Ford F-150 & Expedition 5.4L 3v Triton Engines Hard to Diagnose Misfires Fixed!
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- Опубликовано: 30 сен 2024
- In this video we show you what to check when you have hard to diagnose misfires on this engine.
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This freaking sounds like my 2000 expedition 5.4 #4 #1 misfiring cant pass smog 228,000 HELP ME!! YES I HAVE CAR KNOWLEDGE TO UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT YOUR SAYING. SO TELL ME THE FACTS.
Thanks
Will the Forscan work on a '97 F150 4.6 as well as the adapter from Amazon?
Thanks, and thanks for the videos.
Are these the newer design with the smaller holes you were saying in the video?
Hey my man good afternoon I would love to get some guidance
Its like going to the best automotive school every time I watch Brian's videos.
There is no school that's going to show you what this guy is showing!!!!
For Ford problems. Agree.
Yea he's a great guy. Imagine if he was like one of those online instructors charging money to view these 'courses'... But I might still pay a little for that haha
The only thing we learn is that he is a ford God and we are just mortals.
@@caesarflickerman7047 you got that right. Would love to work with him for about a year.
This is the best guy in the world for knowledge and presentation. He never says uh and doesn’t edit 10,000 times. He knows what he’s talking about because he lives it!
Man all these years you've been putting up these amazingly detailed, extremely informative videos and I can't thank you enough for your masterful insight. You truly are the Master of Diagnostics.
Great video and thank you for sharing your experience and knowledge with us. 👍
Very informative video thank you a lot
I wish you was close to Pittsburgh pa to help me with my 2010 ford f150 Harley davidson 5.4L triton engine...good mechanical diagnosis and works man ship
This is the reason I stopped working for a dealership. Techs are always looking for the quick repairs, to make more money. Actual diagnosing is just about non-existent. This man obviously knows what he's doing, and takes pride in his work. Nice work sir!
Poor customer, have him spend all that money for no reason good job Brian
Wonder if he could get partial or full refunds.
@@tmaq9726 probably won't get a refund
Can’t imagine how much money he spent.. pry paid the value of that expedition
Its infuriating. You spend good money to get a professional opinion and work. And then you get nothing better than the kids down the street opinion. Its criminal.
@ PCM is like $800 isn't it?
I sure do appreciate your videos I just bought a 2006 f150 with the 3 value engine and I've been going nuts trying to figure out why number 7 cylinder has a misfire I've done everything but pull the value cover it's coming off tomorrow
Diagnosis skills....separates the pros....Thanks!!!!
Diagnosis skills separate the pro's from the schill's!
The difference between "glorified parts changers" and a real mechanic. Diagnostic ability!
Is there many of these guys left? Man this guy ur the best great comment!
But the computer didn’t say it popped off!
@GGALLIN1776 I hit a driver door a while ago. Was quoted something like $1,200 to change 4 nuts and an electrical connector in the door jamb. Within 3 minutes on Facebook I found the exact same model car in the exact same paint colour for $600 from Bumper to Bumper the entire car... needless to say he was a little pissy lol
Amen
Parts changer here!
I also have a 2007 f150 Ford every time I've had a problem with my Ford I always watch his videos and he gives you a wealth of knowledge of how to fix it and when I after I get done watching his videos and I go and fix my Ford it comes out perfect all the time thank you
Maybe buy something you don't have to Fix Or Repair Daily.
@@boblongbow9170 you mean those service bays at the other dealers never get used? Amazing!
Back to basics! Why everyone over thinks the engine operation because of electronics, it's been that way since the first ECM. Good job Brian!
@James Masn you are definitely correct but i would like to add one reason for the lack of knowledge.
Mechanics do not get paid enough. Anyone who has the mental capacity to do this kind of work could easily go into another industry. They will make more, won't have to take out a mortgage for tools, and won't destroy their body in the process.
So from what I see everyone is going to enjoy the shortage of skilled mechanics for the foreseeable future.
@@bobt8578 you are exactly correct! Between the cost of tools, advanced brand specific education, getting paid book time, shop/dealership corruption and a host of other things is why I didn't stay working as an auto mechanic. Many car guys also won't get to be exposed to but so many scenarios and the lack of good pay won't justify staying on the job. There is already a shortage of mechanics in this field because of the reasons I've stated. Sad
Joseph Miller it’s not only that you can only learn mostly through doing and Brian does a lot of these so it’s easy for him. He knew right away it wasn’t from diagnosing it was due to experience and doing. These things need to roll in the shop for most unless the employer sends techs for training
True I left automotive to fix home appliances make almost 20000$ more a year work 8-6 mon- fri got it made no more nights or weekends at the dealer
Gotta tell ya, I have been in and around shops my whole life. Dad was a Ford parts manager for 37 years. You are the most talented mechanic I have ever seen. Great explanations. You have helped me repair my Ranger multiple times. Thankyou !
I feel like 95% of the shops out there are just glorified parts changers that hope for the best
or less.
Any time a technician tells me the PCM is bad I tell them to go find something else wrong. It's 99% of the time NOT a PCM problem.
They can't though. They've read through the paragraphs, answered yes or no when the book asked. That's it, that's all the tech can do. By the way, the last step in the Ford service/troubleshooting manual is ALWAYS, replace PCM.
@@zachcoldwell7978 LOL The Book & Cant Think....... Seen Many Time
@@FixItStupid same,techs are such good little bolter on of parts guys so spiffy in their little uniforms and gloves. Seen some insane bills from the little red seal basterds an still not fixed. Once you figure it out it's always simple tho love that part.
@@zachcoldwell7978 I know. All manufacturers seem to operate the same way. But it's almost never the PCM. I always tell the tech he has to pay for the PCM if it doesn't fix the car. That's usually when they go find the real problem.
Many techs today are what I call a JAFI ... Just Another F###ing Installer. Manufacturers use to make it so things could be rebuilt. Now it's mostly one time use components.
We as Americans people are very lucky to have you on our side . And not the dealership. What would we do without you. You are the best friend any person can have on U-tube
Awesome job and love the videos. Wish you were in Texas, we need more knowledgeable and honest guys like you. Keep up the good work bud. 👍🏼
Yes we need him I have done everything myself on this truck but will probably get the tool to replace these.
Same, I'm in Texas also
issac njoku You don’t necessarily need the tool to replace these, I used a small handled pry bar to replace mine, just depress the lash adjuster and pop them out, installation is the reverse
Libertas501 thank you alot
In Texas, take it top scotty Kilmer
Great work as usual. These 5.4s are such gifts to mechanics. Thanks for sharing your experience with all of us.
They are such a nightmare for anyone dumb enough to buy one!
You are the man!!! Great diagnosis, I really enjoy the content.
I planning a road trio to Chicago just to have the timing job on my 07 expedition done by FTM i dont there is a better technician out there , that can match the quality of your work Brian, great video as always!!
That's cool I would trust FTM to work on my stuff but unfortunately too far. Dorman is ok for some things, I like their transmission pan w drain hole
I've always enjoyed watching your videos sir!!!! And I pass them along to fellow Ford owners. I sure wish I could afford the diagnostic equipment he has. I've had 6 heart attacks and I still do mechanic work to help others out. But I have a 2005 Navigator that is eating my lunch. I can't afford any more parts.
Where's the 1000 like button so I can smash it.
Great diag as always .
Ford Tech Makuloco is a master jedi when it comes to Fords. I own a 2006 ford f150 5.4 v8 with 265,000 miles and anytime I have problems I go to Brian's videos. This guy is amazing 5 stars
Owning a FORD eventually makes you a pretty good mechanic. Lol
Yeah but owning a Chevy or dodge usually makes you bitter
They fired a big parts cannon at that.....
Now it makes it harder to sell the complete job, because the customer has been milked out of thousands for misdiagnosed repairs.
100% correct, our policy is, if we are wrong, there is no charge.
Just for knowing,,,,, how much will this job cost this customer? I was very impressed with you diagnostics abilities. Maybe I should take my 2012 Shelby GT500 for you to maintain for me. Where are you located. I’m in south Florida.
@@mosesvega5421 he is In the Chicago area. Sounds like a fun road trip.
Thousands?
Had an 04 and it was meticulously maintained w Ford oil at Ford garages and it seized oil rings. Gots did a short block on warranty at 149000 kms. Reused all other parts. It ran better but always had a shaky idle. Decided to pull covers and found exact same thing on cylinder 6 a week after I got the truck back from Ford. But a new follower in and switched to amsoil and that motor ran well till 420000kms when I totaled the truck
good job bryan nice to work on same brands continualy see the common failures alot..
My 2004 suffered a broken number 7 cam follower…Ford dealer recommended I buy a new motor for $10K…I declined and paid for replacement of the follower for$600. 5 years later truck still runs great.
Great job once again. Your awesome! You should write a book with all the tips and tricks for the 5.4L and sell it to the other mechanics. I would definitely buy it.
Best auto technician on RUclips hands down 👍🏻
I gotta say; you are without question, the best video tech mechanic I know.
This guy is an amazing mechanic, hands down. I like the way he diagnosed the issue & followed thru with the repair. I just wish his shop was close to my home.
this is why i watch your stuff brian, i have an 09 f-150 5.4 with almost 409,000 kms on it.
you’ve kept me running.
thank you.
Please help just bought a 2005 f150 was told cam phasers were replaced I just did oil flush n replace and replaced both VCTs and truck sounds like diesel only when warmed up to half mark on gauges... I can increase rpm when cold no diesel sound but once warm it sounds like diesel??anyhelp @FordTechMakuloco
Thanks for awsome info genius.
I don't own domestic vehicles but if I ever move to Chicagoland, I'm buying a Ford knowing Brian the Meister is in town no matter what he charges! The best is worth it.
Man you life saver 🙌
I always found the problem on your video
Thanks alot you professional 👍👍👍👍
This was my exact issue and why I sold our Expedition.
How many miles on the expedition when this happened?
What about cylinder 3? I keep getting a misfire under load like 60mph on the highway. Ive changed plugs and coils and cant afford a mechanic but am lost at what it could be
Your experience has paid off for the customer, great video 👍😁
Gday my friend
I have 2012 Ford F-150 FX4 3.5L Ecoboost 4:10 diff gear ratio.
I don't like the engine and was wondering if I could switch the engine out for a 6.2L V8 (in a perfect world it would be a diesel)
I can be reach at 954.830-0365
Couldn’t help reading some comments..they are super positive and right on the money!
You Earn it! Great work!
The f150 2007 FX4 we got a few months ago doesn't shift into park sometimes and doesn't shift into drive. The engine locked up at 146,000 miles and going to put in a engine that has 160,000. Hopefully this solves the issues, but eventually I will go back to Toyota and Nissan for my Trucks and SUVS. I also found some cute outfits from empiremaxoutlet.com Finally theres a place for men to shop so they don't look like idiots. I also got some fitness equipment and wear to work my buns.
Man, this right here is the exact reason I subscribe to your channel. I did a timing job on my 09 last year and replaced all of my roller followers and the oil pump with the newest upgrade at the same time. Keeping my truck running like a top. Thanks man!
I have an 09 4.6 3v that I decided to change the plugs on since they had 157,000 (truck is new to me 3rd owner) 2nd owner kept great care and had all dealership records. Anyway was running fine until I changed plugs ! Now I have misfires on different cylinders but always #4 ! Is this a issue with 4.6s ?
always Awesome Man ! .. Thank you for all the help u do .
Spot on!! My 2010 F150 made the ticking sound on # 3 and the roller follower had so much lash it run like it was out of timing. Replaced the whole side of roller followers and now the engine runs great! Thanks for all the videos you make.
Brian thank you very much for your Ford f150 videos. I have battled the 4.6 for many years and you have always helped me without fail. you are an awesome specimen and hope that you and your family are blessed by God.
battled? why? sorry if i am uninformed… but I have always heard great things about the 4.6’s longevity and durability
@@nozrep yeah was going to say, my 4.6 is going strong and I've had minimal issues with it.
I have this exactly problem and I think you must've just solved our problem because we have a misfire after new premium coils and plugs were installed and couldn't find the problem.
Plus I have a coolant leak that's hard to find
Check out that awesome maintenance, Clean motor!
These engine respond well to maintenance. Besides the phasers, and exhaust manis. They really don’t give many headaches if you maintain them properly.
Amazing troubleshooting skills! So sad so many people are simply parts swappers these days. It's the same for fixing electronics... I love how you always clearly show how to use the tools at your disposal to properly identify a problem first before replacing parts.
Nice job, I was a service writer for Ford, love it when I had mechanics that had great diagnosis skills like you!!!!! Made my life much better.
FoMoCo should be sponsoring these videos, the wealth of knowledge you supply is priceless
I’m having the same problem I got two codes cam sensor and a 7 misfire. I pulled the valve cover and the roller follower appear okay but I’m going to pulls the cam to check them better but I have been loving your videos thanks
7:50 Who saw it? Be honest...
May I ask what was it?
Pushrods. Took Ford 30 years to realize OHC sucks. The new Ford 7.3 is...pushrods..
I have a 2007 Ford Expedition with the Triton 5.4. I am not a mechanic but I do thank you for the videos on maintaining Ford's F-150 and Expedition models. It's comforting to have a good idea of potential problems and then having a decent conversation regarding the issues. Keep up the good work.
This dude is sharp. Great analysis and troubleshooting, I'm learning a ton.
Your videos helped me overhaul our 5.4L, 3-valve Expedition when other mechanics will only change out the engine. Looking forward to trying out Forscan -- have not heard about it until now. Thank you for all that you do!
Wonderful diagnostic. Great work.
Great video! Thank you for such a detailed video!! We sell the coils for these trucks. Very occasionally we have a customer with a Ford Triton engine that has a misfire that no shop can diagnose. I will be forwarding your videos to customers who need in depth information on misfires!
PCM, Cat's, Plugs and coils, He's got a lot of money stuck in it before bring it to you. Hopefully he'll go to you first next time.
One of the main reasons I got out of the business...too many hack garages that replace parts, give great mechanics a bad name!
Brian you just peed off 99% of all the so called best mechanics in the US...but not we FORD owners...thx for what you do....
Brian your the man. Been knocking out the projects on my F-150 this summer with your videos. Much love !!
I'd say that the cat replacements where not a waste of money since they usually need replaced especially by 200k. They clogg so easily. This guy was lucky it just fell aside.
I've seen lots of vehicles with more miles on the factory cats. A simple temperature check can tell you if they're clogged. Also, if a cat were clogged it would be extremely unlikely to cause only one cylinder to misfire. Replacing them was clearly a misdiagnosis by an ignorant person.
Your videos are truly an encyclopedia of Engine Repair. I am on the market for this type of vehicle this year 2020. Keep up the good work!!!!
Somebody tell me why Ford put the motor halfway under the firewall it makes it hell to get back there to work on anything
Thank you for these videos especially on the 5.4 3V I fixed a lot of stuff myself just by watching your videos
Because of watching five of your videos I went out and fix my truck today thank you, the spark was plug was grounded out on the boot because of moisture.
First time watching you I am a Ford Tech myself started to struggle with this misfire watched your video led me right to the number 3 rocker arm... fell off after grinding on the camshaft
Well I have a Ford F150 that has been looked at by the so called good mechanics around here they have no idea.. One said co2 censor and I was thinking catalytic converter... Well when slowing down from 60 or so to a complete stop it starts to how do you explain it... Ummm almost like the timing is off but also a loud rattling.. Shut the engine off and start it back up and it's fine would love to fix this problem have you ever heard of this before... Hopefully the intake roller follower could be my ticket...
So..two cams..all new followers and belt..with 300k...is it worth that?
You’re the diagnostic guru for sure. I’ve learned so much about the 3v following all your videos. I have a 2005 F250 with the 5.4 3v has 289k original motor never had a failure.
Is it mostly highway miles?
09 and newer has this problem. Not so great news for the folks with these vehicles.
It’s amazing how shops miss simple things like this.
280k+, I would wing 1 new roller in it and run it. Make sure no other ones are sloppy first though. Replace the engine or truck if you have further problems.
Yup.
Im an independent technician. I really appreciate what you and others like you do for the mechanically inclined community. While this video was a random curious suggestion in my feed that im glad i watched, several of your videos have personally helped me and my business. Thank you.
The diagnostics skills always show who the pros are and who are not good video and diag
FordTechmekeyouloco is the Ford horse whisperer.
I'm a huge ford guy and a buddy of mine had a 05 mustang gt (4.6 3v), had a dead cylinder for intake and he took the vehicle to 4 different shops that replaced basically everything but still had a misfire. I then told him bring it by. I popped the valve cover and seen a roller popped off, sadly the cam didn't survive. All this knowledge is because of this awesome channel. Thank you bryan.
That reveal was more exciting and tense than the Cyber truck reveal. More satisfying, too
Why only no7 ? That's weird...thank you for time and experience
It can happen to any cylinder.
This is why working in this field is critical,, people in the know are invaluable!
Climaxed way before you got the cover off. You took too long.
Common problem you need to work on Chevys with cylinder deactivation lifter galore and controller. 2009to 2010 cam lobe wipe out. You can do relative compression first. Worked for Ford 26 years had alittle of everything. Still rather have Ford instead of Dodge.Turd cheap construction.
Yup
The 5.4 3 valve has to be one of the most unreliable engines ever made. The owner of this one was lucky to get it fixed before it suffered a catastrophic failure due to that bad cam follower.
Sucks because the bottom end and rotating assembly is rock solid. Just everything bolted to it sucks 🤣 got 350,000 on my 3v
I have 150k miles, should I go ahead and replace the rockers on my 2005 Mustang with the 4.6 3v ?
yes
Great video Brian, i have only seen this one time myself. And let me say, it kicked my butt for a min. THANKS for your willing to share.
I propose a channel rename FordTechMakeUSmart
This just happened to my 08 Expedition 155k miles. Replaced all roller followers and cams and did timing, oil pump and vct valves as well. Drives like new!
wow , a compression test would have fooled me. I think i learned something very important and new today. Thanks for the tip!!
Is it just me or does that cam follower look like the same build quality as the rocker arm from a Tecumseh OHV lawnmower motor
😮💨 Part swappers makin mechanics look bad again.
If I would have been close enough to your shop like this guy is there's NOOOOOOO way I'd bring the truck to anyone else! Damn man get woke! Brian is the best dude!!!
The very first 5.4L I ever worked on had a misfire that completely perplexed us. I can't remember the milage or the year of the truck but it passed all the traditional tests so we were sure it was computer related. I'm not sure why but I stripped everything out of the right side of the truck and pulled the valve cover and WOW! A rocker arm gone rogue. My mind was blown. Little did I know how much trouble these engines would be down the road with seized spark plugs, cam phasers, VVT oil pressure valves, etc. I still wonder why an engine can be so disastrous and still have such a loyal following. I get a pain in the guts thinking about them.
Fantastic video. Wish I'd watched it earlier... After replacing a spark plug, coil, and injector, we still couldn't figure out why we were seeing a misfire on a cylinder, and this turned out to be why!
Master Yoda status. I don't even have this problem but simply blown away by the thorough explanation and technical ability. Great vid.
He’s definitely a master at his craft!!! I not only say this based on the great info provided in his videos, but also from my personal experience with him. He’s done work on my truck. It’ll go back the next time I’m due a major service.
Great video! Thank you! I’m pretty sure mine is just an exhaust leak because it goes away almost entirely when the timing changes during warm up. I am getting a P0300 every now and then and I can feel the miss when under load but I believe it’s just a bad coil boot. My engine only has 112,000 on it. I maintain the oil like clockwork. It’s important in these engines. Otherwise they are prone to a lot of problems.
Brian is the GOAT of ford knowledge and mechanic diagnostics. Lots of respect for the help you give to the masses.