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Fuel Pressure Drive Module (with ChrisFix!) - 2004-2008 5.4L Ford F-150
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- Опубликовано: 2 авг 2024
- On this episode of Fear No Fix, Chris and ChrisFix team up to replace the Fuel Pressure Drive Module in a 5.4L Ford F-150 (model years 2004-2008).
Symptoms associated with this fix:
• Low, no, or unstable fuel pressure
• No start
• Stalling
DTCs (Diagnostic Trouble Codes) associated with this fix:
• P0191
• P1233
Required tools:
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I feel like a power ranger in the beginning of the video haha
If you were going for that, you completely nailed it!
You looked like a spaceman walking by.
Hey Chrisfix! I did what you did to bypass the fuel pressure drive module. I got a new one and hooked it up and my car doesn’t start as soon as i plug in the paper clip it starts up.. could it be the fuel pump
Hey! that's cool
Haha good job Chris
Chris Fix....I love you man! I saw this video after my F-150 threw codes P0171, P0174 and P0191 on the OBD-II reader and my truck would not start at all. The consensus of my mechanically inclined friends was either the fuel rail sensor or a bad fuel pump. You turned me onto the possibility that it could be the fuel pump driver module. Your diagnosis trick with the paper clips was a game changer for me (although I used 14 gauge stranded wire). After bypassing the driver monitor my car started right up. The toughest part was getting the 15 year old rusted bolts out of the frame. My F-150 is now accelerating the best I can remember in at least 5 years and am riding on cloud 9 tonight. Thank you so much.
Gentlemen, thank you! This video was exactly what I needed. My mechanic is backlogged, and any day I can fix it myself using two paper clips is a good day.
While the pins are in do you turn the truck on to test it?
In a long run how long till the plastic burned out...I have a customer I shovel 2 15amp fuses in there
Hey Guys! Chris and ChrisFix here. Funny chemistry between you two 😄👍👍
Got quite the chuckle when he asked @Chrisfix if he had any RUclips videos. Awesome video.
Awesome ChrisFix on this episode 👌👌
Been watching how to videos on Chrisfix channel on youtube from way back when, its so cool to see him helping out a mechanic, on a Truck?
ChrisFix sent me here; was not disappointed!
Huh, who me? Great work fix! You too other guy 😁👍
Hey Chris fix sent me👍👍👍awesome content as always 🎉🎉
This was my problem with my truck. Definitely easier than replacing the fuel pump. Thank you!
I had a broken ground in my harness about 6 inches back from this module. I found it after replacing the fuel pump and this drive module and nothing worked.. just letting everyone know. Also, make sure the connector for this is pushed very hard into this module. Thanks for the video.
How did u replace the ground I think k I have a broken o e too...
Chrisfix is a super hero! He cant show his true identity!
Hey there guys is Chris fix here .
thanks, helped me figure out my issue, has code PO191 fuel pressure rail sensor, my truck wasnt starting without out gas being sprayed in the intake, rough idle, could get over 2000 to 3000 rpms, no power, tried the paper clip trick, it fired right up running and power was back. ordered my new part, waiting on delivery, thanks a lot
Quick and easy test for module thanks.
I dont have a car yet but seeing this is soo satisfactory 😂
I am an experienced mechanic but still stumped.
I have a 2007 f250 super duty that starts when it wants. Sometimes will start then starts running slow then stops and fuel pressure is zero.
I have cycled the key on and seen 70 PSI pressure, starts right up idols fine and as watched the fuel pressure goes from 70 to zero in about 5 seconds and dies.
Other times it runs a week with no issues.
On the no start condition there is only a few pounds to no fuel pressure. Leave the truck sit a day or an hour sometimes it starts right up. Might drive it everyday for a week and no problems. Might sit for for 5 minutes or next day and no start.
Problem is it will not stay in the no start condition so I can diagnose.
Replaced the fuel pump module and it started right up so I thought it was fixed. Next day no start even with the new FP Module. Threw a fuel rail switch on too. Still acts up when it wants.
Cycle key on and can hear the pump for a second but it sounds week most of the time. Sometimes a key cycle will give a strong fuel pump sound and the truck then starts.
Sometimes the key cycle will only boost the pressure a few pounds and will not start. Then it gets a streak where the pump sounds strong again and starts right up.
I'm not sure if I should put a fuel pump in or the Engine PCM is telling the pump to misbehave.
I think fuel pressure is regulated by the ground the module sends to the pump? If I provide a full ground to the pump when it won't start and it starts will it prove anything like the PCM is faulty?
I removed , and cleaned grounds to the FP Module and tank. Unplugged and inspected wire plugs I could see. I'm in the rust belt so bad contact is possible but I don't see it.
I hope it's the pump but wondering if it is the PCM providing weak ground at times?
Thanks for any help.
Solid video! Definitely going in my back pocket because I know I’ll get an f150 with that problem at some point.
P.s. I have been using the blue driver scanner for a few years and it only keeps getting better with each update!
great video
Excellent
Wow that was very good news
Thanks good job.
Just curious. the FPDM just looks like an electronic box, which plugs into a wire harness and is just physically mounted. So why does Ford put it back by the fuel tank. Why not somewhere under the hood, or more easily accessible or where it won't get road gunk on it?
Would this test work the same for a 2010 f150 5.4?
While the pins are in do you turn the truck on?
Truck Ford 08 F150 stalled while driving on highway.. towed to shop, mechanic stated it to be the fuel pump. Replaced fuel pump and within about 2 days same problem on highway… truck starts to sort of rumple no acceleration while stepping on pedal. I will think now that while still experiencing this vibration on and off at times and no acceleration again that it must be this module. Hope so😔.. fuel pump installation was not cheap
Does the 2005 f350 6.0 diesel have this actuator ? I have looked in the area suggested in the video . Please help
Hey Chris you are SOO COOL
Thanks!
You.. you mean me right?
What system is that you were usimg for diagnosis that is linked to your phone?
Hi, looking for a little help diagnosing my 2010 F150's cold weather starting problem. When the ambient temp falls below about 30f the 5.4 has a real hard time starting. But if I plug in the block heater the night before, she fires right up. Could this be a faulty coolant temp sensor beneath the intake plenum? Or something else? Took it to a parts store and used their OBDII tester and didn't get any codes at all.
My 05 5.4 if reading 55psi when i turn the key and 75 psi when the engine is running. Im having trouble figuring out what the problem is? Any ideas? Im also using blue driver obd2
I Hav a 2003 ford f150 4.6 v8.my fuel was almost on the red for empty.But the low fuel light didn't come on.how would I fix or ck it.thanks Johnny O.
I have one of these trucks in the middle of the jungle in Guatemala and have been fighting fuel pump issues for 3 months now with no success. I managed to get a hold of a brand new fuel pump module but either it's not grounding correctly or it's not receiving commands from the computer. I use jumper wires on the connector pin two to five and three to four like you say in the video and the truck starts and runs. I left it in there and tried to drive down the street but after 2 or 3 times maybe 10 minutes total running the brand new Bosch fuel pump burnt out. Is it safe to assume that the fuel pump was under too much stress because there is no return line? Is there no way to Jimmy rig this thing to work? I'm on dirt roads in the middle of the jungle maybe 15 mile per hour max speed, I'm just looking for a way to make it start.
What options you are using on the OBD2 to read the fuel pressure I have a same obd2
excelent !!
How about fixing that exhaust leak next?
Good vídeo, My van Ford e350 v8 5.4 suddenly stopped, after a moment it started to turn off again, I waited about 15 minutes and started again for about 10 minutes, what could it be?
Did you use genuine Ford Fuel pressure driver module or aftermarket? If aftermarket, which one?
I mean it does count as a Chrisfix RUclips video right? 🤨🧐
no, it doesn't count, i hope, @ChrisFix please don't forget us
@@jdgm85 haha check now 😊
I would suggest using proper probe pins instead of paper clips. Using paperclips will spread and deform the pins and will cause poor pin fitment and will have issues sooner than later trust me. The FPDM are usually rotted out due to corrosion from mud and road salt etc. Also check the main harness along frame under drivers door. The connector is in line of fire from LF wheel tossing rocks and debris. The plastic shield designed to help protect the connector is usually long gone leaving the harness and connector exposed.
What makes a 2006 ford f150 cut back and when you give it gas it picks back up??
I have a 2002 F150 6 cyl, 4 2 liter. There is no fpdm to be found. Does it even have one, if so where because combed entire underneath after removing the spare. It's a crank, no start, no fuel pressure. Not dropping tank yet due to rusty Michigan bolts
So I just did the bypass and the fuel pump stayed on consostently even before i cranked it. My duty cycle is at .75 now. And the only codes im getting now are p0191 (sensor) and p1233 (driver module offline). I want to order a genuine ford module because I dont trust the local store cheap ones. Do you think once the new module is in my sensor code will go away too? Thanks
Could this be a issue on a 2002 4.6 v8 f150?
What scanner is he using to diagnose it..forscan? Need that and what pid to look. for. Also, what if your driver control module is just a bit wonky or you have a failing fuel pump that is still working but not giving good pressure. What is the psi my 5.4 3v should read and can forescan read it? I just see fuel pump than 20% on my reading.
is it safe to try and start the truck when the fuel pump drive module is bypassed with the paper clips?
So I’ve replaced this module, fuel pump and the fuel pressure sensor. Still having same issue. When I changed the fuel pump it ran great for a half a block and died
Hi my 2004 f150 is burning excessive fuel will this bypass work if i try it?
i have looked everywhere where is one of these located on a 2007 Lincoln navigator with a 5.4l 3v. it isnt no where anyone says it is
If it is not where recourses are stating it may be best to consult a Lincoln service center or parts department.
Always check this control module out before spending big bucks emptying and then dropping the fuel tank to replace a perfectly good fuel pump. The module is about $60 to $70, but the labor and parts for emptying then dropping the fuel tank to replace the fuel pump, and putting it all back together is much more expensive and time consuming. Many published diagnostic procedures don't mention the importance of checking the fuel pump control modules, and the failure rate of these modules because of an initially poor design. On the other hand, fuel pumps in Ford trucks are continuously cooled by immersion in fuel, and are not exposed to the elements like the module is, and the fuel pumps rarely fail. I learned this by being too cheap to replace a fuel pump in a 98 F150 without examining every other conceivable cause of a problem - that's when I discovered that the failure rate of fuel pump control modules is about a hundred times higher than failures of in-tank fuel pumps, because of corrosion problems from poorly designed placement of the module on the top of the left side of the rear axle.
It's so much more common, and a million times easier. Up here anything involving touching the gas tank is going to be a sea of rust and tears.
If I jump the fuel pump full time will the truck run OK and what would I damage if I did that let me know I’m working on my truck today it’s probably the module if I can get the pump working today if full capacity what do I need the module four thanks again good video
this vehicle doesn't seem have a fuel pressure regulator and fuel pressure is controlled by the module pulsing the current (high or low) to the pump to regulate the fuel pressure during different vehicle operations idle, cruise, wide open throttle etc...
if they were bypass the module, the pump would just have constant voltage and pressure at all times, weather that be too much or too little, it would cause RICH (too much fuel or not enough air) or LEAN (too much air or not enough fuel) conditions.
this would effect your fuel consumption, cause misfires, damage your catalytic convert and probably wear out the pump and cause it to fail prematurely.
My symptoms are 0psi koeo then 15 psi running I bypassed the driver and the pump only puts out 5 psi safe to say the pump is bad?
I have a 2004 F150 4.6L And I cannot find a Schrader valve to check fuel pump pressure. Can u help? I assume that it’s digital check only because there is a sensor on the fuel rail and I believe that’s it what checks the pressure correct me if I’m wrong
What cool app did yiu use on your celfone?
That would be BlueDriver app it's designed to work with the Bluedriver sensor, the app can be download from the Google Playstore for Android or Appstore for iOS.
Could otro bypass the module on a múltiple random Cylinder misfire 2005 4.6 Ford f150
Hello. I have a 2004 Ford expedition 5.4L V8. My truck is burning excessive fuel. I have changed my fuel filter & EGR unit. But I am still going through fuel super quick.
What symptoms is your Expedition having? Surging RPM? Lack of pwr on highway? Need some more information to help ya
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What about other Chris 😔
And other Chris😆🤙
Danm 3 valves ticking right along 😂
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Sir I have a Honda Hybrid car that is having an issue it dirty vibrates on the Slow running when I go to the mechanic, someone is talking about an issue with your transmission gear, someone is saying there is an issue with your car electrical problem
Been using blue driver for a few months now on my 2008 Ford Econoline . Tip for video production. Remind people that testing and there results can be miss leading . So be careful. My fuel pump makes pressure until it’s hot then nothing and my system holds proper pressure. So your test for the pump on this one failed me . So be warned am be cautious. Love your products
Chris help please I trying to check the fuel pump realley and get broke they say don't te remove now what I can do
What did you use to check your fuel pressure from your phone?
It’s a obd2 Bluetooth scanner. You can get a good one on Amazon for around $25-30 bucks. There’s so much info you can see on your car. Definitely worth it. Look into it!
You'd think the engineers would have had the sense to know that galvanic corrosion rots these modules away. Or, they knew but said, "Screw it and screw the customer."
How did you get that reading on your cellphone?
We used our BlueDriver OBDII scan tool and the BlueDriver app!
Just checked mine and it broke out when I tried unplugging it! I guess I'll start here
Best of luck!
I'm having trouble finding the fuel power drive module on my 99 Ford F-150 ext. Can not where they said it be above the spare tire on a cross member help!!!!???
No FPDM in 99 - there's a good conversation on this at www.f150forum.com/f6/location-fuel-pump-drive-module-1999-f-150-v8-225088/
If I stick the paperclips in the connector, can I start my truck to see if it fixed the issue?
Did you figure that out?
Same question here, do you turn the truck on?
I have the same question can I start my truck with the pins in it right now I might just looking for listened by my ear to see if it stays open constantly or can I start it as well and if it does start now I know it's my module so kind of stuck in between on what to do I don't want to mess anything up I want to start it to see if it starts but at the same time I don't got no tester or no ohm reader so I'm just winging it off of this video which I love I got my two paper clips in and I just want to know if I could start my truck.
I put my two paper clips in and I could hear my pump running constantly I try to start it and it didn't start but I do hear my pump running constantly and I hear the gas circulating but it won't start if I put starter fluid in the intake area it starts right up. If they started for about 10 seconds and then it dies so that tells me the truck runs and it does start but I don't seem to be getting any gas my question is I did hear my fuel pump running constantly and I don't know if that's the indication that my fuel pump is good and that my module is bad but no it did not start but yes I did stick to paper clips in yes I try to start it with the paper clips and no it did not start I try to start with a starter fluid with a paperclipse it started without the paper clips and it started again but both times and both different tries worked with starter fluid with or without the paper clip but it didn't start on its own so I'm thinking hopefully it's the module which I do hear the fuel pump running constantly when I do put my paper clips in so I'm going to start off with the modular and I hope that's it
@@storagecontainer4268 did you ever figure out how to fix it?
He said wooder 😍 too bad it wasn’t soapy..
Oh Saby! You're completely out of control!!! 😉
Wow
I have p0191 on 2008 f150 i replaced fuel pressure sensor and fuel pressure control module and my truck still lack of power and stalls intirmitant. FRP goes down too 28-8 psi when symtom occurs.
Have a look at your power steering pressure switch
www.f150online.com/forums/2004-2008-f-150/468656-2005-5-4-unresolved-fuel-pressure-problem-2.html#post5257157
I have the same problem on my truck and the pressure is at 274kpa idk what the conversion for psi .. but it stalls out and loses power as soon I press the fun pedal
I have a problem with my fuel tank pressure sensor it's pretty simple to fix but I don't know where to get the part because ford does not have it and neither does AutoZone or O'Reilly's
The Stig speaks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My 04 f150 5.4 intermittently hesitates at 1/4 throttle. Any ideas?
Spark plugs
What is the pressure supposed to be
~35-45 psi key on engine off
~30-55 psi key on engine on
What app are you using with this
BlueDriver (a little self serving)
What if the fuel pressure before you short the pins is 25 and after that you short the pins the fuel pump goes to 75 but the truck doesn’t run right?
It still runs sluggish
Misfire
No misfire did a compression check replace the spark plugs for maintenance reasons and installed new ignition coils and new injectors since the truck has 300k miles
What type of tester did you use?
For the scanner we used the BlueDriver OBDII Scan Tool, for the paperclips we used the finest metal clips from the local stationary supply store (make sure you don't get plastic coated ones, ask how we learned that one)
@@LemurMonitors I am having an issue with my fuel gauge not working. I have changed the gauge, the fuel pump and tested the wires at the harness. I can not for the life of me figure it out. BTW I bought the tester. Thanks.
Replaced and fuel rail senser, but still no flue pump coming on no start
Great watch keep up good work
i have an 06 f150 and it wont start at all has no fuel at the rail at all. every so often it will start for 15 secs then stall. Bypassed the module makes no difference! will the truck start if the module is bypassed?
If the module was bad it would - maybe something bad upstream like a fuse/relay?
@@LemurMonitors fuel pump runs just no gas /pressure at all. Thinking pump is done
It happened to me one time, and I spent whole my money. Same as a 2006 Lincoln town car my car, same problem issues also I have a reading scan code P0191 it said fuel pressure rail sensors, so I replace a new Bosch with motorcraft and still shut it off engine, then I bought it a new fuel pump replace it whole thing and still shut it off, now I replace a fuse pressure and the micro relays too, now I watched this about fuel pump module. So I replace it that now it’s works finallyyyy. I been struggle been a one weeks. Shessshhhh. Now here is a tricks, when the next time used a scanner reading code P0191 first time replace a fuel pressure sensor, if not then used replace fuel pump driver module. Two things are important. Did you know that a P0191 relating to fuel pump drive module.
Disappointed that fuel pressure isn't supported for my 2003 F150.
I have a 1994 f150 5.0 and the problem I'm having is my truck starts right up and I drive it about 2 blocks or so and it starts acting like it's starving for gas and wants to die so if I turn it off and back on it starts drives and does the same thing.
No FPDM before this generation so I'd have a look at the usual suspects - fuel pump pressure/flow (obstructions? wiring problems?)
Another thing is if your truck has O2 sensors (not too familiar with the pre-OBDII stuff) that sounds like the right amount of time to go closed loop after warming up - so bad O2 sensor data or something along those lines?
Thank you I really appreciate and I will let you know what the problem is thanks
Is happening to my 2019 f150 it pisses me off
So it is confirmed! ChrisFix has a nose!
We tackle the real issues on this channel
How about a 2013 Ford F-150.??
Maybe in the future I will pass it along to the team see what they can do.
5:02 Chris laughed, what?
WOW??? Talking about just spreading the crap out of those pins with that thick paperclip
If you people stop buying ford you wont have so many problems
I don't think that will stop happening anytime soon.
I work on Fords for years and some of this vehicles are not worth it buying they have so many problems poor people who buys a four just like you better suck up a lemon but people don't listen I tried telling you make famous a ford for no reason at all
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William E right? So weird. It def isn’t helping him! He only had 6 million subs!
Do the people who make yt videos ever think to wear a mic so people can hear what they say? loud cells can turn it down, but the rest of us cant go any louder..
great video
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Acts 21:33 Then the chief captain came near, and took him, and commanded him to be bound with two chains; and demanded who he was, and what he had done.
Acts 21:34 And some cried one thing, some another, among the multitude: and when he could not know the certainty for the tumult, he commanded him to be carried into the castle.
Acts 21:35 And when he came upon the stairs, so it was, that he was borne of the soldiers for the violence of the people.
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