The Most Difficult BEAM SKILLS in the 2025-28 Code of Points
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- Опубликовано: 2 июл 2024
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Here are the 7 most difficult skills in the 2025-28 Code of Points:
- the Erceg;
- the Layout Full mount;
- the Shishova II;
- the Patterson;
- the Full-Twisting Double Tuck;
- the Full-Twisting Double Pike;
- the Biles.
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If something is too dangerous, you ban it. You don’t cheat the person who can do it.
They’re basically penalizing Simone Biles for being too great at a skill.
Simone’s quote perfectly said what needed to be said
Yep 👍🏼
The Biles should be a I/J rated skill, and full in piked should be and H. It's stupid that both tuck and pike is worth the same
Tuck and pike are worth the same because it depends on the gymnast. Some gymnasts find pike body positions to actually be easier than tuck, while some gymnasts find tuck easier than pike.
Right ‘cause if a double tuck is a D and a double pike is an E a double pike 1/1 should be higher than a double tuck 1/1 🤷🏾♀️
Oh I would loveeeeee a video where you explain the most significant changes to the COP for this next quad on all 4 events.
The most significant changes in my opinion is that releases with half turns on uneven bars are now worth the same as the same ones without half turns, and the fact that direct D acro + B acro and indirect C acro + D acro connections have been upgraded from 0.1 to 0.2
@@MariU9 I feel like that’s actually huge. So if I’m understanding you correctly direct connections like 2.5 back layout (D) into a punch front layout (B) or punch front with half twist (B) both get 0.2 CV as well as front full layout (C) indirect into a double back (D) gets 0.2 CV. That’s actually huge for building difficulty on floor exercise. I imagine the front full into double back indirect connection will be very very popular in the next code then especially because it receives 0.2 dismount bonus
@alexi8741 yes, that's exactly how it works! And yeah, we're definitely gonna see a lot of indirect front full + double tuck/pike and direct 2.5 back layout + front layout in the next quad lol
@@MariU9 the fact that the front layout step out is a B skill too is kinda wild because you could get 0.2 CV without as many landing deductions
I read the code of points now, the most importants things:
*VT*
Vaults still the same SV.
Gr 5 vaults now have an incomplete turn deduction.
0.2 bonus in the score for vaults in different directions.
*UB*
The same CV (sadly).
Now tckachev with or without turn with the same root and the jaeger in any position with or without turn can be performed once.
Example:
Hindorff (credited)
Black (not credited)
Li ya (credited)
Layout jaeger(not credited)
The jaeger and tckachev elements with half turn have now the same value as the counterpart without turn: example Tweedle is D, Li ya is D, Black is F.
Endos in mixed grip are upgraded to D (with ½ turn also D) and with full turn is E.
Nemour is downgraded to G.
Double layout 1/1 DMT upgrade to F
*BB*
Same CV
Stag Jump added to the COP (A value) is the same element as the Sissone
Ring Sissone added to the COP (B value) is the same element as the Stag Ring Jump
0.2 artistic deductions in poor body posture and lack of fluency
*FX*
DMT bonus only if you performed more than 2 acro lines
C+D/E indirect is now 0.2 CV
Ex: front full to double pike 0.2 CV
1 ½ twist to 2 ½ twist 0.2 CV
B/C+D direct is now 0.2 CV
Example
2 ½ twist to front layout 0.2 CV
Front full to front double twist CV
Arabians saltos with ½ turn are bwd elements and now are the same elements as full in tuck/pike
Split ring jump full is downgraded to C
0.2 artistic deductions in body posture, poor expressive engagement and connectivity with the music
0.3 artistic deductions in poor expressive engagement and connectivity with the music.
FIG: we want athletes to push the limits of gymnastics
biles: bet! *does the double double off beam*
FIG: not like that
7:54 my thing with the Biles and them giving it that low rating…they claim to “worry about the safety of other athletes” but the thing is that they TRAIN these things. They do these difficult dismounts into foam pits and pads. If they can’t perform the element they shouldn’t perform it. And if they decide to take that risk that is the decision of the athlete and their coach. But they shouldn’t penalize the ONE ATHLETE that CAN do it. And she should be absolutely rewarded for being able to push the limits of the sport.
I think they just didn’t want to give her the ability to always win. Which is also jacked up. Because she’s still gonna win lol…
I think you're right when you say they are trying to control her wins.
Precisely why they want to focus on "artistry" wink wink.
I'm undecided. I remember seeing wayyyy too many gymnasts trying doubles ( 2 1/2, really ) off vault - front and back......and doing them horribly and unsafely. Gymnasts landing in a ball and bouncing off the mat. Gymnasts landing on their knees with their face in the ground doing the back tuck version. Gymnasts holding their front tuck as long as possible and being thrown foward onto their faces by their out of control momentum. The temptation of the reward was just too great because the start value almost negated the deduction for a fall. There might need to be a larger deduction for a fall........or a whole NEW and larger deduction for performing a vault unsafely. ( this isn't JUST vault, but its the easiest example.)
I 100% agree. THAT IS HOW YOU PUSH A SPORT. They are working against themselves and damaging the sport's progression due to their terrible decision making and fear of letting Simone shine. And it's very saddening to know that she will most likely retire without being able to perform that amazing skill and be rewarded for it. Such a waste.
The entire system penalizes Simone for her abilities. They don't give her as many points as she deserves for the superhuman feats she's capable of. They should reward athletes for their hard work and dedication, not undercut them. Besides, wouldn't giving a skill a lower rating make gymnasts more likely to attempt something considered dangerous? If it was worth the points it deserves, they might realize how difficult the skills actually are.🤦♀️
omg im dying seeing this poor girl being used as an example for everything that could be done wrong at 6:06
The FIG’s explanation about the Biles dismount defies their own logic. Safety is assessed separately from difficulty. If a skill is inherently unsafe, then BAN IT. There are plenty of banned skills. They could have added to the list. Otherwise, the difference in Difficulty levels between a double full and a double double should be consistent with similar upgrades in the COP.
It’s the literal biggest cop out in all of gymnastics tbh. I think they’re trying to control her BB wins because could you imagine the connection value they would have to award a J level skill like how she performs it. Simone would never lose another BB final again lmao which she’s won a medal in every single BB competition since her senior debut, so idk why they’re backtracking now
There's no way the Erceg and layout 1/1 should be lower than a H, and the Biles I should be a J for sure. The rest of the skills are super impressive and rare too!
Two things: the full-in double pike should be more than its tucked counterpart, and the Biles should be at least an I (imo)
Jesus that full in double pike looks like it could blow a knee out every time. I'm glad it's not popular at all.
Schaefer, Teza 2 and the Biles dismount all need to be rated higher
Biles dismount deserves at least an I rating
The double pike should be an H and the Biles should be an I.
Should be a J for an entire extra twist tbh
I wish simone would do a double lay off beam as an EFF YOU to FIG
I like how many of the others doing the full in tuck cowboy it, while Simone keeps her legs (mostly, VERY FAR from a cowboy, at least) together for the 2/2.
Shannon Miller was such a graceful athlete that her power got overlooked often, but it really showed on her beam routines.
I bet Chellsie Memmel could pull off an Erceg mount with enough practice. Her Arabians on beam are so solid.
2:44 Seda has the best layout full. She was always so quick and confident
Fantastic video and explanations! Can you please make this video for events other than beam? Im a beginner to gynamastics rules, and I'd love to learn more about these skills
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Shannon Miller used to be the most decorated gymnast and Simone Biles just completely overshadowed her.
Wouldn’t it make more sense to increase the difficulty of Simone’s beam dismount, but increase the severity of the deductions? That would prevent people from trying it can’t do it really well consistently. High difficulty score only encourages unprepared gymnasts to try it if they can still score really high with a lot of mistakes.
The quiet part the FIG isn’t saying out loud is they Simone CAN perform this dismount well with minimal deduction. Idk if you’ve noticed, but her full-ins look like they have a little too much juice lately, and I think it’s because she’s training the Biles I for the BB final. She’s legit the only girl that can stick a double double on or off floor it’s madness
Would you do a video that breaks down the rating scale?
The Arabian mount is so good
5:29 was crazy!
The Erceg mount is amazing. I think all of the skills shown should be increased by 0.1 . Also would be grately appreciate it if you could do the same video for MAG.
Wow the Patterson is crazy to land blindly
1:17 The Layout full MT, is that the 'Garrison'(-Steves)? She did that during the 1988 Olympics, and still impressed me 🙂
No, the Garrison is in a tucked position and carries an F-rating
You forgot the double front dismount, also a G
It's valued at F
Is the Biles worth a J rating ??
It’s only an H which is criminal
@@raquanwilliams5572 Yeah, I know it's an H witch is not fair, but my question was : what is the real difficulty for this skill ??
I wish the balance beam actually showcased more elements of balance and control. It’s like heavy tumbling and standing flips. It’s not a floor routine
Can you guys send the link of the new CoP 2025-28? I didn't found it online
www.gymnastics.sport/publicdir/rules/files/en_1.1%20-%20WAG%20COP%202025-2028.pdf
@@gymnasticsmasterclass thank you
Layout full mount seems more difficult than an Arabian mount…
The new COP is already out?
Yes, since April
Any of these dismounts could break someone’s neck
I read the code:
Changes in the code of points, the most importants things:
*VT*
Vaults still the same SV.
Gr 5 vaults now have an incomplete turn deduction.
0.2 bonus in the score for vaults in different directions.
*UB*
The same CV (sadly).
Now tckachev with or without turn with the same root and the jaeger in any position with or without turn can be performed once.
Example:
Hindorff (credited)
Black (not credited)
Li ya (credited)
Layout jaeger(not credited)
The jaeger and tckachev elements with half turn have now the same value as the counterpart without turn: example Tweedle is D, Li ya is D, Black is F.
Endos in mixed grip are upgraded to D (with ½ turn also D) and with full turn is E.
Nemour is downgraded to G.
Double layout 1/1 DMT upgrade to F
*BB*
Same CV
Stag Jump added to the COP (A value) is the same element as the Sissone
Ring Sissone added to the COP (B value) is the same element as the Stag Ring Jump
0.2 artistic deductions in poor body posture and lack of fluency
*FX*
DMT bonus only if you performed more than 2 acro lines
C+D/E indirect is now 0.2 CV
Ex: front full to double pike 0.2 CV
1 ½ twist to 2 ½ twist 0.2 CV
B/C+D direct is now 0.2 CV
Example
2 ½ twist to front layout 0.2 CV
Front full to front double twist CV
Arabians saltos with ½ turn are bwd elements and now are the same elements as full in tuck/pike
Split ring full downgraded to C
0.2 artistic deductions in body posture, poor expressive engagement and connectivity with the music
0.3 artistic deductions in poor expressive engagement and connectivity with the music.
Sadly, no downgrade for wolf turns yet.
What do you mean when you say “gr 5 vaults now have an incomplete turn deduction”? What is a gr 5 vault?
@@thecreativegeek7886 Yurchenko half turn, for example the Cheng vault, since the 2017 cop, don't have any deduction for incomplete turn, the incomplete turn is complete the half turn block in the vaulting table.
Love the Biles!
If bending your knees incurs a .1 deduction, but the pike is worth the same as the tuck, couldn't any judge just call the pike a tuck and not deduct points?
For a proper tucked shape, knees have to be bend to 90° or less. So a pike with (slightly) bend legs would also result in deductions if treated as a tuck.
Similar for layout vs. pike: The hip has to be completely open (max bend of 10/30°, depending on the element) to receive credit as a layout. Otherwise it will count as piked but with deductions for insufficient piking. Although doing it "wrong" (i.e. not piking enough) actually makes it harder.
Do you guys think Simone can still pull off the double double at all? She said in an interview before nationals that she can perform 4 out of the 5 skills that are named after her. That means it's either the Biles I on vault or the double double on beam. I'm inclined to believe she actually can do the double double, she just chooses not to because the full in is much more comfortable for her and she can do it with less deductions maybe. Although she did post herself training the Biles I on instagram a couple months ago so perhaps I'm wrong.
Pretty sure she can do it. We’ve seen her do that more recently than the Biles 1 vault. And she’s only ever successfully landed the Biles 1 vault twice in competition. People forget about how difficult the Biles 1 vault is because we’re so blown away by the Biles 2. But nobody else in the world has ever even attempted a Biles 1. A lot of people describe it as Cheng with an extra half-turn, but that doesn’t give you a full sense of the difficulty of the skill, since a Cheng is valued at a 5.6. The Biles 1 is more accurately described as a Yeo vault with a roundoff half-turn before flight. The Yeo is worth a 5.8 and already considered to be more difficult than a Cheng. The Biles 1 is significantly more difficult than the Yeo since it adds the complicated gymnastics before the preflight and requires even more power. While technically not nearly as dangerous as a Produnova, I’d argue that the Biles 1 is more difficult to learn than the Produnova.
@@captainbryce1 I think the biggest issue with the Biles I is the blind landing. You can't spot the mat the same way you can do with the Cheng. Women like Rebecca Andrade definitely have the strength and speed to add the extra half turn to their Cheng, it's just not worth it since it's so much more deduction prone and potentially dangerous.
@@captainbryce1 It is an extremely technical vault. You have to be extremely powerful but also extremely precise with every step or you'll fall.
IIRC it was the Biles I that she couldn't do for a while, though she started training it again. I think that one is definitely the hardest for her to pull off, she only did it a few times after all. I think we'd see her do he double double if it was valued accordingly.
@@tiio2208 I’m pretty sure the FIG would ban that vault as soon as any gymnast submitted it. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t even think that vault has ever been attempted in men’s gymnastics! Donnell Whittenburg and Asher Hong both do a half-in, half-out vault from a Tsukahara entry, and that’s already considered to be the most difficult and dangerous vault in the world right now. I don’t care if you go from a Yurchenko entry or not, adding an extra twist to that would be insane, and they’re certainly not going to allow a woman to compete that before a male gymnast performs it successfully and proves that it can actually be done safely. The potential for catastrophic injury is just too high.
Rebeca so most Powerfull!!!
Oh they released the new cop 😲
Update: I was happy before read that, FX changes are shit
What happened to FX ?
@@ae2948 I write a comment in this video with all changes
The limited dmt bonus? Ugh
@@thecreativegeek7886the bar changes seem worse imo. A correctly done half turn skill should not have the same rating as the version without since it's much harder when the half turn isnt cheated. Floor changes do at least give some gymnasts the chance to build more difficulty
The Biles is The Best
A G skill but deducted by .5? Might as well just do a no-deduction B skill, or C. Hehe
The Biles H,of course!
They are responsible for the safety of athletes and a double salto carries the risk of landing on the neck. Every single one of these dismounts had a double salto if I recall correctly. Seems ridiculous to make that statement from the governing committee.
And I don’t know the reason why the Layout Full Mount and the Layout Full on beam are both rated G. Isn’t the mount version supposed to have a higher rating?
Great point! FIG things 😅
Nobody's doing the layout full like Kui.
so who is going to explain to the FIG how sports work
if it’s more difficult, why not give it more difficulty? 😜
None of them, cause I ain't fidna!
RIP Women’s Artistic Gymnastics.
So the Biles is too high of a risk skill to upgrade because a gymnast 🤸♀️ might risk serious injury? However, the other skills frequently performed by gymnasts are not high risk skills too? SMH. Ridiculous 😂
All the gymnasts do the same stuff in competition. Completely boring.
Craziness the double double off the beam no one can do it Simone is the only one that do does it what does she care if it’s a J or an age I mean the girls nowadays think there’s very rare that they even do a full twisting off that off the beam dismount like you said in the 90s everyone did it and not everyone but most all the girls did it but I maybe it’s because of the steroids maybe because thesteroids in the food I mean they were eating the girls are all little bit bigger and they just can’t twist as fast so you have to be a tiny girl like Simone is tiny with all that power so she can twist better and quicker than anyone else
What steroids? Gymnasts in the 90s were severely underfed in many cases.
FIG should be replaced...
If Biles was white, it would be a Z, just saying the obvious.
Don’t like this kind of gymnastics,it’s anything but gymnastics ; gymnastics means elegance,ballet combined with music
Don’t like acrobatic that is specific to circuses
Don't watch then? No one is forcing you. If you want to see ballet, watch ballet videos