Jingliu Keeps Getting Worse | Honkai Star Rail
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I'd say she's best kept for warming the bench but. . .
How so? She is a Ice DP- oh wait
Oh dude u got it wrong. Mr king told me chicken wing boy is going to be an ice healer.
She can't even do that, Misha can slam Aventurine with his freeze so may a new ice 5 star come because I skipped her.
@@albanthedemonking1076 I'm still using my Herta against ice week, like tbh anyone is fine if its on element so i just have a dps of every element built and im fine. i think the META units are okay without e1 or s1 off element. nobody wants to admit this games meta is dolphin comps or rock paper scissors for some reason.
Shocker. The Ice dps is better against Ice weak enemies 💀
real
Crazy, considering how she was hyped up to be the "Untouchable Bruteforce Unit" for all of time 😂
man youtube really needs to bring back the feature to see how many dislikes a video has because im sure as hell this video has more dislikes then likes with only 572 in 11k views
The Ratio is 79% likes with 21% dislikes
Keep being pissy cause Jingliu is a dog shit character. Meanwhile, imma go back to enjoying how fucking right I am, and continue to be.
@@XgoSolo surprising since most your comments is literally disagreeing with your claim of jingliu being worst
@@sypers_syrup Tectone Agrees with me, and so do the Facts~
The comments DO agree with me by the way~ not that you’d know that of course. You don’t have a list of all of them in chronological order with associated like counts.
Again. My takes are like a finnneee wine. They only get *BETTER*
I’ll bookmark this comment so I can hit you with the, “I told you so” when she doesn’t get any better in the next 6 months
@@XgoSolo well no shit power creep exists no one stays the best dps ever 💀
@@sypers_syrup and after 6 months, she’s bad!
Glad we came to a understanding on this
One of the main reasons she was so busted on release was the consistent amount of flat atk and crit rate she gave herself. However as more dps chars gave more stats to themselves, that became obsolete. She also has no downsides to fix, DHIL has sparkle to make him more consistent, DoT got BS and Ruan Mei. FUA just got robin. Acheron will likely get a support given how popular she is and cause there aren’t many support focused nihility characters. Jinglui has no flaws and therefore can’t improve over time. Metas not been kind to her with it focusing less on hypercarry and more on ‘Gimmicky’ teams like break, FUA and DoT.
What do you mean no flaw, her core gameplay is a major flaw in itself. The state she has, and the downtime is so bad, and revealed by the Aventurine boss.
@@senelclark101 Most characters have some form of downtime, Acheron recharges ult, DoT needs to reapply and build up, Topaz needs to build ult to enhance Numby. Granted the dps difference in uptime and downtime is much less than Jingliu re gaining Syzygy but is solved via the Jingliu E to Bronya E combo. However, because the Adventurine boss pulls Jingliu forwards, it messes up her speed tuning while taking a stack. If any other boss has a mechanic like Adventurine, Jingliu will suffer there. Pre-Adventurine boss, Jingliu has very little to no flaws. Her downtime is easily sorted out but aforementioned Bronya combo and her drain is negligible enough to not be a problem as everyone just dies. Of course, she’s struggling now with the increasing health pools and bosses with newer mechanics like Adventurines pull forward.
Her kit's flaw is her Advance Forward. It ruins the buff uptime of characters like Bronya & Sparkle, who are her best supports for lowering her downtime. If you've ever dreamed, her Advance Forward used to be an Extra Turn, which does NOT waste Bronya & Sparkle's buff.
The problem with Jingliu is that all of her synergistic teammates are very sought after by every other teams. Grabbing all of them for just one side of MoC heavily limits your other side, which is what holding her back. It's not Jingliu herself, but the current state of your account's rosters.
Of course, this will be easily fixed the more characters they release even if they don't directly synergize with her:
More characters = More options for other teams = Jingliu's best teammates won't be contested.
She does have a massive downside and that is the fact that she needs two separate turns to get two turns of damage which is not great for MOC unless you have a bronya and even then it's not great because you'll need at least 3 skill points to get her up and running
For example my jing has 3k atk 250crit dmg and gets 83 crit rate when in her state but I still struggle with her single target dmg sometimes she does 80k sometimes she does 40k
So the thing is the moment i have seen the jinliu kit, The first thing i thought of is sub dps, her skill points efficiency is amazing, if you have seen major destruction units have hp mechanics. so if a unit that can be triggered with her hp draining like blade but better is released
just imagine jinliu as sub dps where other unit paired with her is doing more damage than her!!. so there are so much open room for improvement
Thats why i hate dhil no such sub dps option in future he is forever bound to hyper carry solo dps.
Jingliu aged like milk. She has her best supports and is getting dogwalked by Acheron with 4 star debuffer and a sustain. And now here's FF, who has the most accessible and strongest team by far with the exclusion of Ruan Mei, easily breaks any shield and only needs 3 stats to actually do damage, BE, Spd, and ATK and deals higher damage than a fully buffed Jingliu can ever dream off.
Me when i spread misinformation on the internet:
me when i hate-watch a video and get pissed of by said video:
Me when I cope my queen isn’t the best
Jingliu, Blade, DHIL, and Jing Yuan are gonna be forced to reconcile now 💀💀💀
I like how Jing Yuan has been getting indirect buffs every patch.
blade is still fun, i like to play with him 😁
This is why u should never pull a character for meta
When jingliu came out she was the best dmg dealer
But if u pull for the character u like and have fun with it
@@kimihikokimizuka2165 there is literally no gacha character that has staying power. "Pulling for fun" Is so subjective you might as well say as "Im a mintpicker" to any question at all.
I feel that the Jingliu + Blade combo might get a comeback sometime in the future if only there is a support that can make that happen...
Bronya is a hyper carry support.
Robin is the ultimate FuA support.
Sparkle being QQ's, DHIL and Clara's best buddy.
And Ruan Mei and Harmony MC being the break specialist supports we all love to use.
If a support character comes around that can boost Duo dps team than a Jingliu + Blade combo may become the meta again
But hey, I don't care about 0 cycle.... As long as I can clear MoC content within 8 cycles, I am happy
I am expecting Acheron to be power creeped within 8 months cause thats what Mihoyo has been doing since release of HSR...
This video was made by an enigmata follower-
I forgot how cruel the moving goalpost can be.
that's gatcha games for ya BABYYYYY
@@XgoSoloNoted.
Preservation Trailblazer (don't have Pela because I have other priorities)
Acheron
Tingyun
Gallagher
Isn't going to hold for long...
@@gl1tchbugit won’t hold long because you aren’t using any nihility for Acheron :\
I'm happy, Midliu bye
@@gl1tchbug switch trailblazer to harmony and replace Tingyun with a nihility unit ( Guinaifen, Sampo, Black Swan, Kafka or Welt) and you have a team that will hold longer.
honestly if you compare this to genshin, jingliu having free stats and a lot of advantages because every enemy was weak to her at some point. She's more like ganyu in the sense that she was only good because even with low investment she was a monster, she was only overpowered at the time because you didnt have to build her that well and her damage at low investment was strong enough to compete against dhil just because they were weak to ice.
and we keep saying powercreep comes every banner lmao
I think she's in a really awkward state rn cuz of the game's inclination towards break content and electro weak enemies. What made JINGLIU so good is the fact that every enemy was weak to ice. They've been pumping out bosses with huge ice Rez and no ice weakness.
@@imnotreanalbertospynotatal6968 I mean let's be real for a second, even if the devs decide to bring back ice weak enemies that wouldn't make Jingliu any better just because her kit is so straightforward that there's no room for improvement. Her dmg has been powercrept several times by now and she doesn't possesses anything that implies she'll get a good support in the future unlike someone like Acheron or Dr. Ratio for exemple who are going to get buffed when more debuff based units will be released.
Also it really feels like the game is leaning toward new niche teams archetypes and hybrid units with intricate mechanics. I feel sorry for Jingliu fans but they have to realize that she doesn't have her place in the meta anymore (i wouldn't say she's bad, you can still clear with her nowadays but she has definitly fell off a long time ago even tho some say she's still top tier).
@@isekaineko3103 Of course other units are going to power creep her damage when she hasn't had a good MoC since 1.6. her DMG is still one of the best and she is one of little units that can brute force non weak enemies. The game is leaning more to break which means eventually we'll get an ice break unit that will inevitably make her better since break units tend to follow the trend of applying their own weaknesses basically having a more consistent silver wolf. There is also freeze that might get something in the future (maybe DMG increase against frozen enemies) that will also make her much much more viable since she's the best unit for rememberance gameplay. And finally, any support that will cater to erudition characters (maybe energy regen or AoE DMG I crease) will only benefit her.
People really are wrong when they think JINGLIU reached her limit (maybe her DMG did) but her utility and consistency can still be improved on. She might also become really good with future hp drain units since she works wonderfully with blade
@@imnotreanalbertospynotatal6968 I get your point but remember that we are talking meta wise, and so best in slot units (cause once again i didn't say she was bad). That means even if we get an ice breaker (maybe sakura hmmmmm) Jingliu wouldn't bring the most value to the team considering you probably want to run a sustain, ruan mei as she's the best support for breakers as of today and either harmony mc, another break buffer if they decide to release one or a support that grants advance, leaving once again no room for her.
In the end you can decide to play pretty much anyone in any teams and have fun theory crafting and stuff, but if we're talking performances, there will always be a better option than Jingliu.
She has fell off that's a fact and i invite you if you want to and if you still remember about this comment, to disprove me with official evidences if she becomes meta again in the future (we're not talking about some random moc where she performs decently but a brand new team comp featuring her)
@@imnotreanalbertospynotatal6968 today you can even bring firefly to any bosses
And then there's me not understanding why anyone would bang their head against a wall bringing their Ice DPS against enemies not weak to ice. Like if your entire argument is that she fell off against enemies that aren't weak to ice, yet she's completely fine against Ice-weak enemies, this just seems like user error. You brought charmander into Misty's gym (water type) and expected to win then made a rant video after it couldnt get past her Staryu.
I was sitting here listening to this video wondering what DPS came after Jingliu that powercrept her besides literally just Acheron. Argentina? No shot anyone in their right mind would say he powercrept Jingliu. DHIL? He came out BEFORE her, that is NOT powercreep and it irks me every time people throw that word around willynilly.
The meta changed? There used to be a huge meme in the community that every MoC no matter what the enemies are, Jingliu mains are there clearing it without issue. Now we're finally getting enemies that just so happen to not be weak to ice and here we are getting ridiculous videos like this.
Before Acheron came, I used Jingliu exclusively for Gold and Gears and Swarm Disaster clears. For remembrance runs I still will. For anything that's weak to Ice, I still will be using the best Ice DPS. My DHIL does similar damage to my Jingliu. My jingliu is e0s1 while my DHIL is e2s1 but the thing is i don't do something stupid and bring my jingliu in against Sam or the new penacony weekly boss or anything else that isnt already weak to Ice. The point about her not getting any support is ridiculous too as if RM with penacony set didn't just come out not all that long ago.
I just think this is the most wild video, when if this was really a thing, all the desperate for drama clickbait youtubers would be making shitty videos like this one.
Yeah didn’t really get a lot of points in the vid. They were either problems every dps shared, user issues, benefits disguised as problems or wrong in some areas. I could dissect all of them but supports was a big one.
She doesn’t have a best support but by no means requires one. The cheapest being bronya or even tingyun plus a flex, mean while DHIL needs sparkle, break needs HMC/RM, FUA robi yet she’s still competing with these without her so called BiS support (except Acheron).
Also there are more and more supports that do things based on THEIR turn not the dps. Though they maybe already paired with some specialised teams they are the current and future of potential buffs she has and will get more of.
Sure some scenarios are coming out that may make her more difficult to use. But as a package e0s0 there’s no other dps I would recommend bar our queen Acheron.
All in all I think it’s more other characters are getting better but she has always been appropriately rated.
People seem to forget that RM, Huo Huo, Ting is the best JL team.
I just don't LIKE HOW EVERY FKN DPS IS RELIANT ON RUAN MEI'S EXISTENCE RAAH.
@@imnotreanalbertospynotatal6968 I’d argue bronya is better for her than Tingyun. Bronya allows her to have 0 downtime
@@LeoDragoGR but bronya doesn't extend her state and is more SP hungry. + Her buffs are kinda awkward with JINGLIU, at least when she enters her state
@@imnotreanalbertospynotatal6968 the trade of to extending it is she gets into her transmigration state immediately after leaving it and her energy gains are very competitive w Tingyuns whether you enter the battle w Jingliu’s ult rdy or not since you are attacking a lot. Plus at max traces bronya gives incredibly good crit dmg bonuses and dmg bonuses. Only thing is you have to invest in bronyas crit dmg. If you rock 2 other SP positive characters you’ll be fine since Jingliu is SP positive as well
Tingyun is great but really extends Jinglius downtimes when she reaches them. But Tbf you can rock both her and bronya w Jingliu
I watched both your videos and still don't really agree. I feel like you spend a lot of time trying to convince people of your point this time by just talking about credentials and stuff that wouldn't really matter in practice
For example "taking away pela from acheron, tingyun from daniel, or ruan mei from DoT" isn't really that big of a deal. Maybe when we have to start running 4 teams for a game mode it'll matter, but you can just take away the one that matters the least to your other teams. And this team building dillema isn't exclusive to Jingliu at all. Sparkle is really good on Jing yuan, DHIL, Seele, and QQ comps (and a bunch of other characters you could theoretically run as hypercarries if you really want). Whether or not these characters are worse because they share a BIS support doesn't really matter, the point is just that this isn't exclusive to Jingliu at all
What you fail to mention though is at this point, Jingliu has effectively almost cost free access to bronya due to better options being available for other characters. I know the point is to make Jingliu look bad here, but it just feels dishonest when you only bring up how she takes characters away from other teams and not how she can actually help free up team slots for your other team
Another thing is that the aventurine boss may take away a turn of transmigration, but he also fully restores energy, which gives jingliu an extra turn. I found personally she was actually fine against that boss. I don't know why it took you over 10 cycles to clear
6:08 Jingliu doesn't need a healer. You were just using aventurine in the previous clip and surviving fine. Aventurine against sam performs the same as he does against his boss variant. If sam was ice weak, you could easily use aventurine with jingliu and do well because sam has a similar amount of aoe attacks (Sam not being ice weak is the only actual issue that I agree with). More importantly though, this is also an issue nowhere near exclusive to Jingliu. Taking Black swan to non wind weak content reduces her damage massively. Kafka against non lightning weak content does the same thing. Xueyi against non quantum weak enemies does significantly worse. It feels like you are presenting things that are just game mechanics that apply to every character as flaws with Jingliu. And Jingliu has an easier time brute forcing non ice weak content than a lot of other characters do
7:15 Your argument the whole video has been your own Jingliu struggling to clear and then claiming it's a problem with the character. This seems kind of ironic and strange to say
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"bro really typed all that"
Yeah, I think when people get something wrong it's fine to correct them as long as you do it civilly. I don't hate you or anything (if I did I wouldn't bother taking the time to write this), I just think you have a strange flawed take that's brought about by your own bad experiences rather than looking at the facts of the matter and how Jingliu actually compares to the rest of the cast. People aren't just making up their good clears with Jingliu and while waifu bias is a thing, but it's not why people recommend her. Topaz wasn't exactly highly recommended by even the Topaz fanclub until follow up characters became more prominent for example
People think Jingliu is good because all evidence points towards Jingliu being good
I’d rather not build 30 characters just to make one team use all the best supports to be viable than the others 🤷
Since you typed all that I will entertain your comment civilly.
6:08 that teams didn’t have Bronya. With her the shield would have disappeared in 1-2 turns causing skill point issues
Bronya still isn’t a good Support due to the buff lasting one turn, and Jingliu having an action forward. However, due to sparkles diminishing returns and lack of 100% uptime, Bronya is still the best.
The strict skill point structure means you have to run Luocha as your sustain when his benefits for her aren’t amazing beyond SP
Bronya is a hard character to obtain. At any given time to have a 1/7 or 1/14 chance of getting her upon loosing a 50/50 or getting a 5 star in standard. Again though, her Sig and E1 are needed for SP neutral play which hardly anyone is able to obtain reasonable. This is a problem since Bronya is BiS
She hasn’t gotten any good supports since her release. Nor are their any in the files
She can’t clear any side game mode comfortably such as Swarm, Golden gears, or Pure fiction. Runs end up taking longer on average
7:15 My Jing-Liu is my oldest Character. First 5 star on my account. I’ve been building her off and on for 8 months. If mine can’t clear comfortably then I highly doubt the average players will as crit rate stats are infamously hard to roll
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On top of all of this
Jingliu has many issues her future supports will need to work around.
Her migration isn’t a resurgence and chews through buff durations, meaning you will need buffs scaling on ally turns
Her absurd Crits stats makes Crit buffers almost obsolete on her
Being an ice Unit means her break effect is the second worst type in the game and deals negligible dmg
She doesn’t inflict any debuffs for bonus damage nor does she have any supportive traits beyond selfish buffs
Actions forward buffs don’t carry over upon going into the stat, loosing dmg
Ultimate Dmg buffs won’t work since her ult isn’t cast enough to be worthwhile
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Without any new supports to fix her issues, she is hard locked to her current power level and will only get worse with time.
However, supports that fix these issues will be equally as overpowered on any other character.
Ex: Two turn AV buffs, Defense shred, Dmg vulnerability, ER increases, etc
she’s a victim of her own kit. Which. Shouldn’t be surprising giving her current kit being a last minute change. Here in a few months the flaws will only become more apparent, I assure you.
NUCLEAR ESSAY
Her being next to DHIL in Prydwen really does feel like a crime
My Jingliu's doing well with classic 4 stars supports, stop whining.
Proffesional hater bro thinks he is kendrick
the distrack is next
@@XgoSolo cooking 3 star Michelin
Bro is not me
Makes sense. I've had her for montus and now she started feeling underwhelming in newer content lmao
Bro thinks he's him with the yapping 8 hours discord call credentials but then says he can't clear MOC in 10 cycles with JL. I don't have JL so I've got no horse in this race but even if she fell off you should be able to clear in 10 cycles that just sounds like mad skill issues.
Luck ain’t skill ya goblin
@@XgoSolo bruh the delusion
u are saying that she is not good, if u mean that "she is not good she is mid" i would agree with that, since there are multiples teams that are better than her, but if u are saying that "she is not good she is bad" then i would desagree, because u can still clear all the content with her comfortably and she is still better then multiple others dps
I agree i use her as main dps because she's the only good option i have
Bro just sux at moc and decide to blame it on Jing Lui.
Who the heck is jing lui? You have an unreleased character or something?😭😭
so Sunday is Ice Hunt or Erudition?, hoping erudtion with follow up attacks and some debuffs so we have the sister/brother combo and ratio stonks increasing
Herta powercreep is something they prob want to push
Bruh the source of that info is a chatter on twitch. "Omg guys this character who hasn't even been released is gonna be powercreep jingliu and therefore she is obselete now!!" Oh no, an older character being powercrept by a newer one, what a strange concept.
He’s not wrong lol, the main thing holding her back is lack of ice bosses/enemies, and a tailored support. She’s still very good
That wouldn't mean fell off in my view. Endgame modes in gacha games are usually tailored for whatever character is out right now, and whatever character will take over right after. So of course she isn't the best right now when there's been no Ice characters lately. I honestly find the whole rank by endgame a very toxic and stupid practice. Characters should be ranked by fixed metrics not at the whims of the marketing department.
@@bloody4558yeah we’re about to see a lot of physical, fire, and quantum enemies. since firefly, jade, and boot hill coming to game.
@@freezybreezy1001Yunli and the foxian dude too. I'm sad cuz physical, fire and quantum are the only elements I'm lacking in
They are not toxic, they are just making fun of people like you who take a bait @@bloody4558
Jingliu pro n cons from my opinion.
Pros
- Very high atk
- free crit rate
- Easy to build
Cons
- Hp sucking mechanic
- Despite of high atk she suffer from lower scaling
- bcs of high atk therefore she might suffer from diminishing return
- Limited time dps
You know, the more time that goes along the more I’m regretting pulling jingliu. I pulled her on her rerun after getting aventurine and maybe I should have pulled his e1 or saved more for robin (who I lost on). I agree with a lot of points here. I find her fun at least but who knows how long that will last before I get bored of her ever decreasing damage output? I suppose I’ll just pull a better dps eventually since I don’t care that much about moc or pure fiction.
She is not bad, Hoyoverse is just changing the metà by adding broken characters and comps, but with her u can still easily clear everything
@@thorkingmaya3684 I am aware, but robin would have probably had more value for my account due to the amount of follow up attackers I have
Jingliu main since I saw her trailer she’s why I like the game😔 jingliu forever meta
Is she as strong as she used to be? No. Does that mean she is bad? Also no. She's still by far the easiest crit character to build. Additionally your point about how JL takes away supports from other comps that would better utilize them implies that people have those DPS characters, which is often not the case. If JL can't perform to an acceptable level cause her supports are better off on other comps then it isn't an issue for people who don't have those DPS characters to begin with.
its hilarious how jing yuan gets better every patch
IKR
True and Real.
jing yuan is ageing like wine
Jingliu fell off relatively to 1.x but Jing Yuan even with all these units that "buffed" him is still worse than her.
Jingliu at e0s1 could still 0 cycle MoC Aventurine, the only bosses Jing Yuan can 0c at that investment are single phase bosses.
It's an interesting problem for a character to have for sure, as sad as it is for people who like her a lot, how essentially her problem is that she's already reached her peak so how much higher can you really go from there? Sure she can reach a bit higher with some help but you'd need so much to really make such a significant difference especially in a game where your team slots are limited that at that point why not just use someone else who has a higher ceiling but just couldn't reach it without some outside help?
She does have a ceiling she hasn't reached yet. She can be a good enabler for HP drain Teams, she works wonderfully with ER regen Teams, she works wonderfully with Freesze teams, she works wonderfully as a hyper carry as is.
4:17
No way this is true.
Leaks are saying he's IMG Harmony.
Haven't used jingliu since penacony dropped especially since i have a good dot team and arcehron i dont even use her in with remembrance rather use march and herta💀
We did it DHIL fans. We won the war.
We always were the winners
we never lose
Waiting until people realize that they can't make another character like Sparkle so if Jingliu is falling off so is he
@@Hououin818 he still doesnt have a dedicated basic ATK/SP relic set, nor a basic ATK buffer so hes got way more room to grow considering you can have 100% uptime on him, you cant on jingliu unfortunately
@@pally3370If he uses an basic atk buffer he can't use Tingyun which cut down his ult time significantly especially if you have e2 dhil, plus that lack of ult will also increase his sp issue because Sparkle doesn't solve it, she only make using him easier
As a E0S1 Jingliu haver, she still can do things but I won't lie.
The fact that she doesn't have a tailored support, has a great power but with very low ceiling and that DOT teams are really favoritized since the beginning of Penacony (seriously, each mob has a wind or thunder weakness recently), made her fall behind quite a bit.
But if a harmony 5* being focused on HP consumption which boosts all the team gets released, a Blade/Jingliu/new harmony/Luocha team will go stonks.
personally me, her damage and def ignore at s1 got me through fights so fast regardless of what penacony had
@@solarenity I can believe that but personally, I have a Kafka and BS being E1S1 so let's say that Penacony was a piece of cake for me XD
Who cares if she's not as good? As long as a team clears MOC with 3 stars it doesn't matter how many cycles it takes, whether it be 1 or 10. Some characters will be better at different times, and that's fine.
As a former Jingliu main, with her signature lightcone, %42 cr %132 cd, 133 speed, 2600 atk and her best team possible...
I can confirm how fucking true this is.. So far, I barely see 200ks with my Jinglius ult and 100ks with her skill, while my firefly does 300k each turn and has 4 turns😭
Even if it is for fun and that no one actually gives a shit, I’d still like to point out that my Jingliu has been used twice in the last 2 months, and that was with last MoC with the Aventurine boss and the one stage in the current MoC. It’s ridiculous on how this character did fall hard in the current meta 😂
@@Borovski213 don't forget we're getting more weakness appliers , which makes older/weaker characters even more forgettable
@@felipetomaz1087eh it just makes them more viable since you literally have a pocket SW with you. Dual DPS teams are good especially with Ruan mei. An ice applier DPS would be such an upgrade for JINGLIU it would probably make her meta again
If Dan Heng is a humanoid long-life species with draconic features descended from Long, the deceased Aeon of Permanence. A strong dps and part of astral express crew. Then, how about Sunday?
If Aventurine as sigonian get blessing (from Aeon Order) make him so lucky, then what about the "Descendant" ?
Sunday, the benevolent and self-disciplined head of the Oak Family. I can't wait to see what the Sunday can do. Robin is doing pretty good as harmony character.
This entire 10 minutes was one of the most self-incriminating skill issue video I've seen in a while 😂
I'm going to put my two cents here as a Jingliu Main. Yes, she has recently been feeling worse. Her biggest problem is her multipliers being balanced around her giving herself a ton of attack and crit. This means there are very little stats she benefits from. It's mainly just damage bonus and def shred. I run her with her Signature LC, Bronya with Sig, Tingyun/Pela and Huohuo, she still feels on Avg worse than my DHIL when I'm trying to brute force content (I have very few element DPSs). My DHIL has Herta shop LC, Sparkle with Sig, Tingyun and Luocha, He performs quite a bit better. For example he takes Max 4 cycles in MOC in non imaginary weak, and 2 in imaginary. weak. Jingliu takes like 5 minimum and took 5 against Aventurine who is literally ice weak, the whole stage was Ice weak last MoC, still 5 cycle
Her having downtime, and idk why but feeling very bad in single target are her biggest issues. I feel if she gets some supports that give dmg bonus, have aura skill like Ruan mei, give def shred and reward HP manipulation then she will become quite a bit better, until then honestly, she'll slowly get powercrept.
(I think Bronya is still holding her back, Bronya's action advance and dmg bonus are good... Her skill is not the problem. But the Bronya ult buff are so small, I never see the difference. We need Bronya but with a better ultimate)
Idk i don't feel that she's underperforming or worse than what she's been when she first came out though the inflated HP pools of elites will begin to rear it's ugly head from time to time. I run HuoHuo, Ting, Ruan Mei/Bronya with her & the main purpose of the team is to keep Jingliu in her enhanced state as long as possible. At worst depending on RNG a 2-3 cycle clear is possible. Can it feel less optimal at times, absolutely (if the enemies don't hit her as much) to get her ult up again.
I think XgoSolo is overreacting much about Jingliu being not that good in fights that don't have Ice weakness....well obviously she's going to struggle. In fights with Ice weakness & her being the only viable Ice dps she still does the job.
Her issues as well as all the other Destruction characters is that they feel not as 'fun' as it will take more effort than say DoT, Follow up or the eventual Superbreak teams to achieve similar results. DHIL is not as fun without Sparkle, Blade underperforms cause his damage is just not up to par, Jingliu has her issues, everyone is ragging on Firefly even before she is out & she's another Destruction character.
Easily the best ice dps character though
Yeah. Because there's no other limited ice dps 😂
as someone who got fomo'd into pulling jingliu and her lc bcs people kept saying shes better than dhil, best dps (second to acheron)
i can say that shes not breaking any records😅 "just use bronya" yeah, thats the problem, i don't have bronya and using sparkle w her feels so bad bcs her advanced forward eats her ult buff like a buffet. (i don't have ruanmei btw)
pulling before her lc, she feels a little underwhelming and i thought.. hey, what if i pulled her sig? i did, yeah her dmg improved but i came to realise that a unit's strenght shouldnt be tied up to a paywall. i felt a need to pull her bcs ppl hyping how her barrier to entry was low plus this moc is ice weak but, i don't have bronya and ruanmei, wheres this "low barrier to entry"?
all and all in my expirience w her, shes good but ppl kept overrating her. shes not better than dhil in any universe, even before sparkle his sp management isnt that bad where as jingliu's out of state form isnt fixable if you don't have bronya.
Do you know that Acheron, the "best DPS" in game, it's not that good without her sign weapon right? Jingliu can have a 5 star stat lightcone easily from the Herta Market
@@thorkingmaya3684 my point is not her lc or acheron, but her ease of use feels clunky if youre a person without bronya (thats why i pulled her sig so she would do more dmg)
and the herta market lc, yeah i used that thing before jingliu's sig, but just bcs you get that weapon easily doesnt mean its any good (jingliu overcaps on atk)
@@thorkingmaya3684 GSW is just fine lmao and even with JL with her LC is not close to a well built Acheron with S5 GNSW. That's when Acheron has no best support for her while JL has bronya and Ryan mei (3even pela if you want 3 buffers)
i agree with you… so many people say jingliu better than dhil.. in what world? Dhil has no downtime… he only has downtime if your dumb and use too much skillpoints.
FUCKKKKKKLKKLLLLLLKKKKKKKK I WASN'T EXPECTING A SPOILER OUT OF NOWHERE 😢😢😢
As a person who relied solely on her in the past, and now who uses many other units these days, I hate to admit, but I have to agree with you. She’s hitting like a wet noodle, and she needs a major buff.
you know there aren't buffs in this game, would have to release a support that makes her much better, but could be hard doing it while not increasing the rest too making the situation the same
The only reason i still wanna pull on her because my only ice dps is herta (i won't build misha till E4)
5:54 Nah bruh das crazy you just have dogshit investment if you can’t even clear Aventurine within 10 cycles with her respectfully I don’t even have her lightcone or Bronya+HuoHuo and I don’t even farm for her relics cause ice cavern is mid and I don’t wanna cope with Quantum set so my crit stats are fucking ass but was still able to do it with 7 She’s not as Braindead OP as she used to be but even without insane investment she can still clear content as an Ice DPS if you have her. She’s already been out for a while so I personally wouldn’t recommend pulling for her anymore unless you really like her design cause a new Ice/any DPS can easily powercreep her and unless they make a support, relic set, lightcone that works insanely well with her specifically she’s going to remain low priority. Anyways just use best girl Acheron for gg ez side clears
I love Jingliu, that’s why I invested in eidolons so she doesn’t fall off too soon, mine is E3 and I’m waiting for her next rerun so I can try summoning for her E6. So far, I can still clear all 12 MoCs even against bosses who doesn’t have ice weakness or have resistance to ice.
What team you use brother?
I have jingliu with 30% crit rate - 227% crit dmg.
Can u share her team?
true. my top10% aeon jingliu on seeleland still struggles to clear aventurine. took her 7 cycles on her best team
maybe make a support like furina. the more dmg is deal when the team heals or lose hp. or make a support that use a lot of sp. that would be perfect for jingliu and blade. who is daniel?
Noooooooooo. Jingliu didn't get worse anymore 😭😭😭😭
has bro never used jingliu with sparkle?
5:10
saying that pela/tingyun/ruanmei is not practical is a really bad argument, all these characters have at least 1 replacement that can be used on the second team, especially now with 3 limited harmony units and duo dps meta. and arguably, jingliu sees the most benefit from both tingyun and pela for her passive uptime and ice respen.
7:10
jingliu is also arguably the dps that "works by itself" the most compared to every other dps because of her base crit values.
most of this video is proclaiming to be right with minimal arguments being made, and the arguments aren't all that convincing.
disclaimer: i don't have jingliu, no sunken cost
Mfs really be using one point as invalidation for an entire argument.
News flash, this video has better reception that the sensible one
@@XgoSolo the only point i agree with is that she can't make optimal use of the new supports. you also compare her with dhil vs. sam, but sam's weak to imaginary and has a unique sp mechanism that dhil can exploit so it's not really fair, and jl can def clear sam because outgoing healing % mitigates healing reduction. jl has lost value but i think the point is a bit overstated, she's still a top dps worth investing for anyone who has her.
😂😂😂 just because bro has a poorly built jing liu and skill issue he turns into a hater and goes on a sulky rant
She’s just underwhelming now. It’s not really an argument, it’s just facts. Until Moc gets more ice and better supports release, then she is far behind the others now.
Your puns are fun to listen to.
And they said white people aren’t funny.
If only ma could see me now
bro cooks like raiden
Tbh, I feel like this is more so a consequence of the way MOC is changing. It's not even just that JL is super weak in these past MOCs, but the MOCs have just been getting progressively more difficult till now, where the player base is feeling it the most. Personally this has been the most difficult MOC regardless of elemental matching or team composition, these bosses just have so much health compared to the other MOC's prior which I was able to complete 100% with relative challenge.
Once a five-star ice erudition comes out, Jingliu is done for.
You mean destruction? Erudition is realistically only viable in Pure fiction
Yeah. I didnt pull her.
She was a easy skip back in 1.4 and shes much easier to skip now.
Only pull the DPS characters you actually like.
Have you used Blade with Jingliu? He is ironically her best teammate. We are waiting for more in the hp-consumption meta characters to release dedicated to them.
Jade 🙌
We need Sunday to come out as an ice hunt fr
hsr is a single player game, you can just play however you want, you don't really have to follow what is meta or not, as long as you're having fun.
@hanging_with_my_normies916🤡
meta or bandwagon?@hanging_with_my_normies916
I finally got past MoC 12 by skipping Jingliu and Blade. I feel like a boss now.
From what Ive seen, a lot of e0s0/e0s1 Jingliu and even DHIL struggling to get 5 cycles nowadays and only managed to fullstar cos the other team (Acheron) cleared her half in 3/4 cycles
Use tingyun and huohuo with her to get her ult fast and do more dmg in that way
Its a really funny build. Lots of fun.
97th in college algebra 😎
My Dan heng il could never. RIP Fraudliu
Again, your narcissism is showing, just like in the previous video. "If "I" can't clear it, then nobody can" If "I" didn't enjoy the way the story was presented, then nobody should!" Get help, man. Tho on one thing we can agree on, Jingliu is destined to fall just like any other dps in this game with the exception of Acheron maybe.
Sorry pup, couldn't hear you over the sound of being right
Acheron will fall too, tho she does have a very useful technique that’ll keep her relevant even if she’s no longer meta.
@@aoki395 The way her kit was designed she will only get better as time goes on. As long as they make good nihility chars who can reliable debuff Acheron will always have a team. Also the fact that she ignores resistances in ult helps a ton as well. Imo she's gonna age better than the dps we have until now, but I could be wrong of course.
@@XgoSolo While you're right about certain things, the rest of it is just your opinion yet you still present it as a fact.
@@jakoby256 if hoyoverse want to promote another dps they’ll do it and there’s so many ways they can make the environment unfavorable for a dps. Alternatively they could introduce a unit like neuvillette and bring all DPS down 😂
Edit: there major improvement for Acheron though since not a single support tailor for her have been made yet
The last MoCs are heavily skewed against her, Aventurine and especially SAM gimmicks are made to counter her. Not only that but they always put bosses with high ice res like Cocolia, Gepard, Yanqing. If a chamber is Ice weak then she will blow it up. Also, why is it a downside that she is only good for Ice content ? Is DHIL good against everyone ? not from my experience. Acheron has built in res pen but Jingliu can also have this buff if you have Ruan Mei.
Found out about your videos recently and love it. Agree with JL all the way. I have her at E0S1 and she feels terrible now. I barely use her. Feels incredibly mid even with all her best supports.
Premier FUA team, Acheron, DHIL and even the new break teams lap circles around her in my experience.
Wait some time, they will also. Start looking " Not so good " And will fall to " I don't use them any more "
It's a a gatcha game, they will keep throwing new charcter every 3 week with hopes of you pulling them.
Play whoever you like and pull accordingly
Lifes hard man
my e6 jl says otherwise
blade is a great support for jingliu 👀
I agree with most of the statements, except "taking XXX character away from XXX" doesn't make sense. You don't need to keep all your teams fully intact all the time and most have substitutes of some sort (robin for RM in dot, SW /guinaifen for acheron, ect.), and you only really need to build two teams for pretty much anygame system currently released.
But aside from that, you're pretty much right.
I love that Jingliu has become a main villain in the XgoSolo cinematic universe.
Tbh…it’s not just Jingliu. I’ve had trouble with all DPS characters. Blade is poo poo I can’t get anything done with Imbib. I only get progress with Kafka and Acheron
Nihility teams are easier to build, rather than a normal dps, for example, although I have a Seele that can do over 40k, she's not consistent with it, because good crit relics are hard to get. Meanwhile my Luka can reach higher ceilings because his kit is just raw attack
massive skill issue
@@TheUlquiorraCifer exactly! Just get better
Are your support characters built correctly yet? Make sure their traces are 8/10 on everything at the very least and have a good LC on them, that's what makes up 90% of supports imo
@@OfficialBaKa. i was baiting that post. I personally think that the guy saying that Jingliu is bad is a contradiction since I still carry with her, but again like you said it’s really because of the supports help that DPS can shine (unless your name is Acheron) I’m pretty well off. I still clear with everyone.
Our blue eyed queen 💔
🦂
Respectfully. You did this entire video saying that she is bad while acknowledging your Jingliu is bad. But then saying the character and kit is bad when tons of people cleared with her and have used her since her release till now.
Will new DPS power creep her, yes that is inevitable. But all this to is to say that I don't think it's a Jingliu problem when people consistently use her in end game.
No sig lightcone? SKILL ISSUE
Cry all you want, but the strongest ice dps at the moment is Jingliu.
Just pull Jingliu e1 then you will never have to worry about her single target dmg lol
I' am number 1 Jingliu and Seele hater and Yanqing simp but even i know jingliu is strong. of course the MoC not gonna favor her she is a broken old character hoyoverse will do anything to counter her and daniel. Sam boss fight is literally the best example of a enemy made to counter Fu xuan and Jingliu both they stronger characters at the time. Acheron will receive they same treatment in one year with mechanics and enemies to counter acheron even the MoC now doenst help acheron at all for the first time. Its gacha game after all they want you to buy the shine new toy and stop using broken old one because is not work the same way anymore
Yanqing simp… are you???
Well its a good thing I skipped this lady for Huohuo and Ruan Mei.
He should not have cooked
I do agree that Jing Liu somewhat fell off, specifically because there are less ice weak rooms. But this aint exclusive problem just for her, pretty much every dps character would struggle without their element weakness. And she will get powercrept easily whenever Mihoyo releases frontloaded ice dps with similar damage . But rn she is still best ice dps, one of the better dpsers in game. Saying that she "isn't good" is simply delusional.
Well everyone will soon get powercreep by futute characters in the next 2 years
Who the hell is Daniel. Is that your pet name for Dan Hung or more likely his counterpart "DHIL"?
That’s what the community calls him cause Dan Heng isn’t a real name
@XgoSolo lol, I'm pretty sure anything can be a name on an alien ship when you are dealing with immortal beings that can transform into dragons, fantasy names for a fantasy environment or whatever.
In any case, thanks for the reply, just wanted to make sure because I hate to assume that my guess is right without verification.
If you shitting this hard in jingliu im scared about Seele..
No cap, if you’re not hitting 500k plus ur charters is poo poo I.e. Only Acheron
Seele is pretty hot
@@KamiGemaGaming and soon, Boothill too (this dude does crazy damage single target)
@@hyunitsu5 the power creep is insane. Which ironically does kill games, because Eidolons become useless for charaters
The question is then whose stepping up to take her place then? Arguably shes in the top 3 of dps with DHIL and archeron i mean you could argue dr ratio , boothill or whatever but its not a convincing arguement basically there hasnt been a dps yet that could take her out pf the top 3 and in fact she has something going. For her the other 2 dont team versatility... Acheron needs debuffers and DHIL needs allies w low skill point usage or ones that can create them. With how this game seems to make characters it cant be long thou
The fact you just unironically said top three dps is crazy.
We getting the full Honkai Impact 3rd experience here, all dps WILL get power crept, it just seems to happen far quicker in HSR.
in HI3 is way worse trust me, i was using the most recent lightning unit and she outpermormed my physical dps by more then double the dmg on a abyss that had 50% physical dmg bonus and 50% lightning dmg decrease, at least in hsr if the MoC has ice weakness jingliu will outperform most dps
@@recker4267 I mean, your build is shit then. Aponia(most recent phys boss in exalted) is practically unkillable by non-physical chars, and I cleared her in RL with DPS Carole(5.3 character).
@@GolgothianSylex building on HI3 is the most stupid shit ever, somehow it makes genshin artefact system look like is the best thing ever, getting the F2P build is such a pain in the ass that u might aswell just spend crystals, but the game just doesnt give enough to get all the build that u need, so i just went full for senadia and used her for everything, i did had HoS and HoR but my physical team coudnt clear shit, at least on hsr if u just get a jingliu she will still perform well against ice scenarios even if u dont get her LC, but i will still think its stupid that my senadia team was doing over double the dmg then my physical team in a scenario that literally is buffed for physical and nerfed for lightning
@@recker4267 I play F2P normally(stable Red Lotus), you just need to spend really wisely. And prefer stigmatas to artifacts, to be honest, most of my HSR builds are still very bad, Seele 80/180 with LC isn't fun, most supports are also simply 140+ speed with bad stats.
@@recker4267 Since characters are separated into both Element AND Type, they can typically avoid stepping on each others toes for a very long time. It takes months for a character to come out that completely overshadows a previous one. Example is for Imaginary Team, Kiana Mei Bronya are still at the top and they were over a year ago now.
bro didnt get a 10 morbillion damage per hit, bro fell off
Yep I’ve noticed my jing hitting dangerously low numbers (maybe because I have bad relics but we don’t talk about that)
Jingliu is my most regretted pull in the game. Initially, I pulled for her because she's hot, but over time, I don't enjoy playing her.
boi, you trampled on the sacred waifu, what have you done? /j
i agree with how jingliu is falling off but jingliu is much more easier to invest than dhil and im clearing MoC 12 with jingliu perfectly fine
Ppl keep saying that but he can easily run on musketeers
@@slasherzone so can jingliu and good luck trying to maintain high cr and cdmg at the same time
I agree. She fell off....i should have waited for firefly
Even if she gets powercreep I like a lot the character so I play with it.
If I had to play for meta and not for the characters or the design or the mechanics etc then omg.
Like really personal view on a character > meta.
While she is getting powercrept, she is still strong. And i could argue that at some point in the future, she will get buffed indirectly. New supports, new relics, etc, etc.
And besides, if you need ice coverage, she is your girl.
Remember, waifu/husbu over meta.
Sounds like a skill issues. Or we not playing the same game here lol.
I think JL might not be as overpowered as she used to be in endgame. She doesn't have that same level of team synergy with certain units that someone like ratio, dhil or kafka does, and she's not as straight up game breaking as acheron is. But she's just such a broken character when your starting the game. Building her is insanely easy because you dont have to worry about crit like you do with other dps. She is also extremely versatile as a unit being sp positive, having her own action advancing and what not. But yeah I think as time goes on it will be difficult for her to perform as well in endgame. But we won't have to worry about that for a while, shes still comfortably a top 10 dps (and a damn hotass woman)
to be fair. I aint no damage calculator or meta player but
Robin is a good partner for jingliu since she works with mostly everyone. jingliu is gonna like that damage buff and the action advance. So I'd say at least she isn't anti synergistic with Jingliu.
I agree she massively fell off though. as someone with a e1s1 Jingliu even I couldn't cleat the adveturine boss with her. and my jingliu was well built to.
I managed to clear it with my jingliu e0s0, luocha, fu xaun, and pela team only missed 3 stars by 1 turn due to shit rng of him going gamble mode in the first phase costing me a whole rotation.
@@SoopDwagg I think if you remove 1 of the 2 sustain and get 2nd support open your potential to get 3 star.
@@shiroeikami8467 maybe but i was going for the safe approach, since i had no knowledge on the fight except the story fight which ended in 3 turns so i missed his stage 2 mech other than that i need defense and AoE for gamble check.
@@SoopDwagg For that MoC, forcing a win on gamble check might be bad. The MoC buff deal damage to Aventurine after you did 6 actions that can deal damage, but if the 6th is triggered on dice gamble phase, it's wasted dealing 0. The only thing that need to be wary of losing from that gamble is the debuff, but Fu Xuan can prevent that 100%.
I tried with Jingliu, Tingyun, Pela and Fu Xuan. Sometimes I avoid using Pela ult, if Jingliu is on 1 stack I use basic attack so she won't advanced forward. Fu Xuan skill to prevent the debuff, Tingyun act depending on MoC stack.
@@SoopDwagg I meant 3 stars. i can do it but i dont get 3 stars.
I think it's more accurate to say Jingliu is falling behind rather than getting worse. Her getting worse would mean nerfs to her kit, when in actuality it's just that she can't keep up as well other DPS anymore.
She's still pretty good now, don't get me wrong, but I will say it's accurate to say she's no longer meta.
She got me through pre nerf aventurine no diff 💀 e0s1
didnt pull kafka and im perfectly fine
Can't Believe I just listened to a 10 minutes rants.