Well if Lomography have any integrity theyll appreciate your honest feedback and would especially send you a new better product, because you have estzablished that you make honest reviews and dont BS people
@@woodypigeon Well, can't agree about the coffee and wine. In France it is basically considered food (wine). Wine is civilized. It is a birth right of every French citizen. And coffee... Don't get me started. When I was in Pont-Aven (3 years ago) coffee was a part of every breakfast, or hot cocoa. I saw children drinking coffee with milk, and wine. Don't be silly.
I was thinking the same thing. They should make one for digital cameras similar to the art lenses they produce or the plastic set they made for micro 4/3rds. I'd love the experiment using different weird liquids in the lens.
Hey man! Thanks for the shoutout. I did chalk up my struggles assembling the camera as a 'me issue,' as another RUclips photographer, @CheckOutJacob assembled his with ease. And judging by how you got your wife involved, I assume we might be on the same wavelength there haha. That said, I really like your shots! Especially the red and blue ones. They are really killer! My brain went the same route after testing the camera too-- how can I mount this lens on a digital camera? Sweet vid dude.
Although this ended up being a failure, I really hope lomography or another brand decides to do this correctly, perhaps even with large format and no lens mount (similar to an old land camera, so you could mount any lens that produces a large enough image circle), just with cheaper components to lessen the cost and make medium or large format photography a feasible option for a beginner to experiment with. Like you said, it's a great idea, just bad execution.
I was about to say cardboard is a useless material for permanent objects, but then I noticed I have one of those old box-cameras on my desk, and that still looks fine.
I had good experience with their customer service aswell. Their prices might be high, but there is no real alternative brand I know of. I'm happy they exist.
And that it's why humans are so fascinating... Lomography: Let's make a product which is useless, bad quality and overpriced. Humans: Give me two of them! 💵💵
I like the kind-of soft-focus, “pictorialist” look of some of the shots, and that may partly be the nature of liquids not always being the best refractors. Lomography should definitely revise the way the camera itself is designed, though.
I have been tempted by one of these things, I must admit. But my main desire is to take that cool liquid lens and mount it on a Holga. 😁 Great video, thanks!
Surely the Sutton lens was an early (19th century) attempt at a wide angle lens which relied on the different refractive index of water to air and glass? It was designed to be used in conjunction with a curved plate - which this cardboard camera doesn't seem to have. The lens was filled with clear, pure water. It was never intended to be filled with weird coloured liquids! Sounds like the whole thing is a bit of a gimmick.
After watching your video I decided against buying that camera and went to the local thrift store. I found an ansco camera from the 1930s in 120 format and in very good condition for about 10 US dollars and the bonus feature is that it has an adjustable focus and little doors you can move inside the camera to change the negative size from 4x4 to 4x6 in. so you can get 8 or 12 photographs....problem solved.
I am very happy with mine however i did change one or two things i changed the lens for a Nikon and the the body for a Nikon but i still take it out in the lomomod box.
Hehe. So sorry, friend! 😂 The image looks awful. I think your elbow is nicer. 😁 The experimental nature seemed great. Too bad it didn't work. Great video though! 🔥💪😀
Fascinating review :):) I would also like to see how the lens worked in front of the camera you adapted it to:):) The idea sounded such fun; what a shame the dream had very little correlation with reality.
I think the greatest quality cardboard ever produced won't give even a "good enough" durability to a product made to be in constant contact with hands.
I built a cardboard camera from scratch in grad school. But that was a pinhole cam. Sheet loading in a dark bag. Very simple. Seems like a cardboard 120 cam would need at least some plastic bits, like film advance knobs. But the fluid lens idea is interesting. Just needs to be coupled to a functional body.
I don't know why lomo doesn't just.. sell an actual camera. There is a market for a real, actually usable film camera and they already are doing it, except they're so cheap it's a toy. They already make lenses. The hardest part is probably designing a shutter that can shoot fast enough but leaf or focal plane shutter designs are aplenty and only expensive to manufacture. Mount a small lens on the front or don't even bother and just license someone's existing mount system like Leica.
It is "hard" to see why anyone would buy this, when there is much better used equipment out there for the same price. A camera sould not be that frustrating. Thanks, for sacrificing your sanity, so we don't have to waste money on this. Cheers.
Yes Mathew, I like lomography films but their cameras don't live up to the standard. I reviewed the sprocket rocket on my channel and I also found the single element plastic lens a disappointment. Good job on this review, and who designs a camera with a cardboard winder lol
Je suis curieux de voir ce que donnerait le rendu si on installait une pompe d'aquarium aux bouts des tuyaux dans laquelle on mettrait différents liquides de différentes densités (pour qu'ils ne se mélangent pas) et actionner la pompe en plein enregistrement pour voir des changements de "filtres liquides" :)
I wonder why they didnt make it in plastic or just as a konstruktor lens. Cardboard is a bad material in general. But I also think that if a knob stops moving you shouldnt keep turning it, and should fix it. It's also not hard to make a stronger knob/winder.
This "Do It Yourself/liquid in the lens" camera kit reminds me of two things. 1. Is the heavy wear and quick failure of the camera kit the fault of the supplier or the builder? 2. The "liquid in the lens" thing reminds me of a long-ago Zeiss Stuttgart sales rep suggesting that Japanese optics were so clear and free from bubbles in the glass because...there was WATER in the lens! I've read/heard that "Lomo" = subpar cameras and film for a while. It's too bad that ORWO film and Dresden-built Pentacon cameras are history. (The East Germans would NEVER let such low quality products loose in the West. (They'd ship such failures to Russia, instead.;)
The comment ".... about as sharp as my elbow" was golden. I've got 2 questions. 1 can you take a photo without liquid in the lens? and 2 How do you sell an idea like this to a company? Whoops 3 questions. 3 how much does one cost to buy?
i LOVE the part where you can mount the lenses on other camera
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Could you take the lense and place it on a digital camera? So you still have the experimental aspect without the finicky nature of analog film. Also, who is still making film?
Maybe use some microscope slides and ???? to make a liquid fillable filter to put in front of a cellphone camera. If you are lucky the autofocus will compensate for the weirdness of all the different indexes of refraction so it will work at at least some distances. Yellow highlighter ink or tonic water should be interesting with UV. Uh oh, I feel like experimenting now.
Now, if the pieces where made out of plywood, this camera would be a whole lot more interesting. Cardboard is an inherently bad material for the stresses the pieces have to endure while operating
They should’ve just released the liquid lens. Super cool idea but the cardboard body?? And it’s medium format??? Wtf. No way in hell would I ever put a roll of 120 in that thing. Could you imagine spending 50-70 dollars on a box of film and putting it through this 😂😂
Ugears should make this, but out of laser-cut plywood (of course black on the inside, and seal it up with black insulation tape). Cardboard was about as good material choice as cheddar cheese.
WOW! Im so happy i didnt quit watching when i was about too. I would have missed the first ever photo i ever saw sober, though a beer lens. A life changing moment.
Methinks you can get the same results with a roll of expired Kodacolor Gold, heated for a short while to about 125 degrees F. Then point the cassette's felt-lined film exit slot directly at bright sun for a while. Then shoot it in one of those $4 plastic faux-SLRs you can find in thrift stores - you know, the ones with names like Bentley and Cannon and Vista - that have plastic meniscus lenses. Be sure you get the sun in one corner of your pictures, for maximum lens flare.
Interesting as always! I know your frustration, I once tried to build a DIY Lomo camera, and it just didn't work at all... At least it wasn't made of cardboard...🤷♂️
At least you didn't have to pay for it with money, just time. I never like putting things together, especially fiddly things. They have historically ended up in the trash. I think your review was a definite worthwhile watch.
lens is interesting , coupling it with modern camera will provide opportunity to do many test, such as nano particle liquids , halogen or noble gases, water petroleum etc... send this camera to integza(fellow youtuber) and ask him to 3d print all the parts with quality materials .. or any other 3d printer guy you know .. this will make it durable ...cardboard cant last long
Well if Lomography have any integrity theyll appreciate your honest feedback and would especially send you a new better product, because you have estzablished that you make honest reviews and dont BS people
I second this
Let's hope :)
I third this!
I fourth this
I agree.
What kind of Frenchman are you? Tea instead of coffee? Beer instead of wine? No wonder why the camera didn't work right! 😋
hahahaha
I will try with Cheese inside the lens ;)
*_aggressively tries to shove baguette into lens_*
@@AmusementLabs No, you use baguettes for the tripod.
@@woodypigeon Well, can't agree about the coffee and wine. In France it is basically considered food (wine). Wine is civilized. It is a birth right of every French citizen. And coffee... Don't get me started. When I was in Pont-Aven (3 years ago) coffee was a part of every breakfast, or hot cocoa. I saw children drinking coffee with milk, and wine. Don't be silly.
This definitely falls in the "cool idea, terrible implementation" category of failed products
If you couldn't make it work I doubt many people could
Any* ;)
Honestly I like the liquid lens idea but why not just have it pre assembled 🤷♂️
"Sharp as my elbow" probably my favorite quote of the week
_why dont they just make a liquid lens for your GOOD cameras?_
It'd be a neat novelty if the camera its on worked.
I was thinking the same thing. They should make one for digital cameras similar to the art lenses they produce or the plastic set they made for micro 4/3rds. I'd love the experiment using different weird liquids in the lens.
I'd buy one if I could fit it to, say, my good K-mount or M42 mount cameras
It's almost like there's a reason no one has been making cardboard cameras.
Kodak did.
Actually I have a Kodak Brownie made of cardboard from 1905 and it still works fine
Cool lens, bad body.
Hey man! Thanks for the shoutout. I did chalk up my struggles assembling the camera as a 'me issue,' as another RUclips photographer, @CheckOutJacob assembled his with ease. And judging by how you got your wife involved, I assume we might be on the same wavelength there haha. That said, I really like your shots! Especially the red and blue ones. They are really killer! My brain went the same route after testing the camera too-- how can I mount this lens on a digital camera? Sweet vid dude.
See you very soon for our collaboration :)
Although this ended up being a failure, I really hope lomography or another brand decides to do this correctly, perhaps even with large format and no lens mount (similar to an old land camera, so you could mount any lens that produces a large enough image circle), just with cheaper components to lessen the cost and make medium or large format photography a feasible option for a beginner to experiment with. Like you said, it's a great idea, just bad execution.
I was about to say cardboard is a useless material for permanent objects, but then I noticed I have one of those old box-cameras on my desk, and that still looks fine.
Carboard isn't useless and if people buy a carboard camera, they must know the issues that it may bring. :)
Cardboard is not good for moving parts.
Its Lomography. Their brand is selling over price vintage or shitty toy cameras. Their customer service is worse.
I actually had a pretty good experience when my camera stopped working and they immediately sent me another one.
I had good experience with their customer service aswell. Their prices might be high, but there is no real alternative brand I know of. I'm happy they exist.
Worst.
So kids, what have we learned? LASER CUT WOOD IS BETTER...
And that it's why humans are so fascinating...
Lomography: Let's make a product which is useless, bad quality and overpriced.
Humans: Give me two of them! 💵💵
*"Guess they make cameras out of plastic and metal for a reason."* 🤣
_"Excellent Review, as always !"_ 👍✨🏆
Thanks! 👍
2:55 That's an awesome album cover. Imagine the title in the top right or bottom left it just works
-"oh no,why the door is not closing.....HONEY!!!!"
Oh I was waiting for this after seeing the insta.
I like the kind-of soft-focus, “pictorialist” look of some of the shots, and that may partly be the nature of liquids not always being the best refractors. Lomography should definitely revise the way the camera itself is designed, though.
I have never heard of such a camera before but I kind of liked the "experimental" photos too. At least you got a funny video out of this "camera"
I have been tempted by one of these things, I must admit. But my main desire is to take that cool liquid lens and mount it on a Holga. 😁 Great video, thanks!
Surely the Sutton lens was an early (19th century) attempt at a wide angle lens which relied on the different refractive index of water to air and glass? It was designed to be used in conjunction with a curved plate - which this cardboard camera doesn't seem to have. The lens was filled with clear, pure water. It was never intended to be filled with weird coloured liquids! Sounds like the whole thing is a bit of a gimmick.
After watching your video I decided against buying that camera and went to the local thrift store. I found an ansco camera from the 1930s in 120 format and in very good condition for about 10 US dollars and the bonus feature is that it has an adjustable focus and little doors you can move inside the camera to change the negative size from 4x4 to 4x6 in. so you can get 8 or 12 photographs....problem solved.
I had an early model Lomo. It came with a roll of electrical tape to close up the light leaks. Why did I think it was fun?
Excellent video! Funny and artistic at the same time 👌 I admire your patience 🤣
A way to make this stronger is by making some parts plastic or even metal! Cardboard rubbing against cardboard will wear out super quickly :(
I am very happy with mine however i did change one or two things i changed the lens for a Nikon and the the body for a Nikon but i still take it out in the lomomod box.
nikon makes 120 bodies ??
Someone had to be the hero to test it... So, thank you Mathieu.
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Hehe. So sorry, friend! 😂 The image looks awful. I think your elbow is nicer. 😁 The experimental nature seemed great. Too bad it didn't work. Great video though! 🔥💪😀
Haha you succeeded in finding a lower quality camera than the Holga :) Lovely video.
Fascinating review :):) I would also like to see how the lens worked in front of the camera you adapted it to:):) The idea sounded such fun; what a shame the dream had very little correlation with reality.
I think the greatest quality cardboard ever produced won't give even a "good enough" durability to a product made to be in constant contact with hands.
For me the photo looks vintage and i like it.
When you said it was made of cardboard, I thought you were being sarcastic. But no, it's actually cardboard LOL
I built a cardboard camera from scratch in grad school. But that was a pinhole cam. Sheet loading in a dark bag. Very simple. Seems like a cardboard 120 cam would need at least some plastic bits, like film advance knobs. But the fluid lens idea is interesting. Just needs to be coupled to a functional body.
I don't know why lomo doesn't just.. sell an actual camera. There is a market for a real, actually usable film camera and they already are doing it, except they're so cheap it's a toy. They already make lenses. The hardest part is probably designing a shutter that can shoot fast enough but leaf or focal plane shutter designs are aplenty and only expensive to manufacture. Mount a small lens on the front or don't even bother and just license someone's existing mount system like Leica.
3:05 I know your feeling, but please... No more...
😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣
It is "hard" to see why anyone would buy this, when there is much better used equipment out there for the same price. A camera sould not be that frustrating.
Thanks, for sacrificing your sanity, so we don't have to waste money on this.
Cheers.
Hi Mathieu, Thanks for your video. How did you attach the lens to the Sony camera? What adapter did you use? I'd like to try it. 😊
I just inserted the rear part inside a M42 adapter, with an helicoid
@@MathieuStern Thank you. I'll try it out.
Yes Mathew, I like lomography films but their cameras don't live up to the standard. I reviewed the sprocket rocket on my channel and I also found the single element plastic lens a disappointment. Good job on this review, and who designs a camera with a cardboard winder lol
Je suis curieux de voir ce que donnerait le rendu si on installait une pompe d'aquarium aux bouts des tuyaux dans laquelle on mettrait différents liquides de différentes densités (pour qu'ils ne se mélangent pas) et actionner la pompe en plein enregistrement pour voir des changements de "filtres liquides" :)
Next time: I 3D printed "cardboard" camera
hi Mr Stern, I love your honesty. It's their loss. =)
I have a love hate relationship with Lomography. I try to keep my distance but they’re products always find a way of making it into my collection haha
They are brilliant on making things we wanna buy even we know we don't need it! 🎉💵💵
I wonder why they didnt make it in plastic or just as a konstruktor lens. Cardboard is a bad material in general. But I also think that if a knob stops moving you shouldnt keep turning it, and should fix it. It's also not hard to make a stronger knob/winder.
Hey, it's Sweet Lou! I almost want to buy one of these to have as much of a hilarious time with the camera as you and Sweet Lou did!
hello there!!
Best review Mathieu, love your channel
thanks Enrico :)
What if you put sand or maybe some very fine glitter inside the lens?
I’d be much more interested in seeing more results with just the lens.
Because the camera seems like a complete disaster.
Who knew.. that internal camera parts made out of co2 friendly cardboard boxes isn't a good idea
I dig some of these shots, they look rather vintage
Where i can buy the lens?
Tu peux nous faire une vidéo du processus de montage d'une vieille optique sur un nouvel objectif?
This "Do It Yourself/liquid in the lens" camera kit reminds me of two things.
1. Is the heavy wear and quick failure of the camera kit the fault of the supplier or the builder?
2. The "liquid in the lens" thing reminds me of a long-ago Zeiss Stuttgart sales rep suggesting that Japanese optics were so clear and free from bubbles in the glass because...there was WATER in the lens!
I've read/heard that "Lomo" = subpar cameras and film for a while. It's too bad that ORWO film and Dresden-built Pentacon cameras are history. (The East Germans would NEVER let such low quality products loose in the West. (They'd ship such failures to Russia, instead.;)
If you could buy just the lens and 3d print the body, this wouldn’t be so bad. I love the images you got.
So Amazi... nah nevermind 😂
But nice to know that there's camera like that 👍 nice one Mat
I want this lens only and how to mount it to EOS-R camera.
The comment ".... about as sharp as my elbow" was golden. I've got 2 questions. 1 can you take a photo without liquid in the lens? and 2 How do you sell an idea like this to a company? Whoops 3 questions. 3 how much does one cost to buy?
Perhaps this should have been filmed in black and white, Charlie Chaplin style.
Have you ever used a Lomo before? They're all like that. It's sort of the point.
i LOVE the part where you can mount the lenses on other camera
Could you take the lense and place it on a digital camera? So you still have the experimental aspect without the finicky nature of analog film. Also, who is still making film?
looks like pure art to me
Try the Gakenflex TLR DIY camera. It's $15 on ebay (ships from China) and they are amazing. Plastic meniscus lens. Super fun to use.
50 euro? Rly... for that much you can get soviet camera from '50 in mint condition, have fun with all its lense artefacts and use it forever.
how did you adapt the lens to the A7iii?
hold it in front of the body?
Maybe use some microscope slides and ???? to make a liquid fillable filter to put in front of a cellphone camera. If you are lucky the autofocus will compensate for the weirdness of all the different indexes of refraction so it will work at at least some distances. Yellow highlighter ink or tonic water should be interesting with UV. Uh oh, I feel like experimenting now.
This review was spot on bro. 😂 😂 😂 😂
Why not make a 3d print version?
Now, if the pieces where made out of plywood, this camera would be a whole lot more interesting.
Cardboard is an inherently bad material for the stresses the pieces have to endure while operating
It's a hipsters camera (i.e. a novelty)
They should’ve just released the liquid lens. Super cool idea but the cardboard body?? And it’s medium format??? Wtf. No way in hell would I ever put a roll of 120 in that thing. Could you imagine spending 50-70 dollars on a box of film and putting it through this 😂😂
is not possible to just buy the lens for adapt on most camera?
Thumbs up for the beer inspired photo in the last takes ;)
*Lomography has exited the chat*
The photos turned out even worse than the old 110 format plastic rectangle cameras we had as kids in the 80's.
Should I get a used Canon 70D that come with a 50 mm and a 75-300 lens or a new Sony A7 II?
Get a used A7II. Spend the rest on glass.
never buy sony!
As a Belgian Photographer, I like the beer-in-the-lens idea.
What is it called? I want to buy her
Have you tried a Kraken 3d printed camera?
Not yet, but I am interested
I think they should come up with sturdier material
Ugears should make this, but out of laser-cut plywood (of course black on the inside, and seal it up with black insulation tape). Cardboard was about as good material choice as cheddar cheese.
WOW! Im so happy i didnt quit watching when i was about too. I would have missed the first ever photo i ever saw sober, though a beer lens. A life changing moment.
Great and honest video! You were unhappy with the cam but your video made me smile! I probably experienced same shitty moments, too.
The concept is cool, but hope the next cameras would be better
Methinks you can get the same results with a roll of expired Kodacolor Gold, heated for a short while to about 125 degrees F. Then point the cassette's felt-lined film exit slot directly at bright sun for a while. Then shoot it in one of those $4 plastic faux-SLRs you can find in thrift stores - you know, the ones with names like Bentley and Cannon and Vista - that have plastic meniscus lenses. Be sure you get the sun in one corner of your pictures, for maximum lens flare.
Interesting as always!
I know your frustration, I once tried to build a DIY Lomo camera, and it just didn't work at all... At least it wasn't made of cardboard...🤷♂️
My fist medium format camera lasted ONE roll. not even twelve 6x6 pictures, ten pictures
so a7 III plus beer lens = perfect VHS effect!!!!
Well I'm screwed, I have no wife to help me put something like this together 😂
I have a Lomo camera mase in URSS very nice. I used it few times.
How do you measure for light?
I have an App on my phone
Mathieu Stern I mean with the liquid? Do you read it through a bottle of the liquid?
This camera is so bad anyway it’s mainly guessing and praying
That is very expensive for 120.
At least you didn't have to pay for it with money, just time. I never like putting things together, especially fiddly things. They have historically ended up in the trash. I think your review was a definite worthwhile watch.
I just don’t get the shooting through liquid thing... just get you some filters!
Could I get the link for getting the liquid lens. Haha. Without the camera should he better experience.
This is a exercise in photographic history.
Crapography made horrible product and then acted like emotionally unstable teenagers when they were hit with criticism. The worst kind of hipsters.
A pre-built plastic version would be great.
I think you meant to say: "The image from the camera looks as sharp as a wet sock." (tee hee)
lens is interesting , coupling it with modern camera will provide opportunity to do many test, such as nano particle liquids , halogen or noble gases, water petroleum etc... send this camera to integza(fellow youtuber) and ask him to 3d print all the parts with quality materials .. or any other 3d printer guy you know .. this will make it durable ...cardboard cant last long