Thanks for actually going in depth with your explanations, others usually just say "use your entire arm" and be done there. The grip you showed has been very helpful
I think he's the one arm-aiming wrong. Wrist aiming has wrist pivot. Arm aiming is using the entire arm without any pivots. Idk any good players that mainly aim with pivot using the elbow
When it comes to aiming as a whole, there should be no difference between "Arm aiming" and "Wrist aiming". When aiming you should be using your whole arm; forearm and shoulder for big movements, wrist and fingers for precision adjustments. i.e. Use your arm to flick to someone, then use your wrist and fingers to adjust to their head. Gripping your mouse in a way that makes it impossible to use your fingers, or using a sens so high that you never need to use your arm, puts you at a needless disadvantage.
THANK YOU. I don't know why there are so many idiots out there that talk like they know the end all be all about a subject. Like literally play with whatever is comfortable and you'll be completely fine
@@erui2848 I would disagree. There are scenarios in aim trainers that train this exact thing. Really any micro adjustment exercise can show you how to mirco adjust with your wrist
Not to mention that it doesn't really matter how low or high your sens ist as long as you're consistent with it. If it isn't unreasonably high it's fine. Just because you have tenz eDPI it doesn't mean you won't get smoked by someone with a 500 or even higher eDPI.
If you are having trouble with your arm sticking to the table or mousepad, I highly suggest getting a sport sleeve/gaming sleeve. Helps a ton with consistency!
Bro, I see two mistakes you're making. Firstly, you need to be on the edge of the table with about the middle of your forearm, secondly, you need to sit at least 5 cm higher, trust me, then you will have much more freedom of movement
I've switched to using more arm and lowering my sens and its much more natural/consistent, the real thing to get used to is your movement, it will suffer initially from a lower sens. I've found using RawAccell to increase my y-axis sens by 1.2-1.3x makes going low sens much more comfortable, as vertical movements are much more manageable.
Same for me, and I similarly made the adjustment through DPI by setting my x-axis dpi to 400 and y-axis dpi to 600. I realized I naturally wanted to transition to an even lower sensitivity, and the only limiting factor that existed was vertical recoil in certain games (I think it was PubG at the time); That is, if I went any lower I would lose the ability to control gun recoil. This can be a great solution depending on specific limitations
Been arm aiming lately and because I lowered my sensitivity a lot (28 cm/360 to 42) using a small light mouse (the Hati S) made me recover the reactivity I felt I lost after switching to a lower sens
Loving the new style of this video! Also, my key takeaway to is try and consciously focus on how I'm holding my mouse to find what grip/arm position really benefits me to win more gunfights
Also, just wanted to add that, after watching this, I tried some of the stuff and its really good, can vouch. However, fingertip on low sens (weird combo I know) is also not bad since it does require you to use your arm and have that free pivot. (0.246 @ 800 dpi, if you were wondering what I mean by 'low' sens)
@@AWib1703 it’s the same sens as ur, mines 0.24 at 800. It’s weird but it works and has its own interesting game play aspects. Do you use fingertip or claw?
As another fellow arm aimer, sit up and close enough to the desk so that there is a 90 degree right angle from your wrist to your elbow up to the biceps. Hopefully this helps somebody out.
for those who want to do this but don't know where to start, I'd just look at prosettings and see what the median and mean edpi is, though I'm generally biased towards the median, since it's more outlier resistant. the mean edpi for val is 282 (.352 @800) which equates to about 46 cm 360. looking at the spreadsheet, the median edpi is right about 248-251 (.31-.314 @800 dpi)], or about a 52 cm 360. If you want to get in the ballpark for a median that's not published on prosettings, just take the spreadsheet, display 25 by page, and go to whatever the halfway point is in terms of number of pages (ie for Val, there are 13 pages, I'd go to page 6 and look at the bottom half) and if you play a lot of different games and can't arm aim in some of them, that's okay!
there's no such thing as arm or wrist aim, If you want to be a good aimer in all games, learn to aim with your arm, wrist and fingertips not just one of them Because if you only aim with wrist and not arm you'll have a hard time playing a game with a lot of tracking and target switching (Apex, Cod) also swiping and turning to shoot an enemy behind will be hard and if you don't use your fingers it'll be hard to micro adjust with wrist or arm only and shoot small targets or ones that are far away Though keep in mind if you use palm grip you cant aim with fingers, also if you use very low sensitivity
What’s weird is I had the opposite experience. I played at 0.28/800dpi for a few months and was doing alright, but not great. But as soon as I cranked it up to 0.5 my aim got really crispy and I feel more confident taking fights. Good video tho! It’s good to try various sensitivities and styles! It won’t harm your muscle memory, at least not permanently.
you can see in the beginning that his sens was just too low, he needed so long to move his aim to the opponent, that wasnt the gripstyles fault. Just really sluggisch sens/movement.
@@tinychamberz yeah but if you peek with your crosshair already pre aimed on each individual angle low sens is very viable. You just need to have really good crosshair placement and think ahead.
IDK how to thank you bro. out of all 'aim improvement guide out there this one definitely helped me the most. After changing my grip to this I literally top fragged games at Plat elo something that was very rare to me hehe thaanks
The easy fix is to 1. Wear an arm sleeve so you don’t have to raise your wrist 2. No such thing as “arm” or “wrist” aiming. Aiming is composed of ALL of your arms. You use your fingers, wrist, and arms at the same time 3. You can most definitely have your wrist on the pad. You can still arm aim with your wrist on the pad. Having your wrist on the pad gives you more control, but less speed. Having your wrist raised gives you less control, but more speed. No “proper” way of “arm” aiming Really poor advice imo
I did similar testing last year for 15 days. Not only trying out different mouse grips, but also sensitivities. Documented all the testing along the way for headshot accuracy, autorifle/SMG tracking, flick, etc. Was quite interesting to see the results and how much better I was at another sens and mouse grip than my usual (+20% better)
Was actually surprised when I changed my sens and wrecked some kids. Just need a good mousepad for tracking because my Equate Plus is pretty mid when it comes to tracking.
6:37 cm/360 Mine has been around 45cm/360 for a while now. Take into account that he's playing valorant, a game where you don't have to do huge mouse movements. I play apex, and sometimes you need to, so 50cm+/360 might be a little too slow.
I've battled arm aiming for so long myself! I felt kinda good after this vid, except I have trouble hitting long range shots/micro adjustments. Do you plant your wrist just for those, or more slight contact?
nope you can still use your wrist its still up on the mouse not planted on the mousepad. It takes some getting used to but you can microadjust easily just takes some getting used to. Hope this helps
@@BTaesthetics So wrist/palm doesn't even graze the pad when micro adjusting? Yeah thanks man, I'm finally getting the hang of arm aim, after years of thinking I did it, having loads of trouble!
This video was probably the most helpful arm aim guide I've ever seen next to Coach Rambos guides and also I have a question when u play arm do u lift ur arm to avoid it from getting stuck on the table? Or u just rest it on the table and it is what it is😁
@@BTaesthetics Ohh wow u replied so fast and thanks but when u like move ur arm up and down like a big movement how do you avoid it from getting stuck on the table? This is my last question I promise, it's just that I've never seen someone explain it better ur amazing man
I'm sorry to interrupt, so can you tell me what you did to avoid it, I can't avoid my arm stuck in until I raise my elbow, not lightly, and have to maintain it all the time in order to move smoothly at all times. It's too easy to get tired and tense to balance with relaxation. I have height adjustable desk, and I've tried all sorts of sitting high and low, and it doesn't help me. It's been bothering me for so long that I haven't been able to avoid it since I found out and don't even want to play games or practice anymore If you could let me know, I'd appreciate it. Thanks.@@tomasonsynthol8266
I have been arm aiming like that for a long time now with a hybrid/relaxed claw grip. I never got why so many people are chasing smaller mice and use fingertip. It's a very inconsistent combo because it lacks control and stability. Glad you see you realized this and made a video about it, because people are not talking about it much. I think the propaganda started because of RJN, however he mainly played Quake games back then. There are a wide variety of different shooters that people play nowadays, and I think relaxed claw like that would work for everything you need.
The main reason I subconsciously started finger tip aiming is because I was death gripping my mouse before hand and using just my finger tips helped me alleviate stress that was being caused because of the tension. I arm aimed for a long time before that but I always had trouble tracking because I paired it with a super low sensitivity and it also hurt my arm. I’m not sure if I should go back to it but I do agree it’s definitely more consistent.
Its more that light mice help with fingertip the most as it causes way less fatigue on finger muscles, which is one of the main reasons for consistency issues. And ye depends on what you want precision and reactivity- fingertip, stability and smoothness- palm and claw lens towards either end depending on personal style. A pure palm with no gap is just dumb though imo. To make use of it a very low sens is a necessity due to the lack of any micro control and if you think outside of the gaming norms you are moving a small cursor around a screen as accurately as possible. Imagine if pens/pencils were a fat circle block with a pen nib on the end. You probably could learn to use it and write well, humans are amazingly adaptable but would you consider that optimal or even efficient? Thats why the "relaxed claw" or loose palm is the only palm grip that makes any sense to me.
BEcause battle royale and fast paced shooters with high recoil (such as pubg) became huge. And they require many different styles of aiming in 1 game at a high level. Light mice are far easier to do everything with, huge heavy mice are only good for slow tactical shooters where all you do is put your crosshair in the right spot and run (ie. really easy and 1 style of aiming only needed)
switched from forward palm grip to finger tip grip and not gonna finger tip has sooo much more room for micro corrections compared to palm or claw grip. depending on the games we play our preference will change to wether which grip is better or worse. for me if were to play fortnite i have to go with palm or claw cuz there is soo much fast paced movement finger tip wont make it. for valorant finger tip can be good but since there is not much verticle movement u can make claw/palm grip work but in apex i feel like finger tip is the best imo cuz of the verticle and horizontal movement in that game.
I play with a mix of arm and wrist movement. More arm than wrist. I use a palm/fingertip grip hybrid. I use 800DPI 0.39 In game. I can aim really good sometimes, but then other times i cant hit anything. Im terrible. I have crosshair placement down, i know the angles, maps, agents, abilities. I just cant consistently aim. When it LOOKS like i hit the head (because my crosshair is on their head) i hit the body. People tell me aim higher but if i aim any higher i shoot above them. This is my 1 area of flaw in the game at the moment. Im a plat 3 player, and understand the game. My aim doesnt match my skill level and i want to be able to hit my shots. It will go a long way in helping me improve.
I really appreciate the information! As someone who came from PS4, (primarily Playing Overwatch) I am switching between PS4 and PC, I felt so lost on how to properly control a mouse, even though I use one daily (just not for gaming). The console version of Overwatch has Aim assist, which is nice, but I knew years ago that If i developed a dependency on it, It would be very hard to change later on. Thats why I wanted to set the aim assist lower and lower until I eventually Weaned off of it. Im just gonna throw this out here. If anyone would like to play Overwatch sometime, let me know. Im a diamond Support, and palt tank + Open Queue on console. but unfortunately I am maybe a silver at best on PC (havent ranked yet) once again thank you for the video you have helped me get on the right path
it's not necessary to have that gap underneath, it's just the way they hold the mouse or aim. use arm when swiping from front to back. use wrist for micro adjustment (close enemy). Also, crosshair placement.
when you arm aim, you generally wanna use the bottom of your palm to plant your wrist for the very small adjustments (spraying etc) and then then off the pad when you big swipe, then bring it back to pivot right after the swipe but as always, YMMV. great vid BT
THis, dont actually AIM from your pivot point, just use your pivot point to do your faster swiped. How has no one else said this in the comments lol. So unco and less controllable aiming from an elbow pivot point
Hi bro!! Really nice tips on arm aiming... Can u help me understand the swipes for left and right 90 degrees.. 0.25*800 dpi!! And how to check multiple angles while arm aiming
I'm not sure whether it's for the sake of filming the video, but your desk is way too high. An approx. 90 degree elbow angle is optimal both for aiming mechanics and health.
I don't think it's just about arm aiming alone, it's more a combination of arm and wrist depending on the distance of the target. I also use my fingers for micromovements.
Yea I unconsciously did this a few years ago and when I got into trying new mice it made finding the right mouse more annoying since the forward grip makes it harder to comfortably hit the side buttons, something I use a lot for mic mute/pinging in val and ow.
Really big that you included all the different variations of this style. Everyone has differently sized arm muscles/desk elevations/mice/etc, and in order for someone to fairly try out this style, they need to first go through the variations you listed and find their best fit.
i did use wrist aiming cuz i had small mousepad but i switch to a bigger mouse pad and stadt using my whole arm and wrist it did improve my aim,at the begining ofc i had to train my arm and then after like 2 month i improve my aim
I like to rest my elbow on the armrest of my chair and also have my forearm partially touching the table as well (I really hope this doesn't become a problem when I get a new chair, I'll have to really make sure the armrests are adjustable)
love this, arm aiming is great but u should always try to involve ur wrist into ur aiming style, as n0thing (csgo pro) has said being able to use both is great, since ur arm is used as a pivot for big swings and wrist for small adjustments also the idea of not having ur wrist planted is also an idea well known in the aiming community, but i love that u figured it out urself, having ur wrist in an elevated position allows for a more range of movement love the vids man, keep it up!!
Good video. It's worth saying that is won't work for everyone though. And I think you misspoke your Valorant sens because 2.7 on 800 dpi is REALLLLLLY fast. Either way I think this is a style that's definitely worth trying at least once.
Wait really dude?? I thought it was just an obvious thing everyone does when arm aiming. You really didnt plant the base of your palm for smaller movements and they just lift it off the pad for larger ones?? No wonder you hated arm aiming if you were dragging your hand and entire arm on the pad XD. Ps fingertip with low sens arm aiming is just as easy. You could do the same angled arm thing or you could just consciously focus on lifting your wrist when you need to do large movements/ bigger flicks and it will become natural very fast. Also a sports sleave is a godsend for consistency across a pad regardless of humidity and has the bonus of making gliding your arm on the pad when needed have less friction so its faster and easier.
Same case here, always been a high sens user. When I started CSGO I had no knowldge of mice and what not, I rocked 3.04 sens on a default 1200dpi mouse, then shifted to a 800 dpi mouse and then it was finally time to buy my first cheap gaming mouse, with which I shifted to 400DPI because by then I saw most pros use that. Sens stayed the same 3.04. I had a relaxed fingertip/palm kinda grip with all mice, similar to s1mple's grip. I have big hands. I was always a wrist aimer, with shaky aim but the sens allowed me to be a AWP god. Then I bought the g304 which was smaller and narrower than my previous mouse ( it had the deathadder shape ) I was forced to change my grip because my hand used to cramp cause of the smaller mouse. I change to a palm grip and shifted my sens to 2.0 Ever since then I have been so much more consistent and on par with anyone on the server. Averaging 20 frags is so easy now. Requires minimum warmup.
I prefer using mid sens like 32cm/360 for Arm Aiming because you can do a full 360 on a 45cm mousepad which is insanely useful in games with alot of angle switching while still being able to use my wrist and fingers when aiming, so I use the arm to flick close to the target and use wrist and fingers to adjust to head instead of aiming using the arm only.
Loving this type of content bro and in detail too. Been messing around with my arm aiming too to get it more consistent so this came clutch. Keep it up!
You should make a second channel and just upload random gameplays. Us viewers would appreciate/enjoy it and you would have an entire channel with footage you can analyse whenever you are trying to figure out a weakness in your aim.
im the exact opposite i used to be an arm aimer but felt super in consistent and slow. Going to a high sens, mastering it and switching to wrist aiming really made me level up alot. I know have a 38.8% headshot rate on valo tracker with 52$ headshot rate on the vandal respectively.
is it common after playing for 10minutes trying to arm aim my arm gets really tired holding my arm off my pad after years of resting my arm from wrist aiming or do i just need to work out more lol
What makes the wrist be the pivot point is the little pressure we add to it so we can "plant" the wrist on the mousepad, you don't need to hover your wrist, just try practicing to your mouse without any pressure on the wrist, guys
Bt see niko he is the best arm aimer in csgo and dont lift your wrist up i am an arm aimer i play with 0.474 ingame sens 400 dpi. In the beginning its hard but just keep ur wrist normally and in no time u will be aiming very good. One more tip try out ergo mouse for arm aiming its lot easier to arm aim with ergo mouse in the beggining so u can try it.
I used to arm aim now mostly just wrist went from 0.243 1600 or like 0.485 800 dpi to exactly double so 0.485 1600 dpi or 0.97 800 dpi. Use the superlight love flicks still like arm aim for massive movements or just wutever feels comfortable at the moment just autopilot for aim yk it just works
wrist and hand position is kinda help tho, but i m already comfort with my grip. im personaly prefer heavy mouse old school but using high dpi, i dunno my sensivity is 25 in Rainbow six and dpi 2000
I also raise my wrist and aim with my arm. I play with ultra low sensitivity. So my target is perfect. In game 6 sensy 800 dpi (normal sensy) - ADS 6 sensy 200 dpi. (snipermode) (Ultra low sensy)
Another good way to find tune your sense is to put your mouse at center (resting / neutral) position on your mouse pad, and swipe to the right, when the mouse reaches the side of your mousepad, you should have completed a 180. That way you can quickly 180 and never worry about turning too far. It’s a good way to start building muscle memory.
I arm aim myself on .35 1600dpi in valorant as low sense kills me. I hit more shots on a higher sens somehow. Video was very insightful especially the elevated wrist part. I never thought about that.
lol this is so crazy, I have been doing the same for the past couple weeks and own both the sl and the gpu, when I first started arm aiming I was running a corder pad but with a sleeve as minimize friction as much as possible with keeping wrist on the pad to remain comfortable but in the last week or so have switched to the gpx(larger so I feel more comfortable since its longer with more of a rear bump) on the artisan zero(sleeve doesn't seem to reduce friction on this pad) for more control and have been messing with my grip to avoid my wrist friction. glad I found this video I was thinking about going back my starlight with the sleeve but now I think im gonna continue with getting comfortable with the new grip
Correction. My sensitivity is .27 in game with 800dpi.
I was deadass about to say TWO POINT SEVEN WHAT one swipe and you're in china
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Thanks for actually going in depth with your explanations, others usually just say "use your entire arm" and be done there. The grip you showed has been very helpful
Honestly you made me realize I've probably been arm aiming wrong the whole time.
I think he's the one arm-aiming wrong. Wrist aiming has wrist pivot. Arm aiming is using the entire arm without any pivots. Idk any good players that mainly aim with pivot using the elbow
@@xerenityapexlegends3940 arm aiming uses the whole arm ( elbow pivot )
WHAT THE HELL? SURPRISED TO FIND YOU HERE!
When it comes to aiming as a whole, there should be no difference between "Arm aiming" and "Wrist aiming". When aiming you should be using your whole arm; forearm and shoulder for big movements, wrist and fingers for precision adjustments. i.e. Use your arm to flick to someone, then use your wrist and fingers to adjust to their head. Gripping your mouse in a way that makes it impossible to use your fingers, or using a sens so high that you never need to use your arm, puts you at a needless disadvantage.
THANK YOU. I don't know why there are so many idiots out there that talk like they know the end all be all about a subject. Like literally play with whatever is comfortable and you'll be completely fine
But not all people has the ability to do tiny micro adjustment with only wrist with high sens
@@erui2848 I would disagree. There are scenarios in aim trainers that train this exact thing. Really any micro adjustment exercise can show you how to mirco adjust with your wrist
Tenz doesn't use his finger sto aim at all, just wrist and arm ruclips.net/video/Rk34doV-bHY/видео.html
Not to mention that it doesn't really matter how low or high your sens ist as long as you're consistent with it. If it isn't unreasonably high it's fine. Just because you have tenz eDPI it doesn't mean you won't get smoked by someone with a 500 or even higher eDPI.
If you are having trouble with your arm sticking to the table or mousepad, I highly suggest getting a sport sleeve/gaming sleeve. Helps a ton with consistency!
This is the first video that made me try out claw grip. Thank you. I was using the palm grip making me get finger fatigue quickly.
Bro, I see two mistakes you're making. Firstly, you need to be on the edge of the table with about the middle of your forearm, secondly, you need to sit at least 5 cm higher, trust me, then you will have much more freedom of movement
Wow, this was extremely beneficial.
I've switched to using more arm and lowering my sens and its much more natural/consistent, the real thing to get used to is your movement, it will suffer initially from a lower sens. I've found using RawAccell to increase my y-axis sens by 1.2-1.3x makes going low sens much more comfortable, as vertical movements are much more manageable.
Same for me, and I similarly made the adjustment through DPI by setting my x-axis dpi to 400 and y-axis dpi to 600. I realized I naturally wanted to transition to an even lower sensitivity, and the only limiting factor that existed was vertical recoil in certain games (I think it was PubG at the time); That is, if I went any lower I would lose the ability to control gun recoil. This can be a great solution depending on specific limitations
Been arm aiming lately and because I lowered my sensitivity a lot (28 cm/360 to 42) using a small light mouse (the Hati S) made me recover the reactivity I felt I lost after switching to a lower sens
Nice vid Bt! Whether it’s tech review or not everything you make is so helpful.
appreciate that Tams! Hope you’re doing well!
THANKYOU did this mid game and instantly improved. you earned a subscriber
Glad I could help zero!
Loving the new style of this video! Also, my key takeaway to is try and consciously focus on how I'm holding my mouse to find what grip/arm position really benefits me to win more gunfights
Also, just wanted to add that, after watching this, I tried some of the stuff and its really good, can vouch. However, fingertip on low sens (weird combo I know) is also not bad since it does require you to use your arm and have that free pivot. (0.246 @ 800 dpi, if you were wondering what I mean by 'low' sens)
Wait, fingertip on low sens is wierd? Can u explain for me pls, im 1600-0,125(800-0,25)
@@AWib1703 it’s the same sens as ur, mines 0.24 at 800. It’s weird but it works and has its own interesting game play aspects. Do you use fingertip or claw?
do you use fingertip grip or palm grip?
As another fellow arm aimer, sit up and close enough to the desk so that there is a 90 degree right angle from your wrist to your elbow up to the biceps.
Hopefully this helps somebody out.
Why not flare the arm out ?
for those who want to do this but don't know where to start, I'd just look at prosettings and see what the median and mean edpi is, though I'm generally biased towards the median, since it's more outlier resistant. the mean edpi for val is 282 (.352 @800) which equates to about 46 cm 360. looking at the spreadsheet, the median edpi is right about 248-251 (.31-.314 @800 dpi)], or about a 52 cm 360.
If you want to get in the ballpark for a median that's not published on prosettings, just take the spreadsheet, display 25 by page, and go to whatever the halfway point is in terms of number of pages (ie for Val, there are 13 pages, I'd go to page 6 and look at the bottom half)
and if you play a lot of different games and can't arm aim in some of them, that's okay!
This is so useful thank you
I thought I was the only one who looked at the median sens in prose tings
been trying different edpi went from as low as 150 but now im using 500 and i feel fast and accurate
there's no such thing as arm or wrist aim, If you want to be a good aimer in all games, learn to aim with your arm, wrist and fingertips not just one of them
Because if you only aim with wrist and not arm you'll have a hard time playing a game with a lot of tracking and target switching (Apex, Cod) also swiping and turning to shoot an enemy behind will be hard
and if you don't use your fingers it'll be hard to micro adjust with wrist or arm only and shoot small targets or ones that are far away
Though keep in mind if you use palm grip you cant aim with fingers, also if you use very low sensitivity
100% this.
What’s weird is I had the opposite experience. I played at 0.28/800dpi for a few months and was doing alright, but not great. But as soon as I cranked it up to 0.5 my aim got really crispy and I feel more confident taking fights. Good video tho! It’s good to try various sensitivities and styles! It won’t harm your muscle memory, at least not permanently.
you can see in the beginning that his sens was just too low, he needed so long to move his aim to the opponent, that wasnt the gripstyles fault. Just really sluggisch sens/movement.
@@tinychamberz yeah but if you peek with your crosshair already pre aimed on each individual angle low sens is very viable. You just need to have really good crosshair placement and think ahead.
@@riker8214 yes 100%, but he doesnt have that, so he should work on that ^^ i think sens has a range for everyonr, but it can be too low and too high.
@@tinychamberz I chuckled at that. Yup yup man have a good day
IDK how to thank you bro. out of all 'aim improvement guide out there this one definitely helped me the most. After changing my grip to this I literally top fragged games at Plat elo something that was very rare to me hehe thaanks
This comment is enough thank you! This means a lot to me you have no idea! Glad to hear about your progress! Next stop ascendant LFG!
Awesome video explaining arm aiming shared this with my friend group trying to convince them
The easy fix is to
1. Wear an arm sleeve so you don’t have to raise your wrist
2. No such thing as “arm” or “wrist” aiming. Aiming is composed of ALL of your arms. You use your fingers, wrist, and arms at the same time
3. You can most definitely have your wrist on the pad. You can still arm aim with your wrist on the pad. Having your wrist on the pad gives you more control, but less speed. Having your wrist raised gives you less control, but more speed. No “proper” way of “arm” aiming
Really poor advice imo
Hey man,
Thanks for the tip, I'll be practicing more with that !
This method tripled my kills in all my shooters, tha k you
I did similar testing last year for 15 days. Not only trying out different mouse grips, but also sensitivities. Documented all the testing along the way for headshot accuracy, autorifle/SMG tracking, flick, etc. Was quite interesting to see the results and how much better I was at another sens and mouse grip than my usual (+20% better)
Was actually surprised when I changed my sens and wrecked some kids. Just need a good mousepad for tracking because my Equate Plus is pretty mid when it comes to tracking.
thanks so much, this is really helpful!
Glad I could help! Thanks for watching dongfather
thats just the worst tip you can to everyone lol, this only works in some games bro
Sounds like a good tip ,gonna give it a go!
You legend, thanks a lot!!
6:37 cm/360
Mine has been around 45cm/360 for a while now.
Take into account that he's playing valorant, a game where you don't have to do huge mouse movements. I play apex, and sometimes you need to, so 50cm+/360 might be a little too slow.
I've battled arm aiming for so long myself! I felt kinda good after this vid, except I have trouble hitting long range shots/micro adjustments. Do you plant your wrist just for those, or more slight contact?
nope you can still use your wrist its still up on the mouse not planted on the mousepad. It takes some getting used to but you can microadjust easily just takes some getting used to. Hope this helps
@@BTaesthetics So wrist/palm doesn't even graze the pad when micro adjusting? Yeah thanks man, I'm finally getting the hang of arm aim, after years of thinking I did it, having loads of trouble!
@@WisdomPowerCourage yep doesnt touch. It's worth it trust me
@@WisdomPowerCourage what helped me is using your thumb and pinkie to graze the mouse pad for those micro shots
This video was probably the most helpful arm aim guide I've ever seen next to Coach Rambos guides and also I have a question when u play arm do u lift ur arm to avoid it from getting stuck on the table? Or u just rest it on the table and it is what it is😁
Thank you! Glad I could help you out! I rest it but if i have a super fast swipe and need to reset I'll pick up my arm
@@BTaesthetics Ohh wow u replied so fast and thanks but when u like move ur arm up and down like a big movement how do you avoid it from getting stuck on the table? This is my last question I promise, it's just that I've never seen someone explain it better ur amazing man
I'm sorry to interrupt, so can you tell me what you did to avoid it, I can't avoid my arm stuck in until I raise my elbow, not lightly, and have to maintain it all the time in order to move smoothly at all times. It's too easy to get tired and tense to balance with relaxation. I have height adjustable desk, and I've tried all sorts of sitting high and low, and it doesn't help me. It's been bothering me for so long that I haven't been able to avoid it since I found out and don't even want to play games or practice anymore
If you could let me know, I'd appreciate it. Thanks.@@tomasonsynthol8266
Should I plant my arm or should I just let it rest there?
I have been arm aiming like that for a long time now with a hybrid/relaxed claw grip. I never got why so many people are chasing smaller mice and use fingertip. It's a very inconsistent combo because it lacks control and stability. Glad you see you realized this and made a video about it, because people are not talking about it much.
I think the propaganda started because of RJN, however he mainly played Quake games back then. There are a wide variety of different shooters that people play nowadays, and I think relaxed claw like that would work for everything you need.
The main reason I subconsciously started finger tip aiming is because I was death gripping my mouse before hand and using just my finger tips helped me alleviate stress that was being caused because of the tension.
I arm aimed for a long time before that but I always had trouble tracking because I paired it with a super low sensitivity and it also hurt my arm. I’m not sure if I should go back to it but I do agree it’s definitely more consistent.
Its more that light mice help with fingertip the most as it causes way less fatigue on finger muscles, which is one of the main reasons for consistency issues.
And ye depends on what you want precision and reactivity- fingertip, stability and smoothness- palm and claw lens towards either end depending on personal style.
A pure palm with no gap is just dumb though imo. To make use of it a very low sens is a necessity due to the lack of any micro control and if you think outside of the gaming norms you are moving a small cursor around a screen as accurately as possible. Imagine if pens/pencils were a fat circle block with a pen nib on the end. You probably could learn to use it and write well, humans are amazingly adaptable but would you consider that optimal or even efficient? Thats why the "relaxed claw" or loose palm is the only palm grip that makes any sense to me.
BEcause battle royale and fast paced shooters with high recoil (such as pubg) became huge. And they require many different styles of aiming in 1 game at a high level. Light mice are far easier to do everything with, huge heavy mice are only good for slow tactical shooters where all you do is put your crosshair in the right spot and run (ie. really easy and 1 style of aiming only needed)
switched from forward palm grip to finger tip grip and not gonna finger tip has sooo much more room for micro corrections compared to palm or claw grip. depending on the games we play our preference will change to wether which grip is better or worse. for me if were to play fortnite i have to go with palm or claw cuz there is soo much fast paced movement finger tip wont make it. for valorant finger tip can be good but since there is not much verticle movement u can make claw/palm grip work but in apex i feel like finger tip is the best imo cuz of the verticle and horizontal movement in that game.
No wonder I couldn't aim upwards, I was dragging my wrist.
I play with a mix of arm and wrist movement. More arm than wrist. I use a palm/fingertip grip hybrid. I use 800DPI 0.39 In game. I can aim really good sometimes, but then other times i cant hit anything. Im terrible. I have crosshair placement down, i know the angles, maps, agents, abilities. I just cant consistently aim. When it LOOKS like i hit the head (because my crosshair is on their head) i hit the body. People tell me aim higher but if i aim any higher i shoot above them. This is my 1 area of flaw in the game at the moment. Im a plat 3 player, and understand the game. My aim doesnt match my skill level and i want to be able to hit my shots. It will go a long way in helping me improve.
I really appreciate the information! As someone who came from PS4, (primarily Playing Overwatch) I am switching between PS4 and PC, I felt so lost on how to properly control a mouse, even though I use one daily (just not for gaming). The console version of Overwatch has Aim assist, which is nice, but I knew years ago that If i developed a dependency on it, It would be very hard to change later on. Thats why I wanted to set the aim assist lower and lower until I eventually Weaned off of it.
Im just gonna throw this out here. If anyone would like to play Overwatch sometime, let me know. Im a diamond Support, and palt tank + Open Queue on console. but unfortunately I am maybe a silver at best on PC (havent ranked yet)
once again thank you for the video you have helped me get on the right path
it's not necessary to have that gap underneath, it's just the way they hold the mouse or aim. use arm when swiping from front to back. use wrist for micro adjustment (close enemy). Also, crosshair placement.
good aimers can aim well with any grip, movement or sens
when you arm aim, you generally wanna use the bottom of your palm to plant your wrist for the very small adjustments (spraying etc) and then then off the pad when you big swipe, then bring it back to pivot right after the swipe but as always, YMMV. great vid BT
THis, dont actually AIM from your pivot point, just use your pivot point to do your faster swiped. How has no one else said this in the comments lol. So unco and less controllable aiming from an elbow pivot point
I use fingertip grip and a combination of fingertip and wrist aiming for micro adjustments and my arm for bigger initial turns
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Hi bro!! Really nice tips on arm aiming... Can u help me understand the swipes for left and right 90 degrees.. 0.25*800 dpi!! And how to check multiple angles while arm aiming
I'm not sure whether it's for the sake of filming the video, but your desk is way too high. An approx. 90 degree elbow angle is optimal both for aiming mechanics and health.
I don't think it's just about arm aiming alone, it's more a combination of arm and wrist depending on the distance of the target. I also use my fingers for micromovements.
Tnx you help mi alot
Glad I could help Tim!
So do you still stick with this kind of aiming or do you plant your wrist nowadays?
I don’t understand how people can play low dpi and low sens it’s so hard for me. Maybe I don’t have a big enough desk?
Your table is way too high. This will cause tension in a longer time and irritation in the shoulder. i'd recommend lowering it atleast 5cm!
Side questiom, the mousepad you demonstrating the technique, and the one you using playing deathmatch, are those the same size?
That part about waking up playing different every day really resonates with me. Even as an arm Aimer with a 29 inch 360, I still suffer from this.
A really crazy grip is FaZe clan's Twistzz :)
i just switched to kbm. i always arm aim in kovaaks but then i play the game and will wrist aim LOL. ughhhh
homie said my arms too big while there bodybuilders like me who game and wear sleeves fine like have you watched any pro players who also lift
your aim style is called hybrid wrist aiming...
arm aiming require moving your entire arm
Yea I unconsciously did this a few years ago and when I got into trying new mice it made finding the right mouse more annoying since the forward grip makes it harder to comfortably hit the side buttons, something I use a lot for mic mute/pinging in val and ow.
next step for you is working on the crosshair placement :)
yes definitely. Always a work in progress. I'm way better than I was before.
Really big that you included all the different variations of this style. Everyone has differently sized arm muscles/desk elevations/mice/etc, and in order for someone to fairly try out this style, they need to first go through the variations you listed and find their best fit.
this gab is actually bad for your wrist and can cause issues like carpal tunnel
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Cheap solution to arm sticking to table is to just put a bed sheet on the desk lol
i did use wrist aiming cuz i had small mousepad but i switch to a bigger mouse pad and stadt using my whole arm and wrist
it did improve my aim,at the begining ofc i had to train my arm and then after like 2 month i improve my aim
if thats how you sit when u game your desk is either too high, or your chair is too low.
Great stuff!
When I switched I had the same kind of dramatic moment, like oh, I can fully aim now!!
I like to rest my elbow on the armrest of my chair and also have my forearm partially touching the table as well (I really hope this doesn't become a problem when I get a new chair, I'll have to really make sure the armrests are adjustable)
love this, arm aiming is great but u should always try to involve ur wrist into ur aiming style, as n0thing (csgo pro) has said being able to use both is great, since ur arm is used as a pivot for big swings and wrist for small adjustments
also the idea of not having ur wrist planted is also an idea well known in the aiming community, but i love that u figured it out urself, having ur wrist in an elevated position allows for a more range of movement
love the vids man, keep it up!!
I have a similar grip with my wrist lifted, but I use high dpi, 0.04685 on cs go with 25600 dpi (like 3 400 or 1.5 800)
Good video. It's worth saying that is won't work for everyone though. And I think you misspoke your Valorant sens because 2.7 on 800 dpi is REALLLLLLY fast. Either way I think this is a style that's definitely worth trying at least once.
please take those superglides off for this game
Im gunna try arm aiming at my sens on 18.8cm/360 LOL. I almost shit when I saw 60cm/360 I'd get a workout moving my mouse that much jesus
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Wait really dude??
I thought it was just an obvious thing everyone does when arm aiming. You really didnt plant the base of your palm for smaller movements and they just lift it off the pad for larger ones??
No wonder you hated arm aiming if you were dragging your hand and entire arm on the pad XD.
Ps fingertip with low sens arm aiming is just as easy. You could do the same angled arm thing or you could just consciously focus on lifting your wrist when you need to do large movements/ bigger flicks and it will become natural very fast.
Also a sports sleave is a godsend for consistency across a pad regardless of humidity and has the bonus of making gliding your arm on the pad when needed have less friction so its faster and easier.
Anyone know what mousepad that is
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Same case here, always been a high sens user.
When I started CSGO I had no knowldge of mice and what not, I rocked 3.04 sens on a default 1200dpi mouse, then shifted to a 800 dpi mouse and then it was finally time to buy my first cheap gaming mouse, with which I shifted to 400DPI because by then I saw most pros use that. Sens stayed the same 3.04.
I had a relaxed fingertip/palm kinda grip with all mice, similar to s1mple's grip. I have big hands.
I was always a wrist aimer, with shaky aim but the sens allowed me to be a AWP god.
Then I bought the g304 which was smaller and narrower than my previous mouse ( it had the deathadder shape )
I was forced to change my grip because my hand used to cramp cause of the smaller mouse.
I change to a palm grip and shifted my sens to 2.0
Ever since then I have been so much more consistent and on par with anyone on the server.
Averaging 20 frags is so easy now.
Requires minimum warmup.
I prefer using mid sens like 32cm/360 for Arm Aiming because you can do a full 360 on a 45cm mousepad which is insanely useful in games with alot of angle switching while still being able to use my wrist and fingers when aiming, so I use the arm to flick close to the target and use wrist and fingers to adjust to head instead of aiming using the arm only.
What is your sens ?
Loving this type of content bro and in detail too. Been messing around with my arm aiming too to get it more consistent so this came clutch. Keep it up!
Good aim is so satisfying
Bad aim is FRUSTRAITING
This is how I naturally aim. Tried wrist touching down on desk and it’s to uncomfortable
you're just not used to it wrist touching down on desk gives better control
You should make a second channel and just upload random gameplays. Us viewers would appreciate/enjoy it and you would have an entire channel with footage you can analyse whenever you are trying to figure out a weakness in your aim.
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im the exact opposite i used to be an arm aimer but felt super in consistent and slow. Going to a high sens, mastering it and switching to wrist aiming really made me level up alot. I know have a 38.8% headshot rate on valo tracker with 52$ headshot rate on the vandal respectively.
just go get a sleeve
Welcome to the low sensitivity gang. I currently run Valorant on 0.26 in game with 400dpi. For the others, its ~123cm/360
is it common after playing for 10minutes trying to arm aim my arm gets really tired holding my arm off my pad after years of resting my arm from wrist aiming or do i just need to work out more lol
What makes the wrist be the pivot point is the little pressure we add to it so we can "plant" the wrist on the mousepad, you don't need to hover your wrist, just try practicing to your mouse without any pressure on the wrist, guys
Bt see niko he is the best arm aimer in csgo and dont lift your wrist up i am an arm aimer i play with 0.474 ingame sens 400 dpi. In the beginning its hard but just keep ur wrist normally and in no time u will be aiming very good. One more tip try out ergo mouse for arm aiming its lot easier to arm aim with ergo mouse in the beggining so u can try it.
I used to arm aim now mostly just wrist went from 0.243 1600 or like 0.485 800 dpi to exactly double so 0.485 1600 dpi or 0.97 800 dpi. Use the superlight love flicks still like arm aim for massive movements or just wutever feels comfortable at the moment just autopilot for aim yk it just works
I’ve had some success with my wrist floating off the mousepad, only thing is I have my shoulder soreness.
wrist and hand position is kinda help tho, but i m already comfort with my grip. im personaly prefer heavy mouse old school but using high dpi, i dunno my sensivity is 25 in Rainbow six and dpi 2000
I also raise my wrist and aim with my arm. I play with ultra low sensitivity. So my target is perfect. In game 6 sensy 800 dpi (normal sensy) - ADS 6 sensy 200 dpi. (snipermode) (Ultra low sensy)
2:00 , if you have a problem with thag i usually use a basketball arm sleeve your arm will just glide on the mouse pad
Another good way to find tune your sense is to put your mouse at center (resting / neutral) position on your mouse pad, and swipe to the right, when the mouse reaches the side of your mousepad, you should have completed a 180. That way you can quickly 180 and never worry about turning too far. It’s a good way to start building muscle memory.
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Yo can you tell us what you did to train your new aim stye? did you just play the game or aimlabs/range/dm?
I arm aim myself on .35 1600dpi in valorant as low sense kills me. I hit more shots on a higher sens somehow. Video was very insightful especially the elevated wrist part. I never thought about that.
if you though stew’s grip was kinda cray look at twistzzz
haha i've seen his too
I already don’t put my wrist on the pad and I just noticed today LOL
lol this is so crazy, I have been doing the same for the past couple weeks and own both the sl and the gpu, when I first started arm aiming I was running a corder pad but with a sleeve as minimize friction as much as possible with keeping wrist on the pad to remain comfortable but in the last week or so have switched to the gpx(larger so I feel more comfortable since its longer with more of a rear bump) on the artisan zero(sleeve doesn't seem to reduce friction on this pad) for more control and have been messing with my grip to avoid my wrist friction. glad I found this video I was thinking about going back my starlight with the sleeve but now I think im gonna continue with getting comfortable with the new grip