she's too busy looking for another female to heap praise on and show how much better women are compared to men.
She had this image in her head of herself as silicon valley giant who saved the world, and as a child imagined just exactly what it was going to be that did it for her. Once she was set in that, she couldn't alter her course. She was so self-absorbed in the wonderfulness her own idea, she couldn't accept that it wasn't reality, which is what she found out when she got to college. And there was no way she could let her fragile narcissistic world collapse on her by facing the truth of that. She probably rehearsed being interviewed about her wonderful ideas in the mirror 100 times growing up. I think, even here, she feels like there's some kind of justification for it all.
She dresses like Steve and speaks like Zuckerberg. Did anyone else notice that?
she did admit why she dresses like Steve
long time ago
Regardless of her supposed reasons, it was clearly a marketing and PR plot to position her as a Steve Jobs-like figure... seeing as how he revolutionized personal computing and thus the world at large, the media presumed she'd do the same at the intersection of healthcare and technology, which -- if it weren't all actually built on a house of cards and lies -- she would have. It was also to directly parallel a powerful, iconic man with a woman.
If there's a sole person deserving of the money they received out of this entire ordeal, it's definitely the publicist(s) involved. They did a phenomenal job with what they had and had many people duped for years.
And steals like madoff
narcissist personality disorder. can imitate personality as will, to reach their goal. they are unbelievably delusional and believe their own lie.
Yes she tries to act like a man and she talks as slow as hell. This reminds me so much of Neumann of what she wants to accomplish. Nuemann wanted everyone to work together and Holmes wants bloodwork to be a fun experience.
That happens when we idolize entrepreneurs and CEOs.
That's an unfair statement given all the good ones out there.
jealousy?
It's what happens when you are told what to think by the *"Experts."*
@iblard one of the most bs statements I ever heard.
Very true
How in the hell did she get the Horatio Alger award? WTF?
She raised the money she surrounded herself with mythic types of investors....both make people blind.
Prema Istheway yes but she wasn’t born poor. Horstio Alger is about some poor person being rich by hustling. She was born to executives and went to Stanford.
All Smiles Orthodontics
The must have rescinded it because she’s nowhere to be found on their website.
When its about a woman all rules can be broken apparently
@@alejandrorodriguez9088 AKA White woman
Way inflated ego which the interviewer panders to. Clearly loves hearing about her "success" and "wealth", talks a big game with a nauseating, conceited half smile. As if anyone is ready at 19 to lead a healthcare/biotec company raising hundreds of millions from gullible billionaires. It's astounding how she pulled this off, but in the end we understand all too clearly. She faked it, until she got found out. She needs to go flip some burgers and make some honest money with some real people, but the likelihood of that is zero.
Lock her up!
She’s one octave higher away from sounding like Darth Vader
lmao! 🤣
😂🤣😂
it's starts low and then starts going up....
This woman gives me so much confidence, that you can build a mutli-billion dollar company with absolute bullshit.
That reminds me of a line from a movie, I can't remember the name, it was from the late 60's or early 70's. "People will buy bullshit. Just put it in a large economy box and say that Steve McQueen eats it".
“I think of it as...my mom...gets a blood test...I want that data to be flawless”
Meanwhile at Theranos:
Quick brah dilute the vial and shove it in the Siemens
ahaha
She uses "little girls." What a con. She didn't want women are her board, just old men.
Not "old Men" the correct term is Sugar Daddies
@@emilkarpo you may be on to something🤔
@@emilkarpo those old men thought they’d be seen as heroes for believing in and supporting a young smart woman. Then they all got exposed as just a bunch of old, sugar daddy, simps
Yeah she even did that “jackpot” arm move when it was pointed out she had no women on her board lol cringe
I'm from the future and Elizabeth is going to be indicted for fraud
oh hey
Ha ..I am the future and she was convicted of fraud.
You were totally right ! Congratulations ! 👏👏👏
Ugh, the manspread at 1:24 was so contrived.
Everything about her is contrived.
Agreed
Awful. The hunch forward. Insult to injury.
This story makes me lose faith in humanity! It is embarrassing to see how so many great journalists and businessmen fell for this. It is sickening to see how some people couldn’t find enough words to praise her as if she was the second coming of sorts. This world is full of lies...
2 words: Bernie Madoff
Don't. A journalist uncovered the scam. They just need a tip. They can't blame people without substantial proof
Welcome to reality
Arguably the greatest communicator of all time, talking about a toaster that makes spaghetti bolognese
Lol...please highlight this comment...one of the best I've read!
I agree one of the best comments.
They should have said “This CEO Is out for Blood, and she doesn’t even know what is in blood”
Haha
Absolutely amazing how she could sell so many people on her vision and fake product. Imagine if her intelligence, ambition, and ability were applied to an honest pursuit.
Also...when I first read about her on the Forbes under 40 list, I was thinking "she sounds too perfect and her invention sounds too good to be true"....little did we all know.
I still don't get how she convinced anyone. I am not even a medic but first time I heard it I had lots of questions. How come no one asked the questions?
Mercy Odhiambo they did. They got fired, sued, or committed suicide.
As an interviewer, her focus was on the money, not science and that makes sense because she dare not give interviews to a medical forum/conference where they'd ask questions about the science and not the money.
I took two years of pre-med science, an AA in Chemistry, have my BS in IT and Healthcare Management. I have certificates in laboratory science and accounting. Where are my investors!?
The body posture says it all. She is not being straight in life, in what she says and therefore her posture must match that
I totally agree.
"This CEO is out for blood" 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Lol!!!😆
worked for Time Inc..and Fortune was the pinnacle of business information and journalism...it is sad how far Fortune has fallen! No journalistic excellence!
literally how was she given an award? she never proved that her tech worked. and how come all the doctors who were having issues with their patients because of it never spoke up?
She was 100% truthful in one answer to a question. She was asked what triggered her to drop out of school and start the business. She said “I just found out what I wanted to do”…She is 100% correct in that she found out what she wanted to do: Make money……she never mentioned she made any kind of novel medical discoveries
why would you name your son elizabeth? damn..
lol
Bcuz they already named the daughter as Mark !
Yeahsurewhynot That made me spray my coffee
allegedly, her deep voice is also fake... ruclips.net/video/p9lp73GNqxE/видео.html
@@MagicAyrtonforever Damn! Funny. I giggled
Fortune Magazine fell for the lies of one of the great psychopaths of our time. Too Funny!
Lol. Everyone did!
She’s so full of herself. Sad
David Jones Sad! *
we have the name for it , narcissist personality disorder..
The fact that people like her exist makes me frightened and disturbed
Every politician in DC is her. Always has been.
She only "existed" because of media hype and her dad's connections. Without money, family name, and media attention, she'd be ignored or just cancelled before this became a ponzi fiasco.
I can’t help but wonder what they would’ve said on “ Shark Tank”?
The saddest thing about Theranos is that it really is an amazing idea, and I so wish it had worked. I think Elizabeth knew that and preyed on that. To be able to go pick some cough drops, and get a blood test to make sure there is nothing really wrong would have been so amazing, and she's not wrong about how there should be transparency around our heath. All her time, all the energy and resources, one can't help but wonder what actually could have been achieved.
I'm in the minority, but I think she intended to make Theranos work. And yes she intended to become a billionaire. But she knew it would have to be effective for her to get to her financial goal. I think she fooled a lot of the investors. She's an attractive young blonde woman who's highly intelligent, articulate, and persuasive. It had to go away eventually. What I don't get it why was there not thorough analysis of her product? It doesn't appear she even had a panel of scientists grill her about Theranos.
@@jlbaker2000 scientifically it wasn’t feasible, but I agree, the idea is super intriguing!! The amount of blood material you need to run the tests at this point is more than just a few drops. I think if someone take time to develop the assays using a small amount of starting material eventually they can make it work. But she put the cart before the horse and her technology didn’t work.
@@jlbaker2000 I would agree also. The idea and the concept of revolutionising blood testing to make it easier for people to take care of their health is something that we would all want. And I think her idea was good and maybe initially her intentions were good, but somewhere along the line she let money and power get in the way. And sadly she ended up scamming a lot of people. The idea is definitely innovative. It's too bad she didn't think about truly talking with medical scientists and even completing her engineering degree to have a better understanding. Or even reconsider the design of the device so that it was more scientifically feasible
Fortune should be ashamed. Without seeing if the machine works and testing it they wrote a glowing piece about Holmes.
WOW!!! Have they issued an apology yet? It is truly frightening what we can talk ourselves into when we suspend healthy skepticism.
I bet the Walgreens CEO feels like an idiot for dealing with this sham.
She seems to be saying that people could get their blood analyzed without a doctor's prescription and own the blood work report instead of it being kept by the doctor. But most people wouldn't know how to understand a blood analysis. She's using the "early detection" idea and promoting her brand of blood test like something you would do on a whim because it's only $2.99.
I'm not a big fan of doctors as gatekeepers but we need interpretation of what these tests are saying or not saying. Also, you can just see the adds "do you feel tired, foggy at work or low energy sometimes; get tested for XYZ- fast, convenient and cheap with a drive thru window!!!"
There goes the first "female" billionaire founder. Even her voice is fake
She is not the first "female" billionaire founder.
And orange will be the new black for her.
well played
🤣🤣👍🏻
Her body language says: "I'm a fraud"
missed her business ethics course. The eagle 1 has now landed.
How the duck can someone sit like this?! 😂
Liz is only half culpable, the other half of the blame belongs to all the wilfully credulous fools that helped to inflate the whole thing.
her voice sounds sooooo unnatural.
Everything about her unnatural, her face looks so fake, like a mask. Shes everything wrong with this generation of American society. Shes 100% act, her goal was to be famous.
Fast track female CEO media darlings will now have to deal with this legacy.
Rick Foley suits the narrative that these feminists have been peddling and trying to shove down our throats that "All women are holier and cleaner than men"
You sound bitter. Did someone hurt you?
I never heard of her, the media really did a good job telling the world about her.
Just female fast-track CEO media darlings?
900 billion gambled on a bunch of talk? This is like the tulip craze in Holland.
i’m not even in the medical business, but even i knew this wouldn’t work...common sense says no way...one drop of blood does not go far...
Genalyte can run 126 tests on a chip using a drop, but that’s far short of all the kinds of blood tests Holmes was claiming.
Skepticism crept into me at the part where Pattie stated Theranos was worth $9 billion after having started when Elizabeth was only 19. I had a feeling Pattie had some disbelief as well. Elizabeth's ability for smooth lying really is stunning.
Thing is though, in hindsight knowing she's a fraud, she doesn't seem very convincing at all she seems basic, nothing brilliant or new nor remotely inspiring in her words or manners. One has to wonder what one's take would be not knowing she is lying. If red flags would go off. Now she seems like a caricature.
@@milijananovakovic2639 Yeah, it's easy to see her for her fraudulent ways after her time ended. For her to have garnered the attention she did however, makes me think a helluvalot of people believed her, otherwise I think she would've been immediately shot down. Alongside her unshaking voice, her body language is spot on, and it seems like people may have caught onto that.
People equated that big boy voice with genius and money. They were dead wrong.
Her body language is so weird why does she nod her head so much when being asked a question, in hindsight she completely gives herself away. Look at how hunched over and how much she used protective gestures and mannerisms when talked about subjects she knew were lies. Then when being asked a general question regarding for example her morals where she can answer in an un specific and and general topic she tends to open up and almost over exaggerate her gestures to play up her confidence while she can still answer in an honest way. I think she does these things to keep up the fake personality in front of the public
You seem to be really good at analyzing body language and what it means.
Having known about this Theranos stuff just about 2 weeks ago, I still wonder how come Fortune has given Ms. Holmes a platform of speaking everything that she has said here without all the necessary technical information at hand to even handle such a discussion that is so technical such as blood analysis.
My field is in reproductive biotechnology esp. fertility management. If there's a new machine out there that claims mouthful lot of things, the first thing that we ask the manufacturer/inventor is this: how does your machine square with the gold standard?
With all the things that I have already read about Edison (i.e., the machine that Theranos built), I find no single peer-reviewed paper that states -- in general -- Edison is at par with or is in toe-to-toe with the gold standards. On the other hand, witness testimonies available online suggest contrary -- that the Edison does not work as per Ms. Holmes mouthful claims.
💯💯💯💯
Are you familiar with live blood cell analysis? Thats really what she is talking about.
This is so ironic it’s more entertaining than any reality TV
before I actually listen to this: there's gonna be a lot of "empowering", "ownership", "enabling", "engagement", what else?
I give her an A for effort and the ability to convince big players to invest in her company. I also give her an F for Fake Bi&$@
If you look up the words insane and psychopath in the dictionary, you’ll see a picture of Elizabeth Holmes.
Who smiles like that while being talked up, gushed over and praised in front of a huge audience? She couldn't fake humility, that's for sure.
pretty telling how she constantly refers to needing to 'figuring out how to get to that endgame', 'doing anything you need to get there', etc. she believed the end goal was something noble, so she justified every deception along the way to get there. i think people should understand that this isn't necessarily a case of intentional evil, but a commonly held philosophy by all humans run to its extreme. that doesn't by any means absolve her of responsibility and the label of 'evil' but it's instructive on how good intentions at the outset can result in disastrous results. something we can all learn from for sure.
Noble cause corruption. The end justifies the means.
Yes, and as has been said that even the best of intentions are paved to hell.
She really knows how to lean in.
It’s very masculine.🥴
She can’t seem to decide what octave her voice supposed to be. It goes from low to her real voice
Notice that her fake low voice often starts off lower than usual and then modulates up to her normal fake tone.
Frank Stein Look it’s a work in progress we tried to make it sound as human as possible but had to cut corners and release to prod early.
@@fizwizzle1989 i thought that too
She sits like a man. The way she is able to change her voice is a great gift. Alot of her discussions are rehearsed or are repeated from previous talks.
Why didn't Holmes answer the specific engineering question as to how she went from the patch idea to the nanotube thingy? --the interviewer let it pass completely by! The audience was let down by both Holmes and the Interviewer. /For shame.
Ms Holmes, pl. return Horatio Alger Award asap.
She was in Ace of Base.
Not anymore!
She always sits completely silent for as long as possible before dropping the bass
Elizabeth Holmes: "I have made a miracle breakthrough in blood testing."
Fortune Magazine: "Has your work been peer reviewed?"
Holmes: "No."
Fortune: "Can you explain how you did this?"
Holmes: "It's a secret. But I can use lots of vague important sounding words?"
Fortune: "Seems legit, you're on the cover!"
This is what happens when one desperately wants to see a successful female entrepreneur of Steve Jobs scale. Only ladies in the room and only hugging questions
ha no tough questions allowed
10:12 “nothing ever works out the way you think it’s going to, you have to “LEVERAGE” those moments and TURN THEM INTO what YOU WANT THEM TO BE”.... 𝘀𝗵𝗲 𝗷𝘂𝘀𝘁 𝘁𝗼𝗹𝗱 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝘀𝗵𝗲’𝘀 𝗮 𝗳𝗿𝗮𝘂𝗱‼️‼️
Her bad posture and obnoxious head bobbing and leg up on her knee is all so contrived. But worse, the interviewer never asked who in her company discovered the process. Their names. What was that moment of breakthrough like? That's about the science.
Interviewer ignored science. Then what would Holmes do? Not give them credit? Make up names?
There was no breakthrough.
Lynn Ross
She was asked in other venues about the tech. In one, she ended up saying, in her uniquely convoluted way, that small samples enabled testing of small samples.
I think it's possible they gave these journalists a heads up not to ask about technical details because the technology is proprietary
Is she's gonna return the Horatio Alger award now that she's being criminal indicted for fraud. (Suicide watch)
Why should she? Horatio Alger was a myth. She fits the example perfectly. Look at the members of her board. Clearly our entire system is phony through and through.
Maybe she can put it up on the wall of her cell, LOL!!!!!!
It was all about her, her money, her power and nothing about helping people. Far from it..
I love how her voice changes as the interview process moves along. Interesting also on how she sits, kinda trying to sit forward , almost how Obama sits occasionally.
Nothing about her is genuine but her greed.
Newspaper like FORTUNE who put on a piédestal or worship her, should apologize to readers.
fortune.com/2015/12/17/how-theranos-misled-me-elizabeth-holmes/
Don't buy their lies
Lmao I mean, she fooled a bunch of millionaires too but it’s funny seeing that journalist admire her.
These early, glory-days interviews are such gems!
What she is talking about is so SIMPLISTIC it is just crazy!
People, please stop the Monday morning quarterbacking! You fell for it the same way they did. If not for the WSJ article you'd still believe her. So please , people, just STOP!
I knew she was lying the first time I saw this interview!!!!!!....That was yesterday, by the way.
What's so believable? I just left a two week hospital stay where multiple draws of blood were taken. I'm not a doctor, a journalist, a phlebotomist, an engineer, or a scientist but it is clear as air, CLEAR that a pinprick is not enough for one test let alone multiple.
I didn't. Goes to show how stupid Silicone Valley really is. And Forbes, Fortune, media, unbelievably stupid.
It’s very telling here when she answers a question and mentions why she named her machine ‘the Edison’ Bc it didn’t matter how many times it doesn’t work and that almost embraces that. Clearly that’s what she did and caused her to release something that only was a theory but didn’t actually work. It’s interesting that the interviewer doesn’t press this philosophy Bc she’s thinking that obviously Holmes must have figured it out, where Holmes is almost admitting proudly that it doesn’t work.
Has she given the award back or is she taking it to prison with her?
Seriously dropping at first year .
Most probably she didn't even take any core courses.
Except for some A levels
This is not programming that can be learned individually.
Lot of practical and theoretical approach is needed for this kind of subjects.
She clearly doesn't know what she was doing
Agree, she doesn't know what she doesn't know so she thinks she can fool a lot of people...
Hahaha wonder how the "jourmalist" interviewer is feeling today
She should do a voice-over for Megatron’s girlfriend in the next Transformers movie.
Lmbooooo
She can't do voice overs from prison.
its 10/21/23 who is laughing with me?????