Can We Pull Back From The Brink? (Episode
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- Опубликовано: 12 июн 2020
- In this episode of the podcast, Sam Harris speaks about the recent social protests and civil unrest, in light of what we know about racism and police violence in America.
Released: June 12, 2020
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Well, as I black woman, I thought I could at least go for the low-hanging fruit of "don't burn Atlanta"...you know, given that it's celebrated for being black-owned. But the amount of backlash and disdainful vitriol I got was genuinely surprising. I didn't even dare say don't riot (and i mean riot, not protest). Given the push-back I got, I can't even imagine how scared people who are not black must feel. I highly, highly respect you for taking a steadying breath and posting this podcast.
@DYNAMITE DJANGOWTF lol
@DYNAMITE DJANGO dinosaur
People are being driven by uncontrolled emotion and misinformation. It’s literally causing mental instability and insane behavior
@@SerenitySong6 you might have copped it worse than many because they attack the ones they perceive as 'their own' if they've comitted heresy with more vigour, because they represent a danger to their 'truth'.
You were probably shocked you apparently committed such heresy, when you were making an appeal to sense.
@@nicknomski8399 To be honest, I've been butting heads with the gatekeepers of blackness since I came to this country. Back when I was a kid, I was called an oreo because I loved to read and thus knew big words. Was told my black card was cancelled because I didn't watch BET or listen to much rap. Was told I hated my own men because my first crush was an Asian boy. As an adult, I ran into it when I said I don't like the methods of BLM. I could literally go on all day.
I wasn't surprised that I got attacked. I know certain people go after black people who dissent with more fervor. I was surprised that I was attacked for saying don't burn ATALANTA. Atlanta. Where so many things are black owned. What exactly is the goal of the protests when saying don't burn black businesses is met with jeers...from black people?
"Your capacity to be offended isnt something that I, or anyone else, should respect. Your capacity to be offended isn't something that even you should respect. In fact, it is something you should be on the lookout for."
These words are golden. They should be the 11th commandment!
Nice
Sounds about white.
Jimmy Carr put it smartly like this, "Offence is taken not given."
quote for our generation if not entire species!!
I never had my mind changed so much in an hour and 53 minutes before...
How so, my man?
How so?
Not an atheist, not listening to Sam too often, but DAMN this is one of the best speeches I have ever heard in my life!
I cannot believe that reason....being rational in public...is now an act of courage. But I see this podcast as an act of courage.
It's also dangerous to the person speaking it.
The democrats have completely failed the working class in the US. They are the worst performing left party in the western world. No public health care, low minimum wage, no annual leave, no sick pay, no permanent unemployment benefits etc. The US has NONE of the entitlements all other western countries take for granted. It was Democrat failures that lead to the era of identity politics to keep themselves relevant and to get votes from women and minorities.
Is it surprising really?
Many people aren't swayed by reason. Do you think cancel culture is an act of reason? Do you think rioting is an act of reason?
No, they are acts of emotion and you can never win an argument based on emotion with reason. This is why you can't have a conversation with people that are charged with emotion, you can't win and you will only be a new enemy to them for not agreeing.
This is why it's clear we are over the brink in the US, the only end will be a violent uprising or authoritarianism oppression.
that’s what it was like to live in medieval europe. The ony sane man in all of europe is the one who’s suddenly realized he is surrounded by madmen as he is burned alive for witchcraft
There was lots of sense spoken here about policing, but it was not courageous. It's frustrating that Sam completely omits what is surely one of the most (if not the most) important factors in the general underperformance of the group in question, that is low average IQ. There's a lot of big talk here about having "honest conversations" about "relevant causal factors" but he seems so fixated on achieving his race-blind rainbow utopia, that he wants to not deny, but simply avoid reality: that the different performance of groups is because the groups are actually different. There is an incredibly well established link between intelligence and criminality (regardless of race), and the fact that Sam will bring up the legacy of slavery before he will mention IQ differences as a causal factor is very telling.
Three years ago he had Charles Murray on and talked frankly about this subject but even in that episode Sam acted as though the only relevance of the science was merely of academic interest and that it was better if the public at large don't know about it. Well what we're dealing with now is what happens when everyone in society has the expectation that every group should be performing equally well, and because the biological reason behind it has been hidden, they are left to conclude that it must be "structural", "institutional", or "systemic" racism. "Courageous" would have been talking about the causal factors that are extremely consequential but taboo, not trotting out the usual CNN talking points of "legacy of slavery".
I wish everybody in America would listen to this episode.
I couldn't possibly agree more than I emphatically do. To say that Sam Harris is a calming voice of reason is a gross understatement.
Every human could benefit regardless of nationality.
I wish everyone in the world would just listen to all of Sam's podcasts and read his books. He's one of the the most thoughtful and insightful public intellectual/philosophers around at the moments. Even if one doesn't particularly align with all of Sam's views there can be no doubt that he parses difficult topics with unrivaled cognitive clarity and a zen like tempered tone . This is hands down my favorite podcast. It's a shame that I'm recently out of work and had to cancel my mlm monthly sub to his now paywalled podcast. At least he tosses us a free/full episode on YT still, on this rare occasion.
@@acetate909 I could not agree more with you. It is a real gift to be able to convey complex abstract concepts clearly and understandably to us less intelligent life forms!
I'm a data analyst and usually good with statistics, but this has been a lesson for me.
I'd like to see Ben Affleck weigh in on this conversation...
AHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! There’s Ben Affleck’s contribution.
*in Affleck voice* "Are you an expert on the black experience in America? What do _you_ know about it? That's gross! That's racist!" ...Does that cover it?
Ben Affleck. He will be in rehab or taking a vacation until it's safe to come back to La la land.
@Sebastian Ag By Hollywood's standards, yes...Affleck is indeed a modern intellectual. He is so brilliant that he wears his face mask scrunched over his nose, so his mouth is not prevented from access to cigarettes...yes, I'm serious. There are photos. I made a commentary sequence with two of them.
Only when he's on roids for a movie
Thank you for being the voice of sensibility and reason. Your treatment of arguments is very fair and even handed. We need more voices like yours to be amplified.
I wish the general public even had the patience to hear this message...
Just right wing Nazis gathering for a nice podcast, nothing to see, move on
No Name Sam Harris is a liberal. I’m also assuming you didn’t listen to what he said
The comment above yours is the reason why we have issues in this country
They don't.
it's tough to stop and listen to this measured, logical convo when you are fighting poverty, police violence, and a madman running our country.
I know this is a tough subject for Sam to speak about... but as a Black man in America 🇺🇸 I just want to say thank you Sam!
As a blond man, I also thank Sam ;)
Im a fan of Sam but he's tone deaf on this one. There is a big problem with policing in this country, it's easier to become a police man then it is to become a barber, which takes over twice as long with twice as much training. It's so easy to become one, many departments are believed to be full of white supremacists. Sam needs to understand this is a hugely systemic problem, and why are there protests, because some of these murders of innocent people of color are absolutely egregious borderlining on cold blooded and at time calculated murder
@@Elcherino123 Hi. Your points are police are under trained and there is a belief that there is a white supremacist presence in the police force. For the first, you and Sam seem to agree entirely. And I think the obvious answer is more and better training. For the second, I think you again agree entirely that there is no room for white supremacy in the police force and there needs to be serious, rational discussion on how to address this and other issues.
Yo Bo
So would defunding police aid or impair better police training? 🤔
There is a problem with policing, and with race and policing. To say it's only a racial issue, and that it is pervasive and defines every facet of policing is not supported by any evidence.
I honestly believe law enforcement is the least understood profession in the country, and yet everyone claims to be an expert on it. We already ask too much from our officers, and yet some want them to be social justice and race relations experts. It's a difficult job with too many incapable or underqualified people. but the requirements are too high partially because people have impossible expectations.
Listening to this for the 3rd time again, makes me appreciate Sams pure voice of reason in this time of chaos.
Word.
he's a f-ing idiot.
3rd time here also. Cool Calm Collected discussing facts. So refreshing
Jarl Borg if you have something better, publish it in thoughtful discussion. Name calling isn’t going to work.
Jarl Borg frankly I did not know the crime stats and have verified them all. This is not my expertise and have learned a great deal but all of the questions he asks. I guess I was confused - I thought you were calling me or Sam an asshole...
Hell yeah sam, I have said many of the things you have said myself, and the pushback I always get is extreme. I dont have any public persona to risk by speaking the truth, like you do. Thank you for doing this, you have my respect and gratitude!
I admire Sam Harris. He goes to great lengths to articulate his points, being fully aware beforehand that they are going to be cynically misinterpreted from many quarters, and tossed right back at him.
He knows he's doomed to failure, but like a salty old sea captain, he grimly goes down with the ship.
👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
@@AI-Ops only an ignorant mind can see intelligence in sam harris
Dobbingoz982 Dobbingo I agree, his priorities are a bit off on this one.
Every police report is a lie yet Sam wants us to take his statistics as facts
IQ
people who can't control their emotions, often want to control other people's behaviour.
Can we really control our emotions? I am not arguing. I think that is an interesting idea to discuss.
@@frenchfrog70 I think we can.
This is only my thought process... Take it for what it is. I believe that our emotions are manifestations of something deeper within that we are not yet conscious of. I think it is the notion of control that disturbs me. At the same time I do believe that we can influence our emotions or at least the manifestations of them by introspection and mindfulness. Why do we have emotions to start with?
I also think that the illusion of control might be the best way to not have any control.
@@frenchfrog70 not really interesting if you start meditation and answer this question with a resounding YES YOU CAN and its the best thing i learned to improve my life. You cant control the rise of emotion but you can control how long the emotion lasts by learning to feel it deeply and then let it subside on its own, its the difference between 1 hour of anger to literally seconds of anger. Once you realize all the things you tell yourself the stories, the fictive scenarios that would make you angry, sad, depressed or anything in between are mostly ways to prolong a specific feeling and that its just not worth it you start to develop a habit of letting go of bad emotions and amplifying good emotions with the self talk of how amazing the world is or something. If you are aware of your anger you cease to be angry. Try the waking up App from sam its a godsend. You can be more yourself because you dont let emotions control your narrative that your tell yourself. If some things dont make sense just try it out you will soon see how much control you have over your inner state, it honestly blew me away and there ist near infinite possiblity for growth in that domain, it really is a ocean inside you that you never noticed is there its fucking amazing
This episode is incredible. I wish more people could speak this clearly on this topic
The hardest part of this conversation, for me, is that I find the person I am talking to locked into a binary way of thought. If you think this, then you are on that side. If you think that, then you are on the other, and if you express thoughts that reflect views from one percieved side or another, then I'm often told I am confused. The idea that you have to pick a team and ride that team's rhetoric without thinking about the rhetoric and it ignores all the nuances in between.
Yep yep yep
Right now this it the biggest problem facing the country bar none.
Yes and one side tends to go by feelings a lot of the time and if you aren’t in that persons shoes you will never understand .. they are basically both begging us to try and understand them and at the same time telling us we will never understand them
@@buckstraw925 not just the Us too. this plague of polarised thinking's spreading further
sorry, typo. i meant US, not Us
Sam Harris needs to be given the opportunity to give this message to Congress so it can be part of the nation's government transcripts.
What would be very helpful would be if all the media outlets spent a few moments giving actual race/crime statistics and for those who don't do straightforward math, show videos of white people being treated roughly by police such as the Tony Timba video.
The government doesn't want the conversation to shift towards inequality of opportunity. That's a much harder problem to solve and a problem that they don't want to solve.
I really wish more people in government listened to Sam Harris. There are too many people on both sides of the aisle who aren’t willing to be reasonable and examine the nuance of everything that is happening. Zealotry of any kind helps no one.
LMAO!
"can you believe they platformed sam harris in congress? just shows you how much systematic racism exists to platform a white supremacist like sam harris"
Hearing somebody apply critical thinking feels so good. I'm old enough to remember when people agreed to disagree and you didn't try to destroy someone because they have a different opinion.
I don't know if you've ever read a history book but socialists, atheists, and gay people might not remember when they were simply left alone while doing their own thing.
Those suckers back then obviously either didn't believe what they said or didn't really care about the topic. Destroying someone with the opposite view demonstrates you do both.
My father and his family fled his home state of Alabama in the late 40s, probably too late to properly call it part of the Great Migration. They were fleeing racial violence, and this was a couple decades after the worst lynching of the 20th century.
My father became a communist, the only reasonable reaction to fleeing violent racism in the south only to experience the politically racist ghettoization of NYC. You could talk to him for years and never suspect that. He was hesitant to tell his own children, never explained his beliefs to his wife. Why? Because he never lived in an America where people just agreed to disagree over controversial opinions.
You remember a more calm and peaceful world because you were sheltered. All around you people were being oppressed and killed by people for their beliefs or just for existing. The motivations for their subjugation were things you're coddled enough to consider differences of opinion. The people who suffered you considered so less than you forgot they existed. Maybe you never even knew they did.
Your bubble has been popped. Your safe space is gone. History is on the march. Your illusory, peaceful America has been unmasked as an illusion, and the screams of the dregs of society will deafen you until you die.
Sorry for the inconvenience, lib.
when was that?
San Harris is that flicker of light in a dark room.
@Dave O
time stamp?
How dare you discriminate against all the lite rooms!!!
Hes not a flicker, he is not a coward. The reason why we're in this shi# to begin with, is because we're surrounded by spineless cowards. White people have f'd up big time here! I dont understand how people have no clue what they did and what is about to happen. I'm speechless.
@@user-kb1hw2yq2f yes let's blame it all on white people. Your ridiculous.
San Harris is that flicker of light in a dark room that thinks the darkness just has to be reogranized to create light.
That was the first ever episode of Sam Harris's podcast I ever listened. Power was out, it was dark all around me, this is how I listened it, with 100% concentration while waiting for electricity at the same time.
Sam, you need to write that "Letter to a Young Liberal." The world needs it, and you're the one to do it.
Only if you Trumptards read his, "Letter to a Christian Nation" first. It's hilarious how you guys bury your heads in the sand while the republican party wipes its ass with the constitution.
@@hartkopz86 Definitely.
@@hartkopz86 Why'd you call him a Trumptard?
@@hartkopz86 you came across as the major head burier in this instance.
@@gordieallen6422 solar isn't, it was meant as a generality but I understand why you could read it that way.
Sam's voice of reason is needed more than ever right now, I am SO relieved he's weighing in on the current madness going on.
The IDW has to come back together.
@@aadityamurali18 Bret and Eric Weinstein have been especially important sources of rationality and objectivity with the Dark Horse and Portal respectively.
My thoughts exactly. 👍
I am curious to know how many instances of African American police officers killing of white people. Both in numbers and proportionally.
@@frenchfrog70 not exactly sure about those statistics but here are some statistics about police shootings per race.
www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/
ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-2018/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-6.xls
Please do more solo's. They're the only ones I really listen too. This is absolutely brilliant!
you spelt "to" wrong BRO
@@taylorhumphrey617 I didn't spell it wrong, I used the wrong spelling. lol
As a black living in the US, I think that this episode was very valuable. The people that do not agree with this (Black or White), are people that chose to follow their emotions over reasons. It is sad, but the more people are doing that, the more the USA is in danger of plunging into civil war. I hope that more African Americans would watch this (even outdated as it is) and think more seriously about the proper way of building a less racist society.
stupid emotions.
african american is such a stupid term
"Anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Hell of a quote right there
@peak jvs
You are right but you are not commenting the comment. You are just saying an atrocious person can do atrocious things. This is not philosophy, it is a mere evidence.
"Anyone who has the power to play bongo drums has the power to play bongo drums" - Sam Harris
Gzus that is powerful.
"race isn't real; men can be women; age ain't nothin but a number; criminals are actually victims of society; holobunga happened"
Shitlibs runnin wild on Earth rn.
"Your capacity to be offended isn't something that I should respect, in fact your capacity to be offended isn't even something you should respect; it is something you should be on your guard for... Perhaps more than any other property of your mind, this feeling, can mislead you...."
*_Justice will only exist where those not effected by injustice are filled with the same amount of indignation as those offended._*
~ Plato
*_In a free society, standards of public morality can be measured only by whether physical coercion ~ violence against persons or property ~ occurs. There is no right not to be offended by words, actions or symbols._*
~ Richard E. Sincere, Jr.
*_Nobody has the right to not be offended._*
~ Salman Rushdie
*_I'm as against restricting access to drugs as I am to burning books. It offends me in the same way._*
~ Terence McKenna
@@davidhunt7427 It's best to read Salman Rushdie's full quote to understand what he meant. Obviously this was following the riots about his book "The Satanic Verses:
Nobody has the right to not be offended. That right doesn't exist in any declaration I have ever read.
If you are offended it is your problem, and frankly lots of things offend lots of people.
I can walk into a bookshop and point out a number of books that I find very unattractive in what they say. But it doesn't occur to me to burn the bookshop down. If you don't like a book, read another book. If you start reading a book and you decide you don't like it, nobody is telling you to finish it.
To read a 600-page novel and then say that it has deeply offended you: well, you have done a lot of work to be offended
So brilliant, but so obvious on reflection.
Thank you, Sam, for 2 hours of desperately needed clarity. If only politicians or news anchors could find such words in times like these.
Thats the exact problem with employing people over their political beliefs and not capabilities
Wow, I just discovered this channel. This is amazing! So much content!!!!!
My mind is blowing up trying to figure out how I'm going to watch this all!!!
What scares me the most, is that a monument of intelligence and rational thinking like Sam had to make a 40 minute tiptoe introducción to have a logic conversation on a topic that needs the most brutal, honest scrutiny, because of the claim it’s intending the world to believe.
Thank you so much for standing up to raise a voice of reason in all this madness Sam.
Yup, and practically nobody who needs to hear this message will last those 40 minutes, or even 10, IMHO.
He also can't help but bash Trump with zero 'clarity of thought' and absolutely no explanation on how Trump's re-election would be an 'existential threat to Democracy'. You wanna disagree with Trump and vote for someone else in November, fine. But an 'existential threat to Democracy'? Come on. That's ludicrous. I definitely agree with most of this, but Sam's got a terrible case of Trump Derangement Syndrome that really puts a lot of rational people off.
Trump's assault on reason, truth, and the very basic tenets of decency have changed politics for the worse. No president has ever acted, or been able to act this way because of Twitter and the internet.
TrapshooterTV
“Everything he said was great until he criticized trump! I like trump!”
I’m so tired of hearing from trump supporters that everyone should be able to speak freely- but they shouldn’t ever criticize trump; they should stay out of “politics”.
As though it’s not relevant that the POTUS is a maniac who has had a severely deleterious effect on the discourse in this country.
@@trapshootertv2610 There are many other speeches and podcasts where Sam goes into great detail about how Trump is destroying democracy. That wasn't the topic of this one, hence his only light touching upon it.
Never, in the field of public protest, has so much opinion been held by so many people based on so few facts.
I wouldn't say "never" but yeah. It's difficult. He's right on about half of what he says; but not right on another half. I'd love to debate Sam, but I'd hate to debate Sam.
Would you point out which claims you disagree with?
Sounds like one of those funny quips that Tom sowell makes
Ohhhh, Idk about that. You should come study economics with the rest of us economists. I'll show you a whole new world of non-factual supported opinion ;)
@@tah3460 Hahaha. Good point, although economists are generally disinclined to engage in public protest to advance their flawed economic theories.
Absolutely brilliant talk Sam. A balanced view. A very bold commentary. There are so many issues wrapped into these relationships. And that's what they are, relationships. It's like wartime. Too many people are preparing for a fight, instead of looking for small solutions for the hundreds of issues that need to be addressed to pull people back from the brink. Everybody needs to claim responsibility and work toward small incremental solutions.
This might be the single most important podcast episode you've ever made Sam, and that's saying a lot.
Thank you, Sam. This made me cry. Because no one has guts to speak truth anymore. What we desperately need is adults in the room and all the people who supposed to provide leadership are either incompetent, misguided, or completely relinquished their duty and taking an easy path of conforming. This undoubtedly will come at a cost to you, but that's what real heroes do, they do what is right well knowing of great personal cost they will have to pay. Thank you for being a ray of light in a sea of darkness.
Arse kissing for the benefit of the other readers.
You cried? Really?
Get a hold of yourself.
You're a help to no one if you're that emotional.
@Joey Shmoey U guys are totally related.
Absolutely agree with you. I found this to be the most helpful analysis of the situation, all in one piece. Brilliant work deserving to be published.
No the Liberals who believe America is an idea and this was going to pass are the ones who can't get the egg off their face.
I wish this would go viral. I haven't heard an analysis of this situation with more clarity. Thankyou, Sam.
Maybe check our Atheism is Unstoppable, or Glenn Loury/John McWhorter, or Coleman Hughes, or even Sargon of Akkad. They represent the list of all humans that I’ve ever heard making sense on these issues.
AIU and John/Glenn are my go to guys. They generally say the same things but with different styles. AIU being my favorite, since he represents what a whites person armed with the facts would sound like without a shred of white guilt or hesitation of possibly offending someone.
He simply treats black people like they are humans who need to be held to the same standards as everyone else is, in a world where holding everyone to account regardless of race is often seen as racism in itself.
It’s kind of wild, when you see an actual robust anti-racist and you have to untangle your own racism and ignorance to understand how what they say and do is not racism but is actually affirmative anti-racism.
It's going viral
@@mellowtron214 thanks for those recommendations, I am checking them out now
Sam Harris, I always appreciated your clarity of thinking. This recent period of time has been one of restless and a sort of dazed mediation on all things and your present voice is much needed to keep general wordly focus. Love you, and thanks for putting out these uploads during these strange times.
Probably the first of Sam Harris I've listened to in a few months. Really glad I did.
You shouldn't be
Radical Lefty okay larp
I’ve tried to explain these things and got death threats, lost friends and had my family begging me not to keep disagreeing with the narrative. Not because they think I am bad & not because they think I’m wrong (and they do because they listen to hours of BBC radio but I can’t get them to listen to 2 hours of Sam Harris), but because they believe I am damaging my reputation irreparably. Risk losing friends, family and work. I’ve also had violent threats sent to my inbox.
I wish the media would just do their job.
This was very sad to read, I am so sorry it turned that way with your family and work. I hope things in your family and work will change for better, people needs to open their eyes and ears on those issues.
And don't worry about those false friends, you will find better ones. At least as long as their are not constantly related to your work, because than it can be a pain in the ass.
Anyway, stay safe and healthy.
I'm really sorry
Same here. My wife agrees with me, but I lost my job because of COVID and she doesn’t want me to ruin future job opportunists by appearing “racist” on Facebook.
All the best to you, Honest John, all the best. I have broken contact with my best friend and more over this. Like you said, many people are unwilling to consider the evidence when you put it right in front of their faces. This is especially powerful coming from Sam. My guess would be that half or more of his audience believed the fake narrative. Many of them are going to have their heads split wide open from cognitive dissonance when they listen to what Sam is telling them on this subject.
There is no money to be made for the media if they tell the truth
Many Chinese Americans who experienced Cultural Revolution have pointed out that, this is exactly what happened during that dangerous period of time.
I also notice how many young russian-americans and other immigrants say the same thing...
Please explain more. I don’t know much about the Cultural Revolution. What is happening exactly on America that is so similar to what happened in China?
@@Rokaize The re-writing of history to demonize it to the point where people are willing to erase monuments like statues and burn books.
People being fired because of something their spouse said.
www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mls/2020/06/05/galaxy-drop-aleksandar-katai-after-wifes-social-media-posts/111912488/
@@Rokaize Widespread mass delusion and adherence to no other power than political correctness. Public shaming as a means of total social control. The list goes on.
Thank you Sam for taking on such a huge project and laying it out with such a display of love & logic
This has got to be the absolute best podcast on the topic that I have heard so far. Absolutely incredible. Highly highly respect you for putting it EXACTLY to the point.
Thanks for including this in its entirety on RUclips.
This couldn’t be called anything other than “making sense”. So well presented I could cry. I have been feeling so alone in my sanity lately, there are very few people who are capable of rational discussion now. This gave me hope that there ARE people out there who can think for themselves and use reason and critical thought. Thank you.
Same here!
Please do not feel alone. I have hope that more people are willing to think on the matter and actually discuss, than there are people who don't. The problem lies in the fact that the people who dont want to discuss or think scream. And over the screaming of few irrational, the calm voice of the rational can not be heard.
@@c.raynor7723 The other issue is that you have SO MANY institutions - from our schools to corporations to even your neighbor - fall victim to the organization that is mostly the leftist hellhole (I won't not acknowledge the right-wing response to this) and bend the knee. And that's what's the issue here - the message and the facts that can back up your arguments have been thrown out the window; it's a matter of being for or against a certain group. And it's not even being for or against something, being put into that black and white choice. It's the violence that they start using if you don't agree with THEM.
Yes - exactly what I was thinking!
Don't be an arrogant prick. Just because you don't agree with someone doesn't mean they're not thinking critically.
Thank you Sam, as always, for your enduring courage and honesty. Few with your platform possess these traits which are more critical now than ever. Proud to be a paid member for someone such as yourself who is always Making Sense.
"It ranks right up there with keeping shit out of our food". I wasn't expecting that haha 25:52
Or "the police looking for a Ben Stiller lookalike" 😂
funny how you don't expect intelligent people to sput complete A-historical nonsense hey?
And it's nothing short of miraculous that we actual managed to pull it off considering human nature.
@@keirbrown6544 Claiming that giving a monopoly on force to the state is one of the best things humans have ever done is a-historical? If you’re point is simply that this can go wrong if the state is tyrannical, then duh. I think it’s pretty obvious that Harris was referring to a democratic state, or even just a state that is at a minimum not completely tyrannical.
Or did you mean something else when you called this analysis “a-historical nonsense”?
This needs to be shared on all our social media channels.
Yes, so we can all finally understand how utterly out of touch with reality Sam actually is.
@@squatch545 Feel free to elaborate
I would, if he could shorten it by excluding the TDS and CNN worship. The insights into policing are vital.
Joe Smith He was here, he pressed some keys, then he left.
i heard this was a good podcast. im 10 mins in and sam the chosen person harris says these riots (falsely called protests) wouldnt be happening if trump wasn't president. they were happening when obama was president. don't you remember ferguson, baltimore, charlotte, milwaukee, etc. sam is the enemy of the people. scott adams needs to hand you another ass beating.
This is brilliant.. It is legit what most of us sane people think but just cant quite articulate properly
Half of Sam's podcast is pre feeling bad for himself. The other 40% is him saying he cannot talk about the thing he's talking about, then 10% racial paranoia in long calm sentences.
@@rawbebaba what exactly is the problem with hearing factual information and thorough thought on the topic? Especially from someone not shouting or yelling that you must agree or else your life/livelihood be subject to forfeiture at the whims of any particular group on any particular day. I encourage you to listen to this podcast again and actually look at the facts he presents.
@Robbie H. Do you think the need for his preamble is precisely because of people like you? People whose only response to well thought out arguments put bravely and in good faith, is to call it racist? DH.
I find that Sam is *so* articulate that you feel at least 28% smarter just listening to him.
.... or are too afraid to articulate.
Ive been waiting for a couple of years to hear people like Sam speak about these issues, glad to finally listen!
Wow I'm blown away. This 'essay' was so well done. Toed the line of rational assessment while acknowledging the racial undertones of American society. 👏👏.
The people that need to hear this never will...:(
I'm not sure how to share it without people getting the wrong idea. Everybody loves to take a side, and everyone loves to hear themselves talk.....
That unfortunately is, was and always will be true with most great content. Most people are simply not interested in expanding their horizons and we can't blame them because they didn't choose not to be interested.
nor do they have the intellect or self-awareness to understand it. and those who have the intelligence have already lost their thoughts to ideology.
Totally agree.
He's straight lying in this. He said a business owner was beaten, that's a LIE by conservatives.
The man in Dallas was not a business owner just an idiot who said he wanted to defend his neighborhood... WIth a MACHETE.
There was some sort of conflict because there's a video if him walking away while they throw small rocks at him and then in another video he turns around and chases one protesters swing his machete and missing, the they grab him and best his ass.
NOT a business owner just a man assaulting with a deal weapon
Refreshing - a light in the abyss. This sort of reflection is so important, thanks a lot for sharing the whole episode on youtube.
He's being a bit soft on the destructive Marxists for my liking
He got the crime statistics right, but Sam Harris is completely clueless about communism. This is why Jordan Peterson was telling people to read Gulag Archipelago. They teach children in elementary school that all problems in the world are created by white men because that's what universities teach. Even in red states.
Jordan Peterson - Social Justice Textbook Stuns Wilfrid Laurier Professors - tmcleanful m.ruclips.net/video/jIOX1hVRE8Y/видео.html
BLM founder admits they are trained Marxists - YoungRippa59 m.ruclips.net/video/rdpIIiBe7Wc/видео.html
This won't end until millions of people are murdered, if something isn't done about the public school system
Chinese Cultural Revolution: the boy who denounced his mother - The Guardian m.ruclips.net/video/CCA6ME81RLQ/видео.html
Also for someone who has so critical if Muslims in the past, he is totally overlooking Al-Jazeera, which is funded by Qatar, who's run by the Muslim Brotherhood. They are brainwashing people too. This is 4th generation warfare. facebook.com/ajplusenglish/videos/2060421310700419/
In addition to productive conversations as a way for making progress. I’m of the view, that practicing goodwill is a key proponent for making progress as well.
Goodwill is a prerequisite for productive conversation.
Sam Harris is a national treasure!
International*
Would wonder if Sam has the ability to think about if his premises would change if perhaps Trump is not as bad as the hypothesis implies? Obviously, no human and definitely no president has ever been perfect but what if Trump is not as evil as perception and personal assumptions implies? Or is it a feable exercise bc some people believe Trump is so evil whether it is true or not? And then must consider who or what is truly to blame for that conclusion?
He should talk on Joe Rogan about this to present his view to more people.
Joe Rogan is incapable of having this conversation honestly.
Vastly Educated I agree.
@@wallstreetwoes431 That's fine, Harris can do the explaining.
Joe Rogan is a moron, btw.
There’s a podcast of Sam Harris on joe Rogans podcast debating Hannibal Burris where Sam makes a lot of the same point as this, and joe agrees with almost everything sam Harris says
Go on Joe Rogan and discuss this, this needs to get out there.
It would be over Joe's head.
He already did this in a discussion with Hannibal burress like two years ago
Joe isn't the smartest guy and he admits that. He often gets pulled into the logical orbit of his guest. That said he has a massive platform that can connect with people who need this message of logic.
Giving Rogan the benefit of the doubt would be superfluous since you still have to consider his audience.
It's not teaching Joe it's about teaching his audience
Hearing Sam drop the 13/50 percent bombshell left me thunderstruck and laughing at the same time
As always, Sam takes an impossibly complex subject, and carefully navigates and guides us mere mortals along the path of reason and honesty. Thank you Sam for always being a voice of reason in an unreasonable world.
Thank you Mr Harris. It's good to still see someone with some balls "make sense" on such a taboo subject. Especially when sane views are so unpopular these days, and the only viewpoints being heard are from the worst of both sides.
Social media has a lot to answer for this current mess we are jn
Absolutely. They censor a Trump tweet, saying it glorified violence, while they left tweets up during the riots that openly encouraged and organized them.
Since Facebook and Twitter selectively enforces their TOS (you don’t need to violate the TOS to get suspended) and decides to censor one political viewpoint over another, they should be declared publishers and made to be held responsible for anything that appears on their sites.
Mainstream Media even more so...
Humans are not ready for social media yet. That is the truth
@@richardpowell1772 Your comment is illustrative of the problem. That tweet you are referring to wasn't CENSORED! Nudity and profanity are censored on broadcast tv. The tweet you are referring to wasn't censored whatsoever. It is still on Twitter for those who want to find it (Unless cadet bone spurs deleted it). What Twitter did do was tag that particular tweet, not censor it.
The sad thing is that if you choose to reply, my money would be on you doubling down on your incorrect statement, not to admit that your understanding of that particular situation was completely wrong. I make this conclusion based on the rest of your comment. You view everything as "Left" vs "Right". When someone views everything as an Us vs Them scenario, it would be devastating to their identity to actually have the strength, maturity, and intellectual honesty to admit they were wrong.
Social media is like we are psychic. We see each others thoughts.
This episode is the most thoughtful and considered, sane delineation on this that I have ever heard.
Dr. Harris is truly a steeple of rationale and thoughtful consideration, and we should be thankful that people such as him are still around to speak openly and with nuance on topics wherein most other people cower to their Netflix instead.
Thanks for your courage and for being a sane voice in the madness.
This is a guy who courageously, tactfully and thoughtfully analyzes the terrible situation in our nation. We need to look at the facts and get past the emotion in order to fix the problems that face our country.
Except he quoted incorrect “facts”. Fir example, Rolands study was fatally flawed and was shown to be so by two other Harvard scholars.
Sam forget to do his research.
@@angryaussieatheist2590 so which fact is the incorrect one?
Sam is brave. Currently, any famous figure who speaks against the popular opinion (that is the protest being based on race or even police misconduct) is shat on by the majority. Sam is willing to risk that for a factual dialogue. Unlike one of the Weinstein brothers whom I thought would do the same as harris but did otherwise.
@Cameron Crazy him being an atheist is one of his best qualities, what's the alternative? Christianity? Lmao
@Cameron Crazy
A person's religion, or lack there of, should not be a factor in this dialogue. It's similar to judging a person based on their race. I try to be open minded and consider all dialogue from all religions, races and ethnicities in order to find peaceful solutions. We don't have to agree, but let's not pre- judge a person based on who they are. Isn't that a big part of the problem we're addressing.
One of the most imprtant monologue of our times and definitely the most courageous one. Hats off to you Sam Harris!
Yes. These were the most important 113 minutes I've spent on RUclips this year.
@@sophonax661 0
Courageous? Lol He’s a rich white guy with an opinion. That’s standard.
@@sophonax661 ditto
@@KingstonHawke Wait, you're being sarcastic right?
A year on from the most important podcast of all time, relevant as ever
I have listened to this podcast all the way through at least 4 times. The first time I heard it (during the absolute peak of the anarchy during summer of2020) as soon as it ended, I started it over and listened again.
Wow. The balls on this guy. The fact Sam Harris was not immediately cancelled after posting this is an indicator that his arguments appeal to the logos instead of the pathos.
Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts and disseminating the facts in an unbiased manner.
Hey Sam, I've been listening to you for the better part of 3 years. I rarely comment. Nonetheless I think this podcast was your very best work. You tackled the issues with such grace, empathy, finesse and candor you deserve serious praise. I hope this podacst goes viral and Ill do my part to ensure this gets out.
Agreed on this being his best work
@Dig Byck and yet you still listen
@@stephenbyrneireland Ouch!
@Stephen Byrne
Well done! 👏🏼
He clearly learned the lesson from his debate with Hannibal Buress. If you spend a half hour laying down disclaimers and exculpatory prose, once you bring up the statistical reality we live in, your opponent will be reduced to a screaming madman. What you need to do is spend two hours laying down disclaimers.
In 2021? Five hours.
Whoever reads this, I hope you're doing well. I hope you are loved. Take care of yourself, be kind to the people in your life and don't be afraid to let someone know you care about them.
Thank you, Thuggz Bunney. Elmer Fudd will soon only be hunting you with a scythe.
Outstanding podcast, Sam! Thank you for speaking up about this issue.
this podcast is the most intelligent inside into american society i've ever heard. each month i keep coming back, listening to sam's warm voice. it really changed my perception. thank you!
Don't lose faith in us! There are some intelligent people in the US, but the zombies are taking over.
I listen to Sam from Kenya(Africa), I have points of disagreements with him but he is very honest especially on culture and religion.
A welcome voice of reason in these times of most people acting on their emotions. Thanks Sam.
sam is all emotional about trump. listen to the scott adams episode.
Communist
Sam's podcast are a light in the darkness of madness and insanity.
Truly in the listing of GOAT podcast episodes. I've listened to this more times than I can remember.
I respect what he did here so much. Thank you, Sam. Guts.
I listened to this today at work, and man everybody needs to hear this.. EVERYONE!
Doug G ~ Yeah,
i think that it’s very important that the public gets both sides of the debate and the other side of the propaganda.
Please check out the amazing documentary series called =
“EUROPA THE LAST BATTLE”
All Ten episodes are well worth watching.
Removed and Banned in many places, However You Can Still Find it iF You Look hard enough
(it’s also available on DVD)
it’s one of the most important & fascinating documentary series to come out this decade and should be shown in our schools and colleges worldwide.
if it was shown on the mainstream media then we would win our fight for freedom over night.
We all must do our best to spread the Truth and wake our people up from a very deep sleep.
if you can, Please share it with as many people as you can before it gets Removed & Lost Forever.
The Censorship Continues but
OUR WEAPON IS TRUTH !
God Bless (Bitchute)
You Won’t Be Disappointed. . .
The idw spin on things
@Stand together america exactly
I'm really impressed with Sam's courage to speak out rationally on a topic that has become so emotionally charged. He is one of the few people on the left who would publically take a stand like this.
I would like to see Sam invite Thomas Sowell to his podcast.
Liberals don't like him. They typically don't like renouned economists
100%, this would be great!.
Does he still deny climate change?
@@jesselee34 I'm not 100% but I think you can go as far as to say he probably doesn't agree on the man made part. Plus I would want him on Sam's podcast more for the economics side of things.
The right wing climate change denying bigot? Great idea!
"Bravery" is so overused on social media - often to describe expressing extremely popular sentiments that garner many "likes" and "upvotes." What Sam Harris just did with this podcast is true bravery. He expertly articulates the problem with the current "mass delusion" we are experiencing, and does so in an extremely convincing and fact-based way. This episode absolutely needs to be shared far and wide. Both the left and the right in America truly should be able to put aside partisan bickering and unite behind pretty much all of the points made here.
Agreed. I'm not normally a huge fan of Sam Harris, but he was right on here.
Soooooo agree. The extreme left brainwashed anti white anti history marxists have become the accepted norm. My son has to sit through videos of Greta Thunberg talking about race or climate. She left school at 13 ffs!! She has a fully paid 'Climate coach' but no one teaching her History or Civics or Maths.
@Bobby C _Should_ is the operative word in my comment.
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The only person on TV brave enough to mention the truth is (TUCKER CARLSON )
This episode is probably the most balanced summary I have heard regarding the current events. No, it's definitely the most balanced I've heard.
That, and Coleman Hughes's in conversation with Meghan Murphy.
Don't forget half the people here (mostly Trump supporters) called Sam hysterical when he brought data to bear on COVID and he still thinks the most rational response is to get Trump out of that basis alone. When he cites statistics regarding COVID, it's fake news and Sam is an ideologue, now it's "the voice of reason!" Whatever fits the narrative
blaming trump for the george s0r0s riots. yeah so balanced. they were rioting under obama. obama called them thugs.
@@dariusmalone740 yea still too much TDS
@Kvothe Windrunner Please try and get out of the liberal echo-chamber. Please form a truly balanced view. It can be hard sometimes. Most of humanity lies somewhere in the middle of the political spectrum. The media amplifies the worst of both sides and so it can be hard to see what's true.
Please don’t ever take this down.
Sam you are the clearest speaker I could only hope for all of us to be in terms of your debate and demeanour when discussing such subjects. Please keep speaking for us that genuinely believe this is the best aspects of societal remedy. Thank you my man x
I'm always amazed at his ability to articulate perspectives so objectively and in ways that give voice to those who can't express these ideas nearly as eloquently.
During the past weeks I thought either me, or the whole world was going insane. Thank you for showing me that I am not the only one who is seeing these things!
"your capacity to be offended isn't something I have to care about"...love it!!
The arguments in this podcast are so beautifully articulated, as a conservative it’s been hard to express why I’m critical of the BLM movement and how I simultaneously care about the black community, and you articulated it nearly perfectly, this was an amazing podcast and I’m so happy I discovered it
“If you care about justice, and you absolutely should, you should care about facts and the ability to discuss them openly.”
- Sam Harris
Thank you for using statistical data and logic instead of impulse emotion and fear of social backlash.
What a refreshing point of view, thank you for publishing this despite your initial trepidation.
As a non-American that sometimes follows American politics, at 48:41 i truly thought the answer would be about 10,000. Goes to show you how effective the media is to the casual observer.
They were protesting here in Canada, we had 450 in 17 years. Ppl have no clue what's actually going on.
The most disheartening thing about all this is that even having this conversation is liable get you labeled a racist
If you are called a racist tell them “that is a label, not an argument”.
Sad but true :(
@@davidwelty9763 that's actually a great response. Totally going to borrow that.
It can be done. You need to be precise with your words though! like other's have said, focus on the goal of a post - racial world. What sane human being would not want that? MLK wanted that.
We can show people there is a higher plane of awareness we can get to, so we can cast off the noose of race that weighs our entire species down.
@@davidwelty9763 It's more of an accusation than a label.
I thought I had a sound view of what is going on in America, but was surprised how much this made me question my perspective. Particularly disturbing was quite how difficult people find it to ask the sort of questions which need answering, in order to get a clear overview of what is happening. Kudos to Sam for doing so.
J Davies - Respect to you for reconsidering what you thought to be true.
This made me think too, we should view having our beliefs challenged as a form of pleasure
You need to read more about cultural marxism. Read about how these tactics were deployed on blacks post jim crow and during. And then notice how its being deployed on the United States as a whole now.
I highly recommend this
m.ruclips.net/video/gIdBuK7_g3M/видео.html
Exactly. Anyone not attempting to be open and ask basic questions is a dishonest actor. There are a lot on this subject
What's remarkable here is how carefully and thoroughly Sam prepares the listener of this podcast - with his preamble bordering on apology for what he's about to say - before enumerating opinions that are merely common sense and reason-based.
Absolutely brilliant. Thanks for speaking up..
I honestly don't think it'd be an understatement to say that this is the most important video to watch in relation to this time right now.
Dear god I hope people watch this.
Yep, for now, this podcast/video is the most important thing out there. UNTIL Sam tells us the truth about BLM and Antifa and their hidden (in plain sight) agenda of old-fashioned revolution. I mean burning of the Constitution, rewriting our history, radical appropriation of wealth, punishment of privileged whites, and coercive political re-education for all. I do not believe that I have exaggerated at all. It is more speculative to imagine that this revolutionary regime will engage in mass murder of its enemies on the historical scale of revolutionary France, Nazi Germany, the USSR, and Communist China. But just because I don't speculate that this definitely will happen does not mean that I think it is off the table.
Sam, this is a podcast that has to be publicly available forever.
Man’s gotta eat
Check your white privilege!!
@DV I think in every episode he mentions that money should not be the barrier to listening to these podcasts, so if you want to listen but can't afford it, you can get a free membership.
@Jace Rockman
it is moreso the general public that needs to hear this and they will not go out of their way to get a membership, freee or otherwise.
I thibk that’s the problem DV is speaking about
This Ben Stiller guy is pretty articulate!
Man I love his smoothing voice. Very smart guy as well.
How do we build a city for people that listen to this podcast?
Man, that sounds like utopia! A society of open-minded, thoughtful people, having civil discourse based on reason and treating each other respectfully? Count me in!
Everyone thinks they're open-minded and thoughtful, just like the New Atheists thought they were rational, dispassionate, and objective. The city would have the same problems that any other city has because it would be a city inhabited by humans. It might take a generation to regress to the mean, but it would, nevertheless.
Sam Harris Autonomous Zone
This is the definition of an echo chamber
@@NH-ly7zc hahahahahah true
Sam gave a tour de force talk here. His wisdom and oratory skills have to be admired.
utterly spectacular
Except he calls use of force statistics facts when we all know police reports are lies. Huge error and to me he needs to take down the video
Yet again and as if magically on cue you appear out of the woodwork to kiss arse. Your seal of approval is not needed neither is your judgment on oratory skills. I'd advise you to keep your Harris worship to a minimum because what does it actually say about you? That you should be so easily impressed and elevate Harris to such a degree. Then so beneath him you be!
We need rational, steady, considerate approaches like yours. Never change, Sam Harris.
When someone says what you know and believe but they are Sam Harris so of course it will be perfect. I listened twice so I can memorize they way he makes some points.