Sure but you can't look into an outpost with Google maps. Also Lots of decoy defenses exist to confuse spy planes and satellites. They do have a legitimate concern if people are taking pictures of military bases. You can see what kind of weapons they have and their ammunition type with a high end camera. You can only get so much Intel from satellite images. This is why tourists get arrested all the time cause they see a military base and take pictures cause they think it's cool. But they usually let you go after making you delete the pictures. But if you're using a nice camera to get detailed photos then they take it more seriously. That being said their sentencing was excessive. Especially since they returned to the country for it 😅. But guess they just wanted to make an example of them lol
I have served on that island 20 years ago, and i can tell you the army was very paranoid with the island. The fact is this island is vital to the Nations defense ofcourse i never believed they were actual spies but thats how goverments operate. You always have to prove you are not an elephant and if they indeed were taking pics of camps that just looks bad. They surely didnt have bad intention but the authorities couldnt have known that without investigating it. Ether way im glad they are free, and i advise our visiting friends please dont photograph military instalations without a permit.
Yeah I possibly could/should have mentioned that tensions were somewhat high at the time with Turkey if I remember correctly. As crazy as the arrests seem to us now, the island is definitely a crucial part of the Nations defense and they were well within their rights to make the arrests. Just glad the guys got to go home to their families without too much delay.
@@RaidensPMC sounds like an internal government problem, if they couldn't actually prove it was spying and the data wasn't collected for Turkey for example or any other particular party, they should've got a fine for pics without a permit at most.
I've worked with Ivan for a few years and now share the studio with Martin. Both solid guys and passionate devs. When i first heard about this whole charade i couldn't believe it. I'm glad that they are out tho - and healthy and still hammering away on games. Not even Greek prison can take that kinda fire away from you it seems.
Oh wow that's awesome! they both have very impressive resumes and the ARMA community is lucky to have them! Send them my regards and I think I speak for the whole community when I say we are very glad it worked out for the best in the long run.
I'm sorry, I know this video is about the captured dev. But everytime someone mentions the use of ARMA 3 footage on actual, serious, & allegedly real news still amuses me.
Uhm every super power have those flying objects that scan/film/photo the earth 24/7. You know those orbit floating thingies that humans use for weather forecast, fire detection, mapping, observing enemies etc. Satellite's.
Unfortunate story, but rules is rules. Too bad this occurred in such a lovely place as I found the people there so welcoming. I highly recommend visiting Lemnos for anyone considering it. It quickly became one of my favorite places on the planet. My wife and I are going back in the spring :)
I remember something similar happening with arma or at least i think it was arma where a developer somehow got their hands on the real blueprints for some USA military plane and was using those plans to create a perfect replica in the game. Does this sound familiar? I cant find anything about this on google but I remember it being a pretty big deal , maybe not
I feel like I heard about this but I don't imagine it would be something they would be excited to have all over the internet. Also would not be surprised if it was a hoax.
@@kountrygunz2032 Nothing major,... just involved in the leaks of more than a dozen classified military op manuals and vehicle system documents... T90M, ZTZ99A APFSDS, F15's Radar, Chally 2, Eurocopter Tiger, etc
Hey Raiden, this might be a tall ask.. I've watched a lot of your Antistasi videos; and I'd want to know if you'd be interested in trying a completely new form of Antistasi per se? I run a community that has its own in house built alteration of Antistasi, where we use an autonomous AI module to create a dynamic and persistant story. Just wanted to know if you're interested in trying it out, we're a small community, but very focused on quality.
Because one was physically photographing a military installation on the ground, the other just gets classified info posted in their forums from unsatisfied players.
They rejected the proof that they were literally video game devs and were making a map dedicated to their islands, it really is stupid. Like surely they'd have to prove that it was an act of espionage? Like who they were spying for and whether the organisation they obtained the data for were capable of acting upon the it... Don't agree with it at all, if they couldn't prove it was spying, should've got a fine at most for taking pictures without a permit, that's it.
@@flexdon5188 but it was spying, if it wasnt they would ask for a permit. If you photograph any military base without permission it is spying, even for personal usage. It was spying for video game development but also they could have ties with any Turkish side who would know. They did awesome job though with altis.
@@alexkarpen fine, technically "spying", but the charges were for espionage, which they can't prove. "Who would know?" The accusing party should know, it's supposed to be innocent until proven guilty, not the other way round. 2 years suspended sentence for some pictures is bs 😂 it should've been a fine for no permit. P.S "... tensions are high between us and another country atm so our professionalism goes out the window so we must make an example of these video game nerds for taking pictures.."
@@flexdon5188 i agree with the largest portion of your comment, but as far as i know in military matters in Greece ~"it's supposed to be innocent until proven guilty"~ if you get caught in the act you are guilty till you prove your innocence without any grain of doubt. I think that applies also to US and most Military oriented cases accross the globe. The bs of the greek side was that they used this case to show that they are not fooling around with security. Devs had good intentions but they got tangled in a semi political statement.
@@alexkarpen well yeah I agree fully, your last part nails it on the head tbh, it sucks because the arma dev team is essentially promoting their country and islands with the map Altis and they get prison time for it, just a crappy situation really. P.S been to Greece, love the country and people, but for me a lot of their government stuff is very questionable in general imo lol, but that's just me 😂
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Greek officials are going to have an aneurysm once they learn about the existence of the internet and google maps.
😂😂😂😂😂😅
Breaking: Greece fines Google two undecillion euros for espionage using Google Maps (enough money to fix the greek economy)
Sure but you can't look into an outpost with Google maps. Also Lots of decoy defenses exist to confuse spy planes and satellites. They do have a legitimate concern if people are taking pictures of military bases. You can see what kind of weapons they have and their ammunition type with a high end camera. You can only get so much Intel from satellite images.
This is why tourists get arrested all the time cause they see a military base and take pictures cause they think it's cool.
But they usually let you go after making you delete the pictures. But if you're using a nice camera to get detailed photos then they take it more seriously.
That being said their sentencing was excessive. Especially since they returned to the country for it 😅. But guess they just wanted to make an example of them lol
Pobably ! Till the greek Euro crisis their Ministry of finance did the Accounting on paper.
It was not that important back in the time, and there is still act of spying by sending people direvtly on site to get revent data
I have served on that island 20 years ago, and i can tell you the army was very paranoid with the island. The fact is this island is vital to the Nations defense ofcourse i never believed they were actual spies but thats how goverments operate. You always have to prove you are not an elephant and if they indeed were taking pics of camps that just looks bad. They surely didnt have bad intention but the authorities couldnt have known that without investigating it. Ether way im glad they are free, and i advise our visiting friends please dont photograph military instalations without a permit.
Yeah I possibly could/should have mentioned that tensions were somewhat high at the time with Turkey if I remember correctly. As crazy as the arrests seem to us now, the island is definitely a crucial part of the Nations defense and they were well within their rights to make the arrests.
Just glad the guys got to go home to their families without too much delay.
@@RaidensPMC sounds like an internal government problem, if they couldn't actually prove it was spying and the data wasn't collected for Turkey for example or any other particular party, they should've got a fine for pics without a permit at most.
I can see you put a lot of work into this one. It's got to be your best video so far. Keep on it broski!
haha yea it took far longer to make than any 6min vid should lol thanks bro!
I had never heard of this story. Great video!
Thanks man 🤙
After 5.4k hours on altis i still didn't knew it was a real life map.. Crazyy
So is stratis. Its near altis(lemnos)
Great quality for such a small channel, you deserve more subscribers, keep up the good work.
Hey thanks man! will do!
One day I will be going to Lemnos simply to see if I could navigate the island without a map, will keep you guys updated
Hahaha let me know how you go!
Yo come to germany lets go together
@scrawn9721 maybe bro, I was thinking about renting a few quad bikes to explore the island
I feel it, I would also do it lol,
Famous last line will be "Is that the church from Oreokastro? Or is this Kavala?"
@@TheArmarist42 Goddammit Miller!
I've worked with Ivan for a few years and now share the studio with Martin. Both solid guys and passionate devs. When i first heard about this whole charade i couldn't believe it. I'm glad that they are out tho - and healthy and still hammering away on games. Not even Greek prison can take that kinda fire away from you it seems.
Oh wow that's awesome! they both have very impressive resumes and the ARMA community is lucky to have them! Send them my regards and I think I speak for the whole community when I say we are very glad it worked out for the best in the long run.
I wonder if this affected the plot of ARMA 3 in any way, especially the way the local faction was portrayed.
I'm sorry, I know this video is about the captured dev. But everytime someone mentions the use of ARMA 3 footage on actual, serious, & allegedly real news still amuses me.
Uhm every super power have those flying objects that scan/film/photo the earth 24/7. You know those orbit floating thingies that humans use for weather forecast, fire detection, mapping, observing enemies etc. Satellite's.
Yeah I hear ya, but I guess the law is the law.
@@RaidensPMC law is the flaw* ;)
Satellite imagery only tells half the story, you get much more accurate intel by having satellite and on the ground photos/video combined.
Unfortunate story, but rules is rules. Too bad this occurred in such a lovely place as I found the people there so welcoming. I highly recommend visiting Lemnos for anyone considering it. It quickly became one of my favorite places on the planet. My wife and I are going back in the spring :)
I remember something similar happening with arma or at least i think it was arma where a developer somehow got their hands on the real blueprints for some USA military plane and was using those plans to create a perfect replica in the game. Does this sound familiar? I cant find anything about this on google but I remember it being a pretty big deal , maybe not
perhaps it was warthunder?
That sounds like DCS. One of the developers got arrested for trying to smuggle F-16 manuals out of the US.
I feel like I heard about this but I don't imagine it would be something they would be excited to have all over the internet. Also would not be surprised if it was a hoax.
Ahhh that's right I remember now.
@@wingrchy8646 Yes! I think this is exactly what it was. Pretty crazy honestly
If Bohemia Interactive could get their devs arrested, how come Gaijin managed not to get caught? 😭
what did gaijin do?
@@kountrygunz2032 forums of leaked military documents 😆
@@kountrygunz2032 Nothing major,... just involved in the leaks of more than a dozen classified military op manuals and vehicle system documents... T90M, ZTZ99A APFSDS, F15's Radar, Chally 2, Eurocopter Tiger, etc
@@JTF2C2 because users of their forum did that, not their staff.
Because users of their forum leaked military documents, not their staff.
3:43 Ain't no way they got caught and immediately got sent to the lesbian island
Hahaha I read about this while doing my research...
@RaidensPMC missed opportunity for a comedic break
Really nice video keep up the good work
Cheers Sam!
I remember seeing the order of investigation on the bohemia interactive company back in 2017
What an intriguing case
To familiarize myself with foreign courts I have to do some strenuous research...
now I have to Google Lesbos Judges
Good video, keep up this style and I think you’ll see a lot of growth!
Thanks heaps, that would be awesome!
Awesome video brother!
great video. I also had not heard of this. very interesting story
Thanks man, I appreciate it!
Nice video! Hadnt heard of this and I followed Arma pretty closely.
Thanks man, same here actually, I just happened to stumble across it while I was looking for other ARMA related stuff.
Hey Raiden, this might be a tall ask.. I've watched a lot of your Antistasi videos; and I'd want to know if you'd be interested in trying a completely new form of Antistasi per se? I run a community that has its own in house built alteration of Antistasi, where we use an autonomous AI module to create a dynamic and persistant story. Just wanted to know if you're interested in trying it out, we're a small community, but very focused on quality.
Hey that sounds interesting, hit me up on Discord and we can chat! My discord link is in the description.
If Two of the Bohemia Interactive Devs get arrested for Espionage. Then why the hell is Gaijin did not get arrested for the same Purpose!?!?!?!?
the devs don't use classified information to create vehicles in war thunder.
Because one was physically photographing a military installation on the ground, the other just gets classified info posted in their forums from unsatisfied players.
Don’t go to a foreign country and take pictures of military bases.
again?
Nice video mate
Thanks man!
So they played Altis Life before anyone else did?
Is that why reforger has a fictional map? Or am I wrong
Pretty sure Everon is based on a real location too, its an Operation Flashpoint map if I'm not mistaken. Reforger just reused the map.
Awesome video babe 👏😍😘
Haha cheers babe! 😘
Thanks, that was interesting
No worries, thanks for taking the time to check it out!
first time watching this chanel is high quraty
WAIT ALTIS IS REAL!?
Yes
lemnos and agios efstratios, are altis and stratis respectively irl
i guess now we know why they weren't able to fix the bugs all these years 💁♂
arma 3 russian side off the front line whit nato map when???
If you want that, bite the bullet and get reforger. Every mf on there is playing that.
@@ImSoChildishDoe We really are, WCS Servers in particular are a blast!!
"greek justice" what a joke of a justice system...
They rejected the proof that they were literally video game devs and were making a map dedicated to their islands, it really is stupid.
Like surely they'd have to prove that it was an act of espionage? Like who they were spying for and whether the organisation they obtained the data for were capable of acting upon the it...
Don't agree with it at all, if they couldn't prove it was spying, should've got a fine at most for taking pictures without a permit, that's it.
@@flexdon5188 but it was spying, if it wasnt they would ask for a permit. If you photograph any military base without permission it is spying, even for personal usage. It was spying for video game development but also they could have ties with any Turkish side who would know. They did awesome job though with altis.
@@alexkarpen fine, technically "spying", but the charges were for espionage, which they can't prove.
"Who would know?" The accusing party should know, it's supposed to be innocent until proven guilty, not the other way round.
2 years suspended sentence for some pictures is bs 😂 it should've been a fine for no permit.
P.S "... tensions are high between us and another country atm so our professionalism goes out the window so we must make an example of these video game nerds for taking pictures.."
@@flexdon5188 i agree with the largest portion of your comment, but as far as i know in military matters in Greece
~"it's supposed to be innocent until proven guilty"~
if you get caught in the act you are guilty till you prove your innocence without any grain of doubt. I think that applies also to US and most Military oriented cases accross the globe.
The bs of the greek side was that they used this case to show that they are not fooling around with security. Devs had good intentions but they got tangled in a semi political statement.
@@alexkarpen well yeah I agree fully, your last part nails it on the head tbh, it sucks because the arma dev team is essentially promoting their country and islands with the map Altis and they get prison time for it, just a crappy situation really.
P.S been to Greece, love the country and people, but for me a lot of their government stuff is very questionable in general imo lol, but that's just me 😂
i think you mean a Lesbian prison
What the hells is with all the good video or nice video compliments. Its like 90% of the damned comments
I guess they liked they liked the vid... I certainly appreciate it.
@@RaidensPMC liked it but just don't know what to say so they default to it
What😮
Ancient greek news
Yah but why the fug would they invade there 😂
Cool
Hehe Lesbos prison on Lesbos island.
They should in Jail on what they done in Arma Reforger
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