To be fair, teaching an antagonist that their whole reason to oppose you is wrong is a pretty neat way of progressing. It’s nice to have intellectual fisticuffs rather than physical ones for once.
"Grovyle run me by that again were not going to disappear let me explain why!" *hours later Piplup disappears just to have Dialga revive him & see his partner on the beach crying* "wow that shit felt all too real remind me not to re live it god I feel lucky!" *happens again with Palkia waking & immediately warping them* "you son of a b**ch I was sleeping! do you know how long the Snorlax sleep!?" XD
I love how this implies that, not only is Back to the Future canon in this series, but even in the time-frozen future, somehow Dialga has access to a working DVD-Player (or something similar), a copy of the movie and a TV Screen. PS: Love these skits, they're great!
In my experience, there’s three main types of fictional time travel. The Back to the Future kind, the Prisoner of Azkaban kind, and that timeline thing with Schrödinger Piplup mentioned.
@@BierBart12 You can't change the past in Harry Potter; what happened, happened. You can, however, do things that don't contradict what happened before.
In Super Mystery Dungeon, Grovile, Dusknoir and Celebi all reappear with dialogue relating to their adventures in Explorers. So Piplup was ABSOLUTELY right... ...I think. Time travel is confusing
Some spoilers for some bonus content in PMS:EOS, skip if you want. There are bonus sections known as Special Episodes, which let's you play as another character and expand their story. In the fifth one you play as Grovyle in the future while the protagonists ascend through Temporal Tower. It explains what happens to the future Pokemon, Dusknoir's motivations and has a lot of great lines. The trio's appearance in PSMD does work out with what was set up in EOS.
EOS gotta be one of few examples in media where a time travel plot is perfectly easy to follow and doesn’t get to complicated as it avoids most of the confusing aspects of time travel-no time loop crap, thank god-so it’s funny to see a skit making fun of the characters for taking the simple rules it established of time travel so seriously. Really good stuff!
Not exactly. There's literally a Special Episode where we play as Grovyle and Dusknoir fighting Primal Dialga in the future while the protagonists defeat him in the past. I won't elaborate any further because it just becomes a Grandfather's Paradox the more you think about it.
I guess it doesn't really matter, but I've always thought that it was an arbitrary rule set by Arceus so things wouldn't get out of hand, especially since Arceus clearly has the power to just ignore the rules of time travel if he wants, as evidenced by the future timeline not dissapearing.
@@alakazamlover4908 Assuming that's the same Arceus, that is. But to be fair it would explain how the future was freed of its curse despite being a separate universe from the past...
@@alakazamlover4908yes however that did not stop the future because arceus was in it and truthfully arceus could have taken back the jewel at any time but only stopped judgment day when one showed compassion also this is headlining but I don't think arceus was going to die and the red eyes were sign of him getting ready to erase the universe.
i legit dont remember the movie so ill trust your judgement on that, i was just sourcing the only media we have that has both time travel AND Arceus in it @@Theserperiortrainer497
If they were erased from time, they wouldn't have been able to "fix" the timeline in the first place creating a paradox. So assuming that the premise of time travel being feasible can't be false, the alternate time line theory holds considerable weight.
The thing for paradoxes is Why would changes create a loop instead of a branch? Like why would preventing your own existence somehow change the timeline that doesn’t exist anymore? It would branch from the time your existence is prevented, not loop and pluck you from and reset the timeline; you just don’t exist. Who prevented your conception? Still you, but now you cease to exist at the same time you prevent your own existence and the timeline branches and keeps going.
@@SupHapCak you'd be deleting the timeline that you came from up to the point where you made the alteration. The you of THAT timeline is what caused a change, but if that timeline was erased, then where did the catalyst for change come from?
@@TitusRedwind The "strongest" interpretation of time travel is spontaneous manifestation of people that believe themselves to be time travelers, but are not. Because it applies even in realities where time travel is genuinely impossible.
Or it just ceases to exist - from that point on - As far as Mystery Dungeon is concerned they were erased from history. That definitely happened in the games, but the fact an entity above Dialga was able to step in and prevent them from disappearing, and Dialga was able to make the main character reappear, would imply they're still able to either "bring back" the original timeline entirely or merge it with the existing timeline in some way.
The only thing I can come to (which I believe is still one hell of a stretch) is that it all depends on HOW you time travel: the tech/magic, the method, do you rewind time or travel through it, and so on.
Fun fact, Schrodinger's theory was meant to MAKE FUN OF that kind of thinking. The cat isn't alive and dead at the same time just because nobody sees it, it's definitely alive or dead but they don't know which yet. So Piplup's sort of right. What would likely happen is a branched or doomed timeline where the Pokemon exist but need divine intervention to interact with the main timeline (which is most likely what happened), the Pokemon exist but in different situations which would create a time paradox (because the whole plot is about causing said paradox), or the events would eventually happen just at another time (what Darkrai wanted to happen)
Primal dialga know they won't get erased but according to quantum mechanics if they created an alternative timeline it would be a alternative reality and Palkia would have a cooler power and they cant have that
I think that the Explorers games operate under the mass event principle of timelines in that there is an event, so giant and devastating that should it come to pass, all attempts at changing the future will be for naught. Should that massive event be prevented then the timeline will be irreversibly severed and changed from the old timeline. However, that future should still exist unless you consider the “canon event” idea from across the spider verse; that without that canon event having happened and the timeline severed, the future timeline ribbon would shrivel into nothing.
I sorta see it more like how the doomed timelines of Homestuck work; otherwise how could Protag-chan come back? Perhaps Arceus went Theseus and rebuilt them with different particles but with all of their memories, or maybe there's many offshoot timelines that can't reach the main timeline without divine intervention. That sort of seems to be how Pokemon Ultra SM did it, with Rainbow Rocket. In regards to what divine intervention...Cyrus probably was the first to actually go back, probably got Giovanni since he's the most well known and actually ran a mafia, and it went on from there. Or maybe he got the Celebi hidden away, from HGSS?
I thought it was like the Soulreaver rules where in order to actually change time you need to do something really drastic to the timeline to actually make an impact.
@@gluttonousgoddessprotag Chan came back because of present day dialga more than anything. One of the last lines of dialogue which happen after the credits but before the “I beat the game” soft reset. Dialga talks and says something along the lines of “partner Chan… you did your best to save the world. And now you’re heartbroken. Take this gift from me, and continue to do good for the world.” And then dialga roars and protag Chan reappears in the exact same spot on the beach that he was found at the beginning of the game
Dialga watching spongebob suddenly, made me laugh way to hard LMAO also im so glad you’re getting more recognition I remember seeing your video in my recommended with like less than 300 views now its almost over 50k congrats
Really good quality on those skits! Its interesting that Dusknoir is pokemon from the future and yet seems to have the lack of knowledge of both a zoomer and a boomer.(Like seriously is there no trains in this world?)
as far as PMD games go I've never seen any train tracks or other forms of mechanical travel hidden anywhere. The closest thing we have is the power plant in the first game, but nothing in relation to travel. It's suggested the world could be a post human one, but there are a lot of missing things if that were actually the case. There is a train in pokepark 2 but that's irrelevant
Funny thing is that if Pimplup actually convinced dusknoir of this in game, he would have probably just given up or even assisted them. His entire motivation is not wanting to disapear so if he found out that he wouldn't disapear, there would have been no more reason to stop them.
@@toolatetothestory What makes it great is that it is actually ambiguous if the Mc gang is actually morally right, they are basically comitting mass sacrifice cause they decided its justified by its ends. Its a giant trolly problem in its essence until Arceus goes "Just kidding, everyone lives".
@@lunathic Seriously, saving the world, for a better future, at the cost of the CURRENT future and everyone living in it is a GREAT dilemma. Why tf have I only ever seen this in a niche Pokemon Spinoff?
@@toolatetothestory In a way, Volo's plan in PLA is somewhat similar to what Grovyle wanted to do, differing in motivation and methods... and writing quality. Both planned to sacrify the world they lived in to create a better one. The difference lies in that Volo made out an excuse, that "there was so much suffering and evil in the world" to try and justify his god complex to himself, despite the fact that the world he lived wasn't even close to be as bad as he claims it is. He wouldn't have saved anyone at all... not that he could ever force Arceus to do anything against its will, so his plan was doomed from the start. Grovyle, on the other hand, came from a future where time was stopped and everyone was miserable. By preventing the time-stopping catastrophe from happening, he would be saving so many lives from the past and allow them to have a better future where neither them or their descendants would have to live miserable lives, even if it meant having to die for it. Life quality was so bad that the few Pokémon that didn't get corrupted by the harsh environmet accepted such outcome, as stated by Grovyle in Special Episode 5. Dusknoir, and the Sableye too, were suffering as well, living that miserable way, but chose to try stop Grovyle because they feared death despite having literally nothing else to lose, which is still very understandable. Grovyle didn't want to die, either, but was willing to make the sacrifice. The world Volo was trying to destroy "for a better future" was one were many people and Pokémon were living happy lives, and had so much more to lose than just their lifes. Volo was so selfish he decided that because he in particular suffered, he will destroy the current world to create one where nobody suffers, because he didn't even consider he could try to make a better world by, dunno, building an orphanage. Not wanting to die is a very understandable reason to try to stop both Grovyle and Volo, but Dusknoir would lose a life full of suffering he shared with everyone else in his world while Akari/Rei would lose their own happy life and the happy lifes of everyone else. Besides, I'm pretty sure Volo would just stop in his tracks if he found out he would have to die with his universe in order to create a new one where nobody suffers because he's that selfish. Grovyle would be ashamed of Volo.
@@luciacamacho444 TO BE FAIR If you look more into the lore, Volo does not have a reason that shallow. If I remember right, his people have basically died out, as they were the original Natives to the area even before the Clans showed up. And let's not pretend that Legends Arceus isn't the second most darkest setting in Pomemon so far. Wild attacks that disable people, Kamado lost HIS people to a Pokemon Attack as well which makes him now pretty ruthless and paranoid as all hell, all the conflict between the clans cannot have been this peaceful all the time either. Volo has pretty good reasons for his cynicism, more than Cyrus had in the original, and tbh I think Cyrus just had bad personal experiences. Either way, it definitely isn't all just "happy lifes", there are a LOT of issues that still plague Hisui that are pretty easy to see, not to mention seeing his people basically wiped from the face of the earth. With the only exceptions being him and Cogita. And I mean. As a response Arceus kidnapped a Teenager. I would also like to beat it up at the very least, I'd join Volo if given the option xD
I love how this is a meme that if you haven’t played the specific PMD game, you’ll think you know what’s going on but you actually don’t. It’s made for such a niche audience and I am honored to be a part of it
The flaw with that reasoning is that the process of time itself is an expression of the energy of the interaction between particles, so it's not that those particles disappear, it's that they cease to have existed at all.
Yeah when I first played the game I got to that scene and was all "...wait...but if we never existed than we could never have traveled back to the past to fix a broken timeline that was never broken but without us the timeline would break and we'd have to go back and prevent ourselves from existing and oh no I've gone cross-eyed..." Terminator 2's ending had the exact same run-afoul with the Grandfather Paradox.
Bro I want you to know your Dusknoir voice is amazing and I have played Explorers for the first time reading almost all his lines with that voice. Fenomenal
If Pokémon of the future cease to exist if the future is changed, that means they couldn't have been able to go back into the past to change the future in the first place, which means the future would be the same, which means they will exist, which means they do go back, and so on and so forth. It's an endless paradox.
I freaking love this channel oh my god how can it be that you appear out of nowhere with these hilarious videos after only 15 years since Pokemon mistery dungeon explorer's of sky release?? I don't know why is that but please DON'T STOP
This seems to be based off the Many-Worlds Interpretation that cropped up un the 1970s to "solve" the paradox of the waveform collapse brought forth by thought experiments like Schrodinger's Cat. The problem was that a lot of this "paradox" came from scientists asserting that quantuam mechanics "had to" work the same as other field physics we understood at the time, and the reasons why it didn't was because of some sort of fundamental misunderstanding of how it worked on humanity's part. The problem is that after decades of study, our best understanding of quantum physics could basically be summed up as "it's just built different", we can't find any clean explanation for why Quanatum Mechnaics works the way it does, and how it works with the classical physics, and we almost certainly aren't gonna find one anytime soon.
Sorry Piplup, but I think that it doesn't matter how much sense your theory makes, if the literal God of Time says it doesn't work like that then it just doesn't.
Sure, if you believe in the multiverse model and accept that "timelines" don't just move forward, but you still can't erase yourself in a single universe block-time model because whatever you're going to do in the past was already done in your past. Yeah, Dialga would have a lot more fun in a multiverse model. More interactive than a flip book.
Timetravel stories man, they're never easy. Either you end up with new timelines that are disconnected like Trunks where going back only serves to help those in the other timeline and find crucial information, Static timelines that are just in a loop like the events of Young Justice's final season, or they are just confusing like how does a self erasure paradox even work.
Most viewers: Oh my god! It totally WOULD work that way! Piplup knows what's actually up! How could Dusknoir and Grovyle be such idiots! Me with a physics degree: (pulls out hair) MASS IS NOT A @#$%ING CONSERVED QUANTITY PIPLUP!!!!! THAT'S ENERGY!!!!! ENERGY I SAY!!!!!! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Look, it depends on which interpretation exists. Because I have one awnser. We can only timetravel to the future because going backwards would cause a grandfather paradox. But if we ignore the grandfather paradox, then going back in time to meet a past self is no longer time travel, we're now universe hopping because I created a new branch of reality with two mees in it.
Technically they don't even need Schrodinger's theories, if the events that prevent the future from occurring require the future to occur, you either have a paradox or an open time loop. Given that a paradox can't exist (it's a closed loop with no valid entry point), then it must be an open loop, meaning that the future is actually part of the linear past (it can basically be thought of as you can't jump back from the future, but you can jump so far forward that everything's repeated up to the point you want to arrive (you can also always jump to any point between where you last jumped forwards from and where you first jumped forwards to, as your actions won't have a causal effect on your past)) For a visual explanation: (Original timeline up to divergence)>>{original timeline after your last departure}>||>(second timeline up until your last departure from it)>>{secondary timeline after your last departure}>||>(n-th timeline before your arrival) >> Indicates free time travel direction || Indicates a causal reset, where cause and effect are not carried over outside of what is brought across it by time travellers. () Indicates time that you cannot alter or travel to {} Indicates time that you can travel between freely both forwards and backwards (you can still only travel within it freely forwards).
If anyone is still confused about the rules of time travel, let me simplify it. It’s basically like DBZ rules, you’re not REALLY going into YOUR past but another universes present that’s like your past. No matter what you do in that universe, your timeline will still be the same, but that one will go into another course for better or for worse
But In This Game You DO Go To The Past, After Fixing The Tower The Main Protagonist Starts Dissapearing (And So Do The Future-Pokemon On Grovyle's Special Chapter) But Past-Dialga Makes The Protagonist Return And Inadvertedly (Or Purposefully) Also Affects The Future Timeline, Making The Future Pokemon And The Timeline Itself Stay Exhisting As Its Own Even Future-Dialga Knows That It Was Done By A Power Higher Than Himself
Ah a legendary primal pokemon of culture. I hear kyogre and groudon keep having arguments around if ben 10 or adventure time is a better show. Honestly though i’m a chowder fan myself.
Ngl I wanna see a short of this with Piplup and Chimchar having a conversation. Like I’m genuinely curious on what they talk about during their free time and what not.
Aight, here we go: Piplup knows what a train is. Back To The Future exists. Dialga has a working DVD player and screen in a time-frozen wasteland. Spongebob is a thing, and isn’t full of Pokémon. Schrodinger was a real person and implies Pokémon already know a considerable bit about humans. Some Pokémon study physics and have a rudimentary understanding. 1950s implies a Christian calendar. *Jesus is canon.*
I love to think that besides his name the only other thing piplup remembered from being a human is theories of quantum mechanics
And what trains are
and maybe the plot of back to the future@@Hadaron
Wait yeah isn't the MC of these games a human who got isekai'd to the pokemon world??
@@themachoechidnaugandarandy7583 In this one specifically the human wad still human in the world until timetravel shenanigans happen.
Wouldn't be surprised if the human characters retained all the knowledge from human world, but just forgot anything that involved them specifically
I like how Piplup cared more about explaining why Dusknoir was wrong than going on the Rainbow Stoneship
Literally the internet
To be fair, teaching an antagonist that their whole reason to oppose you is wrong is a pretty neat way of progressing. It’s nice to have intellectual fisticuffs rather than physical ones for once.
"Grovyle run me by that again were not going to disappear let me explain why!" *hours later Piplup disappears just to have Dialga revive him & see his partner on the beach crying* "wow that shit felt all too real remind me not to re live it god I feel lucky!" *happens again with Palkia waking & immediately warping them* "you son of a b**ch I was sleeping! do you know how long the Snorlax sleep!?" XD
He needs to get his priorities straight
I love how Dialga just turns around and starts watching Spongebob
GROH
Ooooooooooooooh
The new one has him watching Better Call Saul
I love how this implies that, not only is Back to the Future canon in this series, but even in the time-frozen future, somehow Dialga has access to a working DVD-Player (or something similar), a copy of the movie and a TV Screen.
PS: Love these skits, they're great!
Back to the Future: ✅️ Confirmed and bible to Time Travel laws
Spongebob Squarepants: ✅️ Confirmed and entertaining for Time Gods
It also says the literal God of Time is basing things on Back To The Future rules.
and also, they don't know what trains are
Oh hey checkpoint guy
my theory is before going mad he and palkia watched them and he asked him for one
In my experience, there’s three main types of fictional time travel. The Back to the Future kind, the Prisoner of Azkaban kind, and that timeline thing with Schrödinger Piplup mentioned.
I think the Harry Potter time travel is exactly the same as the BttF(Single, malleable timeline), just with different kinds of paradoxes
@@BierBart12 You can't change the past in Harry Potter; what happened, happened. You can, however, do things that don't contradict what happened before.
@@TitaniumDragon Until the whole thing with Cursed Child
And then there's The Legend of Zelda which switch between any of the three rules any time it fucking want, sometime even in the same game.
What Piplup mentioned is known as a Multiverse Theory. And it's a BITCH.
In Super Mystery Dungeon, Grovile, Dusknoir and Celebi all reappear with dialogue relating to their adventures in Explorers. So Piplup was ABSOLUTELY right...
...I think. Time travel is confusing
Some spoilers for some bonus content in PMS:EOS, skip if you want.
There are bonus sections known as Special Episodes, which let's you play as another character and expand their story. In the fifth one you play as Grovyle in the future while the protagonists ascend through Temporal Tower.
It explains what happens to the future Pokemon, Dusknoir's motivations and has a lot of great lines. The trio's appearance in PSMD does work out with what was set up in EOS.
It's more that we don't have proof on how it works so we just guess.
More like Dialga made an AU after the timeline was changed, and allowed those that survived in the future timeline to come back despite the paradox
Can't blame them, time travel is confusing.
As a screenwriter I make a point to avoid it
Yeah but time travel fanfictions always tickles my fancy.@@HyperTrent
Oh, time travel isn't really _that_ confusing. Just think of time as a big ball of wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey... stuff.
- some guy with a PhD, I think
@@benjaminoechsli1941 "Actually, it's more of a rug... oh, never mind!"
Moral of the story: Time travel sucks
EOS gotta be one of few examples in media where a time travel plot is perfectly easy to follow and doesn’t get to complicated as it avoids most of the confusing aspects of time travel-no time loop crap, thank god-so it’s funny to see a skit making fun of the characters for taking the simple rules it established of time travel so seriously. Really good stuff!
I am professionally trained in writing and I can assure you EoS is one of the few stories that gets it right
@HyperTrent can I ask what EoS is exactly? I keep trying tk figure it out and just....can't.
@@SonicBlast4444explorers of sky
@@mr_fish44 ooooooooh. Well now I feel dumb. I've never heard it called EoS anywhere so that's what tripped me
Not exactly.
There's literally a Special Episode where we play as Grovyle and Dusknoir fighting Primal Dialga in the future while the protagonists defeat him in the past.
I won't elaborate any further because it just becomes a Grandfather's Paradox the more you think about it.
I guess it doesn't really matter, but I've always thought that it was an arbitrary rule set by Arceus so things wouldn't get out of hand, especially since Arceus clearly has the power to just ignore the rules of time travel if he wants, as evidenced by the future timeline not dissapearing.
i mean the plot of the Arceus movie implies he allows time travel and for future-people to affect the past
@@alakazamlover4908 Assuming that's the same Arceus, that is. But to be fair it would explain how the future was freed of its curse despite being a separate universe from the past...
i feel like it remembered Ash and friends, but i haven't seen Jewl of life in a hot minute @@soulglitcher
@@alakazamlover4908yes however that did not stop the future because arceus was in it and truthfully arceus could have taken back the jewel at any time but only stopped judgment day when one showed compassion also this is headlining but I don't think arceus was going to die and the red eyes were sign of him getting ready to erase the universe.
i legit dont remember the movie so ill trust your judgement on that, i was just sourcing the only media we have that has both time travel AND Arceus in it @@Theserperiortrainer497
2:04 I'd like to think that Dusknoir spent weeks, months, YEARS even, just to come back with the Back to the Future argument.
he really couldve taken as long as he liked lol so long as he comes back right after he left
Master Dialga is just like me, fr fr.
The way he talks or the way he just starts watching spongebob?
@@user-ICY-Andreid Yes
Your making me wanna watch chowder rn. You know what screw it i’m doing it.
@@aaronlopez5163Did you enjoy watching Chowder
I love this style of content just the "did he take the time gears with him?" Is such a good detail!
Dialga turning to watch Spongebob was so unexpected people are looking at me why im laughing like mad
"Whats a train?"
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"Have you considered the plot of back to the future?"
I don't know why, but that killed me. 🤣
I love the implication he knows the plot of back to the future but not what trains are
@@marisolramirez9591 He was told what to say, word for word, by Primal Dialga.
If they were erased from time, they wouldn't have been able to "fix" the timeline in the first place creating a paradox.
So assuming that the premise of time travel being feasible can't be false, the alternate time line theory holds considerable weight.
The thing for paradoxes is
Why would changes create a loop instead of a branch?
Like why would preventing your own existence somehow change the timeline that doesn’t exist anymore?
It would branch from the time your existence is prevented, not loop and pluck you from and reset the timeline; you just don’t exist.
Who prevented your conception? Still you, but now you cease to exist at the same time you prevent your own existence and the timeline branches and keeps going.
@@SupHapCak you'd be deleting the timeline that you came from up to the point where you made the alteration. The you of THAT timeline is what caused a change, but if that timeline was erased, then where did the catalyst for change come from?
Time traveling to the past is problematic and probably cant eith our physics
@@TitusRedwind The "strongest" interpretation of time travel is spontaneous manifestation of people that believe themselves to be time travelers, but are not. Because it applies even in realities where time travel is genuinely impossible.
Or it just ceases to exist - from that point on -
As far as Mystery Dungeon is concerned they were erased from history. That definitely happened in the games, but the fact an entity above Dialga was able to step in and prevent them from disappearing, and Dialga was able to make the main character reappear, would imply they're still able to either "bring back" the original timeline entirely or merge it with the existing timeline in some way.
Man that ending was so unexpected I almost spit out my water that was comedy gold lmao
The only thing I can come to (which I believe is still one hell of a stretch) is that it all depends on HOW you time travel: the tech/magic, the method, do you rewind time or travel through it, and so on.
I like just thinking piplup here is just TCNick3 and honestly it fits PERFECTLY
0:43
“BE F**KING FR”
Piplup’s voice is so good.
I friggin love these PMD voice overs! Please make more of these
Fun fact, Schrodinger's theory was meant to MAKE FUN OF that kind of thinking. The cat isn't alive and dead at the same time just because nobody sees it, it's definitely alive or dead but they don't know which yet.
So Piplup's sort of right. What would likely happen is a branched or doomed timeline where the Pokemon exist but need divine intervention to interact with the main timeline (which is most likely what happened), the Pokemon exist but in different situations which would create a time paradox (because the whole plot is about causing said paradox), or the events would eventually happen just at another time (what Darkrai wanted to happen)
Primal dialga know they won't get erased but according to quantum mechanics if they created an alternative timeline it would be a alternative reality and Palkia would have a cooler power and they cant have that
I think that the Explorers games operate under the mass event principle of timelines in that there is an event, so giant and devastating that should it come to pass, all attempts at changing the future will be for naught. Should that massive event be prevented then the timeline will be irreversibly severed and changed from the old timeline. However, that future should still exist unless you consider the “canon event” idea from across the spider verse; that without that canon event having happened and the timeline severed, the future timeline ribbon would shrivel into nothing.
I sorta see it more like how the doomed timelines of Homestuck work; otherwise how could Protag-chan come back? Perhaps Arceus went Theseus and rebuilt them with different particles but with all of their memories, or maybe there's many offshoot timelines that can't reach the main timeline without divine intervention. That sort of seems to be how Pokemon Ultra SM did it, with Rainbow Rocket. In regards to what divine intervention...Cyrus probably was the first to actually go back, probably got Giovanni since he's the most well known and actually ran a mafia, and it went on from there. Or maybe he got the Celebi hidden away, from HGSS?
I thought it was like the Soulreaver rules where in order to actually change time you need to do something really drastic to the timeline to actually make an impact.
@@gluttonousgoddessprotag Chan came back because of present day dialga more than anything. One of the last lines of dialogue which happen after the credits but before the “I beat the game” soft reset. Dialga talks and says something along the lines of “partner Chan… you did your best to save the world. And now you’re heartbroken. Take this gift from me, and continue to do good for the world.” And then dialga roars and protag Chan reappears in the exact same spot on the beach that he was found at the beginning of the game
I'm so, so happy to see these games make any kind of resurgence, especially one so finely memed!
Dialga watching spongebob suddenly, made me laugh way to hard LMAO
also im so glad you’re getting more recognition I remember seeing your video in my recommended with like less than 300 views now its almost over 50k congrats
Really good quality on those skits!
Its interesting that Dusknoir is pokemon from the future and yet seems to have the lack of knowledge of both a zoomer and a boomer.(Like seriously is there no trains in this world?)
a fellow touhou fan?
as far as PMD games go I've never seen any train tracks or other forms of mechanical travel hidden anywhere. The closest thing we have is the power plant in the first game, but nothing in relation to travel. It's suggested the world could be a post human one, but there are a lot of missing things if that were actually the case.
There is a train in pokepark 2 but that's irrelevant
Please don't stop making these.
Funny thing is that if Pimplup actually convinced dusknoir of this in game, he would have probably just given up or even assisted them. His entire motivation is not wanting to disapear so if he found out that he wouldn't disapear, there would have been no more reason to stop them.
Which, to be completely fair, is a really good motivation to be a bad guy.
Not wanting to die. Survival instinct. Yeah, makes perfect sense.
@@toolatetothestory What makes it great is that it is actually ambiguous if the Mc gang is actually morally right, they are basically comitting mass sacrifice cause they decided its justified by its ends. Its a giant trolly problem in its essence until Arceus goes "Just kidding, everyone lives".
@@lunathic Seriously, saving the world, for a better future, at the cost of the CURRENT future and everyone living in it is a GREAT dilemma.
Why tf have I only ever seen this in a niche Pokemon Spinoff?
@@toolatetothestory In a way, Volo's plan in PLA is somewhat similar to what Grovyle wanted to do, differing in motivation and methods... and writing quality.
Both planned to sacrify the world they lived in to create a better one.
The difference lies in that Volo made out an excuse, that "there was so much suffering and evil in the world" to try and justify his god complex to himself, despite the fact that the world he lived wasn't even close to be as bad as he claims it is. He wouldn't have saved anyone at all... not that he could ever force Arceus to do anything against its will, so his plan was doomed from the start.
Grovyle, on the other hand, came from a future where time was stopped and everyone was miserable. By preventing the time-stopping catastrophe from happening, he would be saving so many lives from the past and allow them to have a better future where neither them or their descendants would have to live miserable lives, even if it meant having to die for it. Life quality was so bad that the few Pokémon that didn't get corrupted by the harsh environmet accepted such outcome, as stated by Grovyle in Special Episode 5.
Dusknoir, and the Sableye too, were suffering as well, living that miserable way, but chose to try stop Grovyle because they feared death despite having literally nothing else to lose, which is still very understandable. Grovyle didn't want to die, either, but was willing to make the sacrifice.
The world Volo was trying to destroy "for a better future" was one were many people and Pokémon were living happy lives, and had so much more to lose than just their lifes. Volo was so selfish he decided that because he in particular suffered, he will destroy the current world to create one where nobody suffers, because he didn't even consider he could try to make a better world by, dunno, building an orphanage.
Not wanting to die is a very understandable reason to try to stop both Grovyle and Volo, but Dusknoir would lose a life full of suffering he shared with everyone else in his world while Akari/Rei would lose their own happy life and the happy lifes of everyone else.
Besides, I'm pretty sure Volo would just stop in his tracks if he found out he would have to die with his universe in order to create a new one where nobody suffers because he's that selfish. Grovyle would be ashamed of Volo.
@@luciacamacho444 TO BE FAIR
If you look more into the lore, Volo does not have a reason that shallow. If I remember right, his people have basically died out, as they were the original Natives to the area even before the Clans showed up.
And let's not pretend that Legends Arceus isn't the second most darkest setting in Pomemon so far.
Wild attacks that disable people, Kamado lost HIS people to a Pokemon Attack as well which makes him now pretty ruthless and paranoid as all hell, all the conflict between the clans cannot have been this peaceful all the time either.
Volo has pretty good reasons for his cynicism, more than Cyrus had in the original, and tbh I think Cyrus just had bad personal experiences.
Either way, it definitely isn't all just "happy lifes", there are a LOT of issues that still plague Hisui that are pretty easy to see, not to mention seeing his people basically wiped from the face of the earth. With the only exceptions being him and Cogita.
And I mean. As a response Arceus kidnapped a Teenager. I would also like to beat it up at the very least, I'd join Volo if given the option xD
cackling at the implication of explaining who Schrodinger was and all the leadup to explaining his theories
Dude these are incredible. Keep up the amazing work!!
I love how this is a meme that if you haven’t played the specific PMD game, you’ll think you know what’s going on but you actually don’t. It’s made for such a niche audience and I am honored to be a part of it
1:04 an alternative reality where pokemon replace their real world inspirations doesn't sound that bad
Dialga's gotta watch his Spongebob.
The flaw with that reasoning is that the process of time itself is an expression of the energy of the interaction between particles, so it's not that those particles disappear, it's that they cease to have existed at all.
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@@ShyShimote20same here
Piplup really got an attitude
can you do one where it’s darkrai manipulating piplup in dark crater but they actually agree to it, much to everyone’s shock
Yeah when I first played the game I got to that scene and was all "...wait...but if we never existed than we could never have traveled back to the past to fix a broken timeline that was never broken but without us the timeline would break and we'd have to go back and prevent ourselves from existing and oh no I've gone cross-eyed..."
Terminator 2's ending had the exact same run-afoul with the Grandfather Paradox.
Aight this is high quality content the pokemon mystery dungeon series deserves
Chimchar was the best part and then it only got even funnier... wow. The deleted scene is a bit of untold genius XD
I'm glad you made another one, they're so good!
really high quality here, good stuff
I respect the effort put into the little things like mic quality, getting good still frames, and the dialga edit
Thank you for posting a video on my b-day
May your channel reach a huge milestone 😊
These are so good lmao, really good content. Please make em for as long as it's still enjoyable
These skits have been so fun. I adore all the voices so much
I never thought I'd see Pmd content ever again
The bit with Dialga and Dusknoir has to be my favorite bit, I love how Dialga just watches Spongebob after XD
Bro I want you to know your Dusknoir voice is amazing and I have played Explorers for the first time reading almost all his lines with that voice. Fenomenal
I like how every time dusknoir gets technically defeated his immediate reaction is to go back to dialga 😅
Piplup is the sassiest Pokemon ever and I am here for all of it.
If Pokémon of the future cease to exist if the future is changed, that means they couldn't have been able to go back into the past to change the future in the first place, which means the future would be the same, which means they will exist, which means they do go back, and so on and so forth. It's an endless paradox.
And this kids is how the paradox Pokémon (in theory) were created)
The voice acting here is so great!
In the words of Cell, "Multiverse Theory's a bitch"
I freaking love this channel oh my god how can it be that you appear out of nowhere with these hilarious videos after only 15 years since Pokemon mistery dungeon explorer's of sky release??
I don't know why is that but please DON'T STOP
I am so happy you are making more of these! 💙
I don't care how much sense it makes,the branched timeline thing takes a lot of fun out of time travel. No risk and no reward
Dusknoir says he doesn’t know what a train is, but there was a train in back to the future 🤔
He needed to ask Dialga what a train was too off screen
Thar was BttF 3 tho. No trains in the 1st one.
This seems to be based off the Many-Worlds Interpretation that cropped up un the 1970s to "solve" the paradox of the waveform collapse brought forth by thought experiments like Schrodinger's Cat. The problem was that a lot of this "paradox" came from scientists asserting that quantuam mechanics "had to" work the same as other field physics we understood at the time, and the reasons why it didn't was because of some sort of fundamental misunderstanding of how it worked on humanity's part. The problem is that after decades of study, our best understanding of quantum physics could basically be summed up as "it's just built different", we can't find any clean explanation for why Quanatum Mechnaics works the way it does, and how it works with the classical physics, and we almost certainly aren't gonna find one anytime soon.
Sorry Piplup, but I think that it doesn't matter how much sense your theory makes, if the literal God of Time says it doesn't work like that then it just doesn't.
Doing another playthrough of PMD. Remind me, where do you recruit the deity of time, Schrödinger?
This is my new favourite series on RUclips
This is great. Glad you made more lol. Guess I’ll be subbing
This video is so weird and i love it!
Sure, if you believe in the multiverse model and accept that "timelines" don't just move forward, but you still can't erase yourself in a single universe block-time model because whatever you're going to do in the past was already done in your past.
Yeah, Dialga would have a lot more fun in a multiverse model. More interactive than a flip book.
Oh that was absolutely delightful
Solid JJ inspired videos gotta be my favorite kinda of videos (when done right)
I love how Schrödinger and Back to the Future are known entities in the Pokemon world, yet trains aren’t
Timetravel stories man, they're never easy.
Either you end up with new timelines that are disconnected like Trunks where going back only serves to help those in the other timeline and find crucial information, Static timelines that are just in a loop like the events of Young Justice's final season, or they are just confusing like how does a self erasure paradox even work.
Or the mess that is Sonic 06
Most viewers: Oh my god! It totally WOULD work that way! Piplup knows what's actually up! How could Dusknoir and Grovyle be such idiots!
Me with a physics degree: (pulls out hair) MASS IS NOT A @#$%ING CONSERVED QUANTITY PIPLUP!!!!! THAT'S ENERGY!!!!! ENERGY I SAY!!!!!! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I watched this video with no sound.
I swear I hear tcnick3 voicing piplup
One thing I love is this implies Dusknoir has either watched BttF1 (and maybe 2), but not 3 since he doesn't know what a train is.
thank you so much for this hilarious series, i think the whole house heard me laughing xD
God, I’m so glad I found this channel.
Grovyle. 15 minutes could save you 15% or more on stoneship insurance
Look, it depends on which interpretation exists. Because I have one awnser.
We can only timetravel to the future because going backwards would cause a grandfather paradox.
But if we ignore the grandfather paradox, then going back in time to meet a past self is no longer time travel, we're now universe hopping because I created a new branch of reality with two mees in it.
Technically they don't even need Schrodinger's theories, if the events that prevent the future from occurring require the future to occur, you either have a paradox or an open time loop. Given that a paradox can't exist (it's a closed loop with no valid entry point), then it must be an open loop, meaning that the future is actually part of the linear past (it can basically be thought of as you can't jump back from the future, but you can jump so far forward that everything's repeated up to the point you want to arrive (you can also always jump to any point between where you last jumped forwards from and where you first jumped forwards to, as your actions won't have a causal effect on your past))
For a visual explanation:
(Original timeline up to divergence)>>{original timeline after your last departure}>||>(second timeline up until your last departure from it)>>{secondary timeline after your last departure}>||>(n-th timeline before your arrival)
>> Indicates free time travel direction
|| Indicates a causal reset, where cause and effect are not carried over outside of what is brought across it by time travellers.
() Indicates time that you cannot alter or travel to
{} Indicates time that you can travel between freely both forwards and backwards (you can still only travel within it freely forwards).
TCNick3 explaining to vernias why stealing from Brent is better (it isn't)
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If I have indeed any idea of how RUclips's algorithm works, all I can say is KEEP THESE COMING THEY'RE GREAT THE PMD COMMUNITY NEEDED THIS
Only a few people will understand-
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Party Crashers fans congregate here! The Vern Nation Congregation!
Im happy that alteast 3 people got the joke 🥲
Holy shit, every moment of this is absolute solid gold! xD
Absolutely magnificent, excellent even, quite possibly marvelous.
If anyone is still confused about the rules of time travel, let me simplify it. It’s basically like DBZ rules, you’re not REALLY going into YOUR past but another universes present that’s like your past. No matter what you do in that universe, your timeline will still be the same, but that one will go into another course for better or for worse
But In This Game You DO Go To The Past, After Fixing The Tower The Main Protagonist Starts Dissapearing (And So Do The Future-Pokemon On Grovyle's Special Chapter) But Past-Dialga Makes The Protagonist Return And Inadvertedly (Or Purposefully) Also Affects The Future Timeline, Making The Future Pokemon And The Timeline Itself Stay Exhisting As Its Own Even Future-Dialga Knows That It Was Done By A Power Higher Than Himself
YES MORE PMD STUFF
but gosh this is funny
When your only human memory is time travel theorys xD
Ah a legendary primal pokemon of culture. I hear kyogre and groudon keep having arguments around if ben 10 or adventure time is a better show. Honestly though i’m a chowder fan myself.
So happy to see another one of these videos!
you finally struck content gold. you crazy sunova bit, you did it.
The ending absolutely destroyed me
Bro boutta blow up after these first couple bombshells
Yeah! More PMD skits!!
Well this Piplup sounds really toxic... I wonder why..
YO GUYS!
Ngl I wanna see a short of this with Piplup and Chimchar having a conversation. Like I’m genuinely curious on what they talk about during their free time and what not.
Who knew TCnick was so smart 😂
God I love this channel
Grovyle is such an amazing character and they made him look even better in this!
Omg is Tcnick3 🐧
Aight, here we go:
Piplup knows what a train is.
Back To The Future exists.
Dialga has a working DVD player and screen in a time-frozen wasteland.
Spongebob is a thing, and isn’t full of Pokémon.
Schrodinger was a real person and implies Pokémon already know a considerable bit about humans.
Some Pokémon study physics and have a rudimentary understanding.
1950s implies a Christian calendar. *Jesus is canon.*
Spoilers for the ending…
Piplup a few hours later: "Why is my body slowing down? Oh god, why I am glowing?!"
GUYS!! IT'S TCNICK3!!