Who are the THUNDERBOLTS? New MCU Team EXPLAINED
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- Опубликовано: 9 июн 2022
- The Thunderbolts are officially coming to the Marvel Cinematic Universe! In this video we explain the new MCU team and its likely members: Zemo, Abomination, USAgent, Yelena Belova, Taskmaster, Winter Soldier, Justin Hamer, Ghost, and Skurge.
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Written and Hosted by Ryan Arey ( / ryanarey )
Edited by Harriet Lengel-Enright and Srinidhi Rao
We’re going to explain who the thunderbolts are, who’s on the team, who should be on the team, and what kind of threats they’ll face in the MCU.
The movie will be directed by Jack Schreier-he did that robot and Frank movie. This follows Marvel’s pattern of hiring indie directors to direct their big budget movies. This is because a lot of Marvel’s pre-viz process maps out big action sequences ahead of time, but they still need someone to tell the humans how to make feelings on screen..
The Thunderbolts is a group that is unlike anything else we’ve seen in the MCU up to this point. People keep saying they’re Marvel’s suicide squad, but that’s not exactly true. See, the Thunderbolts first began during this 90s story called Heroes reborn. Basically, all the heavies, the Avengers, Fantastic Four, were sucked into other dimensions, so everyone in the Marvel universe thought they were dead. A new team called the thunderbolts showed up and started picking up the slack for the missing avengers.
The public gradually accepted this new super team-but it turned out that they were actually a team of villains in disguise, led by baron Zemo. I don;t think the movie is going to comply with that kind of twist, cause, we;ll, we already know the twist. But, there have been many other intierations of the team over the years. At one point, Norman Osborn became the director of shield and formed his own team to act as a kind of suici0de like team of villains to do the dirty work the heroes wouldn't touch.
During this time, Osborn was basically put in charge of all the government’s superheroes, in an event called dark reign. Basically, after Civil war tony was put in charge of shield, then he failed to stop a skrull invasion, so the government put a former villain in control. Biven current events, that no longer seems unlikely.
Dark reign also gave us the dark avengers. This was another team of villains and anti-heroes disguised as good guys, who were anointed as the Avengers.
I think that we’re going to see an amalgam of these two teams in this movie. Events are very similar. The core of the Avengers is broken, with Tony and Natasha dead, Steve and Clint retired, Thor off finding himself and banner-I guess is just doing consulting work. We don;t have an official avengers team, or an official avengers headquarters.
So with the Avengers gone, this is a perfect opportunity for Thunderbolt Ross to step in and flex his muscles. Ross first entered the MCU in the Incredible Hulk, where he was hunting Bruce Banner because he wanted to create an army of hulks from his blood. [that man is govt property] You’ll remember that in that movie he used a lesser version of the serum to give Emil Blonsky powers [clip], him getting kicked] [not a great plan].
Ross keeps popping up in the CU attempting to control other heroes. He spearheaded the sokovia accords, haunted Natasha, and made the Avengers report to him in Infinity war. This is a guy who has always wanted his own team of avengers. And now he finally has his chance.
Now I should mention that the actor who plays Ross, William Hurt, recently passed away. Personally, I’m in favor of recasting almost any role in these movies, because the characters should live forever. Maybe Sam Elliot would reprise the role, or Brian Cox from succession.
Or. the team could just be named the thunderbolts in his honor, if the character has died. We know he has a bad ticker
It also seems very likely that Ross’s chief agent is the former spy Valentina allegra de fontaine [val, for short]. We’re seen her pop up in falcon and the winter soldier, black widow, and offscreen in hawker. All we know about her is that she seems to have some security clearance and she hires out Yelean for assassin work. She’s also not above meaning the truth, as she lies to Yelena about her target.
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Who do you want to see on the team?
Your mom
Your mom
Will the send the Thunderbolts to battle the mutants in the MCU
Deadpool of course!
Ghost, I wanna know what happened to her after Ant-man and the Wasp as we haven't heard anything about her since.
I love Bucky and want to see more of him, but can’t see him working with Thunderbolt Ross or on a “dark” team. He has worked so hard to lose that part of himself.
Exactly he’d most likely either work with Sam or go off on his own
Maybe at first
He's definitely not going to work with John Walker.
Maybe Zemo can brain wash him again.
I wonder if he may be a periphery character, like maybe there to advise and he's strongly critical saying that it's a terrible idea.
If they can make Thunderbolts. I hope this means they can make Midnight Sons.
They are making a video game for MS. so I assume they will get there eventually.
I would trip a blind kid for Midnight Sons
with marvels current track record for tv, I think midnight sons would work better as a Disney+ series to start. 6-8 hour long episodes to set them up, that way a movie can jump right into the action.
Tbh I can see that happening and I’m glad u brought that up I can see blade making short appearances or post credits scenes like Eternals to recruit characters like moon knight,ghost rider,punisher,Morbius, and black knight
For the team Midnight sons i can see Moon knight, Black Knight, Blade, Shang Chi and Katy, Werewolf by night, the Man Thing, Daredevil, punisher, Ghost rider, Doctor Strange and wong maybe Agatha, Hannibal king
I hope winter soldier isn't in Thunderbolts. He's my favorite and after all his growth he deserves to be an Avenger
I agree. MCU Bucky has always been a hero. Like Steve hanging out with the WWII vets in the Ultron party, Bucky deserves a proper homecoming. Mark Hamill is the right age to play the son of one of MCU Bucky's 3 sisters (per his Smithsonian biography in Captain America: The Winter Soldier).
He’s a white male so he’ll always be a villain to Marvel
We DEFINITELY need Justin Hammer & Skurge. Fun characters.
more Karl Urban is always a plus
The only problem is that Skurge is dead
HELL no!
Justin Hammer in an Ironman armor! That would be interesting to see.
@@kerryparks1979 his spine need to be twisted, a fitting death after what he did to late Tony stark
it's sad that William Hurt can't see this finally coming out. i am looking forward to seeing what direction they take the movie.
Yeah he was the perfect Thunderbolt Ross!! This would of been his time to shine in the MCU
It definitely hurts
I want to see Red Guardian on the team
Don't forget homelander, soldierboy and peacemaker
I would love to see Ryan's Deadpool get into the mcu with thunderbolts. And yes, Karl Urban is so great. Good shout with Skurge.
Thunderbolt movie is going to be 2hrs+ of Zemo dancing at a night club.
Bucky and yelena on the same team is a need
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To balance a mostly male team I would like to see Elektra and Hell Cat in the team as well
Taskmaster is a girl
@@mukeshmalhotra9146 The MCU'S "Taskmaster" is actually a dude until the mask comes off 💪👈😏
@@topknot01 I know
They got Taskmaster and Yelena, I think that's balanced
@@BrySchec lmao
I love the Bullseye idea. Also I think Justin Hammer will join the team as well. I can see him being reintroduced in armor wars.
1. Thank you for giving the first good explanation of The Thunderbolts I've seen on RUclips.
2. I really hope we get more of the original Thunderbolts in the MCU version. At the very least, I hope they introduce Moonstone in The Marvels and get her on the team, because she's always been the most interesting member to me, because you really never know which way she's going to go.
3. I would love it if Ross put together The Thunderbolts (Zemo, and hopefully mostly characters from the original comics series) and Contessa put together The Dark Avengers (US Agent, Yelena, Abomination, Justin Hammer) and we had the two teams going up against each other.
4. My hope for how they handle Ross, is that he took a new Super Soldier serum, that rejuvenated him (maybe recast him with Jon Hamm) leading to him becoming Red Hulk down the road.
I completely agree with having Thunderbolt Ross recasted. I also would love to see Baron Zemo take on the mantle of the Patriotic Citizen V, like in the comics. I’m pretty sure it won’t happen but it would definitely be cool to see.
seeing Zemo as Citizen V would be great but maybe not exactly as in comics since that persona was very American-coded (even though original Citizen V was British) and i don't think Zemo would agree to parade around practically dressed like an American flag given his dislike for the USA and its heroes. But the original Citizen V costume doesn't have any specific symbols associated with America or Great Britain, it's just red, white and blue which sure are colors of previously mentioned countries but are also colors of Sokovia and honestly I think they can go with that.
i didn’t want to get excited in earlier videos when you were theorizing about the thunderbolts set up, but now that it’s announced… it’s probably the thing i’m most excited about. that and maybe blade. i would like to see loki again too.
I can see the Thunderbolts being the catalyst that brings the Young Avengers together! Cause in the comics they decide to fill the hero void left after M Day, so this seems similar.
My dream team for the thunderbolts
Yes you need Zemo in there. U.s agent, Yelena, and abomination may fit in perfectly but I am not sure about ghost. Honestly I personally think that the thunderbolts may be a good way to reintroduce The Punisher go the mcu he was a member of the thunderbolts at one time
I really appreciate this video.Keep up the good work(Ryanery).
Whoever they eventually put on the team will be awesome !
Your the only person I can listen to about all this stuff and actually enjoy nerding out to. Thanks, Ryan!
Zemo IS a soldier though; a Colonel in the Sokovian Army, he led the Scorpion Corps. He actually outranked Walker, though I can see why Ross may want Walker to be the leader/face of the Thunderbolts.
Great vid, I REALLY like your picks of Skurge & Justin Hammer w/ malfunctioning drone armor. Lol
I think this might lead to thunderbolts Vs the young avengers, or a secret avengers lead by Sam for the role of earth's mightiest heroes, with some thunderbolts being brought onboard the future avengers team, such as Yelena.
Yes!!
Then, Kate and Yelena will be going to meet again. Can't wait!♥️
You and George are my favorite RUclips 'Ryan's' thank you for your talents!
Ryan’s been waiting for this
First time watching this channel. Very good. Thank you
Let Bucky lead the team, he has in the comics. Plus Zemo will always have Ulterior motives, can't be trusted!
I will not tolerate this Zemo slander!
@@TheJay1979 You Will!
@theoutlawking
Yeah, I wouldn’t mind seeing Bucky lead the Thunderbolts, and I think it would be a really great progression from his arc in FATWS, but something about Zemo leading the team would make it amazing
He has such a captivating presence and it would be really cool to see him interact with other villains and antiheroes and see Marvel do their take on the Suicide Squad
@@joshuarodriguez3671 As explained in the video, the Thunderbolts is NOT the Suicide Squad, completely different take, plus we know if Zemo leads it's gonna fall apart.
I agree if they do good things first
But latter Tbolts should start doing shady shit
I gotta think Songbird will be introduced in the Thunderbolts movie. She was basically a mainstay during the entire run of the original Thunderbolts series.
Rumor has it she will will be added in, and that Sadie Sink (Max Mayfield from stranger things) will be playing her. I hope to god it’s true
I like to think that the movie Overlord was the US Agents actual origin story. They found him in the rubble years later and were able to restore his body through nanotech/alien tech but he still needs to consume human flesh.
Another great video !!🔥🔥🔥
Great ideas, Ryan! Let's see where this story will go..
Thanks Ryan!
Walker isn't an idiot, he's smarter than people are willing to give him credit for, he’s certainly proven that in the comics and even in the MCU, if they'd all just worked together like he said they should do from the very beginning instead of busy with the internal clashes between each other over the shield, they'd have gotten Karli taken care of a lot earlier and with a lot less casaulties. It's not Walker who's an idiot but rather the story refuses to acknowledge his points because Sam and Bucky have to be the heroes of the story and be in the right, even if their "smart plan" was to break a murderous terrorist out of jail and get more people killed along the way.
In the mcu he's way far from being smart
@@nicomoremusic agreed, though he should be. Technically speaking, he was smarter, stronger, faster, better than every other soldier at everything and that's why he was picked to be the next Cap (they literally say he scored super high at every test in the series)
@@nicomoremusic In the MCU, he's actually pretty smart too, the show just refuses to accept his point of view as correct because they want Bucky and Sam to look smarter and more right. Walker's suggestions that they all work together is a smart move, Walker then recognizes that Sam and Bucky broke Zemo out when no one else does and lets them lead him to Karli, Walker also built his own shield. The only time that Walker made bad decisions was when his stress and temper got the best of him, which quite frankly, that's happened to a lot of MCU heroes, including Steve and even genius people like Tony.
@@federicamottadelli9333 He is actually stronger and faster than every other soldier, the only people that actually beat him are the Dora and super soldiers, which I doubt are things that he's been tested against since his tests would be against the average standard soldier levels. And he is smart too, but smartness only goes so far when people around you refuse to listen. Walker suggests from the very beginning for everyone to work together, yet Sam and Bucky were the ones who won't listen and actually ended up getting a lot of people killed in Madripoor. Walker also handles the shield well without super soldier serum so he's clearly able to do good physics and mathematical calculations in his head, heck, he bonked Zemo on the head with it and didn't somehow crack his skull open and only knocked him out, so clearly his math is on point.
I hope this all comes true and down the line I want a threat so big that they put more than 1 team in the same room to like strategize and the other team be like super heroes that haven’t forgave the thunderbolt characters yet and that banter back and forth
I think Ross is going to already be Red Hulk in this which would make a recast even easier. In Black Widow, Natasha mentions that he is sick, which is really eerie considering Hurt's passing. I think it signals that they've been hinting at Ross's transformation, he became Red Hulk in order to not die.
Nice video. I would want the Dark Avenger Sentry from the comics in the god role, but his story is so interesting and complicated he'd need an intro, and that slot in Guardians 3 has been taken by Adam Warlock. Norman's in the MCU now, he should head it up! His character is super interesting and one of the best parts of the Dark Avengers arc. And Venom, on the other hand, could probably just be brought in since 1) it's established that he's in the MCU and 2) the Sony movies did an okay job of setting him up, I guess.
Great spot to bring the Jon Bernthal’s Punisher back!
Yes
If you're going with characters from Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., you've got Deathlok, Franklin Hall (Graviton), and Robbie Reyes, as well.
Former General Glen Talbot was Graviton and was killed in the season 5 finale.
@@Lord-Emperor-Vader Thanks. I didn't make it all the way to season 5 (yet). My error.
@@rogueintellect Then sorry for spoiling it but the season aired around the time of Infinity War
@@Lord-Emperor-Vader No worries. I made it through the Terragenesis arc, and kinda lost interest during LMDs.
Love the theories...hope some come true 👍
“Aw man, the hammer drone killed taskmaster”
Crazy Hammer drone Hijinx
Sam Elliott being Thunderbolt Ross again is an casting decision I could really support.
Naa, too old
He’ll never do it. Too many “Gays” coming out in the MCU. After all there were never “Gay” cowboys
Doug nails his lines with such grace and precision
I just really wanna see Bullseye on the team. especially with Taskmaster. I would love to see a whole "anything you can do I can do better", kind of chemistry
Great video mate! So pumped for this movie. I really hope they knock it out of the park! Sam Rockwell have to come back in this
Ryan you’re the goat! 🐐
No mention of Echo from the Hawkeye series?
Zemo
Algorithmic engagement comment. Keep up the great videos!
Hammer would be awesome! Props for that idea. Malfunctioning Hammer drone would be cool
Like your idea sounds great
I know it's incredibly unlikely, but I'd love to see Deadpool and/or The Punisher on the team. Or at least be cameos!
you said everything out from my mind dude! what's not object!👍👍👍👍👍👍
Zemo I think would be a great leader
I would be so pumped for more Justin Hammer. Absolute highlight of Iron Man 2 for me.
I would also love to see Trish Walker in this as well
101 commentaries! Ok, yeah I'm thrilled. Bring it
I completely forgot Sam Elliott was Ross in Ang Lee's Hulk! That would be a very cheeky recasting. A team just named in his honor makes sense, tho. I'm so excited this got confirmed!!
Added Thunderbolts to my Watchlist already :)
I love the thunderbolts and having amazing characters like the ones you named form the team would be sooooooo coooool
To have stand ins for every original team member my lineup would be
Hulk-Abomination
Captain America-US Agent
Black Widow-Yelena
Hawkeye-Bullseye (hopefully he comes back with daredevil)
Iron Man-Hammer if they give him a suit
Thor-Skurge
That of course would pretty much be a dark avengers lineup so maybe to merge it more with the actual thunderbolts they’ll add some of these other members like taskmaster and/or ghost
Agree with Skurg. That would be hilarious. We should also have someone who doesn’t want to be on the team to become the villian or revealed to be a Skrull or secret agent for it.
I love how you roasted War Machine.
I would love to see Hayward get a chance to redeem himself. He definitely fits the mold of anti-hero. I'm not sure what his exact role would be, though. He did lead the efforts to build White Vision, so maybe he can be a tech guy.
Hayward is a 100 percent a villain in the MCU, If you calling him a "Anti-Hero", you mind as well call people like Dreykov, Pierce, and Ross Anti-heroes as well. He is no different then them and I can't stressed this enough he Stole Vis from either the Avengers or Wakanda.
Interesting take on the way the Thunderbolts should be portrayed. Personally I was thinking more in the vein of The Boys with most of the team. Propagandized to the public as heroes while being lecherous villains in private. Maybe that's where the split can come in team members like Yalena and Patriot really want to do good albeit with more viscious/brutal tactics than normal heroes. While Blomsky and Zemo some of the others are just there for the power/payday they're provided by being sponsored by the American Government, and are pulling villainous moves behind the scenes. Then it comes down to the good team members having to defeat the bad team members.
Brian Cox as Thunderbolt Ross... too good to be true
Zemo was a soldier. He was special forces for Sokovia.
ScreenCrush: I think Skurge will be excellent addition
MCU: *taking notes....
I’ve been waiting for a Dark Avengers situation in the MCU for a very long time. Kingpin could easily put Dex in a Hawkeye Costume given his current placement in the MCU. I can see Zemo getting an Iron Patriot/Citizen V type HAMMER suit but what i’m REALLY hoping for is Mac Gargan’s VENOM
Everyone wants to see Agent Venom in the MCU with the Thunderbolts even though he wasn’t there for very long. Gargan as a Thunderbolt was so much cooler and plus they can bring him in
I would like to se Trish Walker aka Hellcat from Jessica Jones
She is technically a villain now, and is in the Raft if I remember correctly but maybe she could be represented by She-Hulk also or be part of this team, either way I would like to see her return
Didn't know the dude from Walking Dead had a YT channel about the MCU. Good for him!
I don't know Bryan Cranston for Ross...? It popped in my head.
My thoughts 💭 I Like it! Sounds fun! Especially scurge, and yolana… I loke the whole team you laid out!
Would love to see Zemo undermining and trolling everyone, especially Hammer... and Bucky being too old for their shenanigans.
Great ideas. This new team could add some really nuanced and potentially dark stories to the main MCU.
I definitely want to see the punisher, Deadpool and Electra on the team. That run from the comics with them led by red hulk was epic.
We need the Master of Evil Siege of Avengers Mansion first. That's the context of the Thunderbolts
MCU
Major Comic Universe!!
I love that they are also doing separate groups in different places in the same universe...... Freaking brilliant!!
Agents of Shield is canon to me. I put it in my own mind that they started in 616 but when they got taken to the future they were moved to a parallel universe :)
No need to debate. It's canon. He just doesn't want to accept it.
When they said Inhumans were knwon by the world they became an alternative reality
My Thunderbolts team is: Zemo, John Walker, Yelena Belova, Emil Blonsky, and Ava Starr. Honorable mentions: Antonia Dreykov, Eric O’Grady, Parker Robbins, Bullseye, or Ezekiel Stane or Justin Hammer. Though Justin Hammer as Detroit Steel.
OOOOOO I would like to see Bullseye in this. I think he was well portrayed.
THANK YOU for not trying to trick us with a fake trailer.
Scourge and Hammer are SUCH good ideas, it’s unlikely but god I hope we see it
The fact that Leia didn't make her appearence at 1:14 has thrown off the rest of my day.
Love the idea of Skurg that would be perfect
1. Gorr the God Butcher (Thor)
2. Abomination (Hulk)
3. Zemo (Iron Man)
4. U.S. Agent (Captain America)
5. Bullseye (Hawkeye)
6. Yelena Belova (Black Widow)
This Movie Needs a ‘Civil War’ like Tone, Russo’s should direct this one.
Edit: For anyone who’s thinking ‘Gorr is too out of reach, Thor probably kills him’. To them, I’d like to point out that Thor has become more Merciful and would probably spare Gorr after defeating him. Thor would then drop Gorr into one of New Asgard’s prisons. Later, Gorr somehow escapes gets new powers (courtesy of Valentina), and joins the thunderbolts. The rest are on earth and reachable.
Using Sam Rockwell’s Justin Hammer again is a MUST & this style of the Thunderbolts would be great place for that. Hear me out on this one though, bring Karl Urban back but as Beetle/Mach-I. He leaves the helmet on basically the whole time (ala his performance in Dredd) & there could even be some fun had between him & Rockwell’s Hammer since Mach-I gets on the team in the comics by stealing Hammer tech.
You should apply for a job with the studio, they need to hear this. 👍
3:08 I totally agree. Even for Chadwick Bozeman. I mean he's a great actor and all but I'm sure he'd love to have other black actors to have the same opportunity as he is to play T'Challa. He's a comic book character, he doesn't need to die off screen just because the actor died. Honestly part of me just want more T'Challa :(
Ross was great! Love how as soon as he had UN sign the accord, he just made up orders for the Avengers on the spot, without checking with the UN. Classic superpower!
With them making a thunderbolts and also seemingly collecting young avengers. I think it will be more dark avengers than thunderbolts, leading to a dark avengers Vs young avengers.
After the D23Expo Thunderbolts announcement - what if Marvel is going to Suicide Squad the Thunderbolts? As you said, the only one with powers is Ghost, otherwise you have spies and super soldiers. If this team went up against most MCU Villains (Ultron, Mysterio, Abomination, Kaecilius, Xu Wenwu . . . even Aldrich Killian) they would be torn to shreds. Most of the line-up is expendable. I could see everyone dying in that line-up short of Yelena with a heart felt emotional death moment for Red Guardian. That'd be an amazing movie. Who is that villain?!? : )
Liked!
With the post credits scene from No Way Home, we could see Agent Venom come into the Thunderbolts
I think punisher would also be a great addition to the team, would love to see an appearance from red hulk as well, maybe he could be the main villain?
I hope to see more Taskmaster, Winter Soldier, War Machine, White Vision, Red Hulk, Abomination, Red She Hulk, Iron Patriot Scarlet Witch, Moonstone, Venom, Wasp, Ghost, Elektra, Iron Fist, Bullseye, and Yelena.
I did not even recognize Karl Urban is Skurge and the Boys. That sounds awesome and he’s a great actor
I don’t care for Zemo and US Agent
I have a question on MCU time travel logic, so if someone travels to the future and back can they prevent it, for example lets say in the test run for time travel Tony travels a year into the future to see if they won and sees that Quentin Beck has exposed Peter is Spider-Man so in his message at the end of Endgame he say don't trust Beck because he is a fraud then Beck only knows Peter has the glasses but doesn't know he is Spider-Man so he can't expose him and No Way Home does not happen since Peter knows not to trust him and Fury would tell Talos not to trust him. I have a theory that Hulk was only right about Quantum Time Travel which is used to pull you back to your point in time with no changes because you are following Quantum Physics. Or Tony invented multiverse travel and since the sacred timeline still existed the timelines would all be similar and could have just started a few years before. Also if Deadpool 3 will be in the MCU then that means the events of 1 and 2 did happen and the more classic time travel rules apply since we saw that in the film.
It would be a cool take if they turned Betty Ross into the Red Hulk. I mean there is also an understandable explanation for her to go villian and that's being that she watched her father go crazy chasing after super heroes it eventually got the best of him and being the Red Hulk is her revenge.
What if Glenn Talbot (Played by Josh Lucas in Hulk, Adrian Pasdar in AoS) Co-Founded the THUNDERBOLTS in honor of his mentor Gen./Secretary Thaddeus E. "Thunderbolt" Ross, who died from his heart condition in Infinity War. He is the right hand man of Ross in the comics and rival to bruce over Betty Ross (Plot twist is he's the mcu Red Hulk)
Tony Dalton's Swordsman would be a good addition too.
Block Rumlow aka Crossbones is in the mcu to.