You're quite new to the running shoe review game, but you're already better than most of the people who have been doing this for years and have over 100,000 subscribers. Keep it up!
This is exactly right. So many reviewers act like there’s an objectively correct shoe that works for everyone. There’s just no way that elite runners who weight 130 pounds are going to need what I need as a big boy (6’2”/270ish). Right now, the Brooks Hyperion Elite 2 is working incredibly well for me while getting bad reviews from faster and smaller reviewers. To me, that makes perfect sense because the firmer foam and plate setup seems to hit a sweet spot for someone my size and goal pace. Find what works for you and then chase shoes with those qualities.
Can you elaborate on what you like about the hyperion? I'm 6'2 230 and gave up on brooks because they were too stiff for me. But this was years ago and I haven't given them a chance since.
Bro you just earned a new subscriber. I'm scouring youtube for an in-depth explanation on buying a race shoe and this just hits every aspect that I'm considering. Could not have said better! Keep on doing what you're doing!
There was a great discussion about this very topic in Kofuzi’s channel in response to his review of Salomon’s S/Lab Spectur which is designed for 3.5 hour or slower marathoners. He said the shoe was great but couldn’t recommend it for several reasons. He explained his dislike for pace-based shoes. The community, myself included, seemed mostly happy that somebody was making with their abilities in mind. The timing of your video is perfect.
Beyond Kofuzi’s sort of indignation, I agreed with his sentiment around effort. Someone doing 3:45 is working just as hard as someone doing 2:45 if it’s at their respective race effort. I don’t have an answer if these “rest of us” shoes actually fit the need better or anything, but just my two cents.
I felt it was completely off base and elitist..of course it does depend on if you buy your own shoes or if you get them free..much better to get a shoe that will work for YOU and not for the manufacturers..
I would love Yowana to review the S/Lab Spectur, and his thoughts on the topic brought by Kofuzi. I get the point that Kofuzi made, that people may feel patronizing if someone (or in the S/Lab Spectur case, a company) says that there is an option for you if you are slower… but that is all in the framing of the message. As Yowana just perfectly explained through this video and at the end, when choosing our shoes we should not look at it from the lenses of equality, but of equity!
I really appreciated this chat. I’ve spent a long time trying to become a forefoot striker and have realized that my 6’2”, fairly healthy 230lb self is just a heel striker. Your comments on that made perfect sense. Time for me to read some of those books! It’s obvious that we get the benefit of your story on this fantastic sport. Newer subscriber and happy to be here! Thanks.
I don't know if you tried this method already, and if you still want to try moving your strike point, but if you are then give this a go. Shorten your forward stroke on arm swing by about 1.5 inches, and you'll gain about 10 spm on cadence, which will move your strike point forward. In other words, try shortening your punch. A quick experiment would be to run funny and over stride as much as you can, and you'll notice your arms swinging massively forward. It's basically a reverse of that.
@@bkmk I appreciate the comment and have, in the past, done this exact thing. When I move from half/full marathon to li get trail ultras, mid to forefoot striking began causing plantar and Achilles issues. I began switching to a heel/mid strike (depending on terrain more than anything) and have transitioned to more heel than anything. At this point, I’m good with it but couldn’t explain (even to myself) why. This video helped settle it in my head.
@@chad.haggerty Yeah I picked up Altras in June of last year. Ran ~ 2 months in them while traveling on 4-6 mile runs 3 days a week. First time I've ever had my achilles tighten up on me. Coming up a hill on Mile 5 of my run I thought I had pulled it. Luckily I didn't, but it made me weary about going too hard into 0mm drop shoes. I still like my shoes, but I think it made me forefoot strike just a little too much.
Please continue discussing how well a shoe would be for a heavier runner. I'm heavier at 220 lbs and prioritize lifting over running so it's an important criteria for me. I'm on a weight cut right now but don't ever plan on being less than 200 lbs.
I'm in the same situation. I want to keep my bench at 2 plates-ish and I don't see myself ever dropping below 200 (I'm 6"0). These vids are super useful because I absolutely love running.
You're gradually becoming my favourite running shoe reviewer. It's refreshing to see a reviewer who understands that there are factors that must be considered beyond the hype of simply buying a super shoe.
100% agree. I'm 130 lbs. soaking wet. When you add in a force multiplier like running, of course I'm going to experience the shoe differently than someone who is 160-180 lbs. Then, with variations of biomechanics, it makes a lot of sense that different shoes might be best for different individuals. I also wear a 10.5 but I think I might be more sensitive to shoe weight than you are because I'm probably not as strong and a heavier shoe can change my mechanics. It's great we have so many choices.
@@markm3747 My current rotation is the Hyperion Max, Noosa Tri 14, Rebel v3, and Deviate Nitro 2. The first three I got on deep discount around Black Friday and the Deviate Nitro 2 was my do-it-all shoe for the second half of 2023 but it refuses to die (about 575 miles so far).
Thank you for bringing up these points. I'm actually quite relieved that a running influencer is finally bringing these points up. I've had all these questions up in my head but no one seems to be pointing them out on RUclips where the majority of my running knowledge comes from.
I'm 210 pounds, and I agree 100% about the difference in pace for a half and full marathon. In my experience, the Saucony Endorphin Elite worked great for my pacing and gave me a good time for my full marathon. That shoe has the perfect weight and stability underfoot to go the distance.
I totally agree! Im a healthy guy, 5'7 and 177lbs. As some one who engages in lifting weights and running for my jobs physical fitness test ill never be a small dude. I had the same debate with my self for the Vaporfly 3 and the Adios Pro 3. Wend Adios Pro 3 for the stability and comfort over time.
One thing to remember is that your running mechanics can change depending on the shoe you wear. I just watched Rory Linkletter’s video on the Seville Marathon, and he did some testing with Puma. He saw that his stride length increase when using Puma’s Fast-R 2 to the point where he would take 500 fewer steps over the course of a full marathon. Super interesting.
Its easy to measure with a garmin watch. The higher the stack, the longer my strides. Whenever I try a low stack shoe, I tend to go for faster cadence instead. The reason is that the higher the stack, the more shock absorption i get so the easier it is to "jump" far and high without getting hurt.
Thanks for this excellent analysis of the running shoe technology and personal criteria(mechanics, weight, pace/time). This is the first video like this that I have seen and they are important considerations!
I've been lunged at, charged and chased by dogs while running. I now carry a pepper spray and stone when running outside. I love dogs, but I can't stand many of the owners. They act with such entitlement: Yes, you say your dog is friendly. But I'm not interested in finding out if today is the day your dog decides to be triggered. 🤨
I think about that all the time, I often run at a park where dog owners gather and some of them (dogs and peoplealike) are not too polite. I obviously don't want to hurt any dog at all, but I don't want to get bitten either. I've been chased like three times and bitten once so far, but I'm afraid I'm going to lose my temper soon, @@marcosperez3151. It's a shitty situation, that's for sure.
@@marcosperez3151 Did I say I "attack" dogs? No, I practice self-defense. There are countless dog attack stories on news that result in injury and even death (children/elderly are most vulnerable). I don't want to be next. If I get "chased by dogs everyday on my runs", I would first change the route or timing of my runs to minimize the encounters. I would only resort of physical defense if I can't leave the dog safely. Unless you are Usain Bolt, you're not going to outrun many dogs... good luck
best shoe review I’ve seen in a long time .. specifically mentioning running form, runner weight, and pace / time on feet. Not just toe box and heel collar .. gusseted tongue. The dog chase was pretty funny & authentic 😄🤘🏻
Really enjoying the channel sir. I really appreciate the detail and craftmanship you put into your content, which is so well rounded as you cover so many types of shoes that are not only the popular shoes. Really appreciate the insightful content
This is an excellent analysis on the Alphafly 3's (which I own). They are definitely suited for forefoot strikers rather than heel strikers, I've been getting immense pain in them versus the previous Alphafly 2's which target a broader running audience with the extended foam in the heel.
I enjoyed this. I just ran my first half at 1:48. I’m a 210 lb bodybuilder motocross combo athlete lol. Good for my size I guess. I wanted to add that I seem to really blow out shoes fast. I’m in brooks now and love them but I don’t have an allegiance to them. You gave me a lot to think about and learn about. Also, in moto, after a 10,000 dollar bike, if you want the pro level equipment you’ll need another 9-12,000 for suspension alone. Runners: be grateful.
This is one of the best videos I’ve seen explaining shoe difference on size and speed etc. Just ran my first marathon in 4 hours with the Deviate Nitro 2. Great shoe for the half or so but my ankles were killing my from 20ish on. Probably a lack of training but this video explained well why some shoes are better for others. Love it!
Thanks so much for this video. What really made sense to me is how what shoe is going work for someone is going to depend a lot on running mechanics and then also factors like weight. I am a bit addicted to running shoe videos on YT right now. It will pass but it is my current obsession. Why your video was so much better was the fact that you have an open mind and realize what is best for you might not be best for me. Then you explained why. There are real world consequences. I have a pair of NB SC Elite 4s on hold. I was going to cancel and switch to a pair of Nike Alphaflys. I ran a bit in both in the store and the NB Elites did feel better to me. But then watching the videos and was "talked" into instead going with the Nike AF. But I am a heel striker and everything I have tried has not changed that fact. I am also now pretty old and come to terms it is not changing. I can clearly see, because of your video, why the NB Elite is going to be a better option.
Great video! I’m 165-170 lb heel striker. Running Myrtle Beach Marathon next week. I actually had both of these shoes and I ended up sending the Alphafly back. I didn’t think I could make it 3-4 hours in it. SC Elite V4 felt much better!
Definitely one of the best shoe review videos on RUclips. Thank you for making this abundantly clear for super shoe marathoners who will run over 3 hours for the marathon. Majority of running shoe reviewers seem to run their marathons between 2:30-3:15 so while their points might be valid, it doesn't really apply to the majority of marathoners.
Brilliant video for us older slower but just as committed runners. I just ordered the AF3 for my upcoming half marathon which I’m aiming to complete in 2 hours. I’m not even sure if I’m a heel striker or midfoot but what the hell! Shall subscribe now and watch for insights. Thank you!
@Yowana, this is a great video that I have shared. Shoe selection is crazy and can get really expensive as you move through trying different brands, foams, geometries, etc. This is a great foundation for people to use thinking through their specific gait and purpose. Thanks for bringing up other brands as well!!
I run frequently with my two dogs, always on leash. It’s amazing how many loose dogs there are and they approach aggressively barking like that dog did. My dogs get protective immediately when that happens and I try to choose routes where there are lower chances of encountering other dogs. When I see other people I always go wide of them to make them feel comfortable. I’m 5’8” and 195 lbs. Having run 3 HM and 1 Marathon, still trying to find the perfect shoe for 5 hours on the course as a heel striker. Max cushion are nice but heavy and ran marathon in SuperBlast but would like to try carbon plate someday.
if you've raced in the adios pro 3 and find it comfortable i would go with that! a good way to test is to use it for your longest training runs and see how it feels toward the end
I’m not too experienced with road shoes due to me being a track runner but if you are looking for carbon plates I would either look at the ASICS metaspeed line or the puma deviate nitro line. I have teammates who love the meta speed line and I’ve heard amazing things about it as a carbon shoe. Lastly the Saucony endorphin pro line would also be a good option. Many of my teammates really like their endorphin pros.
At 200-180 pounds I am still too heavy for Nike alphaflies. It always gave me backaches, ankle pain and glute cramps, but 40 seconds to a minute faster per mile 😂. It’s like a pledge with a devil 😈
thanks riley! btw, let me know if you have thoughts on what stability shoes i should test this year. i've been thinking about the vongo and maybe the guide 17 - let me know if there are others you're interested in
I like your shoe reviews, so many reviewers run a lot faster than those who are watching - where their marathon pace is like my fast interval pace. So this video is very useful. Dogs are my biggest fear when running. I was running in the dark past a farm in Ireland (visiting for work) and heard this snarling dog I couldn't see as I ran down the lane. I think I got a PR on that segment 🙂 I didn't run that route again 😖
Very good video. You had me scared over that dog and then the car pulls up on you, even my dog started to growl hearing that dog bark at you. 😂 I know my 14 mile long run this weekend will be in the 3 hour range so I’m slower and heavier than most running RUclipsrs. So I need a shoe that will be comfy for a 5+ hour marathon. I like you talking about heavier runners as I have 40lbs on you. Thought about doing youtube videos for heavier slower runners like myself as most you tube videos are doing 6/7/8 min mile paces. That all said have you thought about adding weight or pace to the shoe suggestion algorithm?
And what’s that discount code on the TYR? They give 10% for putting in an email so be good if we could stack your discount plus thier email sign up one.
Enjoyed the video and discussion..one thing I would add is age..at 69 my feet/knees/hips and back are not the same as people 40 or younger..though I routinely beat 70% of them in races,I have different wants/needs out of my shoes..at 3:40 pace I am out there longer so comfortable,cooler,as well as cushioning that doesn't go flat are top of the list..as a forefoot striker with high arches a vaporfly is pretty much useless and the alphafly is the only nike that works for me.. the last couple of years shoes are finally catching up with the reality of where most runners are at..pretty sure the vast majority of runners at races I go to aren't following you-tubers..it's why brooks and others sell so many bricks like the 880 that is beating up your feet..it's refreshing to see that you realize that most runners are 3-5mi/day and 5k runners..great job and hopefully you can stay grounded and don't get caught up in the whole manufacturers funded trips and race trips thing and can stick to what you are doing..🎉🎉
age is a great addition - thanks for adding that. also i really appreciate the thoughtful comment. the plan is to keep going and always serve the runner 💪🏽
First, i'm really happy that you like the puma deviate nitro 2 since i love that shoe 😁 I'm also really happy that you bring up these subjects because i think that often they are neglected in shoes reviews or running talks. If i may, also regarding your cielo x1 video: i'm a 115 pounds heel striker who loves the sc elite v3; between sc elite v4 and cielo x1, which do you think i should consider for a 3h30m marathon? Thanks and keep up the good work 🤩
Great video. I agree mostly. As you said there are a bunch of different factors at play and boiling it down to just pace or foot strike misses the weight and mechanics factors. I personally think pace and weight are probably the most important. I don't really get why people are upset when a shoe company markets their shoes for a particular pace, they're trying to just be helpful in describing who they had in mind when designing the shoe. Of course we can be upset at them pricing a shoe without all the tech of a super shoe in the super shoe price range... Haha
I know, I don't get that either. I mean, there are literally hundreds of models out there, why can't some be niched, or super expensive, or super cheap, or super tall, or super minimalistic, or whatever We all like shoe nerdery or else we wouldn't be here watching this, but sometimes I feel like this whole running shoe movement has incorporated some religious undertones in the past few years, and some people may get offended easily when they find out that a given or model has not been designed and manufactured precisely according to their specifications, whether they are technical or economic, or whatever.
Genuine question: Are people really that triggered about mentioning weight? If so, how, why, and to what extent? Yowana seemed to go out of his way to not offend any one when approaching the topic. Sure, we don't need to mock overweight people, I'm one myself (and short too), but do we need to be hyper sensitive?
If you've spent weeks eating nothing but iceburg lettuce and dry cheerios in an effort to lose fat when you are already 8% body fat and all you can be is disgusted with how 'overweight' you are...then yes, mentioning that the best runners tend to be the lightest is all it takes to trigger a relapse. Thank you, Yowana, for recognizing that.
I’ve read most of the training books that you mentioned and they’re great… 26 Marathons isn’t a training book but it has some surprisingly useful training info and is entertaining, inspiring, and a quick read/listen
Excellent! Thank you. My Over 55 Marathon PB (2:58) and Half were both in Newton Distance Elites - 2.0 mm drop and minimal cushioning, no plate. As a “Born to Run” training camp alumnus, I can barely run at all in an AlphaFly.
Spot on. At 88kg Im a heavy runner. Ran several halfs in Vaporfly snd they felt great. Used them in Marathon and they actually killed my feet on the final kilometers. Will pick a less aggressive carbon shoe for my next full marathon.
All good points and great that you addressed this. I am a senior runner, heel striker as well, and so my marathon time is over 4:30 (as is my BQ time) and I just ran a marathon this weekend in the NB SC Elite v.4. They were perfect for me. Lightweight, cushioned and most definitely improved my pace. Never once thought about my feet. I actually prefer carbon-plated (NB) shoes to run races and long runs in. I've been running long enough to know that the Alphafly, although super popular, is just not a shoe that would work for me. BTW, Emily Sisson helped NB with the design of the SC Elite and wore the next version of the SC Pacer at the Olympic Trials. I can't imaging wearing a 5k-10k race shoe in a marathon, but then I don't run 2 hour and change marathons.
Great video! Nice to see some fellow heavier runners commenting… 6’1 and 210 lbs here. Would love to hear your thoughts on heel drop. Any shoe I have tried that is less than 8mm drop ups my effort level and slows my pace. I know a lower drop is supposed to be easier on the knees and hips and puts more work on your calves.
I'm a bodybuilder hybrid training 6'3 215 mostly muscle but the weight still matters alot when running longer distances and picking shoes so no biggie man good vid
I have a large collection of running books. My favorite three books are: The Van Aaken Method and the Self-Coached Runner I and Self Coached Runner II. Ernst Van Aaken and Allan Lawrence.
I am a midfoot striker most of the time but my current racing shoe is metaspeed sky+ that has negative drop feel and it slows me down if I run in my usual form. Things changed when I land on forefoot where most of the foam stack is there, and surprisingly it did not hurt my shin. The downsight of this different is that I have to manually change my running style every time I put on the Sky+ in the beginning before I get used to it after 15 mins. I will definitely get a super shoe that feel natural to me once I retire my current Sky+, Endorphin pro 4 seems a good option for slow runner
Thank you so much for making this video! I’ve been saying this to myself for a very long time. I very frustratedly watch shoe reviewers never bring up this topic and they do not take into account that each person has their individual needs. Then they’ll flat out bash a shoe just cause it wasn’t their fit. Again, great discussion!!!
I watched this whole video, then went back to see that attempted dog attack. Initially I thought this was gonna turn into a Muay Thai street fight, but so happy you release your demons on the road. That's serious control, well handled! Great video btw! Looking at Puma Deviate Nitro 3 for myself.
First video of yours I’ve watched and you make some excellent points. As a fairly casual but competitive runner (mostly 5-10k races) with plans on eventually committing to a half and a full marathon in the next few years I can relate with shoes being very personal. I’m 6ft 175-180lbs and in good shape, I’m also a heel/back mid-foot striker. I’ve recently been trying out a lot of shoes particularly plated options. I currently run in the Hoka Mach 5, and just got the Mizuno wave rebellion flash 2 to try out. I was super skeptical at first, but this is hands down one of the best shoes I’ve tried for speedwork, intervals and I’d assume would do very well at 10k to half marathon distances. I thought that due to the lack of foam under the heel that there no way they would work but it actually helps me strike more on the mid foot which gives a very satisfying spring to my step. I almost beat my 5k PR (24:30) at around 75-80% effort without realizing. The glass fiber plate makes a big difference but it doesn’t feel as rigid and unforgiving as the magic speed or some other plated shoes I’ve tried. I’d highly recommend the mizuno wave rebellion flash 2 to all my heel strikers out there lol
The wave rebellion flash 2 is a fun shoe! I'm also a heel striker and enjoyed it - I'm looking forward to getting some more miles in it after my next race
I’m a taller runner who specializes on the track(6’5 175 pounds) in the mile but can go down to the 800 if needed. I found that in terms of spikes even though the Nike air zoom victory was the more 800/mile centered spikes I found that the dragonflies work better for me in every way. I think I sink too much into the air pockets because I tend to stomp when I run. I also know people who love the victories and everything to do with them. Different shoes work for different people and it’s important to find what works best for you and now do what others say is best.
Finally someone who explains it completely - respect, Yowana! Heel striker vs midfoot striker vs frontfoot striker and light (60-70 kg) vs heavy (over 80 kg) runner means a huge difference. Stack height of 40mm does not have the same impact for a 60 kg heavy runner as for the 90 kg runner. A heavy runner needs a much firmer foam and more stack to get the same effect. All these reviewers on RUclips don't have a clue, it's all bullshit, they are all thin and around 70kg. Their opinions make no sense for heavy runners. Yowana seems to be the only one who ads details about weight and strike. There is also one little detail about these two models, SC Elite 4 and Alphafly 4: SC Elite 4 is the only supershoe that is available in width 2E (wide).
Foot size is another factor in shoe selection. I think the Alpha Fly might be too heavy for E K as compared to some other super shoes if he had size 13 shoes like me.
If the lighter runners who these shoes are designed for need to put X amount of force through the shoe to 'activate' the foams, and they do that by going fast, surely us slower and heavier runners will activate the foams at slower paces simply because we weigh more and are therefore putting the same forces through the shoes just at a slower pace?
I would go further and put up a conparison of the whole spectrum. This would be shoes that each had a full review. I can't always keep straight the drop and weight of the TYR vs. NB for example. This idea isn't limited to the top marathon racers. There could be the near-max trainers. Triumph vs. 1080 vs. Clifton, etc.
What I think is missed about the sc elite v4 is how flexible the carbon plate is. I think that the flexible plate plus a gradual rocker plus a stable heel plus a relatively soft foam makes it feel like an ideal but very costly daily trainer and long run shoe. For example, the adios pro 3 has way stiffer carbon, a firmer foam, and a less gradual rocker. That shoe feels faster to me, but harder on my calf muscles for long efforts.
Let’s not forget that all people have different running mechanics. Some people don’t see much, if any benefit from supershoes, well, some people or what they call superresponders. It all depends on your biomechanics. Clayton Young is a great example of a superresponder, although the new Asics shoe is testing crazy well in the lab as well.
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Great video! I appreciate your approach and thoughts on this topic. I will keep all of this in mind as I work towards finding my marathon shoe. Thank you for making this video! Very insightful!
"Heavier Runner" should really not be about weight alone but about weight-to-shoe-size. Both variables determine your compression dynamics versus any given midsole.
I've been thinking about exactly these topics lately. At my age, 67, I think that 2-2.5 hours of race effort is plenty, so I'm looking at half marathon as maybe the longest race I want to do.
Thanks for this. It is a much needed point of view when discussing, and even more importantly, recommending, running/racing shoes. So many YT reviewers have bagged the NB SC Elite for being heavy and slow, what annoys me is that these are often very lithe guys that run 3:30/km pace marathons. Of course they love the Alphafly. But is it the right shoe for me? No, it's way too much shoe for me, same with the Adidas Pro 3. The real question is should any of us mortals be running in a carbon plated shoe. I absolutely love the Puma Deviate Nitro 2. But YT has made me feel like that isn't an option to run a marathon. We're slowly being brainwashed by these guys. And you my friend are changing the rhetoric. Thank you.
At 6'6" and 210lbs I def seek out the shoes that most people complain are too firm/stiff. I'm def liking the Boston 12 right now, just wishing it was a little lighter. I'm training for a 90 min 13.1 not the marathon.
have you tried the saucony endorphin shift 3 yet? it definitely fits in the category of people saying it's too firm hahaha but i loved mine - great because it's a lot of cushion but not super squishy. got 350+ miles out of them and used for everything from recovery runs to faster workout
If I was going to buy new racing shoes today, it would probably be the New Balance Elite v4. Not just because it is beautiful, but it might work better for my low length stride ( but high cadence) and overpronation issues. Other shoes are either super narrow in the middle foot ,unstable, or don't have enough rubber coverage in the heel area. I bet that this Elite v4 is more stable them my Magic Speed 3 ... it is hard to keep the high speed when we lose energy overpronating a lot with every step. Anyways, the Magic Speed 3 is awesome for me up to 10km and perfect for 5km for me.
Reviewers tend to forget to include that kind of info, especially their pace. So for instance, one reviewer said that Boston 12 works great for easy miles but forgot to mention that his easy miles are 4min/km which is my 5km pace. At my easy pace I don't find Boston 12 comfortbale at all. They come alive at that kind of pace 4:30min/km and faster. It would be nice if reviewers would include that kind of info as different kind of runners are watching these videos.
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Very good points that are often overlooked in other shoe reviews channels. So if I'm a 125 lbs midfoot striker that plan a 3:45-4:00 marathon which shoe would you recommend?
Im looking forward to see what the masses think about the puma 3 when it comes out soon. I want a pair of the deviate 2 but you cant find them on sale hardly ever now, might have waited too long
You're quite new to the running shoe review game, but you're already better than most of the people who have been doing this for years and have over 100,000 subscribers. Keep it up!
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Agree 100%!
This is exactly right. So many reviewers act like there’s an objectively correct shoe that works for everyone. There’s just no way that elite runners who weight 130 pounds are going to need what I need as a big boy (6’2”/270ish). Right now, the Brooks Hyperion Elite 2 is working incredibly well for me while getting bad reviews from faster and smaller reviewers. To me, that makes perfect sense because the firmer foam and plate setup seems to hit a sweet spot for someone my size and goal pace. Find what works for you and then chase shoes with those qualities.
Wow you're big are you well endowed too my sister is asking but she's shy.
Fellow heavy runner here (6’4”/250) and you’re spot on. Everyone will be different and want different things.
Can you elaborate on what you like about the hyperion? I'm 6'2 230 and gave up on brooks because they were too stiff for me. But this was years ago and I haven't given them a chance since.
@@TheBodyFirmATL, their shoes are still extremely stiff and heavy feeling.
@@CornFed_3 Thanks for confirming that, I refuse to do stiff shoes with an arthritic knee and modern advances in foam.
Too many people stay away from this topic, but it’s what we need to discuss. Thank you
Bro you just earned a new subscriber. I'm scouring youtube for an in-depth explanation on buying a race shoe and this just hits every aspect that I'm considering. Could not have said better! Keep on doing what you're doing!
🙌🏽 thank you! Let me know if you have any questions as you're choosing
There was a great discussion about this very topic in Kofuzi’s channel in response to his review of Salomon’s S/Lab Spectur which is designed for 3.5 hour or slower marathoners. He said the shoe was great but couldn’t recommend it for several reasons. He explained his dislike for pace-based shoes. The community, myself included, seemed mostly happy that somebody was making with their abilities in mind. The timing of your video is perfect.
Beyond Kofuzi’s sort of indignation, I agreed with his sentiment around effort. Someone doing 3:45 is working just as hard as someone doing 2:45 if it’s at their respective race effort. I don’t have an answer if these “rest of us” shoes actually fit the need better or anything, but just my two cents.
I felt it was completely off base and elitist..of course it does depend on if you buy your own shoes or if you get them free..much better to get a shoe that will work for YOU and not for the manufacturers..
@thomasabbottjr I totally agree 👍🏾
I would love Yowana to review the S/Lab Spectur, and his thoughts on the topic brought by Kofuzi.
I get the point that Kofuzi made, that people may feel patronizing if someone (or in the S/Lab Spectur case, a company) says that there is an option for you if you are slower… but that is all in the framing of the message. As Yowana just perfectly explained through this video and at the end, when choosing our shoes we should not look at it from the lenses of equality, but of equity!
Aren't there already shoes for those running slower marathons+? Is a super shoe really needed for someone running a 5hour marathon?
I really appreciated this chat. I’ve spent a long time trying to become a forefoot striker and have realized that my 6’2”, fairly healthy 230lb self is just a heel striker. Your comments on that made perfect sense. Time for me to read some of those books!
It’s obvious that we get the benefit of your story on this fantastic sport. Newer subscriber and happy to be here! Thanks.
I don't know if you tried this method already, and if you still want to try moving your strike point, but if you are then give this a go.
Shorten your forward stroke on arm swing by about 1.5 inches, and you'll gain about 10 spm on cadence, which will move your strike point forward. In other words, try shortening your punch.
A quick experiment would be to run funny and over stride as much as you can, and you'll notice your arms swinging massively forward. It's basically a reverse of that.
@@bkmk I appreciate the comment and have, in the past, done this exact thing. When I move from half/full marathon to li get trail ultras, mid to forefoot striking began causing plantar and Achilles issues. I began switching to a heel/mid strike (depending on terrain more than anything) and have transitioned to more heel than anything. At this point, I’m good with it but couldn’t explain (even to myself) why. This video helped settle it in my head.
@@chad.haggerty Yeah I picked up Altras in June of last year. Ran ~ 2 months in them while traveling on 4-6 mile runs 3 days a week. First time I've ever had my achilles tighten up on me. Coming up a hill on Mile 5 of my run I thought I had pulled it. Luckily I didn't, but it made me weary about going too hard into 0mm drop shoes. I still like my shoes, but I think it made me forefoot strike just a little too much.
@@Jaigarful that sounds familiar. Hope it’s feeling better, @jaigarful!
Please continue discussing how well a shoe would be for a heavier runner. I'm heavier at 220 lbs and prioritize lifting over running so it's an important criteria for me. I'm on a weight cut right now but don't ever plan on being less than 200 lbs.
I'm in the same situation. I want to keep my bench at 2 plates-ish and I don't see myself ever dropping below 200 (I'm 6"0). These vids are super useful because I absolutely love running.
Your channel has been an absolute gem of a discovery. You're really eloquent and I love the in-depth videos.
Thanks for everything!
You're gradually becoming my favourite running shoe reviewer. It's refreshing to see a reviewer who understands that there are factors that must be considered beyond the hype of simply buying a super shoe.
You didn't know there was other things to consider ?
100% agree. I'm 130 lbs. soaking wet. When you add in a force multiplier like running, of course I'm going to experience the shoe differently than someone who is 160-180 lbs. Then, with variations of biomechanics, it makes a lot of sense that different shoes might be best for different individuals. I also wear a 10.5 but I think I might be more sensitive to shoe weight than you are because I'm probably not as strong and a heavier shoe can change my mechanics. It's great we have so many choices.
@kuriosites, what shoe/s do you run in?
he got me hooked on the deviate nitro 2 😂@@markm3747
@@markm3747 My current rotation is the Hyperion Max, Noosa Tri 14, Rebel v3, and Deviate Nitro 2. The first three I got on deep discount around Black Friday and the Deviate Nitro 2 was my do-it-all shoe for the second half of 2023 but it refuses to die (about 575 miles so far).
Thank you for bringing up these points. I'm actually quite relieved that a running influencer is finally bringing these points up. I've had all these questions up in my head but no one seems to be pointing them out on RUclips where the majority of my running knowledge comes from.
I mid-foot strike at both slow and fast paces so there are exceptions to all of this. Thanks for all of your great videos!
I'm 210 pounds, and I agree 100% about the difference in pace for a half and full marathon. In my experience, the Saucony Endorphin Elite worked great for my pacing and gave me a good time for my full marathon. That shoe has the perfect weight and stability underfoot to go the distance.
I think if you're a runner watching videos about carbon shoes you probably aren't triggered by the topic of body weight lol
😂true bro
Facts. I’m more triggered about being too skinny 😅
I totally agree! Im a healthy guy, 5'7 and 177lbs. As some one who engages in lifting weights and running for my jobs physical fitness test ill never be a small dude. I had the same debate with my self for the Vaporfly 3 and the Adios Pro 3. Wend Adios Pro 3 for the stability and comfort over time.
Good choice
Every runner should watch this video!
One thing to remember is that your running mechanics can change depending on the shoe you wear. I just watched Rory Linkletter’s video on the Seville Marathon, and he did some testing with Puma. He saw that his stride length increase when using Puma’s Fast-R 2 to the point where he would take 500 fewer steps over the course of a full marathon. Super interesting.
Its easy to measure with a garmin watch. The higher the stack, the longer my strides. Whenever I try a low stack shoe, I tend to go for faster cadence instead. The reason is that the higher the stack, the more shock absorption i get so the easier it is to "jump" far and high without getting hurt.
Thanks for this excellent analysis of the running shoe technology and personal criteria(mechanics, weight, pace/time). This is the first video like this that I have seen and they are important considerations!
I've been lunged at, charged and chased by dogs while running. I now carry a pepper spray and stone when running outside. I love dogs, but I can't stand many of the owners. They act with such entitlement: Yes, you say your dog is friendly. But I'm not interested in finding out if today is the day your dog decides to be triggered. 🤨
Agree - and you have seconds to make a decision while considering a multitude of factors.
Is it right to attack a dog in that case? Asking as a fellow runner that gets chased by dogs everyday on my runs.
Dude, I've been chased too and bitten once, and had to take five rabies shots, it sucks!
Best of luck to you.
I think about that all the time, I often run at a park where dog owners gather and some of them (dogs and peoplealike) are not too polite. I obviously don't want to hurt any dog at all, but I don't want to get bitten either. I've been chased like three times and bitten once so far, but I'm afraid I'm going to lose my temper soon, @@marcosperez3151. It's a shitty situation, that's for sure.
@@marcosperez3151 Did I say I "attack" dogs? No, I practice self-defense. There are countless dog attack stories on news that result in injury and even death (children/elderly are most vulnerable). I don't want to be next. If I get "chased by dogs everyday on my runs", I would first change the route or timing of my runs to minimize the encounters. I would only resort of physical defense if I can't leave the dog safely. Unless you are Usain Bolt, you're not going to outrun many dogs... good luck
best shoe review I’ve seen in a long time .. specifically mentioning running form, runner weight, and pace / time on feet. Not just toe box and heel collar .. gusseted tongue. The dog chase was pretty funny & authentic 😄🤘🏻
Really enjoying the channel sir. I really appreciate the detail and craftmanship you put into your content, which is so well rounded as you cover so many types of shoes that are not only the popular shoes. Really appreciate the insightful content
Thank you! I appreciate the thoughtful note 🙌🏽
hey! im a heavier runner and i appreciate the way you went around making this video. i ended up buying the new balance as a result!
Best running channel!! Keep it up. Really enjoy your reviews!
This is an excellent analysis on the Alphafly 3's (which I own). They are definitely suited for forefoot strikers rather than heel strikers, I've been getting immense pain in them versus the previous Alphafly 2's which target a broader running audience with the extended foam in the heel.
The best video I have ever seen on the subject of choosing a racing shoe.
3:25 these shoes GLOWIINNNN'. Shout out Yowana for growing in camera adjustment skills
I enjoyed this. I just ran my first half at 1:48. I’m a 210 lb bodybuilder motocross combo athlete lol. Good for my size I guess. I wanted to add that I seem to really blow out shoes fast. I’m in brooks now and love them but I don’t have an allegiance to them. You gave me a lot to think about and learn about. Also, in moto, after a 10,000 dollar bike, if you want the pro level equipment you’ll need another 9-12,000 for suspension alone. Runners: be grateful.
This is one of the best videos I’ve seen explaining shoe difference on size and speed etc. Just ran my first marathon in 4 hours with the Deviate Nitro 2. Great shoe for the half or so but my ankles were killing my from 20ish on. Probably a lack of training but this video explained well why some shoes are better for others. Love it!
Truer words have never been spoken 👍🏽
you info and videos is a breath of fresh air in the sea of buy this and buy that
Thank you! 🙌🏽
Thanks so much for this video. What really made sense to me is how what shoe is going work for someone is going to depend a lot on running mechanics and then also factors like weight.
I am a bit addicted to running shoe videos on YT right now. It will pass but it is my current obsession. Why your video was so much better was the fact that you have an open mind and realize what is best for you might not be best for me. Then you explained why.
There are real world consequences. I have a pair of NB SC Elite 4s on hold. I was going to cancel and switch to a pair of Nike Alphaflys. I ran a bit in both in the store and the NB Elites did feel better to me. But then watching the videos and was "talked" into instead going with the Nike AF.
But I am a heel striker and everything I have tried has not changed that fact. I am also now pretty old and come to terms it is not changing. I can clearly see, because of your video, why the NB Elite is going to be a better option.
Literally the question in my head going in to LAM this weekend. Glad I came across this video, thank you!
Great video great information! 100,000 subscribers are coming keep it up 👍
Great video! I’m 165-170 lb heel striker. Running Myrtle Beach Marathon next week. I actually had both of these shoes and I ended up sending the Alphafly back. I didn’t think I could make it 3-4 hours in it. SC Elite V4 felt much better!
good luck at myrtle beach!
@@supwell thanks!
How did you do?
Awesome breakdown and differentiation between the need of different type of runners. Thanks!
Definitely one of the best shoe review videos on RUclips. Thank you for making this abundantly clear for super shoe marathoners who will run over 3 hours for the marathon. Majority of running shoe reviewers seem to run their marathons between 2:30-3:15 so while their points might be valid, it doesn't really apply to the majority of marathoners.
That slick flip at 7:43 was 🔥
Happy weekend brotha
Brilliant video for us older slower but just as committed runners. I just ordered the AF3 for my upcoming half marathon which I’m aiming to complete in 2 hours. I’m not even sure if I’m a heel striker or midfoot but what the hell! Shall subscribe now and watch for insights. Thank you!
@Yowana, this is a great video that I have shared. Shoe selection is crazy and can get really expensive as you move through trying different brands, foams, geometries, etc. This is a great foundation for people to use thinking through their specific gait and purpose. Thanks for bringing up other brands as well!!
I appreciate it! And thanks for sharing the video 🙌🏽
I run frequently with my two dogs, always on leash. It’s amazing how many loose dogs there are and they approach aggressively barking like that dog did. My dogs get protective immediately when that happens and I try to choose routes where there are lower chances of encountering other dogs. When I see other people I always go wide of them to make them feel comfortable.
I’m 5’8” and 195 lbs. Having run 3 HM and 1 Marathon, still trying to find the perfect shoe for 5 hours on the course as a heel striker. Max cushion are nice but heavy and ran marathon in SuperBlast but would like to try carbon plate someday.
if you've raced in the adios pro 3 and find it comfortable i would go with that! a good way to test is to use it for your longest training runs and see how it feels toward the end
it's legal to have dogs off leash in your area ? here it's forbidden (but I still do it)
I’m not too experienced with road shoes due to me being a track runner but if you are looking for carbon plates I would either look at the ASICS metaspeed line or the puma deviate nitro line. I have teammates who love the meta speed line and I’ve heard amazing things about it as a carbon shoe. Lastly the Saucony endorphin pro line would also be a good option. Many of my teammates really like their endorphin pros.
I had no idea Tyr had anything other than swimming gear! Good to know.
I started running at 210 lbs, 6'0. Ran 160k calories worth about in a year. Ended up at.... 210 lbs lol. I just really like food.
At 200-180 pounds I am still too heavy for Nike alphaflies. It always gave me backaches, ankle pain and glute cramps, but 40 seconds to a minute faster per mile 😂. It’s like a pledge with a devil 😈
And again,a fantastic video,great comparison,really appreciate it.
Can't wait for your Pro 4 review and a head to head compare to the Sc Elite🙏👊
thank you!
me too!@@supwell
This video was so essential for me!Especially since I also just bought the SC Elite V4. You nailed it Yowana! Thank you for the insight ❤
thanks riley! btw, let me know if you have thoughts on what stability shoes i should test this year. i've been thinking about the vongo and maybe the guide 17 - let me know if there are others you're interested in
I like your shoe reviews, so many reviewers run a lot faster than those who are watching - where their marathon pace is like my fast interval pace. So this video is very useful.
Dogs are my biggest fear when running. I was running in the dark past a farm in Ireland (visiting for work) and heard this snarling dog I couldn't see as I ran down the lane. I think I got a PR on that segment 🙂
I didn't run that route again 😖
Wow, so many interesting facts. Thanks, mate!
Great video. Makes a lot of sense. Thank you.
Very good video. You had me scared over that dog and then the car pulls up on you, even my dog started to growl hearing that dog bark at you. 😂 I know my 14 mile long run this weekend will be in the 3 hour range so I’m slower and heavier than most running RUclipsrs. So I need a shoe that will be comfy for a 5+ hour marathon. I like you talking about heavier runners as I have 40lbs on you. Thought about doing youtube videos for heavier slower runners like myself as most you tube videos are doing 6/7/8 min mile paces. That all said have you thought about adding weight or pace to the shoe suggestion algorithm?
And what’s that discount code on the TYR? They give 10% for putting in an email so be good if we could stack your discount plus thier email sign up one.
Enjoyed the video and discussion..one thing I would add is age..at 69 my feet/knees/hips and back are not the same as people 40 or younger..though I routinely beat 70% of them in races,I have different wants/needs out of my shoes..at 3:40 pace I am out there longer so comfortable,cooler,as well as cushioning that doesn't go flat are top of the list..as a forefoot striker with high arches a vaporfly is pretty much useless and the alphafly is the only nike that works for me.. the last couple of years shoes are finally catching up with the reality of where most runners are at..pretty sure the vast majority of runners at races I go to aren't following you-tubers..it's why brooks and others sell so many bricks like the 880 that is beating up your feet..it's refreshing to see that you realize that most runners are 3-5mi/day and 5k runners..great job and hopefully you can stay grounded and don't get caught up in the whole manufacturers funded trips and race trips thing and can stick to what you are doing..🎉🎉
age is a great addition - thanks for adding that. also i really appreciate the thoughtful comment. the plan is to keep going and always serve the runner 💪🏽
Don’t apologize for calling people big or heavy runners.
that dog threw me off guard i laughed so hard sorry. amazing content dude
First, i'm really happy that you like the puma deviate nitro 2 since i love that shoe 😁
I'm also really happy that you bring up these subjects because i think that often they are neglected in shoes reviews or running talks.
If i may, also regarding your cielo x1 video: i'm a 115 pounds heel striker who loves the sc elite v3; between sc elite v4 and cielo x1, which do you think i should consider for a 3h30m marathon?
Thanks and keep up the good work 🤩
Great video. I agree mostly. As you said there are a bunch of different factors at play and boiling it down to just pace or foot strike misses the weight and mechanics factors. I personally think pace and weight are probably the most important. I don't really get why people are upset when a shoe company markets their shoes for a particular pace, they're trying to just be helpful in describing who they had in mind when designing the shoe. Of course we can be upset at them pricing a shoe without all the tech of a super shoe in the super shoe price range... Haha
I know, I don't get that either. I mean, there are literally hundreds of models out there, why can't some be niched, or super expensive, or super cheap, or super tall, or super minimalistic, or whatever
We all like shoe nerdery or else we wouldn't be here watching this, but sometimes I feel like this whole running shoe movement has incorporated some religious undertones in the past few years, and some people may get offended easily when they find out that a given or model has not been designed and manufactured precisely according to their specifications, whether they are technical or economic, or whatever.
Genuine question: Are people really that triggered about mentioning weight? If so, how, why, and to what extent? Yowana seemed to go out of his way to not offend any one when approaching the topic. Sure, we don't need to mock overweight people, I'm one myself (and short too), but do we need to be hyper sensitive?
If you've spent weeks eating nothing but iceburg lettuce and dry cheerios in an effort to lose fat when you are already 8% body fat and all you can be is disgusted with how 'overweight' you are...then yes, mentioning that the best runners tend to be the lightest is all it takes to trigger a relapse. Thank you, Yowana, for recognizing that.
I’ve read most of the training books that you mentioned and they’re great… 26 Marathons isn’t a training book but it has some surprisingly useful training info and is entertaining, inspiring, and a quick read/listen
Excellent! Thank you. My Over 55 Marathon PB (2:58) and Half were both in Newton Distance Elites - 2.0 mm drop and minimal cushioning, no plate. As a “Born to Run” training camp alumnus, I can barely run at all in an AlphaFly.
Spot on. At 88kg Im a heavy runner. Ran several halfs in Vaporfly snd they felt great. Used them in Marathon and they actually killed my feet on the final kilometers. Will pick a less aggressive carbon shoe for my next full marathon.
All good points and great that you addressed this. I am a senior runner, heel striker as well, and so my marathon time is over 4:30 (as is my BQ time) and I just ran a marathon this weekend in the NB SC Elite v.4. They were perfect for me. Lightweight, cushioned and most definitely improved my pace. Never once thought about my feet. I actually prefer carbon-plated (NB) shoes to run races and long runs in. I've been running long enough to know that the Alphafly, although super popular, is just not a shoe that would work for me. BTW, Emily Sisson helped NB with the design of the SC Elite and wore the next version of the SC Pacer at the Olympic Trials. I can't imaging wearing a 5k-10k race shoe in a marathon, but then I don't run 2 hour and change marathons.
amazing congrats on the race this weekend - and thank you for sharing that the sc elite v4 worked for you!
Great video! Nice to see some fellow heavier runners commenting… 6’1 and 210 lbs here.
Would love to hear your thoughts on heel drop. Any shoe I have tried that is less than 8mm drop ups my effort level and slows my pace.
I know a lower drop is supposed to be easier on the knees and hips and puts more work on your calves.
I'm a bodybuilder hybrid training 6'3 215 mostly muscle but the weight still matters alot when running longer distances and picking shoes so no biggie man good vid
I have a large collection of running books. My favorite three books are: The Van Aaken Method and the Self-Coached Runner I and Self Coached Runner II. Ernst Van Aaken and Allan Lawrence.
I am a midfoot striker most of the time but my current racing shoe is metaspeed sky+ that has negative drop feel and it slows me down if I run in my usual form. Things changed when I land on forefoot where most of the foam stack is there, and surprisingly it did not hurt my shin. The downsight of this different is that I have to manually change my running style every time I put on the Sky+ in the beginning before I get used to it after 15 mins. I will definitely get a super shoe that feel natural to me once I retire my current Sky+, Endorphin pro 4 seems a good option for slow runner
Extremely well explained and well done video.
thank you!
Thank you so much for making this video! I’ve been saying this to myself for a very long time. I very frustratedly watch shoe reviewers never bring up this topic and they do not take into account that each person has their individual needs. Then they’ll flat out bash a shoe just cause it wasn’t their fit. Again, great discussion!!!
This is a very good video.
I watched this whole video, then went back to see that attempted dog attack. Initially I thought this was gonna turn into a Muay Thai street fight, but so happy you release your demons on the road. That's serious control, well handled! Great video btw! Looking at Puma Deviate Nitro 3 for myself.
First video of yours I’ve watched and you make some excellent points. As a fairly casual but competitive runner (mostly 5-10k races) with plans on eventually committing to a half and a full marathon in the next few years I can relate with shoes being very personal. I’m 6ft 175-180lbs and in good shape, I’m also a heel/back mid-foot striker. I’ve recently been trying out a lot of shoes particularly plated options. I currently run in the Hoka Mach 5, and just got the Mizuno wave rebellion flash 2 to try out. I was super skeptical at first, but this is hands down one of the best shoes I’ve tried for speedwork, intervals and I’d assume would do very well at 10k to half marathon distances. I thought that due to the lack of foam under the heel that there no way they would work but it actually helps me strike more on the mid foot which gives a very satisfying spring to my step. I almost beat my 5k PR (24:30) at around 75-80% effort without realizing. The glass fiber plate makes a big difference but it doesn’t feel as rigid and unforgiving as the magic speed or some other plated shoes I’ve tried. I’d highly recommend the mizuno wave rebellion flash 2 to all my heel strikers out there lol
The wave rebellion flash 2 is a fun shoe! I'm also a heel striker and enjoyed it - I'm looking forward to getting some more miles in it after my next race
I’m a taller runner who specializes on the track(6’5 175 pounds) in the mile but can go down to the 800 if needed. I found that in terms of spikes even though the Nike air zoom victory was the more 800/mile centered spikes I found that the dragonflies work better for me in every way. I think I sink too much into the air pockets because I tend to stomp when I run. I also know people who love the victories and everything to do with them. Different shoes work for different people and it’s important to find what works best for you and now do what others say is best.
Finally someone who explains it completely - respect, Yowana! Heel striker vs midfoot striker vs frontfoot striker and light (60-70 kg) vs heavy (over 80 kg) runner means a huge difference. Stack height of 40mm does not have the same impact for a 60 kg heavy runner as for the 90 kg runner. A heavy runner needs a much firmer foam and more stack to get the same effect.
All these reviewers on RUclips don't have a clue, it's all bullshit, they are all thin and around 70kg. Their opinions make no sense for heavy runners. Yowana seems to be the only one who ads details about weight and strike.
There is also one little detail about these two models, SC Elite 4 and Alphafly 4: SC Elite 4 is the only supershoe that is available in width 2E (wide).
so helpful
Foot size is another factor in shoe selection. I think the Alpha Fly might be too heavy for E K as compared to some other super shoes if he had size 13 shoes like me.
If the lighter runners who these shoes are designed for need to put X amount of force through the shoe to 'activate' the foams, and they do that by going fast, surely us slower and heavier runners will activate the foams at slower paces simply because we weigh more and are therefore putting the same forces through the shoes just at a slower pace?
Correct. Buy Stryd
It shows the energy.
You're a young guy but you made some really good points. Well done.
finally someone that review shoes from the reg. joe point of view - subscribe
I would go further and put up a conparison of the whole spectrum. This would be shoes that each had a full review. I can't always keep straight the drop and weight of the TYR vs. NB for example.
This idea isn't limited to the top marathon racers. There could be the near-max trainers. Triumph vs. 1080 vs. Clifton, etc.
What I think is missed about the sc elite v4 is how flexible the carbon plate is. I think that the flexible plate plus a gradual rocker plus a stable heel plus a relatively soft foam makes it feel like an ideal but very costly daily trainer and long run shoe. For example, the adios pro 3 has way stiffer carbon, a firmer foam, and a less gradual rocker. That shoe feels faster to me, but harder on my calf muscles for long efforts.
Great video! Very insightful- you mentioned books - do you have a video or a list of recommended books for marathon running?
Let’s not forget that all people have different running mechanics. Some people don’t see much, if any benefit from supershoes, well, some people or what they call superresponders. It all depends on your biomechanics. Clayton Young is a great example of a superresponder, although the new Asics shoe is testing crazy well in the lab as well.
A few minutes ago I purchased a the Fresh Foam 1080 V13 because of your review and because you love him so much 🙏🔥😍 And I get a really shoe bargain 💪 Normally the price is 190 euros here when I go online but I founded for like 115 euro 🫡 That‘s a banger I can’t let go past me and I went with the red color way 🙏 For me I connect this color with fire and activity 🙌 On monday next week I will be at a new physio to look after some body things of mine and yeah 😍 I‘m patient right now and I will return to running pretty soon. I‘m sure about it 🙏 For me running is the reason why I was born into that world in that time 🙌 I understood that quite a few months ago 😃 It was like an enlightenment to me 😍🔥💪 Thank you really much for your recommendation 👍 and I saved like 75 euros 🔥
that's a great deal! i hope you love them - it's a great shoe to use when easing back into running
Great video! I appreciate your approach and thoughts on this topic. I will keep all of this in mind as I work towards finding my marathon shoe. Thank you for making this video! Very insightful!
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Just came across your channel. Love the video. Well thought out and beneficial. I can see why it’s getting the views!!
🙌🏽 thank you!
Great video on a timely topic!
"Heavier Runner" should really not be about weight alone but about weight-to-shoe-size. Both variables determine your compression dynamics versus any given midsole.
I've been thinking about exactly these topics lately. At my age, 67, I think that 2-2.5 hours of race effort is plenty, so I'm looking at half marathon as maybe the longest race I want to do.
That charging dog was wild. Get some mace.
Thanks for this. It is a much needed point of view when discussing, and even more importantly, recommending, running/racing shoes. So many YT reviewers have bagged the NB SC Elite for being heavy and slow, what annoys me is that these are often very lithe guys that run 3:30/km pace marathons. Of course they love the Alphafly. But is it the right shoe for me? No, it's way too much shoe for me, same with the Adidas Pro 3. The real question is should any of us mortals be running in a carbon plated shoe. I absolutely love the Puma Deviate Nitro 2. But YT has made me feel like that isn't an option to run a marathon. We're slowly being brainwashed by these guys. And you my friend are changing the rhetoric. Thank you.
🙌🏽 thanks for the comment! Agreed that we should all run in the shoes that work best for us - deviate nitro 2 is an awesome shoe
Really informative video! What’re your thoughts on the ASICS Superblast?
At 6'6" and 210lbs I def seek out the shoes that most people complain are too firm/stiff. I'm def liking the Boston 12 right now, just wishing it was a little lighter. I'm training for a 90 min 13.1 not the marathon.
have you tried the saucony endorphin shift 3 yet? it definitely fits in the category of people saying it's too firm hahaha but i loved mine - great because it's a lot of cushion but not super squishy. got 350+ miles out of them and used for everything from recovery runs to faster workout
If I was going to buy new racing shoes today, it would probably be the New Balance Elite v4. Not just because it is beautiful, but it might work better for my low length stride ( but high cadence) and overpronation issues. Other shoes are either super narrow in the middle foot ,unstable, or don't have enough rubber coverage in the heel area.
I bet that this Elite v4 is more stable them my Magic Speed 3 ... it is hard to keep the high speed when we lose energy overpronating a lot with every step. Anyways, the Magic Speed 3 is awesome for me up to 10km and perfect for 5km for me.
Reviewers tend to forget to include that kind of info, especially their pace. So for instance, one reviewer said that Boston 12 works great for easy miles but forgot to mention that his easy miles are 4min/km which is my 5km pace. At my easy pace I don't find Boston 12 comfortbale at all. They come alive at that kind of pace 4:30min/km and faster. It would be nice if reviewers would include that kind of info as different kind of runners are watching these videos.
Thanks for the info it was well said
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This is why you need a pair of Boston 11's.
Very good points that are often overlooked in other shoe reviews channels.
So if I'm a 125 lbs midfoot striker that plan a 3:45-4:00 marathon which shoe would you recommend?
Great Info
Thank you man ❤🔥🔥🔥🔥
This is the video I needed to see..
Im looking forward to see what the masses think about the puma 3 when it comes out soon. I want a pair of the deviate 2 but you cant find them on sale hardly ever now, might have waited too long
Great channel!
Which Lydiard books would you recommend? Especially about running form?