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The Book of Mormon and LDS prophets identify today's Native Americans as literal descendants of Hebrews who traveled from Jerusalem in 600 B.C. and adopted the name of Lamanite. The Book of Mormon specifically mentions that they are descendants of Ephraim and Manasseh. DNA evidence contradicts this origin story, and the LDS church has had to backtrack on many of their false and racist ideas regarding Native Americans, their heritage, and their skin pigmentation.
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To say natives are Hebrews who’ve only lived in the America’s only 2600 years is incredibly disrespectful..
Indeed. Australian Aboriginals have been here for 40k years.
It is Incredible disrespectful not to mention extremely retarded
Native Americans have been living here since before the 10th Millennium BCE.
What if it’s true though?
Where’s the evidence to the contrary?
In his book "The Lost City of the Monkey God" Douglas Preston recounts how the LDS church sent a number of "well-funded archeologist" to Mexico and central America to find proof that the Maya were one of the lost tribes of Israel. It didn't turn out as they had hoped. The archeologist found clear evidence that disproved the Mormon story. Some of those archeologists who spoke up were promptly excommunicated.
Not true…new evidence keeps being discovered. Lost civilizations still being found. Just because it’s not known now doesn’t mean, it isn’t still hidden.
The most effective tool for discrediting Mormon theology is The Book of Mormon itself
Enigmatic Varan 100% :)))))
paul austin On the contrary, I was raised in the LDS church and have read the Book of Mormon dozens of times. It wasn't until after I considered the book from a scientific standpoint that I realized it was a hoax.
The Book of Mormon states that the Jaredites and Mulekites went extinct before the arrival of Lehi's family, and 2 Nephi chapter 1 details that the promised land would be set apart exclusively for Lehi's family and their descendants. This principle was validated by multiple church leaders, notably Jeffery R Holland who stated: "The Promised Land was set apart. Without habitation it waited for the fulfillment of god's special purposes."
-A Promised Land, Ensign Magazine 1976
As such the theory that the Laminates intermingled with people who were already in the Americas is incompatible with LDS doctrine.
This is why I love LDS doctrine. You don't even need to look to external sources to prove it wrong, it proves itself wrong.
Native American Indian genes are traced to ancient people living in Eastern Asia and Siberia who crossed over into Alaska.....
Yep.
They were wrong about them crossing on a land bridge the book of Mormon said they crossed in boats and a new type of DNA testing is showing there wrong again more and more cities are being found in Mexico in the JUNGLES God reveals in his time not man's
@@nickdial8528 the same haplogroup has been found in the 'kennewick man' who predated the BoM by thousands of years. The haplogroup is very broad.
@@TheMormonInformant There was also a group of aboriginal people that went to the Americans. That explains why we see 19th century pictures of Native Americans with black skin
@@randomango2789 What evidence do you have for that claim?
Except known history and science disproves this Mormon perspective completely.
You didn't finish the video, did you.
@@TheMormonInformant watched the whole thing. looking back at the wording of my prior comment, I can see how you've thought that.
I agreed with the points you made showing the Mormon's perspective of history to be in error and how it was intentionally done to try to fit their narrative into reality.
I could have definitely worded my original comment better.
It’s almost as if Joe just pulled it all out of his hat!
Brilliant
Amen! haha!
Or his ass
Well played
Pulled it out of his ass, actually.
The was never a Jewish native American tribe.
Francisco P. , correct. The Book of Mormon didn't claim it, either. I keep looking. Nothing so far...
@Normandie Kent because there is much more to their origins than the usual depiction, in that they came across a land bridge, with no means nor desire to innovate. That whatsoever has been attributed to their achievements came about by nothing but stone tools and uncivilized methods.
That is why. It is only by recent discoveries that their ancestors knew metallurgy, smelting some iron, but mostly copper tools and weaponry.
Question to those Mormon apologists that say the BoM might not have even taken place on the Americas: how then, do you explain Smith saying he found the golden plates that Moroni buried in Upstate New York. Houston, we have a problem.
When you turn your fairy tales into a religion you can't just rewrite them to fit the times. You're not Disney.
Anyone can indeed create fiction, fairy tales, and religions. Case in point, this video :-)
Do you have proof that it's a fairytale?
I don't imagine you have bothered to ask God about all this. Careful, you might find something out that doesn't fit your preconceptions.
What if I told you I had? Would that bother you because it didn't fit YOUR ignorant preconceptions? I like how you make assumptions and then still think there's a chance you retain credibility with others. It's quite simple, you don't.
Lol... so true!!
Love your videos. I'm not sure if you answer questions, but just in case where did you pull the tower of babel being constructed less than 100 years after the great flood? I can't find it in the sources provided by your website.
It's from the LDS Bible timeline. www.churchofjesuschrist.org/bc/content/shared/content/images/gospel-library/magazine/ensignlp.nfo:o:2ec2.jpg
@@mager888 bro it's Palestine 2.0
This guy is an Absolute chad def subbing
what is an "Absolute chad def subbing"
@@kevindickson2178 Jay B thinks that The Mormon Informant does a really good job and that he will definitely subscribe to his channel
@@thingsinthesky thx for translation
Could you list your sources? I actually want to know where all the pictures are from if they're legit
Could you be more specific? I don't have time to source every picture.
nu uh Google is a great search tool.
The photos you are looking at are likely from church-sponsored paintings, manuals, and books. I grew up looking at many of these photos.
If you mean can the stories be proven, the answer is no. There are endless scientific studies indicating the fallacies in these stories. Any picture is "legit", as it comes from the imagination.
Prophets couldn't get this straight. Why are people still calling them prophets?
By their fruits ye shall know them.
I'll take facts over fruits any day.
Brad Jennings fruits is the whole point, lds fruit is evil .It's all based on lies..
They don't allow fruits in their church.
The fruit is evil? How's that...
@@larrycorett1032 wheres your evidence ?.....if you ever talked in an interview in a television with authority then i would listen until then i dont listen to people with nothing to do with their life
I recently took a DNA test. My Great Grandfather migrated from Italy as a boy. My test showed ZERO Italian DNA evidence. Does that mean my grandpa lied to us all those years and was never from Italy?
No. www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2018/01/22/578293890/my-grandmother-was-italian-why-arent-my-genes-italian
@@TheMormonInformant Good point I watched a special on these DNA kits and they aren't so reliable after all it turns out.
@Normandie Kent I watched a special on all these DNA kits and they aren't 100% in any way infact flawed... So there could be something your Grandpa knows and he passed it down to you.
Maybe Your Grandma Was Promiscuous.
Italy was settled by different groups towards the end of the Roman empire. For instance if your Great Grandpa was from Northern Italy. It could be that he is of Germanic Lombard Stock.
Were they all "ites?" No "ese" or "ians"?
Just "ites." The author wasn't very creative.
Were you ever a part of the church
Yes, for 25 years.
@@TheMormonInformant Damn g
May I ask what you believe now? I also want to make it very clear I study religion and highly question all religions. I grew up Baptist for 18 years and was considering being Mormon for an entire year and now I just question everything.
I am an atheist. I see no compelling reason to believe in anything beyond this existence.
@@TheMormonInformant I don't really see an afterlife or reincarnation but I believe there could be something more powerful. Weather it be an advanced human like race or a "god" I do not know but I question it's existence. Also thanks for responding. :))
Anything is possible. I just choose to believe in what can be known rather than speculate on the metaphysical.
@@TheMormonInformant makes sense. Thank you for your time. Goodnight.
Tyler Cobb,
*Near Death Experiences* constitute powerful evidence that consciousness is independent of the brain, and that there is an afterlife.
Awesome, glad RUclips recommended me thus channel. Definately subbed :)
My DNA says I'm 3 percent jewish, I'm native american.
Sephardic Jews and Moorish Conversos have been marrying into native populations since Columbus. You likely descend from at least one such marriage. Trace your ancestry and see what you find.
Mr Valdez, you are Mestizo, your 3% Jewish is from Europe. These guys are desperately grasping at straws. I'm also Mestizo.
Wow! Impressive work. Very very good. Thank you, Mormon Informant.
WOW!! That was good!! I need to share this with my son!!!
The Lamanites went from being "the principal ancestors" to being "among the ancestors. That was after Dr. Thomas Murphy's research which debunked the purported link between the Hebrews and the Amerindians. To quote SNL's immortal Church Lady, "How Conveeeeeennnnient!!!"
What I don’t understand is the money and effort people put into fighting the LDS Church. If you don’t want to be a member then don’t. Use your time, talents and money to promote your own beliefs. Not trash someone else’s beliefs. Think of all the additional hours of service and money that would flow into communities. People have trashed the church for years, yet it keeps growing and growing and spreading. The church teaches not too bash or belittle somebody’s religion. Just teach the LDS teachings and let people make up their own mind.
No money was spent on any of my videos, and they only take a few hours to make. It's a small price to pay to make the truth available. The LDS church will have a negative growth rate by 2040, and it will never rise above 0.2% of the world population, with only 1/3 of that 0.2% actively attending. That means that 1 in 1,500 is the highest representation that active Mormons will ever achieve. People are making up their own minds, and I am not impeding their decision.
"“If we have the truth, it cannot be harmed by investigation. If we have not the truth, it ought to be harmed”. (J. Reuben Clark, The Church Years, p. 24)
Larry Corett How are all religions evil? I ask that, because that’s what you seem to be claiming in your comment?
@@musicaldooder20 my comment of course is a personal opinion,I claim no religion only a belief in God.I do not believe God is the author of over four thousand different religions. Although they do some good does not mean there from God.Religions are very dividing and mind controlling.
It's because the LDS money goes to build shopping malls instead of helping people. The are corporate frauds. The people who out in the effort care about you poor souls
I just love how grown adults still think the global flood really happened lol
Because it did. And btw evolution is fake. World is only 6000 years old.
@@rustynelson2357 well duuuhhhh
A.J Blatnick If the flood happened, the Kangaroos would have had a difficult time migrating to Noah’s arc. 😂
Jump back several thousand years and discover the meaning of global.... not so far back you'll find the Roman Empire covered the globe as it was global..... join those dots...
Just Deadpool , laugh my ass off!
I'm with you until the Lucy Mack Smith quote. I always thought those stories referred to stories he made up before he found the gold plates or spoke with Moroni? Like they were just stories he made up to amuse his family, and we're not necessarily Canon to the Book of Mormon.
Joseph claimed to have been visited by Moroni in 1823, when he was almost 18. He didn't get the plates until 1827. The stories he told were shared during these four years, while he was supposedly receiving instruction from Moroni.
Well if the Laminite dna is extinct , then there are no laminites left...
It may also be that there never were any to begin with.
@@TheMormonInformant Well obviously... but the way the church talked about it for so long, all native americans are laminites.. I know they are changing their tone now about it. I am 36 years old and growing up the laminites were all native americans. There is a guy in my current ward who calls himself a laminite. Its very annoying
@@JoeSmith-pk5tc Yes, the church cant keep their story straight. You are right
Lmao bingo
My mother is Mexican and has Hebrew DNA. Her family is from a small isolated village in central Mexico.
Sephardic Jews and Moorish Conversos have been marrying into native populations since Columbus. She likely descends from at least one such marriage. Trace your ancestry and see what you find.
Too fast narration...why not make a little bit slower for us to fully understand its contents? Just wondering
There are captions, and you can slow the video by clicking the gear icon.
How can they be Hebrews? It was after Abraham, they started calling them Hebrews...
Lehi supposedly descended from Abraham.
The Mormon Informant this whole history is irrelevant to salvation in my view.
Nothing is relevant to salvation in mine.
On moses time they are already hebrews....which means nephites are hebrews cuz theyre from israel
I'd be interested in knowing if DNA studies have been done on the Hopewell Indians who lived around 200 BC and became extinct around 400 AD?
Obviously you can see the speculation; making a tie between the Hopewell and Nephites. Knowing how intermixed the Lamanites and Nephites were near the end of the Book of Mormon there should still be DNA links to with whatever "Lamanite" people remained.
The one aspect that this video does not introduce would be whether or not there were any migrations since the Nephite extinction that "diluted" the genetics. I haven't studied enough to know if there were any migrations since 500 AD.
Of all the modern day prophecies mentioened about reserving "this land" for God's people, many believe that it specifically means the United States of America. Is it possible that other people from Mesoamerica and South America and even other parts of the world migrated to the US after the Nephite extinxion?
I know there's a lot speculation that the Hopewell were Nephites. It would be interesting to see if DNA studies have been done on any Hopewell remains.
www.csicop.org/si/show/civilizations_lost_and_found_fabricating_history_-_part_three_real_messages
@@TheMormonInformant circling back around to say that after a lot of research, and getting past my own confirmation bias, I acknowledge that it was all made up!
@@whothinksforme Good to hear, David! I love a good follow up.
This is a broad overview of Native American DNA and an oversimplification of the pre-Columbian migrations to the Americas. It does not take into account the prevalence of haplogroup X, which is prevalent in the Northeaster United States and its middle eastern origin. Fact is there were several migrations to the Americas. Thor Heyerdahl proved such migrations were possible using ancient Egyptian reed boats, and more recently the Phoenicia expedition also proved that using 6-7th century BC ships could easily cross the Atlantic Ocean to the East and Southern Coasts of the United States. Also, DNA sequencing of Native populations have not taken into account that up to 90% of the Native American populations in North and South America died off from disease within 100 years after contact with Europeans.
The presence of haplogroup X2a is not indicative of a recent migration from the Middle East. It is a marker unique to Native Americans, and it is not found anywhere in the Middle East. It's an indicator that the people who crossed into Beringia had some ancestry from people who lived in the Middle East 30,000 years ago.
ruclips.net/video/FUBQeAf6Lbc/видео.html
I have a 2.0% of unknown origin in my 23andme results. That's an interesting thought.
Carlos Munoz it is not unusual for people to have unknown DNA. Mixed ancestry can obscure some markers. As population samples increase, genetic tests will become more accurate. www.23andme.com/ancestry-composition-guide/
All of these DNA companies only state an approximation of 50% proof as a standard to their findings... read your small print...
More likely Extraterrestrial DNA than proof of the book of Mormon.
@@bradensorensen966 not really but ok
Kennewick Man? Found in WA State he was roughly 9,000 years old and his tribe area was bouldered over by the government due to Native American pressures.
Is this what Mormons actually believe?
Yes.
you should talk to an actual Mormon not an obvious troll site. I wouldnt go to southern baptists to learn about Islam smh
@@KylonRic so they don’t believe this?
@@tatata1543 some of it, but he’s obtuse or disingenuous with some of his explanations. Just talk to a Mormon to learn about what they believe
@@KylonRic Do they believe native Americans are descended from Jewish tribes who crossed the Atlantic thousands of years before anyone else? To be honest with you the rest of it, obtuse or not, pales into insignificance in comparison to that doozy.
The Book of Mormon does NOT say that Lehi's people were first. That is true. Those would be the Jaredites, who were COMPLETELY WIPED OUT when the Nephites arrived, and therefore they were gone from the continent (and the gene pool).
The Book of Mormon does mention a small group of other people, the Mulekites or "people of Zarahemla" in the Book of Omni. BUUUUUTTTT, the Book also says "Mosiah discovered that the people of Zarahemla came out from Jerusalem at the time that Zedekiah, king of Judah, was carried away captive into Babylon." So genetically, they would be exactly the same as the Nephites, having come from exactly the same area in roughly the same timeframe.
So, really, the Book of Mormon IS claiming that everyone in the New World came from Judah, either as a Lamanite/Nephite OR as a Mulekite. AND THAT IS IT. Where does it say and that is it? 2 Nephi Chapter 1:
3 And he also spake unto them concerning the land of promise, which they had obtained-how merciful the Lord had been in warning us that we should flee out of the land of Jerusalem.
5 But, said he, notwithstanding our afflictions, we have obtained a land of promise, a land which is choice above all other lands; a land which the Lord God hath covenanted with me should be a land for the inheritance of MY SEED. Yea, the Lord hath covenanted this land unto me, and to MY CHILDREN forever, and also ALL THOSE who should be LED out of other countries by the HAND OF THE LORD.
6 Wherefore, I, Lehi, prophesy according to the workings of the Spirit which is in me, that there shall NONE COME TO THIS LAND SAVE THEY SHALL BE BROUGHT BY THE HAND OF THE LORD.
7 Wherefore, THIS LAND IS CONSECRATED unto him whom he shall bring. And if it so be that they shall serve him according to the commandments which he hath given, it shall be a land of liberty unto them; wherefore, they shall never be brought down into captivity; if so, it shall be because of iniquity; for if iniquity shall abound cursed shall be the land for their sakes, but unto the righteous it shall be blessed forever.
8 And behold, IT IS WISDOM THAT THIS LAND SHOULD BE KEPT AS YET FROM THE KNOWLEDGE OF OTHER NATIONS; for behold, many nations would overrun the land, that there would be no place for an inheritance.
9 Wherefore, I, Lehi, have obtained a promise, that inasmuch as those whom the Lord God shall bring out of the land of Jerusalem shall keep his commandments, they shall prosper upon the face of this land; AND THEY SHALL BE KEPT FROM ALL OTHER NATIONS, THAT THEY MAY POSSESS THIS LAND UNTO THEMSELVES. And if it so be that they shall keep his commandments they shall be blessed upon the face of this land, and there shall be none to molest them, nor to take away the land of their inheritance; and they shall dwell safely forever.
Oh, and Mormon prophets FOR YEARS taught this was the case. That EVERYONE in the Americas was brought here by God, and that would NOT include random Siberians who now make up 99% of the gene pool when they bothered to research DNA.
Let me quote a conference talk by Jeffrey Holland that states this pretty explicitly:
www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/ensign/1976/06/a-promised-land?lang=eng
OPEN QUOTE:
Holy scripture records that “after the waters had receded from off the face of this land it became a choice land above all other lands, a chosen land of the Lord; wherefore the Lord would have that all men should serve him who dwell upon the face thereof.” (Ether 13:2.) Such a special place needed now to be kept apart from other regions, free from the indiscriminate traveler as well as the soldier of fortune. To guarantee such sanctity the very surface of the earth was rent. In response to God’s decree, the great continents separated and the ocean rushed in to surround them. The promised place was set apart. WITHOUT HABITATION IT WAITED FOR THE FULFILLMENT OF GOD’S SPECIAL PURPOSES.
With care and selectivity, the Lord began almost at once to repeople the promised land. The Jaredites came first, with stories of the great flood fresh in their memories and the Lord’s solemn declaration ringing in their ears: “Whoso should possess this land of promise, from that time henceforth and forever, should serve him, the true and only God, or they should be swept off when the fulness of his wrath should come upon them.” (Ether 2:8.)
Despite such counsel, however, the Jaredite civilization steadily degenerated into a violent society which forced a man to keep “the hilt of his sword in his right hand” (Ether 14:2)-until finally he “ate and slept, and prepared for death on the morrow.” (Ether 15:26.)
But even as the last light flickered on Jaredite civilization, a bold new sun rose to illuminate a thousand years of Nephite-Lamanite experience on the same soil. Despite periods of war and rebellion, these people nevertheless had great moments of power and purity, including the personal ministry of the resurrected Christ, who walked and talked and prayed with these New World inhabitants for three indescribable days. There in the meridian of time the land enjoyed three generations of peace and perfection, which it would not know again until the Master’s millennial reign.
But the lessons of history, if not learned well, are certain to be taught again, and a lone father with his son lived to see the self-destruction of these people of promise. The Nephite-Lamanite morality descended from “sorceries, and witchcrafts, and magics” (Morm. 1:19) into rape, murder, and cannibalism (see Moro. 9:7-10), creating a vision so repulsive that it was “impossible for the tongue to describe, or for man to write,” a scene of greater wickedness than had ever been seen “even among all the house of Israel” (Morm. 4:11, 12). A thousand years after God had given such choice land to their fathers and a thousand years before he would attempt to do it again, Mormon wrote to his son Moroni:
“O the depravity of my people! They are without order and without mercy. …
“They delight in everything save that which is good; and the suffering of our women and our children … doth exceed everything. …
“Thou knowest that they are without principle, and past feeling. …
“Behold, my son, I cannot recommend them unto God lest he should smite me.” (Moro. 9:18-20.)
This favored branch allowed to run over the wall had reached that forewarned “fulness of iniquity” and was dwindling into disorder, darkness, and death.
Then in the allegorical prophecy made of these events, “the Lord of the vineyard” looked at the waste of his creation-and wept. “What could I have done more for my vineyard?” was his painful cry. No answer could be given. “Have I slackened mine hand, that I have not nourished it? Nay, I have nourished it, and I have digged about it, and I have pruned it, and I have dunged it; and I have stretched forth mine hand almost all the day long, and the end draweth nigh.” (Jacob 5:41, 47.) In spite of such grief and despair the Lord of the vineyard determined to “spare it a little longer” (Jacob 5:50)-long enough for one final attempt, long enough for one more dispensation, long enough for one final experiment focused on the promised land.
So, after a thousand years of preparation, the Spirit of God rested upon a young Italian sailing under the flag of Spain, and, as Nephi had seen in vision, “he went forth upon the many waters, even unto the seed of my brethren, who were in the promised land.” (1 Ne. 13:12.) This “Christian of almost maniacal devoutness” as Alistair Cooke calls him, this man with the zeal of Galileo, Don Quixote, and John the Baptist combined, was not to be denied. (Alistair Cooke, America, New York: Alfred Knopf, 1973, p. 30.) “Our Lord with provident hand unlocked my mind,” said Columbus, “sent me upon the seas, and gave me fire for the deed. Those who heard of my enterprise called it foolish, mocked me, and laughed. But who can doubt but that the Holy Ghost inspired me?” (Jacob Wasserman, Columbus, Don Quixote of the Seas, New Brunswick: Rutgers Univ. Press, 1959, p. 20.) Columbus stood on the captain’s deck, but the all-seeing eye of the Lord was on the compass, and the hopes of every dispensation filled the sails. The prophet Nephi had also seen in vision what followed: colonization, war, and the birth of a new nation.
“And it came to pass that I, Nephi, beheld that the Gentiles who had gone forth out of captivity did humble themselves before the Lord; and the power of the Lord was with them.
“And I beheld that their mother Gentiles were gathered together upon the waters, and upon the land also, to battle against them.
“And I beheld that the power of God was with them, and also that the wrath of God was upon all those that were gathered together against them to battle. And I, Nephi, beheld that the Gentiles that had gone out of captivity were delivered by the power of God out of the hands of all other nations.” (1 Ne. 13:16-19.)
CLOSE QUOTE
Notice: no Siberians were mentioned in Elder Holland's talk
According to the Book of Mormon, the Lamanite DNA was no longer Israelite DNA. However that happened, they were a racially DIFFERENT people.
Since all the Nephites were destroyed, then according to the Book of Mormon, there should not be any Israelite DNA in the Americas.
Show me where the Book of Mormon suggests that Lamanite DNA was altered.
Description of the Nephites as being white, and exceedingly fair and beautiful:
"And I beheld the Spirit of the Lord, that it was upon the Gentiles, and they did prosper and obtain the land for their inheritance; and I beheld that they were white, and exceedingly fair and beautiful, like unto my people before they were slain." --1 Nephi 13:15
Description of the Lamanites as being dark, loathsome and filthy:
"And it came to pass that I beheld, after they had dwindled in unbelief they became a dark, and loathsome, and a filthy people, full of idleness and all manner of abominations." --1 Nephi 12:23
Show me any two people that are this different but have the same DNA.
Another problem: there is absolutely no reason to trust that the Jewish DNA of today is the same as the Israelite DNA of 2600 years ago. For example:
www.the-scientist.com/daily-news/genetic-roots-of-the-ashkenazi-jews-38580
_Show me any two people that are this different but have the same DNA_
abcnews.go.com/2020/albinism-albinos-overcoming-social-stigma/story?id=11446431
Also, neither of those verses mention DNA changing, only skin color. This would not have any effect on which haplogroups they had in their genome. The two groups also intermarried following the "curse" for a hundred years, meaning that any Lamanites at the end of the wars would be a mix of Nephite and Lamanite and carry Lehi's genes.
Problem is, there never were any Jaredites, Nephites, or Laminates. They're all made up.
Christopher Columbus brought a Jew called Juan Gonzalez as a translator on his second trip to the Caribbean, where I was born at, and he did translate the language of the natives.
What are you implying?
@@TheMormonInformantHe is implying that the Taino natives could speak Hebrew. But what he failed to tell you is that he brought Jewish navigators because they were the very few who were skilled navigators. The Spanish navy did not have people who could read the stars to navigate nothing to do with the BOM or the Lamanites.🤣🤣🤣🤣
Can't wait to see the rest. Thank you!
Thank you for this video.
Now it's known that native Americans were here longer that this previous claim
this...this is real... people believe this...
Stop saying you're "proud" you are this or that race.
We are all from the human family.
Be happy you're not a animal and don't act like one.
Attach yourself to the spirit world.
Make sure to follow the Light.
We are all animals. Homo sapiens, specifically. We live on Earth, our world. Where is this "spirit world" you speak of?
@@juneholley1813 It surrounds and envelopes you. It resides without and within. You are a fragment of light. The Universe is unfathomably vast. Are you a human having a spiritual experience or a spirit having a human experience? Animals operate upon a level of instinct. Humans choose how they wish to act. Your fate is mortal, your destiny chosen.
Just as all dogs descend from the first wolves, so all humans descend from the first people. DNA was once much more diverse. We are all one race within one Universe, containing all dimensions.
If you believe in only what you can see with eyes of flesh, then you see nothing but material objects. If so, don't breath the air, deny it instead. Don't drink water, when you don't expect to see it in vapor form, yet expect it to return, as they are two ethers, mixed. Do you have eyes like an eagle? Do they have eyes like an angel? Spirit beings are invisible to you, yet you are transparent to them.
Likened unto rain, the first human beings were given a form of flesh, intended to transcend and never die. One protective command they disobeyed, causing corruption of all humans to be, so the the Creator transformed their physical souls into "animal skins". They could not and we cannot be allowed to live forever, in imperfection. Now it has all come full circle, as humankind destroys the Mother, Earth and, then, ultimately each other and themselves. Therefore, the planet created to last forever must also be eventually destroyed. SAD. However, there is another abode awaiting. A new Earth and Heaven above and surrounding it. The mountainous mother ship Zion, is returning and soon shall descend over this Earth and stay for a divine day, becoming New Jerusalem, then carrying away the obedient perfected ones safely away. Mourn this Earth and its people. Fate fixed, destiny to come.
What you believe is only what you think you know, been taught and what you have chosen to either reject or accept. Truth is beyond all beliefs and Faith is above mere hope , yet not unreachable.
What you cannot see of yourself, IS your true self. May you find it within, if you are unable to see it, without.
@@twodogs716 What a load of garbage...
@@juneholley1813 Thank You.
Enjoy your brief existence.
Maybe “I” am only spirit, but I’m grateful to the animal that agreed to host me. This world is beautiful, tragic, joyful, desolate- none of which we could experience without the emotions and sensory organs of my body
It's north america!!
The LDS church has no official position on the location of Book of Mormon events.
Is in america north and the center and the south too
Why did it take a man of white European descent to start this religion? If Indians were really descendants of Israelites, why didn't god choose an Indian to be the great prophet? And why isn't the LDS church mostly Indian? It all sounds a bit racist.
Just a bit.
If you would actually read and study the Book of Mormon your questions will be answered. And Mormon informant, which bishop pissed in your cheerios? There are two types of anti mormons. Those that have zero to little knowledge or apostates. The worst being apostates.
Keith Smith
I have the book. It's a work of fiction. I might not be an expert on the religion, but I know enough about history to know there's not one scrap of evidence for middle eastern people in ancient America, nor of the cities the book claims existed there. You just have to look at the facial hair on native Americans to know they are not descendants of heavily bearded middle eastern people. Those discrepancies alone are enough for me to claim fraud.
Keith, I read the Book of Mormon more than twenty times, but there are many questions that it has no answers for. I didn't leave the LDS because I was offended by a Bishop, or even judgmental members such as yourself. I left because of the numerous lies that the LDS church puts forward as truth. I left because of the harm the LDS church has caused women, children, the LGBTQ+ community, and persons of color. I left because the LDS church makes no apologies for the mistakes of its leaders that have caused pain, hardship, and even death. I left because it has no claim to truth nor goodness.
@@TheMormonInformant so you're just another "victim" that has "seen the light! Praise Jesus!" And now your sole mission in life is to persecute Mormons by becoming some "informant". Well your crusade is futile. The standard of truth has been erected and a million mormon informants will not stop its progression.
To the "Mormon Informant," on the DNA Chart, it shows that all the DNA studies applied were in South America except one.
LDS Scholars claim that it was South America where the Nephites and Lamanites dwelt, not so according to recent studies.
They dwelt in North America only, primarily from Michigan to Main, to Florida and towards the Rockies.
Haplo Group X2 has been traced amongst the natives of those regions to the Middle East/Israel.
It's true that the Mayans have a close connection with the Hindus of India, especially with their gods and religion, so it's no wonder Asian DNA would be found in that region.
The Hopewell (the mounds people) timeline coincides with Lehi's first landing, mind you that the majority of studies/archaeology are performed by non-LDS researchers.
You've explained this video so well, and infact you remind me of Alma the younger, when he went about the people, trying to sway people from the Church.
Your wasting your time.
Haplogroup X2a is not an Israelite marker. It is unique to the Americas, and was in the Americas thousands of years before Lehi would have arrived. ruclips.net/video/FUBQeAf6Lbc/видео.html
@@TheMormonInformant that's not true and you know it.
@@ourlifeinwashington4114 It is true, and you should know it. ruclips.net/video/FUBQeAf6Lbc/видео.html
@@8andme I want people to know the truth.
@@8andme Were you really confused? I use the unofficial and now banned "Mormon" moniker, and my most viewed video is about problems with the church. If that didn't clue you in, you must get confused more easily than most.
Why would you call dark skin a curse ? Why is white only delightsome ? Why do you keep preaching that racist gospel ? And in what universe is ok to rip families of navajo from their culture to make them "more delightsome" im a former mormon of hispanic descent and these concepts are an abhoration how can you be so arrogant to say "your" people are the chosen one from god and imply that anyone who doesn't have fair skin is cursed. How dare you
I hope you understand that none of the positions presented here reflect my personal beliefs. I recounted the LDS church's racist teachings then explained how modern DNA studies have debunked them.
Zelf lol totally not a made up name
I resent that remark.
Sincerely, Gork
Yeah, something like Zod, the evil general from Krypton...
Its not true that native americans have hebrew dna.trying to.make them white and delightsome is racist. There were
no horses.
Steel..chariots.crops or written language...brigham youngs treatment of native americans was vile..you are quoting josephs made up history..😢😢
You are commenting without watching the video.
I need the next videos!
They're coming, sorry for the wait.
Yeah, 15,000 years ago based on Darwins theory of evolution, based on periodic dating where they trace genetics directly from mother to mother, haplo group X is traced to 600bc.
The mutation defining haplogroup X occured between 20,000 and 35,000 years ago. Haplogroup X2a was found in the Kennewick man, who lived 9,000 years ago in Washington.
But according to all the ancient books, the Earth was flat back then. LOL
Very well done!
Perhaps a better name would be the Mormon MIS-Informant!
This information is outdated.
I hope you will find and research the latest DNA evidence for yourself!!!! Its out there! Its never too late to correct - Science is wonderful and is full of assumptions but humble enough to correct itself. You can too!🙂
What did I get wrong, or did you even watch the video?
I guess you don't actually know what you're talking about.
They swore the hill cumorah was the last battle place where thousands were buried...no such thing...please do proper research..asian dna disproves this nonsense...😢😢😢
Please watch the entire video before commenting.
The bering straights does not explain the Haplogroup X phenomenon amongst the Algonquin and Navajo. These happen to be the same Native Americans Joseph Smith identified as Lamanites.
Yes, it does. Haplogroup X has been in the Americas for at least 15,000 years, and arrived with the first Native Americans. The Kennewick man, found in Washington, carries the X haplogroup, and he lived 6,000 years before Lehi. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kennewick_Man
Navajo didn't believe in Mexican religion. My people believe in diyin dine'é. We believe in the holy people. Spiritual
The Mormon Informant no, it's actually placed "at the root of Haplogroup x2a",. Which means not exactly haplogroup X2a but some precursor to it. None of which matters at all to Mormon doctrines.
www.fairmormon.org/answers/Question:_Is_DNA_Haplogroup_X2a_proof_that_the_Book_of_Mormon_fits_best_in_a_geography_located_in_the_Great_Lakes_region%3F
"Does haplogroup X provide evidence to support a pre-Columbian Israelite migration to Western hemisphere? - No. Some argue that X shows arrival of Lehi, etc., but this is too easy an explanation. The data seems to indicate it was from an ancient group 12,000 years ago, and Lehi's mtDNA has disappeared." - Ugo Perego, LDS geneticist
What's the thing with the skin all about
The Book of Mormon was in part an attempt to tie Native Americans into the twelve tribes of Israel, and explain why they had darker skin than other Israelites. The book explains that God cursed them with dark skin because they were wicked, and wanted to ensure that their white skinned and righteous Nephite cousins would not be tempted to intermarry with them. So he made them dark, filthy, and loathsome. Pretty racist, huh?
The Mormon Informant every church has it's dirt could that mean the bom is false scripture
As opposed to "true scripture?"
The Mormon Informant right.. there's just so much back and forth
Jon Verges blacks are cursed by god. cain was turned black by god too.
It's nice to see this channel supporting the truthfulness of the Book of Mormon and the evidence that keeps coming out showing how the book is actually true. Great job! Evidence will continue to be revealed.
I'm pretty sure you didn't watch the whole video if that was your takeaway.
Hahahaha. Please
As one who believes in the authenticity of the Book of Mormon, your complaints against it seem meaningless since you so inaccurately state my beliefs and make a lot of biased assumptions in order to create a straw man you can easily build a case against. If people are at all interested in truth, and want to exercise a bit of skepticism and critical thinking, they should apply some to your claims as well, and make some small effort to learn what knowledgeable members of the church base their beliefs on. You would find it much harder to mock other's beliefs if you were a little more honest about what they actually claim and why.
Name one thing I said that was inaccurate.
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WTF
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Remember that this is just conspiracy theories.
Which part?
This seams like a witch hunt
Why?
Barf.
LOL! Nice try but you have jumped the gun once again.
How so?
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Yeah how??
DNA "evidence" is not so conclusive either for or against any arguement. There are too many anomalies such as disasters, wars, multiple migrations, intermingling of people, genetic drift, genetic mutations, genetic uncertainty of the original group (Lehi, for example, could've had east Asian, west Asian, or even African DNA markers especially considering how long the children of Israel were in Egypt), and a massive host of other anomalies. DNA is absolutely not conclusive. It is possible for you to have different DNA in your own body. It is possible for a child's DNA to not match that of its parent. If you do not believe that, please study a little more about DNA. It's not as conclusive as Hollywood portrays it.
Here is what can be said for certain, coming from actual geneticists: There is zero DNA evidence for a transatlantic migration of Israelites to the Americas. All extant Native American DNA is Siberian in origin. phys.org/news/2016-01-genetic-ancient-trans-atlantic-migration-professor.html
That is a weak argument from ignorance.
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What's so funny?
Happlo group x came from Europe which shows Indian descent
Are you attempting to support the Book of Mormon through the X haplogroup? If so, I have some bad news for you.
"It is true that the American subgroup of X2 is related to the Middle East. But it is also clear that the American group broke off from that Middle East group around the time of the “Last Glacial Maximum”-the point where the last ice age’s glaciers reached their furthest southern extent about 18,000 years ago. *This clearly means that the X2 haplogroup is unrelated to Lehi’s group."* - Ugo Perego, LDS geneticist
They can't pinpoint exactly time frames on genetic markers, they find out that genetically they change more frequently than they expected. Genetics is still relative still new, they still need to study it more to see the correlation between time and genetic markers.
I'll take the factual statement of a trained geneticist over the uninformed opinion an armchair expert.
sounds professional, I love you too...So show me what would the genetic string look lets say 3000 yrs ago.
It would be a double helix of deoxyribonucleic acid, just as it is today.
The Book of Mormon setting was in a land chosen by God, not two continents. The area according to Alma was about the size of ancient Israel before they were conquered and led away in to captivity. Not that big. The Hill Cumorah is the same as the hill described by Mormon. The small area was a place of many waters and mountain ranges stretching from the Great Lakes area east ward into New York State, which definitely at the time of the Nephite's was a land of many "seas" lakes and rivers, created by glacial water and have since drained away. The furthest most boundary west was lake Erie, north Lake Ontario the east sea was a huge glacial sea that has since drained into lake Ontario.
The LDS church takes no official stance on Book of Mormon geography, so nothing you have claimed is supported by the church.
Except that DNA from Great Lakes tribes show the same haplotype as Jews in the Middle East. I guess you didn't wait long enough for that information to come forth
That is not true. The great lakes tribes carry subhaplogroup *X2a,* while Middle Eastern peoples carry *X2, X2b, X2e,* and *X2f.* *X2a is nowhere to be found in the Middle East,* and the other X subclades were not present in the Americas until post-Columbian admixture. These subclades diverged roughly 30,000 years ago, so that is how far back you would have to trace the family tree to find common ancestry for both groups. ruclips.net/video/FUBQeAf6Lbc/видео.html
And about X3a??
This makes me want to read the Book Of Mormon even more !!
Why?
To find truth and to pray about it. Thank you so much for this vids!
Reading the same book repeatedly seems like a great way of limiting your knowledge.
What is the purpose of reading a book that is already proven to be full of contradictions and falsehood?
@@brandenburg2388 @brandenburg2388 hey brah, if you want to know more you can ask your local missionaries. It's literally their duty as missionaries from The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints and to serve others. I know these contradictions and questions that you have, have proven logic answers. We just need to seek the right resources and be open minded then pray to God if it is true. That's all we ask as members and also to be safe and sensible of course. The only way you will know of the culture is by asking someone who is a member and lives that culture. The reason why I say culture is because it's literally for all Gods children the human race lol getting emotional here on a comment
They all went instinct. What part of that didn’t you get? Lol
Did you mean _extinct?_ And if so, then why did LDS prophets claim that all Native Americans are descended from them and refer to modern Native Americans and Polynesians as Lamanites?
Obviously, you're wrong about the Lord's promise to keep America only for the children of Lehi. The Nephites were destroyed because of their wickedness and the laminites we're cut off from the Lord so why according to your own words would the lord be required to keep the land for only the children of Lehi?
The promise was based on their righteousness. They broke that promise. But the covenant was in place between 600 BC and 400 AD.
Total misinformation and deceptive video with attacks on a Christian religion.
Name one thing I said that is false.
That's you assume mormonism is Christian most Christians will tell you that's false.
The evidence of the book of Mormon is everywhere now.
Any examples?
You are pulling things from the air here...making it up...
Name an example of a claim that is made up.
As someone who is half Jewish and half native American I think you should stop your propagation of lies
Where did I lie?
Did trace your Jewish lines back to 2000 years ago and if so how did you do it?
Hmmm I never claimed to be Jewish and I am not.
Mormons are all about dna and their family heritage. Im sure mormons who spend wayyyyy too much time looking up their family heritage and dna are less informed than 'the mormon informant' about their dna (that would be sarcasm). O and did I mention I found out through my DNA as a Mormon that is also Lamanite that I am a great grandson to Pocohontas? I'm also a couple percent jew, but dont know of any jews in my family. Why would that be..? MY ONE COMMENT DEBUNKS YOUR FALSE VIDEO.
The fact that you are unaware of any recent Jewish ancestry doesn't prove that you don't have any. My one comment debunks your illogical comment.
The standard of truth has been erected. No unhallowed hand can stop the work from progressing; persecutions may rage, mobs may combine, armies may assemble, calumny may defame, but the truth of God will go forth boldly, nobly, and independent till it has penetrated every continent, visited every clime, swept every country, and sounded in every ear, till the purposes of God shall be accomplished and the great Jehovah shall say the work is done.
-Joseph Smith, 1842
"I know it is the will of God that you should comfort me now in this time of affliction, or not at all now is the time or never, but I have no kneed of saying any such thing, to you, for I know the goodness of your hearts, and that you will do the will of the Lord, when it is made known to you; the only thing to be careful of; is to find out when Emma comes then you cannot be safe, but when she is not here, there is the most perfect safty: only be careful to escape observation, as much as possible, I know it is a heroick undertakeing; but so much the greater frendship, and the more Joy, when I see you I will tell you all my plans, I cannot write them on paper, burn this letter as soon as you read it; keep all locked up in your breasts, my life depends upon it. one thing I want to see you for is to git the fulness of my blessings sealed upon our heads, &c. you will pardon me for my earnestness on this subject when you consider how lonesome I must be, your good feelings know how to make every allowance for me, I close my letter, I think Emma wont come tonight if she dont, dont fail to come to night. I subscribe myself your most obedient, and affectionate, companion, and friend."
-Joseph Smith, 1842 letter to 17-year-old secret wife Sarah Ann Whitney
@@TheMormonInformant , I see, so now you want to change the subject and take this conversation to another critical and controversial point of doctrine. That's totally fine.
You want to talk about plural marriage, ok, let's go there.
Are you familiar with a letter called CES letter. Well, it has been debunked by Fair Mormon, a site who brings facts to the table. Here it's the link. In this response to this letter you will find a section about plural marriage and Emma and what not.
Buckle up and enjoy the ride. Love you brother...
www.fairmormon.org/answers/Criticism_of_Mormonism/Online_documents/Letter_to_a_CES_Director/Polygamy_%26_Polyandry_Concerns_%26_Questions#Response_to_claim:_.22Emma_was_unaware_of_most_of_Joseph.E2.80.99s_plural_marriages.2C_at_least_until_after_the_fact.22
There is nothing in any of those pages that debunks the following facts:
1. Joseph had an affair with Fanny Alger years before having the supposed authority to perform sealings.
2. Joseph married between 30 and 40 women, many without Emma's knowledge or consent.
3. Several were just teenagers as young as 14.
4. Many were sisters, and some were mothers of children that Joseph also married.
5. Many of his wives had living legal husbands when Joseph was sealed to them.
6. Joseph broke every rule laid out in D&C 132 in his practice of polygamy.
@@TheMormonInformant , I'm more than happy to learn more about what you are saying , however it's all propaganda. Provide me facts, and links to do my own search. For now , you are providing false accusations about the integrity of Joseph Smith, I guess , you're one of who Moroni warned the prophet about.
Facts not emotions, facts not propaganda
Ok, here it's more answers to your questions about portal marriage.
www.fairmormon.org/answers/Criticism_of_Mormonism/Online_documents/Letter_to_a_CES_Director/Polygamy_%26_Polyandry_Concerns_%26_Questions
BAD INFORMATION !
Well, if you say it in ALL CAPS, you must be right!
If any of you can read a book from beginning to end, i'd be willing to bet you have never read the BOM all the way thru. If you had, you wouldn't be here hating and ney sayin something you know nothing about. I dare you to read it from beginning to end. Dare
I've read it 20 times cover to cover.
Even if they hadn't read the BoM, how would that negate the problem raised in the video? And, for that matter, what does this video have to do with hating anything?
(wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.) I believe the lord God took advantage of the white men and presented a brown women to the whites and there children were all white and brown. The book of nephi says the lord God did this to the Lamanites who were white before becoming darker.
_It says they were white then became darker and not the other way around._
And it came to pass that those Lamanites who had united with the Nephites were numbered among the Nephites; And *their curse was taken from them, and their skin became white like unto the Nephites; And their young men and their daughters became exceedingly fair,* and they were numbered among the Nephites, and were called Nephites. And thus ended the thirteenth year. (3 Nephi 2:14-16)
Am I right they didn't understand about genetics and skin colour being more science then lord God curse. Did it ban them from priesthood for being non white?
They didn't exist. It's a work of fiction.
Joseph Smith was a true prophet of God
What leads you to believe that?
Behold the lie .
What lie?
Sorry my friend your evil . This chuch is good.
I'm sorry. You're wrong on both counts.