Best Cartridge: .308 vs .30-06
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- Опубликовано: 27 сен 2024
- Are the .308 and .30-06 similar in performance? Or are they actually quite different? This episode takes a deep dive into the performance and characteristics of each cartridge, in an effort to determine which is the better hunting cartridge. ENJOY!
Love them both. .308 for 160’s and down. 30-06 for 175’s and above.
Very wise. 30-06 absolutely handles longer heavier bullets better.
I always ask the same question: was the 30-06 of the early to mid 20th century an outstanding cartridge for the vast majority of game? If yes, then the modern 308 Win is also an outstanding cartridge for the majority of game.
And yes - this does mean the 30-06 has gotten even better.
I agree with your analysis. If you can't haave lots of rifles, the 30-06 is a practical choice.
Great episode! I chose 30-06 almost 40 years ago, and I am glad I did. I still use that Remington 700 ADL I bought in 1987 at my local Wal-Mart. Although I currently shoot Barnes TTSX instead of Remington Core-Lokt and view through Leupold instead of Tasco, it still shoots well.
Use and like both. 308 with 165 Accubond at 2784 fps in 20” barrel. 30-06 with 168 TTSX at 2997 fps in 24” barrel. Power Pro 2000 MR in 308 and Reloader 17 in the ‘06. Big stuff at longer ranges it’s the 180 Accubond in a 26” .300 Winchester Magnum. Enjoyed this video. Thank you!
Thank you!
If you hand load, the 30-06 has more versatility. If you buy off the shelf, the 308 does fine because factory 30-06 has been loaded to lawyer specs, lol!
I personally like the 30-06 because I’ve always had one, nothing against the 308 but I prefer the ‘06, just in case I want to use a heavier round!
Very true.
Agree n as a side note the 06 can be reduced loaded to 308 n below speed if need be..Subs are Fun in the 06 as are light loads grew up shooting them a good bit.
I am really biased in favor of the 30-06, so I would agree with every point you made.
Thanks for watching and enjoy!
..hey Joseph 😉
No matter what cal..."its behinde the stock"!!
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15 years really has done a lot, and I disagree with the premise than the .308 is significantly less effective for most elk hunters making shots at ethical ranges (when i see the guys at the shooting range the month before the season missing large targets at 200yrds I wonder what "ethical ranges" actually mean to most people) i don't think most people should be shooting at anything much past ~300yrds simple because so many hunters aren't good shots and don't practice marksmanship enough. I say that as someone who's not an amazing shot, but I've been hunting since i was a kid, and doing long range competitions from field positions I think that's a reasonable given most people can't figure bullet drop past 3-400yrds even with modern loads.
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30-06 is just bigger and more powerful. Can’t argue that. I don’t personally need the power so I chose the 308 years ago as an all around cartridge. With 130g TTSX’s, it’s hell on whitetail and pigs. With 168g TTSX’s, I’d use it on all but the great bears.
A 168 TTSX from a 308 would work just fine on "the great bears."
I talked to a guy that killed a 700# grizzly with that 130 in one shot DRT. Full penetration from shoulder to hip.
I'm the lone wage-earner for our family of 5, so budget has always been tight. After pondering for nearly 2 years, I bought a Ruger M77 stainless/synthetic in .308. I needed a good all-rounder with limited recoil. That was nearly 20 years ago, and I still love that rifle. It's put meat on our table and a couple of nice bucks on our wall.
I have long said that the 30-06 and the 308 are "kissing cousins" - same family, same general characteristics, individual differences.
The 30-06 is king.
Everything you've discussed is quite accurate. However, I don't think you've given the 30-06 it's poper due respect.
As a side note, a doctor I once worked with only wanted to know if a gunshot wound was 2000 fps or less. Less than 2000 fps, he had one speed of intervention. More than 2000 fps, he had a much faster speed of response. He was very, very successful in his treatment of gunshot wounds. This tells me that 2000 fps is a "breakover" threshold.
Literally mowing my lawn while listening. lol what better to do than podcast doing yard work.
I work at a gun store and have developed a local reputation for getting guys set up right with rifles, optics, and loads. My customers come back with success stories and refer people to me.
I wanted to get that out of the way because I'm about to make the Internet hate me. My go to. My end all be all. My one to rule them all. Bergara 308. I shoot Hornady American Whitetail 165gr for everything. Everything. It's cheap. Accurate enough. I practice and hunt with the same stuff so I don't have to change my zero. I understand the limits of my choice and operate within those limits.
I have other rifles that I have set up with premium bullets, I almost never use them. They're pretty much the rifles and cartridges I loan out.
That's an outstanding combo. People tend to get too far into the weeds about minutia that is largely irrelevant. Bullet placement is 90% of killing power. An accurate 308 is easy to hit with. Interlocks are good bullets. Once you get that sorted out, be done with it and focus on being a good hunter.
@@benjaminhamm3957 En moyenne la .308 est plus précise que la 30-06,je les ai tester avec beaucoup de projectiles different,et pour la vitesse des boullets il y a environ 30 a 80 fps sur mon chrono.
Another fantastic video- please keep making them! JVB, you are very talented in producing entertaining content that provides useful information for practical hunters. Your natural knack for story telling is apparent. Well done!
Thank you very much!
That 130 grain Barnes ttsx is a nasty bullet in 308 and '06. 3150 fps in my 308 and 3300 fps in my '06. Talked to a guy that shot a 700 lb grizzly with one out of a 308 at 8 yards while he was hunting blacktails. Dropped it in it's tracks and bullet penetrated from shoulder to hip with an exit. Those monolithic bullets amaze me.
Good episode. Have a couple. 30-06 for years ( I'm 70). Never had a 308 although was familiar due to the military. A couple years ago I acquired a M1A1 in 308. I like it but it's not a first choice for hunting, lol .
Great video! I appreciate your insights, knowledge, and experience. Keep up the good work.
Thank you!
Nice balanced review. Ruffled my feathers now and then but when i finished listening to what you were saying, I agreed most of the time.
I have an opposite story to yours though. I have lost more game with the 30-06 than the 308. It was not due to bullet performance though but due to that one thing you mentioned. Inherent accuracy...
PS at 120 yards or less I always go for the brain shot if the animal's angle becomes too acute... Never failed me yet with a 308.
Great video! I personally run a 30-06 with 165gr TTSX or Accubond.
I'm a western hunter and I hunt with both of these cartridges. I started hunting with Barnes bullets three years ago and haven't looked back. They just hit harder. I currently shoot factory ammo for both the 130gr TTSX out of the 308 and the 175gr LRX out of my 30-06. I've been thinking about handloading the 308 with the 175gr LRX for elk since there's no factory option. When I looked at the Barnes reloading manual for both cartridges I was surprised to see that the 308 can be loaded up to 2723fps. That's only about 30fps slower than what I am currently getting that same projectile out of my 30-06. I've always heard the 30-06 is much better than the 308 for larger/longer/heavier projectiles but that doesn't seem to be the case with the 175gr LRX. Even if you handload the 30-06 with the 175gr LRX it isn't doing much more than the 308. Why do you think that is?
Well done sir, someone saw the whole truth. I used just a factory loads just because I am from Europe and because all those gun laws and all that, you can't even so easy get a license in my country for reloading, so because of that I use all factory loads that are a little bit better, but of course for some normal price. I tried some nice Sellier Bellot cheap ammo with 150 grain SPCE and my father used that ammo in his 308, I shoot 30-06 and I must tell you, those both the same bullets work exactly the same, even at gel test they was the same I mean same penetration, so I don't know, but I am not able to see any difference between them. We have some brown bears, but I personally wouldn't take 30-06 over 308 for bear hunting, just because I can have 100 fps more muzzle velocity, that doesn't mean nothing in the praxis, maybe theory, but I don't know, If I would need something stronger I would take maybe 300 Win Mag or something what makes more sence to me. And yes one more thing, I can't really find nothing heavier in my 30-06 than 180 grains, so one more point for the 308 if you ask me...
Great facts. Your videos are always high quality- shoutout to William. I had 2 308 lever actions and an 8x57 before i ever had an -06. When i can reload again (no space right now), am looking forward to working up some loads for the 308's and the #1. Nice M1917 milsurp too. I will have to start with monometal, since Kalifornia is lead free if i ever want to hunt. I will also work up some practice loads with less expensive traditional bullets. As soon as it cools off a little (105+ daily heat wave here in the foothills right now), i am going to dig out the #1, check the sight in, and shoot off some of the factory ammo i have. Probably do the same with the Savage 99 in 308. Been going into withdrawal.......
Thank you sir!
I 90-95% agree with you. Where I disagree is the accuracy part, and can agree with that too if you restrict that to factory ammo. If you reload for you specific rifle and only neck size your brass. I don’t agree with the inherently accuracy statement.
Thanks for the excellent video. I love the thirty aught six and the three oh eight.
With heavier bullets, 180gr to 220gr is where the 30-06 becomes undeniably more capable for large game and extreme distances. The difference is night and day in that regard.
I love 180 out of the good old 30-06
I grew up with a 308. Loved it. I bought myself a 3006 CZ 550 as my one rifle all rounder. It shoots perfectly accurate and with a good suppressor on it, it's recoil is less than a 308. I reload though. Best all round cartridge on the market. 3006 ticks all the boxes. And with a suppressor now a days, the better hearing box too. ❤ It!
Im gonna say the 06 is more accurate than the 308. Especially when the bullet begins to be have to fight the wind. The 06 velocity is a definite plus. 308 is a dandy shell, but it does nothing better, other than being a short action.
I disagree with the 308 being more accurate. Specially with the new rifles & new ammo for the 30-06.
I think why the 308 is considered more accurate is because of shoot ability( how easy a weapon is to use). 308 is definitely easier to shoot then most 30-06s. Typically 308 is a few pounds lighter, barrels are usually a few inches shorter 20-16 inches, almost 10 bl of recoil less. All that just makes it easier for most people to shoot accurately.
But take my Noreen 36x3 long range 30-06 semi auto, gas operated, 22" barrel, with muzzle break, thing will shoot dime sizes to quarter size groups all day off a bipod, at 100-200 yrds. Recoil is hardly noticeable unless shooting from bench with bipod.
It's heavy at 9 bl rifle, plus scope, plus bipod & with fully loaded mag of 20 rounds, you're coming in at about 10-11 bls. But it is my hunting rifle( I don't load 20 rounds when hunting, I only load 5 rounds & put the rest of the box in my pack.)
30-06 dominated the shooting sports until late 70s-early 80's, when the NRA unofficially ban it from competitions, sighting things like safety, ranges getting shorter & trying to get more people into competition shooting. To me, it reminds me of when NASCAR officially went to the cooky cutter cars, they have today ,trying to make it far so everyone can join in.
150 grain bullets can be safely loaded to over 3100 fps in the modern 30-06. That makes a pretty useful load although I agree that the 06 is still at its best with 180-200 grain bullets.
Great and informative video .
Years ago field and stream did a rifle accuracy test.10 differant. . calibers and brands. 30 0 6. Weatherby vanguard.was number one clover leaf. At 100 yards. People dont shoot as good with recoil..
Great episode with Ron Spomer on the 30-06 that he just published. I really appreciate the caliber knowledge that you're sharing both in that video and this one. Thank you.
I load for and hunt deer with the 7.62x39 out of a CZ using 123gr Hornady SST's, but looking to use my 308 this year for larger game. You and Ron have me contemplating a 30-06 though! I'd love to find a vintage rifle chambered in it. Does anyone have a recommendation on an old rifle to pick up used?
1903 Remington 30-06
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1917 Enfield 30-06
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Remington 700 in ADL/BDL
or
Winchester Model 70
My final thoughts every one needs both guns 308 an 30-06.
It you hunt long enough you will miss or wound an animal. That’s just hunting. It sucks but happens. Show me a person that never lost an animal and I will tell you he has not hunted enough.
Great Job and Keep on Keeping On. I love the show and honesty about losing an animal. I’ve have my mess ups also 😂.
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Great info I love both the 308 and30x06 I own both hunt with the 308 mostly not shooting more 150 yards here in Southwest Louisiana
I really like the videos, especially on the cartridge comparisons. Great job William.
I will stick with my 270 Win and get the best and worst of both cartridges. :)
My Benelli Lupo 30 06 shooting 180 grn. Bullets has very mild feeling recoil.
Great episode. And who mows the yard without listening to podcasts?!?!?
Great podcast from you and your son. Very sound comparison of the cartridges withouy going into picking just one. Each has it’s strengths as you have laid out. Subscribed and liked. Keep up the great content. I would imagine comparing my fav, the 2506 and the 6.5 cdmr would probably come out very close to this video.
Thank you very much! The 25-06 is a great cartridge!
Great video! This might be an anomaly but I have a new made rem 700 308 and with 180 grain Speer boat tail soft points and a book max of W748 I’m getting 2,725 fps. I guess it identifies as an ‘06
Choosing between -06 and 308 for me would come down to what the rifle I want can be chambered in
Thanks
I have never understood this. Everybody says 308's more accurate than the '06. There's about seven or eight. 30-06s in my family and these at least 6. 308 and all these 30-06s shoot better. So where do y'all get this at?
I've used a 30-06 for nearly 30 years for whitetails and its never let me down. In a bolt action the 30-06 gets the nod for me. If I wanted a lever action (henry long ranger) or autoloader I'd go with .308. both great cartridges but the 30-06 is more versatile especially with factory ammo.
Joseph you're definitely right about the military not always having the best gear. I was deplyed with an FN M16 A2 and my dpms was better quality and my Stage blows it away. The Beretta M9 is horrible in desert environments no matter how clean you keep them and not that accurate either. Military grade means built by the lowest bidder. All the gear is useable but its rarely the best.
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If you are hand loading you can get quite a bit more out of the 3006. For whitetail I prefer 308, I think 3006 is almost too much for whitetail.
If you're handloading, either cartridge can be anything you want. If 30-06 is too much for whitetails, load it at 30-30 level with 30-30 projectile.
110 v-max out of 308 is great coyote round on the thick oregon coast.
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Pretty simple in my mind want a short action or semi auto use 308. If you dont care about those get a 30-06. 30-06 is better for big game and has a little more range. For most situations it doesn't matter.
Thanks Joseph. Any feedback on the 175 terminal ascent in each caliber? Also the Norma bond strike? That bullet seemed to shoot well in the Beretta BRX you reviewed.
But I still favor the 280 AI!!! But my light rifle is a Kimber in 308 for stand hunting or tracking.
Thanks! The 175-grain Terminal Ascent is outstanding in both cartridges. The .30-06 has an edge with it because the TA is a hybrid-type bullet with a solid rear half, so it's quite long and protrudes down into the .308s powder chamber quite a lot, but it's still very good. As for the BondStrike, I've never shot anything with one. I believe they're a lot like a Nosler AccuBond, so should be pretty darned good.
Great comparison that proves the 300 Win Mag is the way to go! Just kidding everyone. The 30-06 is very capable, but between it and the 308 I choose the 30-06.
Couldn’t make up my mind 40 years ago so I use both to this day. No difference in the field for me.
I have alot of rifles in many different calibers and my 2 go to rounds are 270wsm and 300wsm
I handload a 165gr Sierra gameking hpbt over a healthy dose of 4350 that I have chronographed a 10 shot string with single digit SD and an average velocity in the mid 2980's fps out of my 24" barrel. The extra case case capacity of the '06 definitely takes an edge over the 308 in this regard. In my 308, I can only get mid 2600 fps with the same bullet. Now, my 308 only has a 22" barrel, so you can add about 75 fps in a best case scenario for that extra 2". Even with that, you're looking at a 200 fps difference.
At practical eastern whitetail distances, the difference is negligible. So which one do I choose to take out to the woods with me? A 7mm-08 with a 120gr ballistic tip loaded over a healthy dose of Varget at a shade over 3000 fps.😂
Once again, before I listen, you have put in the qualifier “for your purposes “. Here are the undisputable facts: The 30-06 is a standard length vs a short action length cartridge for the 308 Winchester. As such the 30-06 has a larger case capacity and therefore, with all other factors being equal can propel the same diameter, same weight bullet faster until some genius comes up with a powder that can make the 308 Winchester safely equal the top velocities of the 30-06 with the heaviest available bullets. The heaviest practical bullet for the 30-06 is the 220 grain round nose. Heaviest practical for the 308 is 180 grain and that could be debated. As things stand, the 30-06 has about a 10% advantage over the 308 in the velocity/energy arena. The short action bolt is supposed to be faster to operate. I suggest that if you put the first shot where it counts, the speed of getting off a second shot really isn’t that important. Short actions are allegedly more accurate because they are stiffer. That’s above my pay grade. Which is better or best is purely subjective. I guess I’ll watch now to see what I forgot or just don’t know.😊
Thanks for going in to detail on both . it explains alot, What cast bullet would you use in them. For the size of whitetail ?
I'm here just to tell you one thing, the difference between 30-06 and 308 win is almost impossible to see. My father had a 308 win, and I have a 30-06 and with the same factory loads we couldn't see the difference (ammo that we had was usually up to 180 grains, because that is the ammo that you can usually find in the most of hunting stores), if the shot placement is okay, then every animal must go down. I want just to tell all people who read too much ballistic tables and all that, in my land there was a men who killed 3 brown bears in one day and they all died in few steps after shoot, the caliber he used that day was 7.62x39 out his SKS military rifle. Probably PPU 123 grain soft point ammo, but it worked very well for him, cheapest gun and cheapest ammo, probably is that caliber not good for bear hunting, especially today when you have good choice of everything..... That what I am trying to say is, don't read too much, just take your rifle and go out, one thing is theory and another thing is praxis...
Hands down 3006 in my eyes
Your Man Card n Gun Writers Card are still intact.. I disagree on some points n mentioned.
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3006 is better.... but I love my 308s!
Can you do a video on barrel length on 375 hh and 458 win mag
They are similar
(30-06 is just better period)
Get a 308 if you just want a lighter rifle.
One of the most overused descriptive words for the new cartridges is " inherently accurate " . All new rifles made on CNC machinery & minimum chamber tolerances should be more accurate. I just saw a 3032 yard elr target shot with a 30-06 , holding 1 to 2 moa @ that range . Wow
On 150s Nosler Partition n ABs
Ya can thank me later. Sierras Pro Hunter should be a Good as used em in WSMs n RUMs
PLS next time you can compare US loving 223 Rem with 22 LR same diameter but 22 larger what you thing . Views hunter .
Im getting 2850fps from 165 gr partitons outa my .308. But my barrel is 26inches. Plus the muzzlebreak. All i kno is them nosler partitions outa my 308 absolutely flip deer and hogs right over. Im not stretching at all! Flips em right over
Got to say on head to head availability.. Sad to say it goes to the 308 in ammo n rifle availability..in my area an esp since the panic n shutdowns. OF Course the Hypemoor is more so than anyother. Sad truly sad Makers done forgot East Tn.
One of the advantages of the 308 is that you can use it in a long action magazine and load some really long bullets. Some of those, like Warner Tool Company's Flat Line bullets, can have BC's as high as .838.
Modern hunting bullets also make cartridges much more effective than they were in the past. With their 97%-99% weight retention, monolithic and Federal Terminal Ascent bullets are the equal of much heavier lead-core bullets. E.g. a 168gr bullet of that type would be the equal of a 240gr lead-core bullet, if we assume a 70% weight retention for the lead-core.
I use both on whitetail but if I ever get an elk tag my 06 is going with me. Or should it be the 7 mag🤔🤔 lol
Decisions, decisions! LOL
I will have to finsh watching later..A little over half way. So Far the Man Card n Gun Writers Card Safe😅
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What about them?
Im getting 3033fps with my 3006ai with 180gr/178gr bergers/Hornady eld
Now that's outstanding! I've been intrigued by the .30-06 AI for some time now... Do you recommend it?
@@BackcountryHuntingPodcast only if you don't mind fire forming and reloading.
I can fire form regular 3006 as it will shoot both. Then next time I reload the brass case I can step up to my Ai load.
I'm using a 26" Er shaw match barrel / 3 port brake reloader 22 powder win primers. Accuracy is phenomenal, recoil is actually mild bout like a 22-250-243. It a heavy rifle, rem 700 la barrel is cylinder 1.25" full length on a bell and carlson tactical medalist stock, 4x26 athlon midas tac scope.
The 30-06 will handle 200 to 220 gr. bullets. Better for big bear, large African plains game.
Exactly.
30-06 is best girl
If I took a shot against a dear or wild boar at more than 200m (219yrd), I would be kicked out of my hunting team... 90% of my shots are between 70-130 yards. With this, most reasons to have anything faster than a 308 is lost, it is more interesting to think about switching to 6.5 creedmoor or similar to get even less recoil and even better accuracy.
Go the 110gr Vmax. Goes off like a hand grenade and there’s zero/rare over penetration as it slips past the ribs. Brilliant for head and neck shots. Shoots like a laser.
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BS on 308 More Inherent Accurate
Yea I never got that, kind of a stupid argument to make
Factory tolerance is better on a 308....custom rifles make that argument a non factor
@@brandonhudson3093 No Offense but I stand on what I said before BS. On the 308 being inherent more accurate. Been around a good many n they aint.. I could the 06 is as been around a good number of them n they all are capable of bug holes with the right ammo. I Can no difference in between either 1 accuracy wise n can say the same for others.
@@michaelwilson9986It’s not hard to understand. Tighter tolerances equate to a more inherently accurate cartridge. That doesn’t mean that a 30-06 isn’t capable of being as accurate, or even more accurate. It just means that collectively, as a whole, the cartridge is more inherently accurate due to its design. It is the same with the new “PRC” cartridges.
It has to do with the accepted specifications. 308 were drawn up tighter. Doesn’t mean the gun and chamber were done correctly, or ammo was loaded constantly. Tons of 30-06 shoot awesome, same with 308. But that is what inherently means, regarding the government submitted specs.
3006 all day everyday the 308 is n always will be the Short as similar to the 22 Short is to the 22 long rifle.
Be Bs. bs. The old saw that a 308 is more “inherently accurate “. You’re throwing away your credibility.
The 308 is not necessarily more accurate I have both 308 and 3006. Accuracy depends on the quality of the rifle if they are shooting the same bullet. The 3006 is moving faster and drops less and will be more accurate if you are shooting the same quality match grade rifle. Hands down as you say. They both have there use just as a 22lr has its use. Pick what you need or want for your needs happy hunting
It,s false!!
.30-06> 6.5 cm > .308
Every up side the .308 has over the .30-06, you get more of from the 6.5.
.270 clears them both
Yes on .308 but not really in 30-06 if you are a hand loader.
The man that taught me to reload developed this load for my Browning BAR in 30-06: 46.5gr IMR4895, 165gr HPBT Sierra bullet. The reloading tables show 46.4gr pushing this bullet at V2560 and E 2401 , 46.6gr pushes this bullet at V2570 and E2419 so my load is somewhere in between. Max is 49.7gr with V2800 and E2872. I have taken a lot of whitetails with this load since 1974 and all have been single shot kills and mostly inside of 100 - 200 yards here in SC. One buck I shot facing me at about 100 yds. The bullet hit its right shoulder, traveled down its right side until it hit two ribs, then it angled across its body and we found core and jacket material under the skin on its left hip. The deer went ten feet. One deer dropped in its tracks and didn’t move.
I like the combination and it has worked well for me. I have also used 150gr Remington Core-Lok and 180gr Winchester Blacktallon factory ammo with good results. The selling point that caused my dad to buy the BAR in 30-06 was that it can take everything in North America with the right load and bullet placement. If I were to go after Elk, moose, or bear, I would probably use a 200gr bullet of some sort. I have recently started using an AR in .350 Legend using 165gr Hornady bullets. I got interested after reading an article about it in American Rifleman. Most of my hunting is done under 200 yds so the 30-06 might be a bit of overkill so I decided to try the Legend. It has less recoil and now my AR is doing double duty. I still like my BAR and that would be my choice if I ever hunt out west.
That Sierra 165gr hpbt gameking is the most devastating 30 cal bullet I've ever used. My kids and I lovingly refer to it as the "flying cross," or "finger of god."
With a muzzle velocity near 3000 fps out of my 24" barrel, I have never had a deer make it more than 15 or 20 yards. Most animals are DRT. And I don't do high shoulder shots. Strictly heart/lung shots with a very rare neck shot on a couple does
My Bergara Ridge 308 has been a wonderful rifle in all respects. I’ve taken Whitetail, Black Bear and 300+ pound hogs with it using 165 Federal Fusion factory loaded ammo. I grew up hunting whitetails with a Remington 700 in 30-06 and it never failed me either but I found the 308 as you said is just easier to be accurate with.
I have 30-06, my father had 308 win and with the same bullets I never saw difference between the two, I am talking about factory loads...
Hornady makes a 165 grain cx for the 308. Good bullet. Overall I prefer the 30.06
30-06 vs 308? How many fairy's can dance on the head of pin?
Get calibers that doesn’t overlap. I say jump up 2 classes. If you have a 308 get a 300wm if you need it not a 3006.
There's a difference wierd.Any Deer I to Moose 've asked said they can't tell any difference at all.
Kind of scratching my head at these numbers. Shooting federal gold medal match 185 berger from my 308 w/ 20” barrel I get 2620 ft/sec. Maybe it’s just a slick bullet.
You did make another great point. The bullets in the last 15 years are a factor that can’t be dispensed with, and yet every time a 308/30-06 is compared to a modern cartridge you can bet they stuffed an old bullet in the old cartridge
Look at Hornady numbers. 308 is not shabby and barely behind 30-06. 30-06 can do heavier better
Dont forget Sako Hammerhead and Gamehead
Easy choice. Does a full size rifle fit you, 30-06. Does a short action fit you better, 308.
Great topic. The answer is to get both :) 480p quality here on youtube leaves a lot to be desired.
Thank you! And yes, we did run into some uploading problems on this video.
300 win mag
21:10 Handloading, I just turned 2 M1 Garands into 30-06 DMR rifles. 1.25" and 1.4" 8 shot groups. 5X prism scope, adjustable cheek rest, adjustable gas plug, and a few other mods. None of the mods were permanent and both can be turned back to their original state with an hour or less of turning screws.
That's great! Did you style them after the M1C/M1D rifles?
@@BackcountryHuntingPodcast Nope, Just a modern DMR. Similar to the original GWOT M14 wood stock DMR. The mount and cantilever extension is from Cogburn Arsenal, the scope is a PA 5X micro prism, the cheek riser is the No-drill M14 model from Tac Pro, the gas plus is a Schuster, and an M1 Garand Thumb Saver Holbrook Device from Ebay so I control when it ejects and I'm not constantly chasing down clips. Listened to the competition boys about fixes to improve the precision of the rifle in general. A little load development and Bob's your uncle. Before this they were just random bog standard M1 Garands, nothing special.
@@joearledge Sweet!
Don't Garands start breaking parts prematurely with full power ammo?
@@harrypeterson9287 Yes, the op-rod specifically. It's a roughly 20" long piece of steel that goes from the gas port(immediately under the front sight) to the bolt. It has multiple bends in it by design, which weakens it. Shoot modern hunting ammo in it and the op-rod will likely bend. The way to get around this is an adjustable gas plug. It's tuned so that the op-rod receives just enough force to run the gun, and all of the excess gas is vented out of the plug. My loads are 165gr doing 2860 fps, so about 100 to150 fps below 30-06 "book max". The gun was designed to originally run on 150gr doing 2750 fps(roughly). So my loads are hotter, but not holy hell hot, and the adjustable gas plug keeps my op-rod safe.
Hi Joseph. Great video. Last year I bought a Winchester model 70 Super Grade AAA Maple in 30-06. I've been working up loads for the Barnes 168gr TTSX. The only issue I have with these bullets is the blue polymer tips are not always centered very well. You can see the tip wobble when rolling on a flat surface. Will this effect accuracy?
@nilsforseth404 that's a wonderful rifle! I've seen the same thing with the blue tips... But have never been able to document any adverse affect either on targets or on game. So I just don't worry about it!
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Thank you. You are the first person to give me answer.
Great content. The Vetnam Snipers were not happy to get Remington 700 308 cal. Give up their Win Model 70 in 30-06. The Grunts lost the M1 or M14 to the M16 with no foreward assist. But like you said the Military doesn't always buy what it needs. 308 is a long standing favorite in long range shooting. The Navy even rebarreled the M1 Garand to 308. As well did big bore military comp. shooters. Free ammo since we didn't continue the 30-06. Good read "Dead Center". My uncle, his boys (both Frogmen in Nam) and my Grandpa hunted with 30-06 Bolt Guns. 308 gave us the 7-08, 30-06 gave the 270. Thanks for your time.
For what it’s worth, I just chronographed my 16” 308 gas gun and got the following velocities for factory ammo (avg of 3 shots):
Barnes 130 gr TTSX: 2972
Hornady SPFM 150 gr CX: 2704
Sierra 165 gr TGK: 2506
Rem 165 gr Tipped Core Lokt: 2578
Federal Berger HH 168 gr: 2510
Hornady Outfitter 165 gr CX: 2478
Hornady Precision Hunter 178gr: 2419
Winchester Copper 150 gr: 2640
Hornady Superformance 165 gr CX: 2575
Hornady Superformance 165gr SST: 2645
Federal Terminal Ascent 175gr: 2444
Nosler 150 gr BT: 2652
At the elevation that I hunt at (7000’), the 130 gr TTSX hits 2000fps at ~475 yards with 1200 ft-lbs and the 150 gr CX hits it around 425 yards with 1350 ft-lbs. That’s pretty sweet from a handy 16” package! Certainly adequate for mule deer and elk (respectively) at the stated ranges.
I am glad that he showed the lineup of bullets, largely because it demonstrates that the copper-alloy Barnes 150grain bullet is physically larger than a lead-core 165. It is closer to the 180. Copper (and the alloys used in bullets) is about 20% less dense than lead, so the bullets are larger than most realize for a given weight. That 150 Barnes is actually a pretty big bullet for a 308.
Good rifle and practice with ammo and sights you will be using. Learn to properly field dress your game and a good knife. Understand maps and terrain. And the rest.