AMD Ryzen 9 7900X Review - 20 Games Tested (vs 12900K, 5950X)
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- Опубликовано: 15 июл 2024
- Testing the AMD Ryzen 9 7900X CPU - Get yours here: geni.us/FmVsyhk
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Test rigs:
AMD 7000 Series
CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 7900X geni.us/FmVsyhk
Motherboard - ASRock X670E Taichi geni.us/S1HHPz9
Memory - 32GB Corsair Dominator Platinum RGB DDR5-6000 (2x16)
Cooling - Corsair H150i Elite LCD
GPU - MSI GeForce RTX 3090 SUPRIM X geni.us/lyexj
PSU - Seasonic Prime Platinum 1300W geni.us/hqKXxw
OS - Windows 11 PRO 21H1
Intel 12th Gen
CPU: Intel Core i9-12900K geni.us/8ew3
Motherboard - ASUS ROG Maximus Z690 HERO geni.us/rMCmKs
Memory - 32GB Corsair Vengeance RGB DDR5-6000 (2x16)
Cooling - Corsair H115i Elite Capellix geni.us/KmTgON
GPU - MSI GeForce RTX 3090 SUPRIM X geni.us/lyexj
PSU - Seasonic Prime Platinum 1300W geni.us/hqKXxw
OS - Windows 11 PRO 21H1
AMD 5000 Series
CPU - AMD Ryzen 9 5950X geni.us/0T74gI
Motherboard - ASUS ROG Crosshair VIII Dark Hero geni.us/4gfEr6e
Memory - 32GB Corsair Vengeance RGB DDR4-3600 geni.us/7LNXlg (4x8)
Cooling - Corsair H115i Elite Capellix geni.us/KmTgON
GPU - MSI GeForce RTX 3090 SUPRIM X geni.us/lyexj
PSU - Seasonic Prime Platinum 1300W geni.us/hqKXxw
OS - Windows 11 PRO 21H1
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- All boards were set to their defaults, with only EXPO/XMP memory settings applied.
- Core Isolation was disabled (the default for Windows 11 with all 3 setups)
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Timestamps:
0:00 - Introduction
1:17 - New AMD Ryzen 7000 CPUs (7950X, 7900X, 7700X, 7600X)
2:23 - New AM5 Platform
3:04 - AMD Ryzen 9 7900X
3:59 - Quick Test Bench Overview (Full Details in description)
4:25 - Multi-Thread CPU Performance (incl Power Consumption)
6:02 - Single-Thread CPU Performance
6:24 - 20 Games Tested (1080p, 1440p, 4K)
9:57 - Summary - Ryzen 9 7900X vs Ryzen 9 5950X
10:23 - Summary - Ryzen 9 7900X vs Core i9-12900K 1080p
10:58 - Summary - Ryzen 9 7900X vs Core i9-12900K 1440p
11:13 - Summary - Ryzen 9 7900X vs Core i9-12900K 4K
11:33 - Final Thoughts & Purchase considerations
Disclosure:
- This product was provided by AMD for the purpose of testing. As per my own guidelines, they don't get any say about anything in this video or any of my other reviews. It's not sponsored by them, they also didn't get to preview this video beforehand, or any other nonsense like that. My reviews reflect my own views, nothing more, nothing less.
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Correction: at 7:00 the graph says "Gears of War". That should be "God of War" 🤐
Stephan? xD
@@bojke91 not nice to point fingers. So I’ll just discreetly nod
On your thumbnail, the pictures are switched around as well amd is on the intel side and intels picture is on the amd side. Not sure if it was intended but it doesn’t seem like it
@@ryeb73 it wasn’t intended, but the text also wasn’t meant to match the box.
Don’t mind the extra attention it’s getting though hehe
Now you have to clarify your position. Are you a PS or Xbox fan girl?
Good job with the review . Can't wait to see the new GPUs
Excellent review, it remains to wait for the release of video cards. Thank you!
Thank you for the comprehensive testing.
Thank you very much for including division 2 and outriders, great video, very helpful
Great review as always. Thank you. 🙂
Thanks for including 1440p and 4K in gaming benchmark!
Como siempre un análisis espectacular, ahora toca esperar los reviews de la serie 13 de intel y tomar decisiones, saludos desde chile.
Nice balanced review. Thank you and have a great day.
I like that you display the benchmarks for all resolutions at once per game. I do think it would be great though to see the minimum 1% low fps for all benchmarks though, as this matters a lot and actually can make a difference between CPU architectures, also at higher resolutions. Normally, at higher resolutions, it is the GPU that limits the FPS, but you can still have those small moments where the CPU is the bottleneck. And thus a stronger CPU can also matter at higher resolutions, but you won't see this in the average FPS benchmarks.
Regardless, still a big thanks for the review. Thumbs up.
Shes not a gamer
really nice review, lots of info was shown
Looking forward to your review of the Ryzen 7700X. I think that's the cpu sweet spot for these new AMD cpus.
I watch every single one of your videos... I love your accent and hearing information from you is amazing :) thanks for the hard work
It's a fine chip, but with the entry costs for DDR5 and X670 motherboards I'm feeling particularly happy that went with my Ryzen 5900x/RTX3080 combo last November instead of waiting for the next gen, as was my initial plan. With the shitshow that was the Nvidia launch, I feel like I'll be sticking with the current setup for at least the next 5 years.
If AMD wanted to win over more people to jump onto the new platform they needed a bigger lead imo. Should've launched with 3D V-cache and give the new chips the same boost it gave the 5800X. Feels like an expensive sidegrade. I just ordered the new board with a 7900X and some RAM, hoping that the X3D variants are worth it early next year. I'll pass this current hardware on to family members but upgrading has felt better in the past than it did this time ngl.
You have such a powerful PC with those specs, you really should be good for 5+ years. Look at my brother. He refuses to upgrade his PC. He's running an 8th gen i7 with an RX 480 Red Devil 8GB and his PC is surprisingly still powerful. He has had his 480 since launch and when I bust his balls about running a geriatric GPU, he reminds me of how much he got his moneys worth.
@@jameysummers1577 Old CPUs and GPUs can get a lot of mileage. I was hanging onto a 10 year old i5 3570K and just upgraded to a 5900x. But, I've always been more of a console gamer, so buying new PC parts was never a top priority for me.
@@kodan582 I agree. At least for gaming. I think most smart gamers will wait for 3DV. But I would recommend getting a newer GPU if going 1440p or 4k or there may not be many benefits. Maybe better 1% lows.
@@jameysummers1577 I am with your brother. No need to chase change every generation and get full use out of your system. My system is 10 years old and it's still doing well, so I got a whole lot of price to performance out of it. I won the cost game with this build. I am upgrading this year though.
Great review. As always ;). Cheers!
Excellent explanation! Keep up the good video’s!! I am looking forward to the 4090ti video🤪🤪
Also nice to see anyone who bought a 5000 Ryzen playing at 1440p or 4k is still basically near or on par with the new 7000 Ryzen cpus, and the bottleneck is still the GPU in almost all scenarios. Except maybe some of these dated engines running purely off clock speeds, but its irrelevant anyways whether you're getting 400fps or 450fps .. Thanks for the great review as always Nada.
My pleasure!
I was thinking the same thing; looks like I am sticking with my 5900x for a bit still
Been thinking about upgrading the 5950x to the 7950x 3d vcache version and a Radeon 7950 XT BUT if those tests at 4k remain GPU bottle necked I'll keep the 5950x for a bit longer.
5900X 3080 ❤
Very nice! Can't wait to get my hands on these new zen4 CPUs!
Great video, you just gained a new sub 😊👍
Heel benieuwd naar de prestaties dadelijk als beide 4000 en 7000 series van Nvidia en AMD videokaarten er zijn. 3 november weten we welke configuratie het beste is.
Thanks for being one of the very few channels providing 4k benchmarks. I don't understand why the "big" tech channels leave out 4k benchmarks (often even 1440p). Why would I care how a 500$ cpu runs a bunch of games in 1080p? I want to know if makes any difference at 4k, which is probably a more realistic scenario for anyone buying a top-tier CPU (or in my case 3840x1600, which is close enough).
As it clearly does not, I don't have to worry about having to upgrade my 5900x in the foreseeable future.
Maybe one day we will even get VR benchmarks... well, at least one can only dream :')
Good unbiased review, and with products in the same price category.
GJ!
I eexpected you to wear redd, but still review was great
Great review, very detailed
Thank you!
You got a sub!
Excellent knowledgeable video.
Thank you I have a 5800X3D, and I play all my games at 1440P or 4K, so those results matter the most for me, and I will be fine for a couple years based on all the results I've seen today! Great Review!
Thank you!
was thinking this myself. currently have a 9900k and the jump from a 5800x3D seems significant. Was also going to get a 3090ti as well.
@@Cheatman5 I have a 5800X3D in a Gigabyte X570 Master, and a 6900XT RedDevil, with SAM enabled, HDMI 2.1 and Freesync Premium and HDR enabled on my LG 55" C1, all the games I play are magnificent!!
@@vaeloreonari7516 😦😦😳🥺🥺🥺
@@nishant5655 🤣
Wow Amazing 🤩❤ Thank you for Review 😎
My pleasure!
Well presented and explained. Kudos!
Does AMD use fewer checksums than Intel, and if so does this produce more execution errors?
Is it a good idea to combine an AMD CPU with an Nvidia graphics card, or an Intel CPU with a Radeon graphics card?
Is AMD more compatible with Linux than Intel is?
I like your charts. Big.
Finally a great Ryzen 7900X review. I think im gonna go for Team Red this time Ryzen 9 7900X plus the upcoming Radeon RX 7900XT.
Thank you! And hope it helped.
I can just wait for Ada/RDNA 3 without bothering with the Ryzen 7000 series. My 5900X will still be more than enough for 4K. Thanks, Nada, a great review as always.
I'm planning on upgrading my aging 8700K and now is the best time to do it. But Intel and AMD is not making it easy for me with these choices. Thank you for your detailed and balanced comparison. 👍
Maybe wait just a few weeks more :)
why upgrade a perfectly capable cpu
@@TechTesters YES! :)
i have i7 8700 and my 5yr upgrade is up and i cant decide
Today my R9 5900X finally became 'obsolete' 🤔 😁 It'll be AM4 for me for quite some time to come. Still awesome new CPU! Super video zoals gebruikelijk! :)
Whenever I do upgrade - probably the 2nd or 3rd iteration of CPUs for the AM5 socket (that is IF AMD will support that through multiple CPU generations like AM4) - I'll not be looking forward to installing an LGA socket CPU 😓. Last time I tried LGA was when I accidentally dropped my i7 4790K on the socket. Tried to bend the pins back with a 'sate-prikker' but gave up. Ran out and got a Ryzen back then.
Not really, in R23 it got 21% better score, but it also costs accordingly. So 5900X is still a viable choice of a CPU.
I think the platform will live on for a while as a budget option, since there is no AM5 DDR4 option.
If you have a 5900X, I'd probably wait a bit as well :P
??????? absolete for just 5 or 7 fps less???
AM5 makes me consider AM4 or current Intel build. Prices, power draw, ddr5, cooling all are getting a bit ridiculous for me.
Especially considering that there are reviews out there that show that the 5800X3D is still the king in most cases. (In gaming)
And I imagine the prices for the 7000 series CPUs will be ridiculous where I live.
I'd personally give it a bit of time first before deciding.
@@TechTesters I'll wait for everything for this year to be out and available. I'm still on a ddr3 system so everything will be a huge upgrade.
@@telekarma stop it!!! Your iPhone is faster... You could have went 3200g and been set. Why do people keep stating how old their stuff is for cool factor.... Come out of 2001 and voodoo gpus
@@phillysupra what's wrong with that? It will be an eye opening upgrade experience for sure.
Amd makes their products in my country (Malaysia) but sells them at a higher price than other countries, a 6800xt cost around 900 usd & 5600x costs 220 usd
I like your conclusion. For new buyers of a computer and might have a slight advantage for mid-range gamers and content creators due to the platform being new and upgradeability being possible for 3 or more generations. I doubt most gamers upgrade their CPU. In that case 3800x3d seems a way better option but I am a laptop guy I no longer build desktops. My last GPU was a vodoo. :)
" I doubt most gamers upgrade their CPU"
No that would be very wrong.
Intel buyers have typically not upgraded their CPUs because the MB have only supported 2 generations of CPUs.
AMD buyers on the other hand are very different, or the ones who have bought AMD systems for many years. An AMD buyer IF they buy into one of these new MBs, the MB is the focus, not the CPU because it's the MB you're going to have for many years. Then, when AMD puts out the last gen of CPUs for the socket, they upgrade to a CPU from that last gen for the socket. If you bought a nice MB at the beginning instead of a budget one with slower interfaces, less ports, etc.... then usually that last CPU upgrade makes the system almost as good as anything new, and then a GPU upgrade adds years to that platform for gaming.
So, one MB purchase, 2 CPU and 2 GPU purchases gives you a system that lasts 5 - 7 years and is always a good system over that entire time period. That's how it went for AM4, especially if you bought in when X570 came out and put a Zen+ CPU on it, and then upgraded to the 5800X3D for the best gaming performance. And that's how it's going to be for AM5, if you buy into this first gen.
I doubt AM5 has more than 3 gens of CPUs though because DDR6 is going to become important very fast. These CPUs are getting SO good and there's the ability to add quite a few more cores, but with only 2 channel memory, DDR5 isn't going to be good enough for adding another 1.5X to 2X the cores.
Finally a 7900X review. RUclips is filled with 7950X reviews. I am sticking with my 5900X. Keep up the great work you guys and stay safe.
im planning to look into this once I jump on the DDR 5 train. Currently content w r the 12900k oced @ 5.1ghz
Thanks! :D
I’m still waiting for an actual 7700x cpu review
@@Mooseguy15 gamers nexus just released one
@@adamtajhassam9188 I am also on a 12900k. I see zero reason to even consider this or 13th gen from what I have seen.
Good video as always.
Perhaps I am too old, i am one of those who don't care if a game goes over 60fps and even than only for fast action games where quick reaction time is needed.
From the gaming results I see no point in picking one over the other, at least for performance gains. 5 or 10 frames for games in the 400s, 200s, or even the 100s is for me nothing to spend any time on.
Having said that, out of curiosity I wonder how much faster in real life (not synthetic benchmarks) to my own old i7 5960X running at stock speeds. No I am not considering upgrading, I am poor, just curious.
For me 144hz doesn't make my eyes tired, so I can play games longer without eye strain.
@@fynkozari9271 Fair enough. I have no such issue, but then again I use a computer 18 hours a day for the last 30+ years so, yeah.
Awesome video, but I have a couple of questions/comments about the testing methodology. (please note these arent intended a criticisms, more just queries)
First when summing up the differences between the 12900k and the 7900's power requirements ( 2:15 ), although these are the stated power requirements AMD and Intel measure these very diffrently, Intel measure peak power at boost clock, where as AMD measure peak power at base clock (as I understand it) and claims have been made a truer comparison would be AMD measuring at 230W to Intels 250W in a more apples to apples comparison.
Next regarding the test bench set up, while imposible to have an exact comparison to test only the processor there is a large difference in the RAM used, The 12900k is using standard Corsair Vengance 6000 (in the UK at least this costs £260) where as the 7900 is using the far more expensive and more optimised Corsair Dominator Platinum 6000 which at £325 comes in at £65 more, while perhaps the change in performance would be minimal, the same RAM could be run on both systems reducing any variation because of the change.
Lastly using an RTX 3090 is awesome altough only using a 850w power supply for such a power hungry card AND with such high power peaks on the processors could become restrictive and bottle neck boost clocks. MSI recommend using a 1000W power supply as a minimum for their RTX 3090s and the SUPRIM card is at the higher end of their performance and in turn the powerdraw of the card that was used in your testing. While 850W will run it could possibly restrict the consistency of the frame rates resulting in inacurate 1% lows.
Anyways, I did very much enjoy the video, and as I say these arent meant as criticisms, just curious as to how the results you got were acheived, and either way what I claimed may benifit Ryzen or Intel in either direction.
Never hesitate to ask an honest question :)
- TDP isn't comparable between Intel and AMD but it still gives a rough idea what to expect, especially when comparing AMD to AMD. I show actual power use during the blender render later in the video. Either way peak consumption is up, while still better than 12th gen.
- These AMD DDR5 kits just launched, so they'll be a bit more expensive. That'll settle soon enough. This video should still be valuable in a few weeks or months, so I'm not going to deep dive on each component price. Also dominators are more expensive just because of their looks. If Corsair had sent the Vengeance DDR5 kit for AMD which uses the same chips afaik, I'd have used that, and it wouldn't have made a difference.
- Related: We try to do what a reasonable consumer would do. Setting XMP/EXPO is OK, fine-tuning secondary/tertiary timings is not something they'll do. That might be a seperate video, but not part of a typical review.
- The 850W PSU listing was a copy/paste from the previous description, we actually upgraded most benches a while ago just to avoid issues with more extreme GPUs. I'll fix the description.
- But, we did have some tests before using a 850W PSU with a 12900K + 3090 and then the same rig with the new 1300W PSU to see if it made a difference, but that showed no difference at all. A high quality 850W PSU really shouldn't affect the performance of these sets negatively.
Hope that helps.
If you are doing a full upgrade or buying a new desktop PC I would lean toward AMD since Intel is only going to do 2 CPU's per socket/chipset while AMD has committed to at least 3 (unless I'm mistaken).
They said at least 2025 if I'm not mistaken, so 3-4 generations maybe? We'll see though, but I doubt it'll be worse than Intel :P
@@TechTesters I think everyone's crystal ball is saying 3 generations but AMD is keeping those cards close to their chest.
I am so happy I snagged up the AMD Ryzen-9 7950X for $550 when the price dipped for 30 minutes, then it jumped back up to $660.
Its going to be upgrading my AMD FX-8350 cpu, thats on a Gigabyte 990FX board. (a 2010 system that desperately needs an upgrade) 🤐
I am planning on going with an Extreme Board and 128-GB DDR-5 6400 memory & Samsung 990 Pro M.2. Because I am not planning on upgrading again for another decade after all this. 🙂
Also waiting to see what AMD comes out with on their new GPU's on December 15th 2022, before deciding on a GPU..
Thank you for the Video will you be doing Ryzen 9 7950x Vs 12900K Review thanks??
I don't have a 7950X yet. If I can grab one, I will :)
Please include 1% low frame rate numbers for all game benchmarks in the future.
i just picked up a 7900x, b650e, and 32gb 6000 for $600 altogether from microcenter, crazy how fast those prices dropped 😲😲
Great review! comparing the 7900x with the 12900k is a good choice, it gives us an idea about how close the 13700k and the 7900x are going to be.
Thank you!
13700k is going to be 16 cores 7900x should have been 16 cores too
@@johnnyboogalo4897 yes,but 13 gen will be way better cpu than 7900x!
@@Vujkan the downside of Intel, high wattage, high temperature, last Intel cpu 10nm, while AMD last cpu 7nm, this one 5nm. Go watch Linus vid about Intel paywall locked ECC support.
@@fynkozari9271 why does it matter what kind of process is used to make these CPU. If intel is competing AMD 5nm chips with their 10nm chips. I think intel has better engineering. For end users these cpu nm means absolutely nothing. And for gaming this power consumption doesnt even matter at all.
Yesssss!!!!
We should not forget that apparently AMD is gonna release X3D products for 7000, too. This huuge cache version could be ground breaking in games, remember the 5800X3D cpu, it's still a beast for that (and I believe there are even new optimization for those). Given the longer maintained peak workflow (specially 3D render, compression, compiling, and video render) in apps and lower power consumption (very important in EU now), I'd say that particularly at this level, the 7900 is a win (for work!). Now, way more debatable surely with the 12700F or even 12600K and maybe the 7700/7600 (but I don't go as far as stating anything, I yet to see how these perform). And probably is going to be a tough fight for AMD with the 13th gen against the 7600/7700. So, if we consider these 7000 CPUs launched now more for "work" and the X3D versions, for games, then the thing in competition with intel gets extremely interesting. But Razor is going to be a hit, imo.
Once 13th intel is released, Raptor, heck, what a fine time to buy a CPU. Whatever you get from these two brands is gonna literally fly. Sadly I have to stay with my 3900X for a while (self imposed discipline more than money issues :D ) .
@@ArbitraryFilmings yep, in a way. As I've seen too many benchmarks to deny it. The 5800X3D performance is quite lower in graphic apps than its older cousin, 5800X. In work/graphic apps, my bets would go for simply a 5900X (even now! Even more, a 5600X would do for _solely_ Photoshop!) or 5950X if you really have that multi threaded workload, as this CPU have also proved to have the best efficiency (frames rendered per watt) of all what's available now, according to tests, considering _all_ available in Raptor and AMD 7000s. That is, if already having an am4 system. Heck, I know of ppl having a business dedicated to architecture and rendering, and getting now a new station, they're mounting on AM4, custom double CPU stations with two 5950X working together, so, there's that (I'm not sure if that's a bit too fancy instead of just going the threadripper way, would have to need to be top of the gamma, though... nah... probably is that those custom nerdy solutions are cheaper, so).
I would quite happily recommend a full 7000 series station for those needing an entire new system (not having already ddr4 RAM, etc), as indeed the tests indicate a lower power consumption and slightly less heat than Raptor. But you can undervolt and intel cpu, too, so, that's less of an issue than it is just as the intels come by default. Although, to be honest, in AMD, too, even if a bit less so; but ryzens perform great undervolted. I have not tried that with intel Alder or Raptor ... Then , the fact that some people (actually, a lot...) don't know how to do that, though! ... My problem is the very crazy AM5 mother board prices (at least in EU), together with the requirement of getting DDR5 for AMD 7000 series, while not only you could use old DDR4 you have, it's also that the DDR4 now is cheaper than ever. I think though that a system with a 6000HZ DDR5 (or a bit lower), CL40, will make the system faster in most scenarios. But imo the RAM speed is not that key in work apps as it is in games. Still important, though. Like, in Photoshop, if your images are huge, like RAW files of immense dimensions, one is better off with 64GB RAM of an ok speed, than super fast 32GB. Photoshop eats RAM for breakfast. _A lot_ of RAM, good CPU with very fast clock and great IPC, and using a *non* integrated GPU is what counts for PS. In the end, having a SSD in the boot/OS makes a lot more for performance than DDR5 instead of DDR4. Even if having an HDD for the working files. Or several SSDs, if one is working with video (I'd be prepared to having to replace those SSDs more often than with HDDs, though, in that case. But many video pros are fine with this, and indeed, always they tend to use mostly NVMe M.2 SSDs...even for just cache-only disks! ). That and the graphic card part (at least 6gb VRAM, and preferably nvidia, for graphic/work apps).
The 7950X clearly is very powerful. But again, for multithreaded workloads. For Photoshop really one almost as fine with a 7600X or a 13600k as both have magnificent single core performance, IPC and top clock speed. Is in heavily threaded apps when the 7900X-7950X-13900K make really sense. I doubt most people (people doing actual work) are going to notice in any workflow the advantage in Photoshop between a 7950X and a 7600X or a 13600k.
this 4k frames is the max that u can overclock! a monitor so is this ok ?or we need a 4k 144hz monitor?or we need a 4090 nvidia videocard to?with more memory
So if i buy the 7000 series u said i have to buy a amd motherboard and a memory? Why memory ? Thanks sorry im learning in this stuff
Very Happy with my 5950x, quiet, good temps, good watts and runs everything basically like a 7950x at 1440p
Its a great CPU. No need to upgrade yet imho
It would be great if your testing included a racing simulator such as iRacing or Assetto Corsa Competizione
Thank you for doing 2k/4k benchmarks besides the normal 1080p most people only do to test the cpu bottleneck. 99% of people are not buying a new mid or high end cpu to play at 1080p. I don't get why most sites/reviewers ONLY show 1080p benchmarks, its kind of absurd.
Thanks! I don't get it either, I know it's nice to see a proper CPU bottleneck in some games, but I personally prefer to see the effects in a realistic scenario. Even 1080p High is pushing it imho.
Indeed, 1080p displays are shifting more and more into the very low budget segment, and 1440p has taken over. Current CPUs are so fast that whatever you choose - Alder Lake, Zen 3, Zen 4 - you're almost always GPU limited and there is no difference in the user experience. Some reviewers, like Gamers Nexus, have started pointing this out some time ago.
It's also important to note that even at 1080p, most of the small performance gaps shown are really just noise. 171 fps here, 174 fps there - use a different motherboard or slightly different memory for both platforms, and you might end up reversing the numbers. I feel like this isn't pointed out enough.
I do want to add that those small gaps are repeatable in most games. Every number you see is run (at least) 3x, and these 1-2 FPS gaps are usually consistent in each run. So there does seem to be a driver, overhead, or some other factor.
Not that it matters much ;)
I'm looking forward more to the next gen APUs with better integrated graphics... for my next Linux mini-PC! 😝
And thank you for including 1440p & 4K on the slides. I know we are GPU bound at 4K res but I game at this resolution and I like seeing if the newer CPUs makes a difference. In this case, it doesn't. Looks like I'll be keeping my 5950X & 3090 for a while. 😁
For 4K i7 8700k recomended
For work, for me is now crystal clear. In renders, the intel throttling down after some minutes while the 7000 series keeping the numbers for a longer period is an absolute win. Now, in games is more about bursts of highest clock, I can see how intel slightly wins in some games. As would any app work based in short bursts (so, mostly not 3D render and video render/export).
But this is till a comparison with last gen intel (as 13th is not out yet)... I think... Raptor lake is a threat in certain uses, for these series. Surely not for work, IMO. Lower power consumption piles up over the other advantages for work (for ryzen 7000).
I feel like a comparison on GPU bound games isnt really telling us a whole lot. Wouldve been nice if you had included a compile test, rendering, SSL connections etc as well.
But its safe to say that nowadays the "higher level tier" CPU's are more than sufficient to bring all but the highest end graphics cards to their knees. :p
My 12900k and 3080ti rig I built earlier this year won't be touched for quite a while.
Would be very helpfull to see Ryzen 5800X3D comparison with these 12900K, 79000X. As planning to buy , it probably seems to be best choice for gamers right now .
Sure, if you are only looking at current day - the AM4 / DDR4 platform (5800X3D for example) there isn't much of a difference but going forward the AM5/ DDR5 stuff will undoubtably pull ahead. So when you purchase the AM5 / DDR5 platform you aren't just concerned with TODAY but the future which will mean more demanding games, etc.
Seeing these current results I’m looking forward to what intel 13th has to offer.
Soon(tm) 😈
The AMD CPU has been touted as being good for production work, but it's hard to find anyone who actually who do the test for such. All testing I've seen have been for games FPS. Did you do any testing on the production side?
I'm running a 5950x overclocked to 5115 with a 3080 ti also overclocked on a custom water loop I still don't see any reason to think about upgrading yet
Really comprehensive review, thank you Nada :) I'm still using a 3900X, so a 5900X or 5950X would be a better upgrade than going to AM5 right now, judging by this! 3900X is still doing very well though, and upgraded from GTX 1080 to RTX 3080 in April but not played a ton of PC games since
For gaming rather get a 5800X3D
Still using 3900x... How about 4790k!
sounds like you are wasting your money on needless hardware if you are not playing PC games - unless you are a content creator of course.
I'm primarily a gamer and I have a 3070 with a 5900x. I had the 3900x for a year and a half and about 3 months ago I made the leap to 5900x for ~$50. Personally I've noticed zero difference in my day to day use. If anything the 5900x boots a hair slower. Both CPUs run beautifully but if you are doing the upgrade to max out the platform, I promise it will make a negligible difference. If anything the biggest upgrade I made to my PC was going from 32Gbs of Ram to 64Gbs at the beginning of the year. Since then everything runs buttery smooth.
If you're on a 3900X and you're happy with it, I'd probably just sit it out a bit longer. Assuming you don't need more CPU power and/or game at higher resolutions.
I'm still running an i5-2500k on an asus p8z68-v with 16gb of ddr3 with a 1660ti 6gb and plays most games over 60fps no joke
Very good review, but you should have shown temperatures with the results.
I'll talk more about thermals soon, but I see ~85C average in the Gooseberry blender benchmark under a 280mm AIO, not too bad imho
nice vid, how's thermal?
I'll talk more about thermals soon, but I see ~85C average in the Gooseberry blender benchmark under a 280mm AIO, not too bad imho
I am thinking about 2 Kingston FURY Beast DDR5-6000 C36 DC - 32GB (AMD EXPO) or 4 Kingston FURY Beast DDR5-6000 C36 DC - 32GB (AMD EXPO) Making it 64gb. So 2 stick vs 4 stick. Will 4 stick run with same preformance as 2 stick? Sometimes I need 64gb and I do have 4 4K Monitors with a bunche of programs opened. Another option is to buy 2 stick 32gb (Corsair Dominator Platinum RGB DDR5-5200 C40 DC - 64GB (AMD EXPO)), but frequency and latency on those is 5200 40CL (AMD EXPO). I am using GIGABYTE X670E AORUS XTREME - AMD X670E + 7950X
I will be going Intel raptor lake for my next build. I am very disappointed with heat and wattage for the 7950 and it's bios issues. 95c space heater is not acceptable
- Remember that a 12900K uses more power.
- You do realize that the temperature of the CPU is almost irrelevant I hope? More Watts mean more heat into your room, whether it runs at 85 or 95 C doesn't really make a difference. So a 60 Watt CPU running 95 C under a tiny air cooler doesn't make your room hotter than a 250 Watt CPU under an AIO.
- Don't have a 7950 yet, but the 7900x runs about 85C under the Corsair AIO I used.
I'm tempted to buy a 12900k, mobo and ram now and save a couple of hundred over the 13900k set up when it releases as I'm absolutely positive that you won't be able to notice the difference unless you're staring at a graph.
I guess we'll find out soon :P
not a huge upgrade from my 5950X. Will wait for AM5 for next upgrade, thanks.
we are on am5
Can you test the 5800X 3d against the 7950x and the 12900K in just gaming? I heard it still equals and beats the newer CPUs on some games.
I don’t have a 5800x3d. AMD sent out very few, and im not buying another 5000 series CPU 😅
I spent $360 on my 12900k back in Nov was it and I'm still not happy !!! (haven't even built the PC yet)
Today I can get a 7900x for $350 but I may not.
U didnt test on Sac?
While I certainly appreciate the improved performance from both manufacturers over time, I appreciate more what AMD was able to do at 65w with the 5600. I'm done with big, hot machines. Apple has totally knocked it out the box with M1 and 2. AMD, Inter, and Nvidia should follow that trend; great performance at a fraction of the power costs.
The new 7000 series cpu's actually has an "eco-mode" where it's much more powerefficient, but gives away something like 20% performance in multithread tasks.
I see what your saying but I don’t agree. The M1 and M2 are very efficient and powerful but they don’t even come close to the performance of something like the 4090 paired with a 7950x if you want all out power and performance things will get hot. Also remember that this generation of chips is still even more efficient than the mentioned 5600 meaning if you limited the PPT in the bios to 65 watts on the 7600X you’d see better performance at similar temps and the same power draw. Now I wouldn’t want to do this in a full size desktop build but you could if you want to
There's a lot more to say about these CPUs, but there's only so much you can do in the few days between getting your samples and them launching. AMD's made some big claims about Eco Mode and it offering more performance than 5000-series at similar power levels, so we'll see that soon enough!
As for the M1/M2, that's a different story. Apple's efficiency is amazing for battery life, but as an owner of a M1 MBP I have a few things to say about performance ;)
@@TechTesters Because AMD need to beat Intel at speed they mess around the stock and eco mode:D
Actually the eco mode should have been stock standard settings, and the stock setting should have been AMD Extreme Overclocking warning mode at your own risk:D, also 95 C degree is fine.... if you live in Siberia, that's way a lot of youtubers already make videos about how get temp down - 20C degree by lowering TDP from 170w to 105W on 7950x and 7900x, and from 105W to 65W for 7700x. Now i think i understood what Nexus was trying to say that 7950x is worse than 5950 when is come to performance/power used efficiency :''we think amd's efficiency claim are overstated if at least a bit accurate it's just that the 7950x consume so much more power vs 5950 that the efficiency of 7950x almost becomes a footnote in blender 3.3. test:D
A little bummed we don’t see the thermal scores. I bought an i9 but these things get hot and AMD tends to make a more cool chipset
All I care about are the 1% and.1% low. I’m on the i7 7700k, I’m getting the ryzen 7900, can’t wait to play assassins creed odyssey without stutters here and there 😃
when is intel 13th gen CPUs release?
It's absurd to see the I9 beating the R9 in 1440P being older and having E cores..
Thumbnail was kinda confusing 😂
can't wait to see the 13900k smash these benchmarks, subscribed and followed. new cost of 7950x isn't warranted imo.
A ryzen 3d will easily outperform the room heater 13900k. 13900k may catch fire as it is a real room heater.
Every other channel I want them to get straight to benchmarks, on this channel I get upset when it's time for the benchmarks. 😫
Just have a 7900x for 220€ in France because a big seller do a error price :)
Nice review, my conclusion is that someone gaming with a 12700/12900 or 5900/5950X has zero reason to upgrade to Zen4 : at 1080p there's so much frames you won't see any difference, above that there's no difference at all, and you're GPU limited anyway... Rather go get an RTX4000 or RX7000 😀
You should never really upgrade one generation :)
I have a question that I need answered by anybody that knows !!! - Will this cpu with a 3080ti in Warzone get 200+ fps if I have a 1440p 240hz monitor . I’m mainly wondering if this cpu is what I need to get the most out of my monitor ???
I was itching to upgrade from my 5900x but with the increased power and higher entry cost of the motherboard... Psu... Ddr5... Etc I think I'll stick to am4 and instead just get an RX7000 card. Gaming is the focus of my high end build anyway.
give this guy a medal
Even an i9 9900k is still sufficient at high resolutions.
Ryzen + Radeon ❤❤❤
Great review as always. My favorite beside HUB veterans.
Though I would like to see MIN FPS also included, at least for MP FPS it was.
Would like to see Warzone and BF included also(maybe other MP FPS also)
Thank you! I did have Warzone included before, but the constant updates make it really hard to test consistently. No plans to buy BF2042 😉, but MW2 i might
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wait, is that a Lego Bonsai tree?
Yes! 🌳
damn that's pretty cool.
Thank you for using a nvidia graphic card and also showing 1440p and 4k results. Most other reviewers only test 1080p. I can understand that because there the CPU is the bottleneck, but on the other hand most users do have 1440p display or even 4k. So why should they care about 1080p?
Glad you liked it!
I don't think that's true. The steam hardware survey currently lists 1920x1080 as the most popular resolution at 66%, 2560x1440 at 11%, and 3840x2160 at 2.5%. The vast majority, including myself, run 1920x1080. I do plan on getting a 1440 monitor at some point though.
@@odizzido hmm i know many who have more than 1080. But lets agree that the results should include 1080p, but also 1440p and 4K.
@@mirafu3481 Of course, it's all useful info to have.
My takeaway is that, assuming you're just gaming and want to go AM5, you should get either a 7600 or 7700 and ignore anything higher. By the time a GPU comes out that can stress your CPU there will be something like a 9800X3D available that you can drop in for a great upgrade at a great price just like the 5800X3D did for people with an early AM4 CPU.
Tt Nada so we will get the 5xxx series prize reduced a further.. interesting.. 😍
Hopefully!
Too bad they're still not releasing the 12c/16c 3DVcache options, both in Zen3 and Zen4 guises... but maybe if Intel Raptors get to chew over the gains obtained by Zen4 platform and arrive in shops at the same time, AMD will be forced to release such possibly great workhorse chips in near future...
Wouldn't surprise me if they're keeping that as an emergency button to respond to 13th gen :P
it would be way more interesting how ZEN4 Performance agiainst the Ryzen 7 5800X3D :)
great review, but no one buy 2 ccd cpu for gaming
I am a little shocked. Multitasking AMD all the way, but if this is how it stands with the 12900k, the 13900k will walk away with it gaming-wise.
agreed. I'm still on a 3900X and 5900X/5950X is probably a decent upgrade path than going to DDR5 just yet
AMD can easily clap back with 3D VCache.
I'm a little shocked that you don't know the 3D vcache versions are supposed to come out in Jan so they will walk away with it gaming wise...
Why get a 12900k for gaming? Even at 1080p acc to hwunboxeds many games average the 7600x is just barely slower than the 12900k. As for walking away, have you sampled Raptor Lake yet? The 13600 might be interesting for games and we'll see about efficiency
We'll find out very soon :P
12900K in the U.S has been 499$ @ Microcenter since march 2022.
In my opinion a fair review. Something i have notice though: AMD with the add on of a integrated graphic display engine into their CPU is now pose to attack the office market. Until now it was a monopoly of Intel (no need to buy a graphic adapter, the motherboard + CPU provide it thus lowering the cost of a office PC). Two problem remains for AMD to be fully competitive on that market.
1: The price of the new motherboard. It need to come down by quite a lot or the launch of budget motherboard for AMD new CPU.
2: The price of DDR5. It also need to come down.
otherwise Intel will still dominate the office.
Your pal Coco the clown.
Lots of games only uses 8 cores and not more So for those games intel got some advantage But newer made games that uses more than 8 cores and intel got disadvantage. Buying Ryzen 7000 is better because of its clear performance gain in the very near future versions of games.
Very good step forward 8% lol,and have to upgrade everything at very expensive price,if you Still on zen or zen+upgrade to 5000, for People on zen2 wait zen5,for ryzen 9 5900x or 5950x,wait for am6 ; )
If you're on Zen/Zen+, this is an amazing upgrade. But I'd still wait a few weeks for 13th gen and B650(E) Boards.