If I fall short I of my personal morality, I only seek forgiveness from anyone I have wronged. My morality does not require me to ask forgiveness from a deity.
The worst part is that many of them don’t deal with the people they wrong if they already apologized to their god and convince themselves they’re forgiven
@jeffreyr.gilbertjr.1321Saying that your god created everything is a whole lot of jibberish if you can't even provide evidence for a god in the first place. Why talk about a god if you have no proof of one. No one cares.
@jeffreyr.gilbertjr.1321 Seeing as I have no need for the belief of a god in my life, I have a certain joy in sinning. Day and night. Blasphemy is cool also.
@jeffreyr.gilbertjr.1321 Sorry to say, but you're full of shit. I have one life, that's it. No fantasy afterlife to fall back on. No pile of crap baggage like you carry around like an albatross.
"hold on, hold on, wait, wait, wait" meaning "let me finish to read my script without bringing up reasonable criticism to what I just said" "Let's focus in today" meaning "let's don't talk about slavery in the Bible"
Slavery? No, God FREED the Hebrew "slaves" under Pharaoh. I've been an expert theologian for 50 yrs. You stand no chance against my knowledge and acumen. To be brief (and I can certainly expound), the Bible is never wrong. For centuries the lost, such as yourself, have tried to discount The proven Word of God to no avail. The slavery try has been debunked. It was a different culture of 3,500 yrs ago in which debt was voluntarily paid via voluntary servitude. For example: Jacob had to work 7 yrs just to pay for his wife. And his wife's Father cheated Jacob, saying he had to marry his older daughter. So THEN Jacob had to work another 7 yrs to get the bride he wanted - Rebecca. And if Rebecca's father died, his oldest son could inherit the debt owed by Jacob - having it passed onto him. So the atheist’s accusation that God approved slavery is debunked. They were not slaves with no rules, but servants WITH RULES during a totally different culture of 3,500 yrs ago when compared to today. Once the fact is presented that it was a different culture and debt was pd by voluntary servitude, the atheist loses.
“I’ve been an expert theologian for 50 years” Bullshite. You still think the Bible has just 66 books. The Ethiopian Bible, which is perhaps the oldest Christian Bible, includes somewhere between 81 to 84 books, depending on different factors. The Roman Catholic Bible has 73 books, and the Greek Orthodox Bible-without an official number-is somewhat larger, with somewhere between 75 and 79 books. The Syriac Bible also has quite a wide range of different books.
@@eleanorgeorge7069 And you keep lying about slavery, an “expert theologian” would know both debt slavery and slavery as it’s understood today existed.
@@tonyclements1147 'Debt slavery'. I guess I am a slave to my bank to pay off my home loan. I have been indebted to others for favours, and have fulfilled the debt. As far as I am aware, slavery by force and for life was never part of Judaism and is not a requirement of Christianity. Any church goer who promotes or sanctions slavery is contrary to the teachings of Jesus. We are all debtors, yet Christ has paided our debts in full.
@@garyfearon3018slavery is a massive part of judaism and christianity and is in your holy books. How can you say it isn't, that comment just says that you know nothing about your disgusting religious beliefs.
I'm confident that the kindergarten Christian callers are known to say anything to get on the show. During the debate, the caller was put in a tight spot several times, and it was clear that he wasn't equipped to handle the situation. Moreover, many people do not realize that evading a direct question not only answers it but also reveals the reason why they are hesitant to respond.
Next time I get called into the office to be reprimanded for something I've done. I'm just going to blurt out "We need to stay focused on here and us".
@@SimonWoodburyForget Id suggest its infinitely more arrogant to suggest 'god' instead of 'i dont know', when questioned about the origin of the universe.....
@@SimonWoodburyForget you got 2 replies mate, if you think thats enough evidence that you are right then..... you do you i guess. Please address my point, what about saying 'i dont know' on the origin of the universe, SPECIFICALLY makes me just as arrogant as someone saying a god created the universe (something that actually needs to be backed up by evidence)
@@Simon-nv5zj Hey Simon, there is evidence for God. Creation proves a creator. Human beings dig up a simple stone wall and conclude that there was some type of civilisation. Universe cannot create itself, there must be a creator.
@@marcusmccorkell7464 Your reasoning is incredibly flawed and fallacious. The people you're arguing with know more about athiesm and your own faith than you do. Pick up a book and drop using 1st grade level arguments. That's 101 level BS that convinces nobody.
Also: homeschooling, poor social skills, teachers named Auntie-Mom and Uncle-Dad and a family tree with only one branch. This ill-tempered, misshapen, inbred miscreant is the load its "mother" *(LOL)* should have swallowed. Luckily any just world would see this accident gelded at birth and it's obviously far too stupid to drive a car, vote or reproduce. Kind of terrifying that it can buy firearms though.....
The bible & other books were writen by late bronze age shamen.Just opinions.Others are available. Oh wait,I am off to part the red sea,then walk across the waters then travel from mecca to madena on the back of a winged horse.Squse me.BYE !
If god has written our moral codes, then why are they so vastly different? Instead of making one unifying code for everyone he just decided to press the “randomize” button, truly an amazing creator.
@@dead_inside674 Things are happening in heaven that we are completely unaware of .To Jobs friends it seemed that He was being punished for some persistent evil sin he was secretly committing , but Job maintained his innocence and never blasphemed God .as Satan said he would . Our sufferings in this world are only temporary , Satan will someday be locked away where he can no longer deceive us anymore . God blessed Job his entire life , for 200 years and made his friends apologize to Job for their accusations against him
Why does everyones ‘proof of god’ always start with a bunch of lead in gotcha type questions all based in a poorly thought out analogy? Every single time 🤦 It’s never ‘here’s my evidence’ ….mainly because they know there is no evidence.
@@TheKosmikid That wasn't the question was it, this individual claimed he had evidence. Instead of presenting his supposed evidence he went into some rambling irrational stream of arrogant BS. Faith wasn't the issue.
@@secularsunshine9036 How many preachers are smart enough to have realized what they preach is BS and harmful, but haven't been trained in any other way to make a living? The Clergy Project exists for a reason!
Did a ROCK give you "empathy?" Or maybe it was moon dirt? How about star dust? Just what part of BASIC NATURE had "empathy" to give you and the MEANS & PURPOSE to give it? Or could it be that an "empathetic" God gave it to you as he created you: “Then G0D said, “Let us (Trinity: Father, Word, Holy Spirit) make mankind in our image, in our likeness...” - Genesis 1:26 You have a lot to learn.
@@eleanorgeorge7069 I'd argue you have a lot to learn. I never stated a rock or moon dust taught me empathy. Don't straw man me. My parents taught me empathy. My friends and family taught me empathy. I can see what harms people with my own eyes. Eyes that we can show evolved. Not created by an invisible mass killer who shows no empathy at all.
@@eleanorgeorge7069 Where did GOD get empathy? Right - we don't want to think about those things! But we have good explanations for why WE have empathy - it is necessary for the survival of any social species. If we did not have it we would not be here to discuss it. Nature gave me empathy the same way it gave me eyes - they are useful for the survival of the species and thus those traits were selected for by evolution. We see this sort of empathic behavior in EVERY social species, and usually a lack of it in non-social species. Dolphins defend each other and care for each other and have even been known to protect humans. Sharks don't do that. Why did god give dolphins empathy and not sharks? YOU have a lot to learn, and your foolish nonsense about rocks proves it. No one GAVE us empathy, it developed in our species. Just because you have an old book that says "God dun it" means nothing.
@@petervargo1696 Your parents did not "teach" you empathy - you were born with it. But they nurtured that within you in ways that made you more empathetic than you might otherwise have been. Just as my parents did not teach me intelligence - I was born with it, they just provided a stimulating environment and encouraged me to use my mind and taught me some HOW to use it better. But neither of those traits were "given" to us. They developed through the evolutionary process.
Andrew seems to have a flow-chart in front of him for this call, and he "agrees" only to buy time to re-path his terrible argument every time he hits a dead-end. Also Don is the savage best at incisive one-liners.
Two things. 1 - you’ve never heard of the word “objective” 2- people need to exist for something to be believed, who is going to believe or disbelieve, a bar of soap?
Its hilarious that everybody hears the "smug" in his voice. We have heard a million callers with a range of approaches, but this guy, alone, just embodies "smugness". You can tell just by the way he presents that he has used this exact style on hundreds of "lost" teenagers and found success and now believes he is super clever and has "won" the conversation before its begun. Hearing his voice fall apart, as he realizes he has met his match and the possible realization that the only ones he can outsmart are naive young teenagers, was pure joy.
I can see the teenagers that he speaks to simply zoning out. Not hearing an argument, Professor Andrew thinks he's won some souls with his ironclad argument. 😂
@@googlespynetwork except Professor Dave knows what he is talking about and has won arguments. Dave talks down to morons who think the world is flat, flat earthers are willfully stupid and deserve to be talked down to
jup, been there when he trespassed on our campus, he asked me have you ever told a lie ? i replied shit yeah, he asked what does that make you ? i replied Human, he walked away,
Odin's balls, I wish I could have seen that! Ray Comfort jumpscaring people on campus is like a volunteer in a Halloween maze. He has the shittiest costume, he knows it, and is offended when people don't buy his scripted boo. y@petermeichan3160
The big guy is like a rich kid sneering at poor folks. He's never been weak, vulnerable, full of needs, dependant upon scarce food, had to fight enemies, had to plough a field or work in a coal mine, suffered from illness, got beaten and terrorized by an alcoholic parent... never suffered a moment's discomfort or helplessness or fear or grief or squeaky jazz in a restaurant or anything at all. He made us this way then gets pissed because we react just as He always knew and planned we would. Make it make sense!
On top of all that, just add that we are also born sinful and deserves to burn in hell for all eternity because of that sin. Unless we kiss his perfect and privileged ass of course.
To my eye it's precisely the opposite: The big guy is petty, vindictive, emotionally fragile, demanding, preoccupied with his competitors, desperate for the validation that comes from worship, vengeful, and filled to overflowing with all the worst human frailties. In other words, he has every hallmark of being invented by humans, with human concerns and motives, all for banal or nefarious human reasons.
“Let’s focus on us. Let’s focus on the day” - `Oh by the way, my entire worldview is based on a historical account from 2000 years ago, but pay no attention to that! Follow my script!` 🙄
Andrew was desperately trying to keep control of the conversation because he knew, the moment he wasn't running the show, the stench of his religious *Sky Daddy* nonsense would fill the room and reveal, to everyone, his bag of bullshit for what it is.
Also sounds like a closeted homosexual. Not that that's wrong. Because my moral system allows for homosexuality. And allows me to befriend and love people and not judge them for who they love. But I bet his religion would send him to a fiery burning pit wild Mass murderers and rapists who repented get to go to heaven. I'm sure this argument works on 5 year olds but anyone with half a brain can see right through his pedantic smug bullshit
"THEY ARE CORNERED!" Screams the lost and clueless atheist f00l that thinks star dust, moist rocks and mud puddles have the INTELLIGENCE, POWER, PURPOSE, RESOURCES AND MEANS to create/design LIFE, INTELLIGENCE, LOVE, CONSCIOUSNESS, MORALITY, the human being and ALL the co-existent bodily systems (circulatory, respiratory, reproductive, pulmonic, digestive, skeletal, muscular, nervous, body (skin), etc., etc.) intertwined in co-dependent order in the human body :) Atheism is pure idiocy. The religious cult of atheism is INFAMOUS the world over for having ZERO ANSWERS. That's because atheism RUNS from "reality." I would add that as an atheist, you're bankrupt of RATIONAL/POSSIBLE causes for life, intelligence, consciousness, morality and ALL the co-existent bodily systems (circulatory, respiratory, reproductive, pulmonic, digestive, skeletal, muscular, nervous, body (skin), etc., etc.) intertwined in co-dependent order in the human body. Atheism has no RATIONAL/POSSIBLE, step by step atheist explanation for reality. That’s because there isn’t one. THINK ABOUT what you’re getting into w/ the cult of atheism. GET OUT NOW. I’ll help you find truth. Atheism has none.
The moment he went "the moral code inside you" i knew what he was aiming at and knew he was not gonna say anything new, wasn't expecting him to do that anyway. He thought the way he was gonna talk about it would be new but if he thinks being smug and utterly disengenuous is new here then he never watched this show in his life.
We've all broken our own moral codes, but our codes also exist with various degrees. I have a code that agrees with; "Thou shall not kill" and I have never murdered another human being, but I have killed spiders and flies. I have a code that agrees with; "Thous shall not steal" and I have never robbed a bank or stolen a car, but I have picked up a quarter from the sidewalk, that did not belong to me and I made no attempt to trace the owner who lost that quarter. We all brake some of our own moral codes, but we don't break them all.
@@pythondrink Yes, forces exist everywhere and they produce circumstances, but there is no indication that there is an intelligent entity that designs and enacts the forces.
The word-salad that these theists constantly have to go thru to justify their position is tiring, especially when they haven't brought anything new to the debate in decades.
Our internal moral code does not exist in isolation. It is affected by our parents, siblings, friends, teachers, and society in general. Societies had morals long before the god of the bible was proposed to exist.
The self evident reason all gods are imaginary. One two part question for people with superstitious religious beliefs. (A) If someone told you (or you read in a book) that the sun used matches and candles to spread light and heat at night. Would it be obvious to you, how self evidently illogical, irrational, unreasonable and nonsensical this idea was? (Would you understand why)? (B) If someone told you (or you read in a book) that something capable of creating a universe and everything in it, used puny humans and books to spread accurate information. Would it be obvious to you, how self evidently illogical, irrational, unreasonable and nonsensical this idea was? (Would you understand why)? All gods are imaginary. No people = No imagined gods.
First, the fact that I may fail in what I see as a moral duty does NOT mean I need forgiveness. However, part of MY moral code is that I should try to atone for such things, and I would feel better if those I harmed did forgive me. But I need no forgiveness from a "god" and in fact think it has no RIGHT to forgive me!
you gotta love it when dishonest theists give the 'creator' a free pass from all the moral rules we have to follow as intelligent beings. It's actually quote the opposite - if god is this infinitely intelligent being who created everything, then he should be judged by a much higher standard. How does a MORE intelligent and MORE powerful being get a free pass for fucking up, but we dumb humans on a piece of rock we call Earth are to be judged and sentenced to infinite torment? WTF kind of system is that?
I will never understand how people like this are so amazed that a book written about humans and the world around them by humans applies to their human experiences..... it's like children at a birthday party that are bewildered by a bunny coming out of a magicians hat.
In EVERY instance, the presenter of "evidence" for a god does it in the form of questioning his interlocutor. He NEVER EVER even tries to present actual evidence. I'm most impressed by the patience of the guys that run this show for putting up with the same drivel each weekend for years and years.
A call they've never had before? The caller insisted that god is real, interrupts, avoids questions, makes ridiculous statements, and goes on tangents. They've NEVER had a call like that in the history of the show.
Hi The Driedge. I think the caller should have said that God does kill people. And that's the way it should be. A good judge will put a rapist or murderer in jail and not let them off the hook. If God is a good judge then he will judge annoy who fails his moral standard. God has a much higher standard than us so he can judge people who fall below his
@@marcusmccorkell7464 but will a good judge sentence a whole society to punishment for the crimes of some of its people. Besides, a lot of the 'crimes' being committed were things like 'following other gods' and 'homosexuality' sure there were more awful ones - but it is a propagandistic notion to claim ALL of the people were doing ALL of the worst things. You think a 5 month old baby was sacrificing its child?
@@thedriedge24 Hi The Driedge. Good question. No a good judge will only judge people for what they have done themselves. The issue is what standard you are using for good. In God's eyes good is morally perfect. So anyone who falls below this standard will have to be judged. Not just murderers/rapists etc but people who seem good on human standards (which are very low). I completely fail them myself. Was there a specific example regarding the baby you were referring to?
@@marcusmccorkell7464 the baby I'm referring to is every single baby god drowned in the flood, amd commanded his people to kill during the conquest of canaan. He repeatedly commanded to leave no one alive. Also I know that according to christian theology, even the good people deserve hell because they are not perfect like god. Which is absolutely horrible. So if I understand right, you're defending god's use of genocide on the grounds that "welp, no one's perfect, so I guess god is right to have everyone slaughtered". And that is abominable.
Why worry about your sins when you will be forgiven if you go to confession to a priest? This literally means that you can do anything that 'god' has forbidden, as long as you go to confession. The priests themselves eagerly used this rule after abusing children, confess and you will be forgiven.
Im English, i l am living in paradise, Sri Lanka, i was christian for 40 years, but choose to disbelieve it, for what it is a business!! Here in Sri lanka, iv chosen, open mindedly, to look at Buddhism. No supreme being, its a way to live our lives, with Honesty, im not totally convinced. But see how people live their lives, harmonious, no mega expectations, just living, being the best person you can, i like it.Big love to you all.
My grandmother was the worst person I ever knew (and a diagnosed psychopath) Virtually everyone who ever crossed her path was made to suffer. Some trivially, others tremendously. But because she always had this "little old lady" look, even in her 40's, she never received a hint of justice in her life. Not so much as a traffic ticket in a lifetime of assaults, thefts, SA, literal torture and almost any abuse one can imagine. She once even got caught red-handed slashing a neighbor's tires, right as the police officer drove by and manipulated her way out of it What I'm getting at is the caller is thinking in reverse. Religions don't provide some ultimate justice for the evil people of the world. The hope that one day people like my grandma would receive a little justice is the reason we dreamed it all up in the first place. The day she died I had to except she would never even be recognized for how she treated her fellow human beings. That she got away with it all Scott free, is one of the hardest things I've ever had to live with but all the ancient myths in the world won't change that sad fact.
@@jonathanwhitaker9115 keep in mind I kept that comment as short as I could. Just listing the shit she did to my two children and myself in a year we lived with her a few years before she died could fill a book. Credit where credit is due she did let us move in during that year when I lost my house but she regretted it in less than a month and a million suppressed memories (something I didn't necessarily believe in before) of mine came rushing back. It was as if we both forgot what kind of person she was 😆
God was just observed in my back yard. In an hour or so he will disappear into darkness. We must get up early tomorrow morn and chant the right words, then he will rise from darkness. So help me Sun.
@jeffreyr.gilbertjr.1321 wow! That’s brilliant. You caught me. I guess I do believe and therefore he exists! And every person who mentions Frodo makes him exist. And Thor. And Allah. And leprechauns.
@jeffreyr.gilbertjr.1321 He needs to beg forgiveness for killing millions of humans and for the list of crimes against humanity he has perpetrated. I created my children, doesn’t mean I can harm them and I don’t ask them to worship them and I would ask them to forgive me if I was ever cruel to them. Just more examples of me being more moral than the god made up thousands of years ago by less enlightened people.
Evolutionary awareness begets understanding, begets, empathy, begets ethics, begets morality, You can see, this from extremely primitive to very sophisticated in many species on earth. No imaginary absolute source required.
@@SimonWoodburyForget we are inviting people to change our minds. I certainly don't care about changing the mind of delusional, ignorant and irrational people. You cannot change the mind of someone like that by nature.
@jeffreyr.gilbertjr.1321 Repeat after me: Jesus is just a LEGEND, MYTH. We have ZERO EVIDENCE ABOUT HIS EXISTENCE outside of the bible and in the bible everything is just a hearsay written decades after his alleged existence. Babbling about Jesus is as much valid as babbling about Sauron from Lord of the Ring.
@jeffreyr.gilbertjr.1321 Repeat after me: there is no such thing as god in reality. Clear evidence shows us that every isolated society created their own version of gods, their own verion of LOCAL FLOOD, their own version of Earth and universe. There are no mutually isolated two places in the world where people have the same gods, that clearly proves that EVERY IDEA OF EVERY GOD IS MAN MADE.
Sky daddy is the sun. God was just observed in my back yard. In an hour or so he will disappear into darkness. We must get up early tomorrow morn and chant the right words, then he will rise from darkness. So help me Sun.
@@harveywabbit9541 GPS targeted surgical nuke strike on atheism: A ROCK DID IT. A Rock came from a bang and it got rained on & produced a soup that produced a first cell that had the DNA of the human being, 9 million DIFFERENT animals and 300,000 DIFFERENT plants, including systems to eat, digest food, eliminate waste, move, breathe & reproduce. Simple. We can prove it in the lab. THIS IS THE STUPIDITY OF THE FAITH IN A GODLESS REALITY!!
All religions promote the same moral code , including non theistic/atheistic ones like Buddhism and Jainism . We all recognize and acknowledge that the 2 most basic inborn drives/instincts we have are the instinct for survival and the natural reaction to recoil from pain and suffering. This basic notion is the foundation for the “golden rule “. Early hominids figured it out . It’s much better to cooperate than to be beaten over the head with a club or lose a loved one or lose your own life in intertribal conflict
Maybe I’m boring, but I can’t remember a time when my actions didn’t align with my morals. I believe in forgiving others & myself of small mistakes, but most of my life I’ve been a good girl & been called a goody-two-shoes, and I keep within my morals. Is that so strange, that a conscientious person would make no major mistakes, just small ones infrequently?
Everyone’s actions always align with their morals. If they don’t, the person doesn’t understand their morals and thinks they’re a better person than what they are.
@@fruitcloud5679 Spiders, many snakes (reptiles in general, i think), hares, and koalas - to name some. They prefer to live alone, only coming together to mate (some may do so for other reasons)
God was just observed in my back yard. In an hour or so he will disappear into darkness. We must get up early tomorrow morn and chant the right words, then he will rise from darkness. So help me Sun.
The boys were visibly delighted when Andrew said he had something that might have never been discussed before. One minute later, moral codes, raised eyebrows, downhill in a southerly direction from there…😳
I asked someone in the comments of a different video if they got any irrefutable evidence for their god and was met with a "What's ur criteria for evidence and if you would believe in a religion if "irrefutable proof" was provided?" hypothetical as a reply. After asking again, I got the same question with a "I'll answer you after you answered me first" added to it. Dodge and deflection, every time.
Andrew: "there must be some sort of justice for mistakes we have made." No, that's just wishful thinking. And especially if you take a look at Christianity, there is no justice for mistakes being made because it is an unjust system/
We don't need forgiveness, as to be forgiven is to excused without cost to the wrongdoer. What we need to do, is take responsibility for our actions, and consciously decide to do better in future.
That guy who says "hello, can you hear me" right after communication has already been established. You just know that they're not here to do any listening.
I can see Andrew's coworker quickly finishing lunch when he enters the break room.
Hilarious. Cheers. Gave me a good laugh, which is rare when watching, and especially so when listening to people like Andrew
Lmao!
Andrew is deadly dull and full of cr*P
Buddhism has a moral code
If we are all lucky, he only has ONE coworker. Imagine exposing that level of stupidity to a large group, oh wait.
If I fall short I of my personal morality, I only seek forgiveness from anyone I have wronged. My morality does not require me to ask forgiveness from a deity.
Incidentally, Jesus mentioned this, but it’s not all that to Christians.
The worst part is that many of them don’t deal with the people they wrong if they already apologized to their god and convince themselves they’re forgiven
@jeffreyr.gilbertjr.1321Saying that your god created everything is a whole lot of jibberish if you can't even provide evidence for a god in the first place.
Why talk about a god if you have no proof of one.
No one cares.
@jeffreyr.gilbertjr.1321 Seeing as I have no need for the belief of a god in my life, I have a certain joy in sinning. Day and night. Blasphemy is cool also.
@jeffreyr.gilbertjr.1321 Sorry to say, but you're full of shit. I have one life, that's it. No fantasy afterlife to fall back on. No pile of crap baggage like you carry around like an albatross.
"hold on, hold on, wait, wait, wait" meaning "let me finish to read my script without bringing up reasonable criticism to what I just said"
"Let's focus in today" meaning "let's don't talk about slavery in the Bible"
Slavery? No, God FREED the Hebrew "slaves" under Pharaoh. I've been an expert theologian for 50 yrs. You stand no chance against my knowledge and acumen. To be brief (and I can certainly expound), the Bible is never wrong. For centuries the lost, such as yourself, have tried to discount The proven Word of God to no avail. The slavery try has been debunked. It was a different culture of 3,500 yrs ago in which debt was voluntarily paid via voluntary servitude. For example: Jacob had to work 7 yrs just to pay for his wife. And his wife's Father cheated Jacob, saying he had to marry his older daughter. So THEN Jacob had to work another 7 yrs to get the bride he wanted - Rebecca. And if Rebecca's father died, his oldest son could inherit the debt owed by Jacob - having it passed onto him. So the atheist’s accusation that God approved slavery is debunked. They were not slaves with no rules, but servants WITH RULES during a totally different culture of 3,500 yrs ago when compared to today. Once the fact is presented that it was a different culture and debt was pd by voluntary servitude, the atheist loses.
“I’ve been an expert theologian for 50 years”
Bullshite. You still think the Bible has just 66 books.
The Ethiopian Bible, which is perhaps the oldest Christian Bible, includes somewhere between 81 to 84 books, depending on different factors. The Roman Catholic Bible has 73 books, and the Greek Orthodox Bible-without an official number-is somewhat larger, with somewhere between 75 and 79 books. The Syriac Bible also has quite a wide range of different books.
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And you keep lying about slavery, an “expert theologian” would know both debt slavery and slavery as it’s understood today existed.
@@tonyclements1147 'Debt slavery'. I guess I am a slave to my bank to pay off my home loan. I have been indebted to others for favours, and have fulfilled the debt. As far as I am aware, slavery by force and for life was never part of Judaism and is not a requirement of Christianity. Any church goer who promotes or sanctions slavery is contrary to the teachings of Jesus. We are all debtors, yet Christ has paided our debts in full.
@@garyfearon3018slavery is a massive part of judaism and christianity and is in your holy books.
How can you say it isn't, that comment just says that you know nothing about your disgusting religious beliefs.
Andrew sounds like he teaches Sunday school and the stuff he’s saying works with all the kids so he thinks it should work here.
Or the staff in the Rubber room gave him access to a Phone
😂😂 accurate
Andrew sounds like an idiot.
It’s scary to think that Andrew is allowed to “teach”(brainwash) children. Scary and very very sad
I was thinking the same thing. Folks like this are used to spewing their bullshit to their echo chamber, and not having any opposition.
I'm confident that the kindergarten Christian callers are known to say anything to get on the show. During the debate, the caller was put in a tight spot several times, and it was clear that he wasn't equipped to handle the situation. Moreover, many people do not realize that evading a direct question not only answers it but also reveals the reason why they are hesitant to respond.
Don's "I stand corrected" was comedy gold. Great job.
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Don is so subtly funny lol
He 'sits' corrected...
My favorite Don moment 😂
Comedy gold! 😂
Next time I get called into the office to be reprimanded for something I've done. I'm just going to blurt out "We need to stay focused on here and us".
If that doesn't satisfy, try the old "the Devil made me do it" chestnut.
Don't forget to start with "this has never been discussed before"
Tell your boss he just likes to sin against you
Callers like these can’t even recognize how smug and arrogant they are. An example of the dangers of religion
@@SimonWoodburyForget Id suggest its infinitely more arrogant to suggest 'god' instead of 'i dont know', when questioned about the origin of the universe.....
@@SimonWoodburyForget Much rather be arrogant due to *supporting evidence* than be arrogant AND ignorant due to *faith*
@@SimonWoodburyForget you got 2 replies mate, if you think thats enough evidence that you are right then..... you do you i guess. Please address my point, what about saying 'i dont know' on the origin of the universe, SPECIFICALLY makes me just as arrogant as someone saying a god created the universe (something that actually needs to be backed up by evidence)
@@Simon-nv5zj Hey Simon, there is evidence for God. Creation proves a creator. Human beings dig up a simple stone wall and conclude that there was some type of civilisation. Universe cannot create itself, there must be a creator.
@@marcusmccorkell7464 Your reasoning is incredibly flawed and fallacious.
The people you're arguing with know more about athiesm and your own faith than you do.
Pick up a book and drop using 1st grade level arguments. That's 101 level BS that convinces nobody.
This is a textbook example of passive agressiveness.
Also: homeschooling, poor social skills, teachers named Auntie-Mom and Uncle-Dad and a family tree with only one branch. This ill-tempered, misshapen, inbred miscreant is the load its "mother" *(LOL)* should have swallowed. Luckily any just world would see this accident gelded at birth and it's obviously far too stupid to drive a car, vote or reproduce. Kind of terrifying that it can buy firearms though.....
Can we just agree that when the caller says 'specifically speaking' he means 'cherry picking'?
You feel good when everyone agrees with you?
@@googlespynetwork Define 'everyone'-46 likes?
@@googlespynetworkCome on. Asking reasonable questions is just trying to get ppl To agree with you?
The bible & other books were writen by late bronze age shamen.Just opinions.Others are available. Oh wait,I am off to part the red sea,then walk across the waters then travel from mecca to madena on the back of a winged horse.Squse me.BYE !
People are really not happy having their Santa Clauses taken away. 😅
Santa isn't the cause/source of this world, but something is. You have a lot to learn.
@@eleanorgeorge7069
“You have a lot to learn..”
Like, how to lie and survive in prison?
@@eleanorgeorge7069 we all have a lot to learn. Tell me something I don’t know
God is many things. See Deuteronomy 32.18 where god is a huge phallus aka rock that begat thee.
@@eleanorgeorge7069Nor your imaginary gawd. 😂😂😂😂
If god has written our moral codes, then why are they so vastly different? Instead of making one unifying code for everyone he just decided to press the “randomize” button, truly an amazing creator.
Do you want to explain what you are saying ?
Check out how God treated Job.
@@dead_inside674 Things are happening in heaven that we are completely unaware of .To Jobs friends it seemed that He was being punished for some persistent evil sin he was secretly committing , but Job maintained his innocence and never blasphemed God .as Satan said he would . Our sufferings in this world are only temporary , Satan will someday be locked away where he can no longer deceive us anymore . God blessed Job his entire life , for 200 years and made his friends apologize to Job for their accusations against him
Exactly.
@jwsanders1214 it was pretty self explanatory.
Why does everyones ‘proof of god’ always start with a bunch of lead in gotcha type questions all based in a poorly thought out analogy?
Every single time 🤦
It’s never ‘here’s my evidence’
….mainly because they know there is no evidence.
Preamble seems a prerequisite for explaining your faith.
Because kaka 💩 can only be explained with lies
@@TheKosmikid That wasn't the question was it, this individual claimed he had evidence. Instead of presenting his supposed evidence he went into some rambling irrational stream of arrogant BS. Faith wasn't the issue.
@@gazza595you can’t believe any of that bullshit without faith.
Preambles are the big red flags of a condescending tool.
This is a guy who constructed a perect 'gotcha' argument in his head which didn't work outside his head.
1:10 " and we can all participate in this.." 'sounds like a script for children
I'll say😂
Don’t really want to imagine this bloke around kids
@@RidetheGeoffening If To Catch A Predator was still on tv I think Andrew would make an appearance.
@@OfficialSeth lol
He's like the preacher who takes one banal story and stretches it out for twenty minutes.
I believe Andrew is a preacher.
@@secularsunshine9036 How many preachers are smart enough to have realized what they preach is BS and harmful, but haven't been trained in any other way to make a living? The Clergy Project exists for a reason!
* twenty years
I had a preacher tell a banal story for 3+ hours once. I think that was the moment I was converted to atheism lol.
I remember sitting church listen to those damn surmons/stories. Mind numbingly boring.
To me, this is what he sounds like: “Let’s stay focused on the stuff that proves my point and avoid the stuff that disproves it.”
This guy sounds like the teacher from Beavis and Butthead
Bahahahahahahaha 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I guess the only things you should brake Is the "code" of your poetic language, which Is the most dangerous tool.
Omg the hippy treehugger lookin dude YES!!
Yes!! LOL the treehugger lookin hippy dude!! Absolutely!!
which are you , probably Butthead , right ?
Why do you believe something you can't prove ?
"there's something in you, guiding you..."
Yeah... It's called empathy. No spirits or gods needed.
Did a ROCK give you "empathy?" Or maybe it was moon dirt? How about star dust? Just what part of BASIC NATURE had "empathy" to give you and the MEANS & PURPOSE to give it? Or could it be that an "empathetic" God gave it to you as he created you:
“Then G0D said, “Let us (Trinity: Father, Word, Holy Spirit) make mankind in our image, in our likeness...” - Genesis 1:26
You have a lot to learn.
@@eleanorgeorge7069 I'd argue you have a lot to learn. I never stated a rock or moon dust taught me empathy. Don't straw man me. My parents taught me empathy. My friends and family taught me empathy. I can see what harms people with my own eyes. Eyes that we can show evolved. Not created by an invisible mass killer who shows no empathy at all.
@@eleanorgeorge7069
Where did GOD get empathy? Right - we don't want to think about those things! But we have good explanations for why WE have empathy - it is necessary for the survival of any social species. If we did not have it we would not be here to discuss it. Nature gave me empathy the same way it gave me eyes - they are useful for the survival of the species and thus those traits were selected for by evolution.
We see this sort of empathic behavior in EVERY social species, and usually a lack of it in non-social species. Dolphins defend each other and care for each other and have even been known to protect humans. Sharks don't do that. Why did god give dolphins empathy and not sharks?
YOU have a lot to learn, and your foolish nonsense about rocks proves it. No one GAVE us empathy, it developed in our species. Just because you have an old book that says "God dun it" means nothing.
@@petervargo1696
Your parents did not "teach" you empathy - you were born with it. But they nurtured that within you in ways that made you more empathetic than you might otherwise have been. Just as my parents did not teach me intelligence - I was born with it, they just provided a stimulating environment and encouraged me to use my mind and taught me some HOW to use it better. But neither of those traits were "given" to us. They developed through the evolutionary process.
@@pdoylemi I can get on board with that.
He's just following his precious bible script.
It's called scripture.
@@googlespynetwork its called nonsense.
@@googlespynetwork It's called fiction.
The Bible has so far proven to be totally factual.
Proven to whom, exactly?
Andrew seems to have a flow-chart in front of him for this call, and he "agrees" only to buy time to re-path his terrible argument every time he hits a dead-end.
Also Don is the savage best at incisive one-liners.
Childish arrogant Andrew
I think this caller believes that “moral codes” are things that exist with or without people to create, edit, and believe them. They are not.
Two things. 1 - you’ve never heard of the word “objective” 2- people need to exist for something to be believed, who is going to believe or disbelieve, a bar of soap?
The caller is so smug and patronising with zero evidence to back up his biblical BS.
Well said.
I want to say that he's probably a pastor-I recognize the tone from years of church.
Now now NOW LETS STAY FOCUED ON NOW AND US. OKAY? NOW AND US? MMMKAY? mmkay.
@@ruggedg23Most of which are Christian.
NEVER been discussed on this show. 🙄
Its hilarious that everybody hears the "smug" in his voice. We have heard a million callers with a range of approaches, but this guy, alone, just embodies "smugness". You can tell just by the way he presents that he has used this exact style on hundreds of "lost" teenagers and found success and now believes he is super clever and has "won" the conversation before its begun.
Hearing his voice fall apart, as he realizes he has met his match and the possible realization that the only ones he can outsmart are naive young teenagers, was pure joy.
He's like that professor Dave guy.
I can see the teenagers that he speaks to simply zoning out. Not hearing an argument, Professor Andrew thinks he's won some souls with his ironclad argument. 😂
@@googlespynetwork except Professor Dave knows what he is talking about and has won arguments. Dave talks down to morons who think the world is flat, flat earthers are willfully stupid and deserve to be talked down to
Was that Ray Comfort calling in? That is exactly his sequence that he tries to catch some young students with.
jup, been there when he trespassed on our campus, he asked me have you ever told a lie ? i replied shit yeah, he asked what does that make you ? i replied Human, he walked away,
I was literally coming to the comments looking for this, it's Comfort's spiel to the core
Odin's balls, I wish I could have seen that! Ray Comfort jumpscaring people on campus is like a volunteer in a Halloween maze. He has the shittiest costume, he knows it, and is offended when people don't buy his scripted boo.
y@petermeichan3160
Andrew comes from a long line of apologists who call in to read from Comfort-esque gotcha scripts.
Apologetics haven't changed in 2,000 years 🥱
I was thinking of Ray Comfort's "gotcha" tactics as well. His usually starts out with asking "Do you think you're a good person?"
The big guy is like a rich kid sneering at poor folks. He's never been weak, vulnerable, full of needs, dependant upon scarce food, had to fight enemies, had to plough a field or work in a coal mine, suffered from illness, got beaten and terrorized by an alcoholic parent... never suffered a moment's discomfort or helplessness or fear or grief or squeaky jazz in a restaurant or anything at all. He made us this way then gets pissed because we react just as He always knew and planned we would. Make it make sense!
On top of all that, just add that we are also born sinful and deserves to burn in hell for all eternity because of that sin. Unless we kiss his perfect and privileged ass of course.
What does squeaky jazz have to do with anything?
@@RoderickEtheria 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂❤
To my eye it's precisely the opposite: The big guy is petty, vindictive, emotionally fragile, demanding, preoccupied with his competitors, desperate for the validation that comes from worship, vengeful, and filled to overflowing with all the worst human frailties. In other words, he has every hallmark of being invented by humans, with human concerns and motives, all for banal or nefarious human reasons.
You’re likely right. This guy is not as intelligent as he thinks
“Fictional until proven non-fictional” is a great tagline for atheism
@jeffreyr.gilbertjr.1321Fictional
@jeffreyr.gilbertjr.1321god bot
@jeffreyr.gilbertjr.1321seems like a cult mentality to me 😂
@jeffreyr.gilbertjr.1321No.
You shouldn't need to tell anyone, it should just be able to happen on its own.
@jeffreyr.gilbertjr.1321 It's a 'NO' from me, but thanks for the offer.😀
“Let’s focus on us. Let’s focus on the day” - `Oh by the way, my entire worldview is based on a historical account from 2000 years ago, but pay no attention to that! Follow my script!` 🙄
Let's focus on today...so here in the Bible 😂
Andrew was desperately trying to keep control of the conversation because he knew, the moment he wasn't running the show, the stench of his religious *Sky Daddy* nonsense would fill the room and reveal, to everyone, his bag of bullshit for what it is.
I’ve never heard this call before but I have a prophesy: this will not be anything new and it won’t be evidence for god.
You're a prophet!
@@Ghalaghor_McAllistor I should probably start a religion
@@MrMattSax We can make a religion out of this!
No, don't.
I believe!
You're right on both counts.
This show needs some sound board effects....
In my minds I was thinking George Carlin saying "But he loves you" 😂
he loves you ... and he needs MONEY
@@asayake1 🤣🤣🤣
Comedy gold!
Guy sounds like one of those 'spiritual teachers' for kids and teenagers...
Also sounds like a closeted homosexual. Not that that's wrong. Because my moral system allows for homosexuality. And allows me to befriend and love people and not judge them for who they love. But I bet his religion would send him to a fiery burning pit wild Mass murderers and rapists who repented get to go to heaven. I'm sure this argument works on 5 year olds but anyone with half a brain can see right through his pedantic smug bullshit
a paedo
Isn't a rainbow evidence of God?
@@CynthiaMcGee-c7s I know you're joking but hell no
@@CynthiaMcGee-c7s Only if you're a Viking warrior from the 9th century. You're not, are you?
He sounds like a preacher who used to talking to 6 year olds.
Gotta love how they stop and think when they understand they're cornered. What they come up with next is the sad bit, unfortunately...
His script didn`t cover being cornered
"THEY ARE CORNERED!" Screams the lost and clueless atheist f00l that thinks star dust, moist rocks and mud puddles have the INTELLIGENCE, POWER, PURPOSE, RESOURCES AND MEANS to create/design LIFE, INTELLIGENCE, LOVE, CONSCIOUSNESS, MORALITY, the human being and ALL the co-existent bodily systems (circulatory, respiratory, reproductive, pulmonic, digestive, skeletal, muscular, nervous, body (skin), etc., etc.) intertwined in co-dependent order in the human body :) Atheism is pure idiocy.
The religious cult of atheism is INFAMOUS the world over for having ZERO ANSWERS. That's because atheism RUNS from "reality." I would add that as an atheist, you're bankrupt of RATIONAL/POSSIBLE causes for life, intelligence, consciousness, morality and ALL the co-existent bodily systems (circulatory, respiratory, reproductive, pulmonic, digestive, skeletal, muscular, nervous, body (skin), etc., etc.) intertwined in co-dependent order in the human body.
Atheism has no RATIONAL/POSSIBLE, step by step atheist explanation for reality. That’s because there isn’t one. THINK ABOUT what you’re getting into w/ the cult of atheism. GET OUT NOW. I’ll help you find truth. Atheism has none.
"they"? Is the caller a "they"?
@@googlespynetwork I mean in general, I've seen many who followed the exact same pattern of behavior
@@googlespynetwork It's new English. People can claim multiplicity if they wish. I prefer he/legion.
Andrew was so proud of himself initially. Painfully so. But then went down in flames mad quick. Also painfully lol
The moment he went "the moral code inside you" i knew what he was aiming at and knew he was not gonna say anything new, wasn't expecting him to do that anyway. He thought the way he was gonna talk about it would be new but if he thinks being smug and utterly disengenuous is new here then he never watched this show in his life.
It's not a force that makes me break my code, it's circumstances
We've all broken our own moral codes, but our codes also exist with various degrees. I have a code that agrees with; "Thou shall not kill" and I have never murdered another human being, but I have killed spiders and flies. I have a code that agrees with; "Thous shall not steal" and I have never robbed a bank or stolen a car, but I have picked up a quarter from the sidewalk, that did not belong to me and I made no attempt to trace the owner who lost that quarter. We all brake some of our own moral codes, but we don't break them all.
What are circumstances if not forces? Every that happens in the universe is due to forces. I'm talking physics.
@@pythondrink Yes, forces exist everywhere and they produce circumstances, but there is no indication that there is an intelligent entity that designs and enacts the forces.
@@chrisgraham2904 Did I say otherwise? I'm an atheist lol. I was just correcting OP on physics.
The word-salad that these theists constantly have to go thru to justify their position is tiring, especially when they haven't brought anything new to the debate in decades.
Must be a highly complicated life being a theist.
Another prime example of a caller fitting the age old metaphor of leaping before they look.
As soon as he began with that strange theist speak, I knew he was doomed. 😂
Cut price Ray Comfort.
Not a Ray of comfort😅
Ray Cumfart
Our internal moral code does not exist in isolation. It is affected by our parents, siblings, friends, teachers, and society in general.
Societies had morals long before the god of the bible was proposed to exist.
The self evident reason all gods are imaginary.
One two part question for people with superstitious religious beliefs.
(A) If someone told you (or you read in a book) that the sun used matches and candles to spread light and heat at night.
Would it be obvious to you, how self evidently illogical, irrational, unreasonable and nonsensical this idea was? (Would you understand why)?
(B) If someone told you (or you read in a book) that something capable of creating a universe and everything in it, used puny humans and books to spread accurate information.
Would it be obvious to you, how self evidently illogical, irrational, unreasonable and nonsensical this idea was? (Would you understand why)?
All gods are imaginary. No people = No imagined gods.
First, the fact that I may fail in what I see as a moral duty does NOT mean I need forgiveness. However, part of MY moral code is that I should try to atone for such things, and I would feel better if those I harmed did forgive me. But I need no forgiveness from a "god" and in fact think it has no RIGHT to forgive me!
you gotta love it when dishonest theists give the 'creator' a free pass from all the moral rules we have to follow as intelligent beings. It's actually quote the opposite - if god is this infinitely intelligent being who created everything, then he should be judged by a much higher standard. How does a MORE intelligent and MORE powerful being get a free pass for fucking up, but we dumb humans on a piece of rock we call Earth are to be judged and sentenced to infinite torment? WTF kind of system is that?
It's called "might makes right."
Just a quick one. The thumbnail says "Brand new evidence for God". I didn't know any existed before now???
😁😁😁
@jeffreyr.gilbertjr.1321No. Keep your fantasy life to yourself
Well there are all those pieces of toast
And another theist falls flat on their face...
As all have for the last 2000+ years
I will never understand how people like this are so amazed that a book written about humans and the world around them by humans applies to their human experiences..... it's like children at a birthday party that are bewildered by a bunny coming out of a magicians hat.
In EVERY instance, the presenter of "evidence" for a god does it in the form of questioning his interlocutor. He NEVER EVER even tries to present actual evidence. I'm most impressed by the patience of the guys that run this show for putting up with the same drivel each weekend for years and years.
Long ago did they go bald after pulling their hair out from frustration
Long ago did they go bald after pulling their hair out from frustration
A call they've never had before? The caller insisted that god is real, interrupts, avoids questions, makes ridiculous statements, and goes on tangents. They've NEVER had a call like that in the history of the show.
I think I know why this argument has never been used before.
I _think_ I know what you're thinking, and no, that doesn't usually stop them.
Andrew is unable to hear anything that destroys his nonsensical arguments, which is virtually everything.
Bro's mind was grinding HARD in that last bit. He really had to put in some serious effort not to call his god a mass murderer
Hi The Driedge. I think the caller should have said that God does kill people. And that's the way it should be. A good judge will put a rapist or murderer in jail and not let them off the hook. If God is a good judge then he will judge annoy who fails his moral standard. God has a much higher standard than us so he can judge people who fall below his
@@marcusmccorkell7464 but will a good judge sentence a whole society to punishment for the crimes of some of its people. Besides, a lot of the 'crimes' being committed were things like 'following other gods' and 'homosexuality' sure there were more awful ones - but it is a propagandistic notion to claim ALL of the people were doing ALL of the worst things. You think a 5 month old baby was sacrificing its child?
@@thedriedge24 Hi The Driedge. Good question. No a good judge will only judge people for what they have done themselves. The issue is what standard you are using for good. In God's eyes good is morally perfect. So anyone who falls below this standard will have to be judged. Not just murderers/rapists etc but people who seem good on human standards (which are very low). I completely fail them myself. Was there a specific example regarding the baby you were referring to?
@@marcusmccorkell7464 the baby I'm referring to is every single baby god drowned in the flood, amd commanded his people to kill during the conquest of canaan. He repeatedly commanded to leave no one alive.
Also I know that according to christian theology, even the good people deserve hell because they are not perfect like god. Which is absolutely horrible. So if I understand right, you're defending god's use of genocide on the grounds that "welp, no one's perfect, so I guess god is right to have everyone slaughtered". And that is abominable.
@@marcusmccorkell7464 God murdered every single kitten in the world...
“Why do I need forgiveness from an invisible mass murderer?”
Mic drop.
Note to Christians: The whole meek Mr Rodgers schtick is not persuasive 🙄🤘🏼
Only Mr. Rogers could pull that off.
@@steveOCalley Because Mr Rogers never tried to bullshit us
Dear Andrew from Fresno, CA. Get a real life and leave people alone.
Well said.
Dons laughter is infectious 😅
"you all suck and are bad unless you do exactly what god wants, which is in this book that I wrote and because god told me to."
I never thought I’d want to punch Ned Flanders, but here I am.
Gotta love it when they are running a script someone gave to them when it goes off the rails. You can hear their gears in their heads grind.
Why worry about your sins when you will be forgiven if you go to confession to a priest? This literally means that you can do anything that 'god' has forbidden, as long as you go to confession. The priests themselves eagerly used this rule after abusing children, confess and you will be forgiven.
Yep
Im English, i l am living in paradise, Sri Lanka, i was christian for 40 years, but choose to disbelieve it, for what it is a business!!
Here in Sri lanka, iv chosen, open mindedly, to look at Buddhism. No supreme being, its a way to live our lives, with Honesty, im not totally convinced. But see how people live their lives, harmonious, no mega expectations, just living, being the best person you can, i like it.Big love to you all.
Some of my moral code came about following mistakes I've made.
Same, I make a mistake and realize "oh crap, I shouldn't do that again because it caused harm."
That theist was dishonest, squirmed all he could to evade questions and didn't bring any evidence... Shocking ! 🙄
My grandmother was the worst person I ever knew (and a diagnosed psychopath) Virtually everyone who ever crossed her path was made to suffer. Some trivially, others tremendously. But because she always had this "little old lady" look, even in her 40's, she never received a hint of justice in her life. Not so much as a traffic ticket in a lifetime of assaults, thefts, SA, literal torture and almost any abuse one can imagine. She once even got caught red-handed slashing a neighbor's tires, right as the police officer drove by and manipulated her way out of it
What I'm getting at is the caller is thinking in reverse. Religions don't provide some ultimate justice for the evil people of the world. The hope that one day people like my grandma would receive a little justice is the reason we dreamed it all up in the first place. The day she died I had to except she would never even be recognized for how she treated her fellow human beings. That she got away with it all Scott free, is one of the hardest things I've ever had to live with but all the ancient myths in the world won't change that sad fact.
Sorry to hear this, it's a very sad story.😮
@@jonathanwhitaker9115 keep in mind I kept that comment as short as I could. Just listing the shit she did to my two children and myself in a year we lived with her a few years before she died could fill a book.
Credit where credit is due she did let us move in during that year when I lost my house but she regretted it in less than a month and a million suppressed memories (something I didn't necessarily believe in before) of mine came rushing back. It was as if we both forgot what kind of person she was 😆
@@theriffwriter2194 Your story sounds like it deserves a proper telling. A play, maybe, or a film.
Andrew's been sniffing the Sunday school glue
It seems to me that it is God who should be asking forgiveness from us.
God was just observed in my back yard. In an hour or so he will disappear into darkness. We must get up early tomorrow morn and chant the right words, then he will rise from darkness. So help me Sun.
@jeffreyr.gilbertjr.1321 wow! That’s brilliant. You caught me. I guess I do believe and therefore he exists! And every person who mentions Frodo makes him exist. And Thor. And Allah. And leprechauns.
@jeffreyr.gilbertjr.1321 He needs to beg forgiveness for killing millions of humans and for the list of crimes against humanity he has perpetrated. I created my children, doesn’t mean I can harm them and I don’t ask them to worship them and I would ask them to forgive me if I was ever cruel to them. Just more examples of me being more moral than the god made up thousands of years ago by less enlightened people.
@jeffreyr.gilbertjr.1321yeah we already shot this one down. This is just rambling crap so you can stop.
@jeffreyr.gilbertjr.1321definitely not how that works, wiseass, but at least you aren't just copy pasting the same bullshit again
Do we all have the same morals ? Since we don't, was god confused when he wrote it on our souls ?
Something something free will the fall Satan sin entered the world
The ink didn’t dry. You’d think a god would have better writing implements, but he was busy that day.
Andrew sounds like he is talking to a Sunday School class of 6th graders. What a poltroon.
Why do I need forgiveness from an invisible mass murderer 😂😂😂😂
Because he (the invisible mass murderer) said you did. 🤣
Evolutionary awareness begets understanding, begets, empathy, begets ethics, begets morality,
You can see, this from extremely primitive to very sophisticated in many species on earth.
No imaginary absolute source required.
This guy makes me want to take a nap.
How do these theists think they are convincing anyone with word games? Just produce your god. Shouldn't be that hard if it exists 😂
@jeffreyr.gilbertjr.1321 Liar
@@SimonWoodburyForget we are inviting people to change our minds.
I certainly don't care about changing the mind of delusional, ignorant and irrational people. You cannot change the mind of someone like that by nature.
@@SimonWoodburyForget "think they are convincing anyone with logic? "
You mean the logic of not believing in something that has never been proven?
@jeffreyr.gilbertjr.1321 Repeat after me: Jesus is just a LEGEND, MYTH. We have ZERO EVIDENCE ABOUT HIS EXISTENCE outside of the bible and in the bible everything is just a hearsay written decades after his alleged existence. Babbling about Jesus is as much valid as babbling about Sauron from Lord of the Ring.
@jeffreyr.gilbertjr.1321 Repeat after me: there is no such thing as god in reality. Clear evidence shows us that every isolated society created their own version of gods, their own verion of LOCAL FLOOD, their own version of Earth and universe. There are no mutually isolated two places in the world where people have the same gods, that clearly proves that EVERY IDEA OF EVERY GOD IS MAN MADE.
I've listened to every axp ever, more than twice. Andrews call is in my top 10 favourites
Andrew I don't need any input from your magic sky fairy
Sky daddy is the sun.
God was just observed in my back yard. In an hour or so he will disappear into darkness. We must get up early tomorrow morn and chant the right words, then he will rise from darkness. So help me Sun.
@@harveywabbit9541 GPS targeted surgical nuke strike on atheism: A ROCK DID IT. A Rock came from a bang and it got rained on & produced a soup that produced a first cell that had the DNA of the human being, 9 million DIFFERENT animals and 300,000 DIFFERENT plants, including systems to eat, digest food, eliminate waste, move, breathe & reproduce. Simple. We can prove it in the lab.
THIS IS THE STUPIDITY OF THE FAITH IN A GODLESS REALITY!!
This guy is so good at calling out and exposing logical fallacies. A true artist at work. Thanks, on behalf of us all!
If the story of Noah is true he nearly killed all of humanity .
Nearly all animals, possibly all fungi and definitely every plant.
The ark is the vagina. Noah is the phallus who enters the vagina.
He had a bunch of STDs.
@@AXKfUN9m NO, NOT THE MUSHROOMS!
Andrew: "Let me be a smug prick by accusing you of doing the thing that only I am doing."
This caller seems to have truly mastered the art of never getting to the point.
I got the point pretty easily.
They enjoy the tension of the build-up. Mental masturbation at its finest.
All religions promote the same moral code , including non theistic/atheistic ones like Buddhism and Jainism . We all recognize and acknowledge that the 2 most basic inborn drives/instincts we have are the instinct for survival and the natural reaction to recoil from pain and suffering. This basic notion is the foundation for the “golden rule “. Early hominids figured it out . It’s much better to cooperate than to be beaten over the head with a club or lose a loved one or lose your own life in intertribal conflict
"you've broken teh code..."
"Arrr, The Code. The code is more what you'd call guidelines, than actual rules"
Don was one of my favourite hosts. Always good humored.
Maybe I’m boring, but I can’t remember a time when my actions didn’t align with my morals. I believe in forgiving others & myself of small mistakes, but most of my life I’ve been a good girl & been called a goody-two-shoes, and I keep within my morals. Is that so strange, that a conscientious person would make no major mistakes, just small ones infrequently?
Everyone’s actions always align with their morals. If they don’t, the person doesn’t understand their morals and thinks they’re a better person than what they are.
As a fellow Andrew id just like to take the opportunity to apologise for this Andrew. Please dont judge us all based on this clown.
IF God exist, He dosen't need human advocates....
They're not answering the way the fantasy atheists did in his imagination the dozens of times he's played through this in his mind.
I don't understand why atheists don't point out that we evolved as a social species. That's where our 'inbuilt morals' comes from.
Interesting point. What species is not a social species (genuine question)?
@@fruitcloud5679 Spiders, many snakes (reptiles in general, i think), hares, and koalas - to name some. They prefer to live alone, only coming together to mate (some may do so for other reasons)
Worms as well
God was just observed in my back yard. In an hour or so he will disappear into darkness. We must get up early tomorrow morn and chant the right words, then he will rise from darkness. So help me Sun.
Ray Comfort mark 2
The boys were visibly delighted when Andrew said he had something that might have never been discussed before. One minute later, moral codes, raised eyebrows, downhill in a southerly direction from there…😳
If the Abrahamic god exists, it needs to beg forgiveness from humanity
Laughable. He doesn't owe anyone anything.
@@ShroudoftheLogos if it exists it does
@@ShroudoftheLogos Yes, you're laughable.
"He doesn't owe anyone anything." Of course he does, but he's fiction so...
@@Seticzech Once again. Your response is proof of nothing. God is fiction because.....well, I said so. Therefore it must be true.
@@ShroudoftheLogos Which is the same circular reason you would use to prove he does exist. “God exists because the bible says so”.
I asked someone in the comments of a different video if they got any irrefutable evidence for their god and was met with a "What's ur criteria for evidence and if you would believe in a religion if "irrefutable proof" was provided?" hypothetical as a reply. After asking again, I got the same question with a "I'll answer you after you answered me first" added to it. Dodge and deflection, every time.
Andrew: "there must be some sort of justice for mistakes we have made."
No, that's just wishful thinking. And especially if you take a look at Christianity, there is no justice for mistakes being made because it is an unjust system/
We don't need forgiveness, as to be forgiven is to excused without cost to the wrongdoer. What we need to do, is take responsibility for our actions, and consciously decide to do better in future.
This dude talks like he's never been challenged on this, just regurgitated it to his Jesus buddies with his "OK, uh huh, right..."
All this caller has done is provide evidence of how incredibly dishonest and evil this religious death cult truly is.
That guy who says "hello, can you hear me" right after communication has already been established. You just know that they're not here to do any listening.
Christian apologetics is tiring and redundant......like beating a dead horse.
Why on Earth does every theist who says they have evidence start by asking a long list of questions that never go anywhere? It's absurd.