If you really watch every game you'd see his clear potential and how devastating the Giants organization has been to his development in not providing a decent o line or receiver or group of receivers
Stop it. Jones holds the ball to long and isn't a team player no o-line will ever play well for him. He takes sacks to pad stats instead of incomplete passes. He steps up into pressure all the time. He's insanely inaccurate as well as tons of other things. He's a backup at best.
@@duanebailey6253 so he DIDN'T have the highest accuracy on deep balls of any QB at one point.... Jones is actually super accurate and you can try to absolve the OLine but look at their stats.
@@duanebailey6253 He is very well respected, and liked, by his teammates. He doesn't point fingers, he doesn't say stupid things in the press, and his work ethic is impeccable.
Toughest SOB in the league. Sacked 30 times in 6 games. They shoulda had my sister blocking for him. I need a montage of my boy getting wrecked or under pressure since DAY 1. His biggest problem is not knowing when to stay down. You can't teach that. HEART.
Please, they're not even allowed to hit him unless he's running. He would've been broken by now if he played when QBs were allowed to get hit. How about he learns to navigate the pocket and he won't get hit so often... year 6 and waiting...
@@yepdontcarebud Look at the hit from the dolphins game. Unblocked. Right into the top of his back. Neck injury. Tell that guy he wasn't allowed to hit.
@rwoggle1735 1. Go back and rewatch that game, he looked incredible. One of the best super bowl performances I've ever seen individually grading, his recievers dropped everything. 2. Notice how you said "in the super bowl" how about Jones gets within a country mile of that and doesn't have a career win% of 33, then you can have that conversation lol
@@yepdontcarebud To get to the SB he had a great OL. Then they were injured. They only scored 9 because of no protection. Welcome to DJs life. Giants lead the league in drop percentage every year.
Three of Daniel Jones' interceptions went from the hands of receivers -- Barkley twice, Waller once -- during 2023. Moreover, what quarterback can prosper with Josh Ezeudu at left tackle?
@@rwoggle1735 i almost forgot about that one. Bro really only had 2 picks last year with that shitty excuse of a line. Need him to fully show who he is
Jones did more with less than any QB I've seen in 55 years in 2022.He wasn't overrated he had the worst receivers in the league and led the league adjusted for drops at 81 % and was second in the red zone.The pick six take a closer look there were two receivers a yard apart someone was in the wrong place.You're still not very good at this.
@@beefoneeto lol bro...that man has thrown just 38 td passes in the last 4 seasons combined...he's a gunshy pump-faker and he killed his own career by trying to be perfect...he's done
@@GrandPapaCap So the facts went over your head.He's been hurt three of the last four years his 15 TDS with the worst receivers in the league was remarkable considering who he was throwing to he made two street free agents viable receivers he had David Sills and Marcus Johnson as his leaders in snaps the first half of that season probably the worst 1&2 in nfl history so this year he'll have the best receivers he's ever had and will at minimum do what he did as a rookie where he still holds the record of two 4 td games and one 5 td game passing.and had two tds per game.PLus he set a playoff record vs a 13 win team on the road.You're just a simpleton thinking he's more knowlegdeable than he really is.This content creator is just babbling but I'm glad he'll impress 15 year olds.He's really bad at this and you're even worse.
@@beefoneeto There is absolutely nothing remarkable about Jones' production and all I hear are excuses...Don't tell me he doesn't have time to throw a deep ball when I watch him pump-fake at it every single week he plays...coaches have tried to eliminate his turnovers and now he's a mere shell of what he was as a rookie...if it's not WIDE open, he will NOT throw it...he still struggles with hitting a wr in stride man, it's ridiculous and such a shame ppl like you wanna make excuses for him smh
Has he BACAME under rated??? DJ has been underrated since hes been a Giant. & our surrounding cast has been atrocious & he got almost all of the blame.. I got news for yall, next big draft picks will be RB & CB, we have our QB of the future... & Nabers, Hyatt & Robinson will secure DJ as a Career Giant
Ya think being sacked 10 times against Seattle MAY have thrown him off? Before the injury, the OL was on pace to shatter the sacks allowed records. If the OL blocks , DJ rocks.
The advanced metric shows the more time he has the more likely he is to create a turnover. That's what happens when you're constantly late reading everything. Also learn to navigate the pocket and create time if you want it. Eli did it with 1/10th the foot speed.
@@yepdontcarebud Eli HAD a pocket. Later he did not. The points stopped coming. DJ ran for 8 first downs vs Min in the playoffs. His pocket presence is way better than when he started.
No line will ever block for Jones. He steps up into pressure and takes sacks instead of incomplete passes. The bad linemen play great after they leave ny leaves 2 constants. Owner and Jones.
@rwoggle1735 eli lost his pocket when they stopped spreading the field. Eli held the ball to long. Jones doesn't have the accuracy to throw deep. He holds the ball to long. Pff stats show the giants above average in protection time.
Honestly, yes DJ hasn’t been surrounded with good players. But not all of them were that bad tho. The OL is bad but when given a chance he either hold it for a sack or stare at an open receiver and then throw a pick. Sometimes I wonder if he learned from his rookies years. He plays like a rookie at times. Maybe it’s just bad coaching or play calls. This year team will be the best he ever played with. Plus Daboll calling the plays for him. This might be a pro bowl year for DJ. Hopefully he stays healthy. I expect him to play better, but if not Tommy really can make an impact for an undrafted QB. He came in the same mess and ran the offense.
One caveat: If you're on the 5 yard line and only "need" a field goal to close the gap - maybe don't line up in shotgun (especially when you have a good running back). Just a thought... amazing how some of these OCs act like they've never played football irl before.
Your take isn’t valid, you looked at one game and then looked at stats. I’ve watched every game of Daniel’s jones since he got into the league and his best year in 2022 was with 3rd string wide receivers and barely an offensive line. Granted last year he wasn’t great but his ceiling is very high in my opinion. Going on his third year with Brian Daboll, getting a true #1 WR and hopefully them cleaning up the offensive line in free agency. We can take this team very far with DJ. I hope he kills it this year and he is our franchise quarterback
@ 5:36 Something I noticed watching the game live is the feed cut over to Daboll reaming DJ out on the sideline after the play and you can see him say "You had Waller open." If you look at the all-22 film for that pick six play, you'll see that Darren Waller is indeed open in the back of the endzone. This is one of DJ's worst habits: he stares down his reads, and as you say, makes his decision before the ball is even snapped. It's so bad that Nick Bosa called it out directly the week the Giants played the 49ers. I don't know how much processing at the line of scrimmage and post-snap can be learned, but playing behind a shitty o-line and having shell shock certainly doesn't help. DJ's failings as a QB are a confluence of issues, but this is one of his biggest shortcomings imo. Saying this as a Giants fan who has been supportive of DJ but realistic about his capabilities.
What you didn’t see or know is that Paris Campbell ran the wrong route… Waller was deeper in his progression and being that he was getting killed up front it only made sense for him to try to get rid of the ball quickly Daboll has admitted that when people do these breakdowns that they don’t know the play or progression. So yes Waller was breaking open but that doesn’t negate the wrong route being ran and the horrible Oline play 🙏
@maaliemaal1373 that's a great distinction, easy to look at it from a 30,000 ft view and say that Waller was open. I think the point stands though that DJ does have a tendency to lock onto his first read, but I can acknowledge that could be due to playing behind a bad o-line for years and inherently lacking trust in your protection.
When your line gives up 9 sacks this game. Mentally you only have time to make one read cause how bad your oline is. Remember when the bucs dline pounce mahomes so bad he couldn't do anything. Even the greats can't always overcome a bad oline. Even Brady final year his line was bad they barley made playoffs with no running game and barely can pass block
Their are plays where he actually feels comfortable in pocket and he makes good throws go back and watch that second half of the cardinals game he very comfortable back their and had time to make his reads. That is a very big difference
The line isn't bad though. They are above average in pocket protection. You can't blame the line for a qb who can't throw deep takes sacks and holds the ball to long.
The NFL QB that is massively underrated is...Brock Purdy I was watching the 1985 9ers vs Bears....the announcers stated. Well, Joe Montana throws short passes real good..... this is the same thing Purdy does ( Jerry Rice's rookie year)
@@TheRealPrinceCastrojones has the weapons as well. Have hodgins who is great no 2 wr. No corner can touch hyatt but Jones can't throw bombs. Wendell is one of the best slot wrs you can have. Nevermind slayton and Shepard. Jones is a bad qb. Barkley being the best wr backs this up.
Question: how many mistakes does he make that are related to the bad team around him? I know, this question can't be answered with a definite answer, so all we have is a gut instinct. Mine tells me this play has been adversely affected by the team around him. He can still improve but it will depend on his O-line protecting him with some consistency. At this point, he may be a broken QB, so it may not matter. He has an injury history and mentally he appears to be skittish in the pocket, looking to check down too quickly or unload the ball before he gets hit. Let's hope this season finally answers some questions about him, but they will only be answered if the O-line can block for him.
He makes the team bad. He's not a leader. He's the worst qb on the team. No matter how bad you want it to work it will never happen the team will always quit on Jones.
He should run with the bulls in the off-season. Great training for playing behind EVERY O line hes had. I was rooting for MICHAEL BACHMAN to make the team. Thats where Im at with the receivers he's had. Like Mara said, WE'VE DONE EVERYTHING WE POSSIBLY CAN TO SCREW THIS KID UP. If he got 10k per hit, I think the Giants got a deal on that 40 million. Dog in a corner. Go ahead and grab a hold of him.
Since you're into PFF grades, take a look at the grades of his O-line last season. Then, you'll have the answer to who Jones is and who Jones can be. If the line blocks in the top half of the league- which has NEVER happened, they've been 30th or worse 4 or 5 yrs, 17th his rookie year- then Jones will look like an elite QB. Period.
The problems are, as you stated, fascinating. The talent is certainly present but the recent inconsistency for the Giants as an organization, which is unusual hasn't helped his development. Jones is playing for his 3rd head coach and third different offense, in the last 4 seasons which would be hard for any signal-caller. When Gettleman drafted Jones 6th overall in the 2019 Draft it was a reach but he WAS selected so the Giants have to manage the situation. Jones ceiling is likely as a good, not great quarterback and he likely will not be under center when this rebuild, and it is a rebuild, on the fly if you will, is complete but he will be a decent starter or good backup on another team. I'm not in love with the idea of running a lot of RPO with Jones being his propensity for injury. The quagmire offensively is that Jones is more effective making plays outside the pocket on the move executing outside of the offense so your assessment of system fit for this player is logical but the risk of injury for an injury prone guy is, well, risky. Bottom line, he is likely not our guy in the distant future and I can't wait for Schoen and Daboll to identify THEIR guy and run Daboll's offensive with THEIR hand picked QB and not Gettleman's. Ending comment, the Giants MUST eventually move on from Danny Dimes.
I have always thought that he’s not nearly as bad as people like to say, the giants have drafted bum after bum to help him out. The past 3 years having your best reciever as Darius slayton in that division is a recipe for disaster
He’s a lot better than people give him credit for. Bottom 5 oline, no WR1, and the changes in coaches🤷♂️ he isn’t great by any means but underrated for sure.
5 of the 6 ints last year were caused by his receivers.If you're not going to talk context and throw raw data out their you're only talking to 15 year olds.
Here's context: the dude is scared to throw more than 5 yards down the field and the data backs it up. Only reason he isn't throwing 20 picks a year, because he has no clue how to read a defense. Hence why he doesn't use the middle of the field where all the action is either. Sorry but the only thing the Staniel cult knows about football is how to make excuses. Bad this + bad that = poor Staniel The advanced data and the raw data match up with him, and they both clearly tell you he's the leagues worst starting QB of his entire era.
That is in absolutely no way impressive considering they've scored 30 points in a game like 3x in the last 5 years combined 🤣🤣 Mf throws 10 TDs a year lmaooo
@montbrink4700 Hasn't had a consistent turnover issue since halfway through his second season......I'm not even a big supporter of Jones and I definitely think he shouldn't be on the Giants past this season but if you're going to talk actually watch the games and know what you're talking about
Let’s also not ignore his the best LT in the league was out when jones was in same with saquon last year except for that horrid Dallas home opener jones is at minimum top 15 qb
I think he fired that pick because he didn't trust Ezuedu to hold his block. I think 2023 was just a disaster all around. But the thing I don't understand about fans & youtubers nowadays is, we expect there to never be INTs or bad throws. Go look up how many 5 int games Eli Manning had in his career. Especially if you want the ball to go deep, expect more turnovers
Plz speak on how trevor lawrence has done less (no wildcard win) got paid ridiculous money with the new contract, and retract your statemen on how daniel jones got overpaid now looking back
Respectfully… What? If he overperformed in 2022 with subpar surrounding cast, he can’t even repeat that this year with the best receiving core he’s had since he started and improved offensive line. Come on man this is where the hate always comes through.
I am by no means of football expert but I've been watching all 22 film for the better part of 10 years Daniel Jones leaves too many plays on the field trying to be too safe. And I say that thinking he's very accurate with the football, has a decent arm, is elusive, and had the right temperament for the market. But Ive seen enough. I hope to see him have a resurgence as a journeyman in a better situation fit for him Good luck Danny
Have we seen the best of Jones yet? He hasn't a good offensive line yet or a good WR core. Looking at what he's getting paid, give him a supporting cast like Dak, Jalen, Geoff, Purdy, etc. have we might see him take it to another level.
He lost his LT, Saquon And first 5 games were tough! But no excuse he played awful, didn’t throw down field ! A lot of check down And no rpos which they did in 22” With Daboll this year we should see more
Before the video starts, I’m just hear to say that I want to is guy to change my mind on my thoughts on Jones. Not moved. The same issues I remember watching live are still there.. you can see Hyatt running wide open on the 3rd and 11 play on the seam, instead he checks it down and misses the throw.. the problem is that he doesn’t see the field as well as he should. Yes he can be mobile and yes you get the occasional sliding up in the pocket wheel route to Brieda but I think too often he makes the pre determination that he’s throwing a certain way and that’s the result of the pick six. It’s frustrating as hell to watch because he has brief flashes of awesome qb play but he’s just way too inconsistent and I find myself hold my breathe everytime he drops back to pass.
He doesnt see the field because he is always watching the rush. He is gotten used to being hit from behind all the time so its always in his head. Thats what happened with Eli the last third of his career. You need to account for those mental things. If you have the worst o-line in football for almost a decade that will ruin your QB no matter what his name is.
@@zograf4572he has an all pro LT protecting his blindside, Eli had to deal with basically Evan Neal on each side. Stop comparing them, one is a HOF 2x super bowl winner, the other is the worst starting QB in the modern era and will be forgotten in 10 years. Reconcile that in your head now, and save yourself the pain and dissapointment.
you look at what he doesn't do well, but what can change is a better team around him. You can't tell me that if Giants had the OL, and WR core that Dallas Philly, 49ers, Lions, Atlanta, Tampa, Rams, Chicago, Vikings, Seahawks, and Packers Jones wouldn't be putting up better numbers than most of those QBs on those teams with rhe talent they have. I just name the NFC, only two 3 team have a worse situation Panthers, Washington, and Arizona.
This season to me, hes JANIEL DONES until he starts taking more risk and stop worrying about making mistakes. I want him to throw in thight windows, and if you make a mistake its cool, learn from it and move on.
The reality is the Giants have been a complete mess from top to bottom for years. So let’s look at what DJ has done.. nothing fantastic which in order to truly succeed here he would need to be Mahomes and let’s be honest if Mahomes is drafted by the Giants he isn’t Mahomes today. That said jones has done far more than he is given credit for. In 2022 he took a team with 1 good o-lineman and 4 garbages with a WR core that featured its top wideout being a guy who began the season on a different teams practice squad. A guy who started on the Giants practice squad and a WR3 who now couldn’t get off the Chiefs practice squad. Seriously?? That’s the best you could give the dude.. and he’s supposed to be your most prized asset?? Yet that team won a playoff game. Does Dak when a playoff game with that team? Lawrence?? Tua??? I think we all know the answer.
Omg with all the he had a bad line and wr. He cant read a defense and put his players in right spots or make right calls. He is aweful and is responsible for probably two thirds of his own sacks.
The Giants ruined Jones and they should move on from him. Jones need a fresh start somewhere else and Daboll needs to draft a quarterback he wants for his system
mainly throwing to practice squad WRs with a line that gave up the 2nd most sacks of all time. And somehow Danny Dime carried the team to the a playoff win in 2022. Amazing performance.
@@TheRealPrinceCastro I'm a lifelong Giants and NFL fan since 1980...Jones is one of the worst long time "starters" I've ever seen. You cannot sit here and tell me with a straight face that Richie James and Hodgins are better than Slayton, Wan'dale and Waller...advanced stats are everywhere showing those guys get separation and more video of Jones not throwing it to wide open guys, not giving his wrs 1 on 1 chances, staring down receivers and bailing from clean pockets. The narrative that he doesn't have time to throw vertically is lazy, weak and flat wrong....If he has time to pump-fake at it,he has time to throw it and he doesn't....he stopped...he's gunshy, he's ruined
Jones is a 3rd string QB. 6 years and he still has no pocket presence nor can he read a defence. As a qb he has no desire to motivate the team, he never has. It's 3 and out and let's go sit on the bench without talking to anybody and watch all of the mistakes you just made.
The Giants will always have a bad primetime record. They're from a huge market with a large fan base so the networks crowbar them into more primetime games than their talent level would call for. If you look back you'll notice on years they don't seem too promising those night games tend to come early in the season when there's still hope. Nobody wants them playing Sunday night with a 4 and 7 record.
I believe in Jared Lorenzen...please bring him back (sarcasm). The fact that Schone and Dabol publicly state "I believe in Daniel Jones", scares me exponentially. Even more puzzling is that Bob Papa and Carl banks call the fans "goofy" for seeing the obvious. I mean WOW!!! One of my favorite sports casters AND one of my favorite players of all time pull their pants down and show their asses! Of course there is the bought and paid for high profile experts, trying to tout him...and the rest just laugh at DJ. At his VERY best, Daniel Jones can follow instructions and minimize mistakes for a very mediocre showing...ie 2022. NO MORE...now that defenses know how to push Danny's "stupid button"...he's toast!
Improving the line? They brought in two proven vets and have put them both out of position...WTF? WRs do NOT elevate QBs...QBs elevate WRs. If the o-line does pan out, I would like to see what Devito can do with some viable outlets...the man exceeded expectations and showed he has potential. Same team same year...Dan the Bust showed he got nuttin.
I remember the late great George Young saying that the public asks for a QB change whenever things don't go well but it's almost always a bad idea because the coaches work with the QBs on a daily basis, know them inside and out, and picked the starter because he's just a better QB. Now you want get rid of the guy they thought enough of to give a $160 million dollar contract and start a guy they don't even trust to be the back-up (hence, Drew Lock).
He sucks. He has a weak arm and a long, slow throwing motion, which is why he rarely throws downfield. He also cannot scramble and throw to wide open receivers downfield on broken plays. Stop the nonsense.
Fascinating career? Underrated? Everybody else is broken except for DJ. You can pull 5 plays a game from the worse qbs in history and put together good looking video. No, you cannot look at this two diffrent ways. You sound like liberal media. Yes i hope he runs more, better chance to get a backup in there that can get the ball downfield. And if he hangs in the pocket and makes plays, gets us to the playoffs on his arm not dabolls gimmick offense, then he'll finally do what he was drafted and resigned to do. This is very poor content.
If you really watch every game you'd see his clear potential and how devastating the Giants organization has been to his development in not providing a decent o line or receiver or group of receivers
Stop it. Jones holds the ball to long and isn't a team player no o-line will ever play well for him. He takes sacks to pad stats instead of incomplete passes. He steps up into pressure all the time. He's insanely inaccurate as well as tons of other things. He's a backup at best.
@@duanebailey6253 so he DIDN'T have the highest accuracy on deep balls of any QB at one point.... Jones is actually super accurate and you can try to absolve the OLine but look at their stats.
@@HorFell he's just reciting things he's heard
.... "Not a team player" what a joke
@@duanebailey6253 He is very well respected, and liked, by his teammates. He doesn't point fingers, he doesn't say stupid things in the press, and his work ethic is impeccable.
@@duanebailey6253 😂
Since DJ been in the league he has had a bottom 3 O-line and a bottom 3 WR corp. He finally has a #1WR in Nabers.
We're going absolutely nowhere with this trash at qb, are you blind?
And he's gonna throw for 10-15 TDs as always.
It doesn't matter to these imbeciles.Watch him do better than the two tds a game as a rookie.
I can't believe you people@@yepdontcarebud
@@yepdontcarebudhis 15 tds took the giants to the playoffs once.
Toughest SOB in the league. Sacked 30 times in 6 games. They shoulda had my sister blocking for him. I need a montage of my boy getting wrecked or under pressure since DAY 1. His biggest problem is not knowing when to stay down. You can't teach that. HEART.
That’s great. Unfortunately heart doesn’t always translate to wins and being good.
Please, they're not even allowed to hit him unless he's running.
He would've been broken by now if he played when QBs were allowed to get hit. How about he learns to navigate the pocket and he won't get hit so often... year 6 and waiting...
@@yepdontcarebud Look at the hit from the dolphins game. Unblocked. Right into the top of his back. Neck injury. Tell that guy he wasn't allowed to hit.
@@yepdontcarebud Watch the Giants games
@@yepdontcarebud Unblocked Bosa almost put his head through the turf. Tell him too. Both free rushers because somebody screwed up.
Thanks for this Jackson. This analysis is well studied imo and you're great at your job, man. Keep it up!
I mean to be fair what QB not named Mahomes is playing well with the worst WR corps AND the worst OL in the league
Not even Mahomes!!
Even Mahomes looked bad vs TB in the SB when his line sucked. 9 points.
Random but why they call them WR “corps” sounds funny
@rwoggle1735 1. Go back and rewatch that game, he looked incredible. One of the best super bowl performances I've ever seen individually grading, his recievers dropped everything.
2. Notice how you said "in the super bowl" how about Jones gets within a country mile of that and doesn't have a career win% of 33, then you can have that conversation lol
@@yepdontcarebud To get to the SB he had a great OL. Then they were injured. They only scored 9 because of no protection. Welcome to DJs life. Giants lead the league in drop percentage every year.
DANIEL JONES IS MY QUARTERBACK ❤
comeback player of the year
Losers lol
Three of Daniel Jones' interceptions went from the hands of receivers -- Barkley twice, Waller once -- during 2023. Moreover, what quarterback can prosper with Josh Ezeudu at left tackle?
Sills slipped vs. DAL
@@TheRealPrinceCastrocan you elaborate on this
@@ayyubjackson When Sllls slipped and fell, the ball he should have caught was intercepted.
@@rwoggle1735 i almost forgot about that one. Bro really only had 2 picks last year with that shitty excuse of a line. Need him to fully show who he is
You have to edit the stats in Madden duh
Jones did more with less than any QB I've seen in 55 years in 2022.He wasn't overrated he had the worst receivers in the league and led the league adjusted for drops at 81 % and was second in the red zone.The pick six take a closer look there were two receivers a yard apart someone was in the wrong place.You're still not very good at this.
Delusional lies
@@GrandPapaCap FACTS
@@beefoneeto lol bro...that man has thrown just 38 td passes in the last 4 seasons combined...he's a gunshy pump-faker and he killed his own career by trying to be perfect...he's done
@@GrandPapaCap So the facts went over your head.He's been hurt three of the last four years his 15 TDS with the worst receivers in the league was remarkable considering who he was throwing to he made two street free agents viable receivers he had David Sills and Marcus Johnson as his leaders in snaps the first half of that season probably the worst 1&2 in nfl history so this year he'll have the best receivers he's ever had and will at minimum do what he did as a rookie where he still holds the record of two 4 td games and one 5 td game passing.and had two tds per game.PLus he set a playoff record vs a 13 win team on the road.You're just a simpleton thinking he's more knowlegdeable than he really is.This content creator is just babbling but I'm glad he'll impress 15 year olds.He's really bad at this and you're even worse.
@@beefoneeto There is absolutely nothing remarkable about Jones' production and all I hear are excuses...Don't tell me he doesn't have time to throw a deep ball when I watch him pump-fake at it every single week he plays...coaches have tried to eliminate his turnovers and now he's a mere shell of what he was as a rookie...if it's not WIDE open, he will NOT throw it...he still struggles with hitting a wr in stride man, it's ridiculous and such a shame ppl like you wanna make excuses for him smh
No o line. No receivers. This year will be the true test imo. Bro was pressured endlessly
Has he BACAME under rated??? DJ has been underrated since hes been a Giant. & our surrounding cast has been atrocious & he got almost all of the blame..
I got news for yall, next big draft picks will be RB & CB, we have our QB of the future... & Nabers, Hyatt & Robinson will secure DJ as a Career Giant
Just cut right to the point and say you like losing
Ya think being sacked 10 times against Seattle MAY have thrown him off? Before the injury, the OL was on pace to shatter the sacks allowed records. If the OL blocks , DJ rocks.
The advanced metric shows the more time he has the more likely he is to create a turnover. That's what happens when you're constantly late reading everything.
Also learn to navigate the pocket and create time if you want it. Eli did it with 1/10th the foot speed.
@@yepdontcarebud Eli HAD a pocket. Later he did not. The points stopped coming. DJ ran for 8 first downs vs Min in the playoffs. His pocket presence is way better than when he started.
No line will ever block for Jones. He steps up into pressure and takes sacks instead of incomplete passes. The bad linemen play great after they leave ny leaves 2 constants. Owner and Jones.
@rwoggle1735 eli lost his pocket when they stopped spreading the field. Eli held the ball to long. Jones doesn't have the accuracy to throw deep. He holds the ball to long. Pff stats show the giants above average in protection time.
@@duanebailey6253 OL probblems predate DJ by 6 years. They can not pick up a stunt and EN can not handle a speed rush. That is not on DJ.
Honestly, yes DJ hasn’t been surrounded with good players. But not all of them were that bad tho. The OL is bad but when given a chance he either hold it for a sack or stare at an open receiver and then throw a pick. Sometimes I wonder if he learned from his rookies years. He plays like a rookie at times. Maybe it’s just bad coaching or play calls. This year team will be the best he ever played with. Plus Daboll calling the plays for him. This might be a pro bowl year for DJ. Hopefully he stays healthy. I expect him to play better, but if not Tommy really can make an impact for an undrafted QB. He came in the same mess and ran the offense.
I ain't saying I dislike DJ. But we gotta see how he plays this year then Reevaluate. As far as I'm concerned his "rating" is in limbo rn.
That’s my QB!! 👏👏👏
That's embarrassing
One caveat: If you're on the 5 yard line and only "need" a field goal to close the gap - maybe don't line up in shotgun (especially when you have a good running back). Just a thought... amazing how some of these OCs act like they've never played football irl before.
At the Seahawks interception, the WR ran the wrong route.
Your take isn’t valid, you looked at one game and then looked at stats. I’ve watched every game of Daniel’s jones since he got into the league and his best year in 2022 was with 3rd string wide receivers and barely an offensive line. Granted last year he wasn’t great but his ceiling is very high in my opinion. Going on his third year with Brian Daboll, getting a true #1 WR and hopefully them cleaning up the offensive line in free agency. We can take this team very far with DJ. I hope he kills it this year and he is our franchise quarterback
you need to be drug tested
We Honestly Ruined DJ If He Went To Ravens .. Niners .. Cowboys .. Eagles .. Chargers .. Bills .. Dolphins He’d Be Top 10 Easy
@ 5:36 Something I noticed watching the game live is the feed cut over to Daboll reaming DJ out on the sideline after the play and you can see him say "You had Waller open." If you look at the all-22 film for that pick six play, you'll see that Darren Waller is indeed open in the back of the endzone. This is one of DJ's worst habits: he stares down his reads, and as you say, makes his decision before the ball is even snapped. It's so bad that Nick Bosa called it out directly the week the Giants played the 49ers.
I don't know how much processing at the line of scrimmage and post-snap can be learned, but playing behind a shitty o-line and having shell shock certainly doesn't help. DJ's failings as a QB are a confluence of issues, but this is one of his biggest shortcomings imo. Saying this as a Giants fan who has been supportive of DJ but realistic about his capabilities.
What you didn’t see or know is that Paris Campbell ran the wrong route…
Waller was deeper in his progression and being that he was getting killed up front it only made sense for him to try to get rid of the ball quickly
Daboll has admitted that when people do these breakdowns that they don’t know the play or progression. So yes Waller was breaking open but that doesn’t negate the wrong route being ran and the horrible Oline play 🙏
@maaliemaal1373 that's a great distinction, easy to look at it from a 30,000 ft view and say that Waller was open. I think the point stands though that DJ does have a tendency to lock onto his first read, but I can acknowledge that could be due to playing behind a bad o-line for years and inherently lacking trust in your protection.
When your line gives up 9 sacks this game. Mentally you only have time to make one read cause how bad your oline is. Remember when the bucs dline pounce mahomes so bad he couldn't do anything. Even the greats can't always overcome a bad oline. Even Brady final year his line was bad they barley made playoffs with no running game and barely can pass block
Their are plays where he actually feels comfortable in pocket and he makes good throws go back and watch that second half of the cardinals game he very comfortable back their and had time to make his reads. That is a very big difference
The line isn't bad though. They are above average in pocket protection. You can't blame the line for a qb who can't throw deep takes sacks and holds the ball to long.
The NFL QB that is massively underrated is...Brock Purdy
I was watching the 1985 9ers vs Bears....the announcers stated. Well, Joe Montana throws short passes real good..... this is the same thing Purdy does
( Jerry Rice's rookie year)
Are u on drugs???? Do u see the weapons he's surrounded by?? Have u counted the premier, tip tier weapons he has bro??? He's just a body
That team is friggin LOADED! Put him on a team like the 23’ cardinals and he only wins 1 game
@@TheRealPrinceCastrojones has the weapons as well. Have hodgins who is great no 2 wr. No corner can touch hyatt but Jones can't throw bombs. Wendell is one of the best slot wrs you can have. Nevermind slayton and Shepard. Jones is a bad qb. Barkley being the best wr backs this up.
Question: how many mistakes does he make that are related to the bad team around him? I know, this question can't be answered with a definite answer, so all we have is a gut instinct. Mine tells me this play has been adversely affected by the team around him. He can still improve but it will depend on his O-line protecting him with some consistency. At this point, he may be a broken QB, so it may not matter. He has an injury history and mentally he appears to be skittish in the pocket, looking to check down too quickly or unload the ball before he gets hit. Let's hope this season finally answers some questions about him, but they will only be answered if the O-line can block for him.
He makes the team bad. He's not a leader. He's the worst qb on the team. No matter how bad you want it to work it will never happen the team will always quit on Jones.
@@duanebailey6253 If the teeam quits on him, then they don't believe in him. If that's the case, he's got to go.
He should run with the bulls in the off-season. Great training for playing behind EVERY O line hes had. I was rooting for MICHAEL BACHMAN to make the team. Thats where Im at with the receivers he's had. Like Mara said, WE'VE DONE EVERYTHING WE POSSIBLY CAN TO SCREW THIS KID UP. If he got 10k per hit, I think the Giants got a deal on that 40 million. Dog in a corner. Go ahead and grab a hold of him.
Since you're into PFF grades, take a look at the grades of his O-line last season.
Then, you'll have the answer to who Jones is and who Jones can be.
If the line blocks in the top half of the league- which has NEVER happened, they've been 30th or worse 4 or 5 yrs, 17th his rookie year- then Jones will look like an elite QB.
Period.
The problems are, as you stated, fascinating. The talent is certainly present but the recent inconsistency for the Giants as an organization, which is unusual hasn't helped his development. Jones is playing for his 3rd head coach and third different offense, in the last 4 seasons which would be hard for any signal-caller. When Gettleman drafted Jones 6th overall in the 2019 Draft it was a reach but he WAS selected so the Giants have to manage the situation. Jones ceiling is likely as a good, not great quarterback and he likely will not be under center when this rebuild, and it is a rebuild, on the fly if you will, is complete but he will be a decent starter or good backup on another team. I'm not in love with the idea of running a lot of RPO with Jones being his propensity for injury. The quagmire offensively is that Jones is more effective making plays outside the pocket on the move executing outside of the offense so your assessment of system fit for this player is logical but the risk of injury for an injury prone guy is, well, risky. Bottom line, he is likely not our guy in the distant future and I can't wait for Schoen and Daboll to identify THEIR guy and run Daboll's offensive with THEIR hand picked QB and not Gettleman's. Ending comment, the Giants MUST eventually move on from Danny Dimes.
I have always thought that he’s not nearly as bad as people like to say, the giants have drafted bum after bum to help him out. The past 3 years having your best reciever as Darius slayton in that division is a recipe for disaster
He’s a lot better than people give him credit for. Bottom 5 oline, no WR1, and the changes in coaches🤷♂️ he isn’t great by any means but underrated for sure.
5 of the 6 ints last year were caused by his receivers.If you're not going to talk context and throw raw data out their you're only talking to 15 year olds.
DJ is trash...give it up
Here's context: the dude is scared to throw more than 5 yards down the field and the data backs it up.
Only reason he isn't throwing 20 picks a year, because he has no clue how to read a defense. Hence why he doesn't use the middle of the field where all the action is either.
Sorry but the only thing the Staniel cult knows about football is how to make excuses.
Bad this + bad that = poor Staniel
The advanced data and the raw data match up with him, and they both clearly tell you he's the leagues worst starting QB of his entire era.
Luck doesn't exist but if it did, Jones would have the worst of it
But fans who claim they know football would say he only stares down and does one read lol 😂
He has been the Giants offense the past 5 years.
That is in absolutely no way impressive considering they've scored 30 points in a game like 3x in the last 5 years combined 🤣🤣
Mf throws 10 TDs a year lmaooo
He a turnover machine
With DJ and Barkley they were in close games
It was mostly saquan
@montbrink4700 Hasn't had a consistent turnover issue since halfway through his second season......I'm not even a big supporter of Jones and I definitely think he shouldn't be on the Giants past this season but if you're going to talk actually watch the games and know what you're talking about
Let’s also not ignore his the best LT in the league was out when jones was in same with saquon last year except for that horrid Dallas home opener jones is at minimum top 15 qb
I think he fired that pick because he didn't trust Ezuedu to hold his block. I think 2023 was just a disaster all around. But the thing I don't understand about fans & youtubers nowadays is, we expect there to never be INTs or bad throws. Go look up how many 5 int games Eli Manning had in his career.
Especially if you want the ball to go deep, expect more turnovers
Yeah. Hate is evident. It was all you could do. It’s not let it seep out of your face and your ears.
Nice cut bro
DJ is absolutely terrible. Only the Giants would be dumb enough to keep him around for so long. What a bust. 😆
Plz speak on how trevor lawrence has done less (no wildcard win) got paid ridiculous money with the new contract, and retract your statemen on how daniel jones got overpaid now looking back
Respectfully… What? If he overperformed in 2022 with subpar surrounding cast, he can’t even repeat that this year with the best receiving core he’s had since he started and improved offensive line. Come on man this is where the hate always comes through.
I am by no means of football expert but I've been watching all 22 film for the better part of 10 years Daniel Jones leaves too many plays on the field trying to be too safe. And I say that thinking he's very accurate with the football, has a decent arm, is elusive, and had the right temperament for the market. But Ive seen enough. I hope to see him have a resurgence as a journeyman in a better situation fit for him Good luck Danny
Did you just mentally cut DJ from the Giants and wish him well in your head?
Have we seen the best of Jones yet? He hasn't a good offensive line yet or a good WR core. Looking at what he's getting paid, give him a supporting cast like Dak, Jalen, Geoff, Purdy, etc. have we might see him take it to another level.
I think Daniel Jones is a terrible QB with a good fluke year and his contract will hobble the Giants for a while.
The best ability is availability!!
He lost his LT, Saquon
And first 5 games were tough!
But no excuse he played awful, didn’t throw down field !
A lot of check down
And no rpos which they did in 22”
With Daboll this year we should see more
Before the video starts, I’m just hear to say that I want to is guy to change my mind on my thoughts on Jones.
Not moved. The same issues I remember watching live are still there.. you can see Hyatt running wide open on the 3rd and 11 play on the seam, instead he checks it down and misses the throw.. the problem is that he doesn’t see the field as well as he should. Yes he can be mobile and yes you get the occasional sliding up in the pocket wheel route to Brieda but I think too often he makes the pre determination that he’s throwing a certain way and that’s the result of the pick six. It’s frustrating as hell to watch because he has brief flashes of awesome qb play but he’s just way too inconsistent and I find myself hold my breathe everytime he drops back to pass.
He doesnt see the field because he is always watching the rush. He is gotten used to being hit from behind all the time so its always in his head. Thats what happened with Eli the last third of his career. You need to account for those mental things. If you have the worst o-line in football for almost a decade that will ruin your QB no matter what his name is.
@@zograf4572he has an all pro LT protecting his blindside, Eli had to deal with basically Evan Neal on each side.
Stop comparing them, one is a HOF 2x super bowl winner, the other is the worst starting QB in the modern era and will be forgotten in 10 years. Reconcile that in your head now, and save yourself the pain and dissapointment.
you look at what he doesn't do well, but what can change is a better team around him. You can't tell me that if Giants had the OL, and WR core that Dallas Philly, 49ers, Lions, Atlanta, Tampa, Rams, Chicago, Vikings, Seahawks, and Packers Jones wouldn't be putting up better numbers than most of those QBs on those teams with rhe talent they have. I just name the NFC, only two 3 team have a worse situation Panthers, Washington, and Arizona.
Cant believe I clicked on this
Krueger....what level of football did you play...high school, college, nfl....lol...please enlighten us more on PFF stats 😂😂😂
You are making the same excuses that got the Giants into this mess, which is blaming everyone besides Jones.
Let's see what he does in 2024. His 4th "Prove it" year.
With all that being said they tried to move up for Drake Maye. lol
They looked into moving up. lol They decided not to. lol Big difference. lol
Short answer: No.
Short answer: Yes
Agreed.... haven't watched yet. 🤔
Long answer: hell no
😂😂
This season to me, hes JANIEL DONES until he starts taking more risk and stop worrying about making mistakes. I want him to throw in thight windows, and if you make a mistake its cool, learn from it and move on.
Worst NFL O line last year
EIGHTY-FIVE SACKS
2nd worst all time O line
Colts & Minnesota game in 22 showed potential
Ignorant fans put the blame on him it takes 11 guys to make one play work when 9 of them suck it just ain’t gonna work
U know and I know Whole season depends on Lozy DJ and that OL
The reality is the Giants have been a complete mess from top to bottom for years. So let’s look at what DJ has done.. nothing fantastic which in order to truly succeed here he would need to be Mahomes and let’s be honest if Mahomes is drafted by the Giants he isn’t Mahomes today. That said jones has done far more than he is given credit for. In 2022 he took a team with 1 good o-lineman and 4 garbages with a WR core that featured its top wideout being a guy who began the season on a different teams practice squad. A guy who started on the Giants practice squad and a WR3 who now couldn’t get off the Chiefs practice squad. Seriously?? That’s the best you could give the dude.. and he’s supposed to be your most prized asset?? Yet that team won a playoff game. Does Dak when a playoff game with that team? Lawrence?? Tua??? I think we all know the answer.
NO
How high were you when you wrote the title to this video,? 😂
Jones has had one of the worst OL in the NFL most of the seasons he played. Giants FRONT OFFICE gets a BIG F for the past decade
Omg with all the he had a bad line and wr. He cant read a defense and put his players in right spots or make right calls. He is aweful and is responsible for probably two thirds of his own sacks.
Bottom 3 Oline every yr except 1
The Giants ruined Jones and they should move on from him. Jones need a fresh start somewhere else and Daboll needs to draft a quarterback he wants for his system
Daboll saw him in his system and gave him a new contract. They liked Maye because of a rookie deal, but couldn't get him.
Just fix the OL issue 😢
Underrated? 😂😂😂 38 td passes in 4 seasons, underrated?? Man stop it
mainly throwing to practice squad WRs with a line that gave up the 2nd most sacks of all time.
And somehow Danny Dime carried the team to the a playoff win in 2022.
Amazing performance.
@@Matt90541 you got any more excuses for him?
@GrandPapaCap was it true or not? Who was his prime WR? Have u ever, even in this video seen 1 solid pocket??? Oh ok
@@Matt90541he got carried that whole year
@@TheRealPrinceCastro I'm a lifelong Giants and NFL fan since 1980...Jones is one of the worst long time "starters" I've ever seen.
You cannot sit here and tell me with a straight face that Richie James and Hodgins are better than Slayton, Wan'dale and Waller...advanced stats are everywhere showing those guys get separation and more video of Jones not throwing it to wide open guys, not giving his wrs 1 on 1 chances, staring down receivers and bailing from clean pockets.
The narrative that he doesn't have time to throw vertically is lazy, weak and flat wrong....If he has time to pump-fake at it,he has time to throw it and he doesn't....he stopped...he's gunshy, he's ruined
Jones is a 3rd string QB. 6 years and he still has no pocket presence nor can he read a defence. As a qb he has no desire to motivate the team, he never has. It's 3 and out and let's go sit on the bench without talking to anybody and watch all of the mistakes you just made.
How many years of suck to you need to see before realizing he sucks
That sucking sound you heard was from the OL and receivers. Jury is still out on DJ.
Daniel Jones has the worst primetime record. He plays bad on night games for some reason.
The Giants will always have a bad primetime record. They're from a huge market with a large fan base so the networks crowbar them into more primetime games than their talent level would call for. If you look back you'll notice on years they don't seem too promising those night games tend to come early in the season when there's still hope. Nobody wants them playing Sunday night with a 4 and 7 record.
No
Haven't watched the vid yet but as a GMEN fan since 84 I can tell you HELL no he's not underrated
I believe in Jared Lorenzen...please bring him back (sarcasm).
The fact that Schone and Dabol publicly state "I believe in Daniel Jones", scares me exponentially.
Even more puzzling is that Bob Papa and Carl banks call the fans "goofy" for seeing the obvious. I mean WOW!!!
One of my favorite sports casters AND one of my favorite players of all time pull their pants down and show their asses!
Of course there is the bought and paid for high profile experts, trying to tout him...and the rest just laugh at DJ.
At his VERY best, Daniel Jones can follow instructions and minimize mistakes for a very mediocre showing...ie 2022.
NO MORE...now that defenses know how to push Danny's "stupid button"...he's toast!
Improving the line? They brought in two proven vets and have put them both out of position...WTF?
WRs do NOT elevate QBs...QBs elevate WRs.
If the o-line does pan out, I would like to see what Devito can do with some viable outlets...the man exceeded expectations and showed he has potential. Same team same year...Dan the Bust showed he got nuttin.
I remember the late great George Young saying that the public asks for a QB change whenever things don't go well but it's almost always a bad idea because the coaches work with the QBs on a daily basis, know them inside and out, and picked the starter because he's just a better QB. Now you want get rid of the guy they thought enough of to give a $160 million dollar contract and start a guy they don't even trust to be the back-up (hence, Drew Lock).
Even your positive play examples dude stares down ONE receiver. Like every time. Dude does not look over the field, dude does not audible either.
Oh my god people are still falling for this crap? 😂
Dude is a bust
He sucks. He has a weak arm and a long, slow throwing motion, which is why he rarely throws downfield. He also cannot scramble and throw to wide open receivers downfield on broken plays. Stop the nonsense.
Fascinating career? Underrated? Everybody else is broken except for DJ. You can pull 5 plays a game from the worse qbs in history and put together good looking video. No, you cannot look at this two diffrent ways. You sound like liberal media.
Yes i hope he runs more, better chance to get a backup in there that can get the ball downfield. And if he hangs in the pocket and makes plays, gets us to the playoffs on his arm not dabolls gimmick offense, then he'll finally do what he was drafted and resigned to do.
This is very poor content.
dj is trash