4K Review: Vektor SP1 - the South African space Beretta
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- Опубликовано: 10 фев 2016
- The Vektor SP1 was the South African company's upgraded version of their previous Beretta 92FS clone, the Z88. The General's Model is compact and ideal for defensive use, while the Target variant is an excellent range gun, featuring an SAO trigger and extreme accuracy due to a clever bushing system.
I'm a south african and my dad has the target version in 40. And his second police service pistol was the z88 and it served him well and kept him safe
I love seeing all of the weird firearms you get your hands on. Thanks for another informative video.
I really look forward to your videos, because I know I'll see something new and usually obscure that I may have never heard of before. I enjoy learning about new guns, and you always bring something interesting to the table!
What a nice touch they glued their logos to the grip. Gives you a special value kind of feeling when the Vektor logo just falls off during shooting. lol
Awesome video potato!
Man, that is a sweet Beretta. I just got a WC G Brigadier last month. Very nice compilation from them.
Thanks so much for this!!! Love these guns. You surely have excellent taste in pistols.
greetings from durban , south africa , thanks for the cool video , wish it was longer!! i also wish you did more videos , they are such good quality with great quality and unusual guns .
So it's basically the pistol the US military asked for from beretta but beretta refused to make with the 92a3 as they kept the open slide design.
+ehy Open slide is better. In case of a bulged barrel, it still runs and can be disassembled. Lighter too.
+GunFun ZS wait....that's not how it works. If the barrel were to increase in diameter to where the front of the slide would interface w/ it, it would jam more than a browning type because the 92 does not have the tilting barrel while the browning tilting barrel is cut so it can accommodate the barrel angle when it unlocks. So the open slide does NOT make it more reliable in that respect. As a matter of fact, it allows for the shooter to get burned on contact during extended shooting if he/she were to accidentally touch the barrel. Also the open design allow the cams to be exposed to dirt/debris, while all other designs are more enclosed.
MavHunter20XX You are completely incorrect. I have actually dealt with 4 pistol bulged barrels. Two were berretta type and still cycled flawlessly. The two browning types were hopelessly seized and couldn't even be opened enough to chamber check without the use of a vice, brass punch and hammer. - One was salvageable with a new barrel and the other was toast, due to frame damage. And that was at the risk of damaging the slide and frame. I nearly had to saw the barrel in half on one to get it through the opening at the end of the slide.
GunFun ZS
First of all, what are you doing to get the barrels to become bulged?
GunFun ZS
Bulged barrels are an excuse.Bulged barrels are the symptom of a different issue. if the barrel is bulged it is probably from being fired in training and needs to be replaced like any other part. The reason open slide designs are bad is it allows dust and dirt to get into the gun.
Beautiful gun.
as always awesome review!!!
Great video! I'm excited to see what you have to say about the Billenium. I absolutely love your collection.
I love the look of this pistol. The normal duty pistol and the competition are definitely on the list now. I also noticed a lot of parallels with this and the Jericho 941. Polygonal rifling, Italian engineers being consulted, and an all around space age look.
Great video, always top quality. I also liked your top 10, because, well, it is unique, and I have a sense of humor about hipsters living in the SF bay area
Woah, Billennium sighting. And one that has actually been used.
There used to be several Beretta models with a weight/bushing up front as well as a kit they sold as an add-on.
The Z88 was initially made without a licence. Burette later gave them a licence ut only for military, police and South African markets. The SP-1 variations were made to allow them to manufacture for export.
Both of Them are Awesome I would like to get One of Them One day soon!
Looks sharp. Very sharp.
I like your videos man keep em coming ! if you don't have any new guns don't wait to uploaded we will be happy to watch different gun comparisons in shooting or shooting tips etc etc.. I wana see this chanel grow alot of potential
upload* not uploaded ..lol
+flexortiz92 Thanks. I actually have tons of guns on backlog that I need to review, but I do have some other non-review ideas I'm thinking about trying, too.
+LifeSizePotato right on I will be tuning in
+LifeSizePotato you have awesome guns sir and your channel is very high quality!! Wishing you all the best
Ah, I seen pictures of these and wondered about them. thanks
Really cool guns, i saw a video on the comp model but it was just a shooting one, i think it's still here on YT.
Nice feature on the taper lock, i was actually wondering why it's not a common feature, but the complaint about taking it apart being a PIA kind of makes it obvious why.
Awesome stuff, looking forward to the Billennium.
I own a 15+1 capacity Vektor SP1 since 1992 and have extensively utilized it during bank robbery encounters and Grant hunting at night within 70-80 yards using 115gr blazer catrige. Very effective and reliable performer. Have not changed any part since 1992 despite over 1,200 catriges of 115gr - 124gr varieties fired so far. Only blue colour of Vektor logo has faded since. My right decision to buy on the recommendation of an experienced South African firearms dealer
It is a bit large handgun for consealed-carrying though but I guess there are options.
i really like the looks of the target variant...i have a similar trigger on my sp01
I was disappointed in the SP1s plastic guide rod. I am still stalking a target version. Great videos keep them coming.
Love your videos. I actually said to wife today "I feel like a life sized potato", after spending the day on the couch. You could be a OED entry soon.
You need to be on Full30! Excellent video!
You
Please take the weight/cone off if you have time. I am interested in how it tightens up. I have an idea how it works but would like to see it performed. I also appreciate that you always go into great detail. Forget about people not getting the "hipster" video. I get it, I loved it!!! You are not the only one who seems to be frustrated with the lack of common sense growing in our society. Thanks for the vids, they are excellent.
I like your top 10 video it was way more thought out than most top 10 that are people just repeating eachother.
+questtrinity Thanks. The general pattern seemed to be that it had good feedback at first, but once it started picking up more views the quality of the *viewer*, shall we say, went down, and now most of the comments are from people outraged that I don't have a Glock or CZ75 on my list for gun hipsters. -_-
+LifeSizePotato That's because most of your original viewers know you from your videos on rarer guns. But when you make a top 10 then you need to expect the plebs to go furious with not seeing their run of the mill Glocks and CZs.
+questtrinity Me too.
+LifeSizePotato Insightful. I was going to say as much. The quality of comments on a video tends to correlate to the sophistication of the subject matter. However, if a narrow intelligent topic somehow picks up a lot of general traffic, the comments are extra special, since the subject matter is over their heads.
Beretta 92 "Stock" and "Combat" have accurising conical bushings (attached to barrels using threads). Zero play and barrel is centered every time, but dis-/reassembly requires a tool.
There seems to be a lot of pistols based on the 92 frame. I got a Taurus 911 not to long ago. Also based on the 92 frame, but a different lock-up. It uses more of a Browning style tilting barrel. One major problem though is I can not find magazines for it.
Cool vid
Excellent review. You give so much goog info and pack the minutes with super dialogue.
You have the same voice as Ben Afleck. Are you Ben Afleck?
In any case you are in my top 3 gun reviewers.
Best Regards
Redcoat
Hoping there is a airsoft version of this , damn the SP1 target was so beautiful .
Hello I would have wanted to know if stripes was micro groove as marlin? Because they are little visible and not deep
The bushing is one of the things people add to the 92 in order to improve the accuracy. Really it seems like they dialed the thing in completely from the factory.
+lifesizepotato Have you ever compared the sp1 target side by side with the llama model 87?
I have the SP1 sport. Its has a compensator. A normal shaped SA trigger and 3 dot sights.
I really enjoy your videos especially since the firearms are so unique. I'd love to purchase some of these to add to my now very normal collection after seeing your videos. I just have one question, are you very wealthy or a shop owner? The price and availability of some of these firearms just blows me away.
Definitely one of the more underrated modern hand-guns, (well, technically the design isn't all that "modern", but it still undoubtedly stacks up well to the newer and more modern pistols on the market). I have the Target model, and it's a fantastic all around gun. That said, there are still plenty of pistols that i like better. Now whether these guns have a whole lot better performance is another story, seeing as how most major pistols perform pretty damn comparably to one another, whether your talking 9mm or .45. Guns like the HK Mark 23, the HK-P30L, the Sig X5 and X6, the baseline Sig P226, the Sig P320, the HK USP-9mm/.45, the TTI STI Combat-Master 2011 - (by far the best 1911/2011 that has ever been made imo, with the fact that it's ridiculously expensive being the only major drawback), the HK-VP9, the CZ Shadow 2, the baseline CZ-75, and the Baikal MP-446C Viking - (which is pretty much a clone of the badass MP-443 Gratch, which you can't buy in the US), are all a bit better imo, though I can't think of any others off the top of my head that i think are. Not to mention the fact that, as i stated earlier, the amount to which they are "better" is pretty negligible and a whole lot of it comes down to person preference in the end.
Could you in theory put that slide on a 92a1 frame to have a rail with it?
love your videos man! hey i see you have a preference for 9mm but would you do another top ten or five list for a different caliber if you can and perhaps a 2016 video of your entire collection in one video im curious to see what your collection is right now you have excellent taste in your arsenal in my opinion as well as thoroughly done reviews keep it up! hope ya see this
+heyyounonotyouyesyou Thanks. I'm going to do some more list videos, probably limited to Top 5 just to keep them tidy and because 9mms are really more in my wheelhouse. Going to do 45s, underrated value 9mms and 357s next.
+LifeSizePotato Awesome looking forward to that.
i hate to tell u how to do ur videos but i'd love to see a video on the smith & wesson model 49. i love that gun and i feel like there isn't any good videos on it on youtube and ur videos are amazing
Any thoughts on the new Lebedev PL-14?
I want an SP-1....do they take regular 92 Hammer Springs? What is a stock sp-1 #? Can I lower down to #13 or #14 hammer spring for a beretta 92 and is it easy to replace?
Awesome video, however I do believe the SP1 Target is actually double action. There are two set screws in the frame. One for the trigger and the other, if removed will make it double action.
Parts for these gun are becoming scarce. Do you know of anyone making barrels for it? The threads are super fine on the barrel.
Also you forgot to mention that the Vektor Family have the SP1 Sport with a compensator instead of the weight and different sight. If you have it I would love to se a review of it. Especially how the compensator is attached
I apologise if this has already been asked (kinda breezed through all the comments), but are Beretta 92 parts interchangeable? Obviously the safety wouldn't be, but how about springs, triggers, etc...?
beatiful
Have you got any thoughts on the SP1 Sport model with the compensator?
This a dead channel. Hasn't posted in years and his website is long gone
There was an all stainless Sport model on Gunbroker a few weeks ago. I would've loved to buy it, but it went for $5180, so yeah, that wasn't happening.
i want one of those
oh and Vektor also does a pretty good Galil clone that is well rated.
And it's beter then the galil
Yankee marshal just gave you alot of subscribers
While I understand its a PIA to take off the bushing, I wish you would have done so. I (among many others) have never seen this pistol (made in South Africa) and it would help tremendously doing that part of the take-down. Nevertheless, thumbs up!
+Tully3674 Yeah, I did heavily consider it, but putting it back together takes literally like 20 minutes, because of how all the parts interact and have to be screwed in to *just* the right depths. I may make a brief supplemental video if there's enough demand.
+LifeSizePotato I would watch it.
+LifeSizePotato Whenever you take it apart for cleaning, it would be nice, doesn't have to be now. :D
+LifeSizePotato please when you have time make the bushing take down vid
What do you do for a living because I want to do it to my collection Needs to grow.
I'm looking for the standard frontsight for an SP1. Anyone?
Big Potato, you make good video's very informative and if they gave out Ph D's for watching you tube video's I would have several, so I know good videos, when I see them. You certainly have an eclectic collection of firearms...crazy fun.
So, someone should make that type of barrel weight kit for Beretta 92's?
+Corpsie There's a guy on the Beretta forums named WAL I believe who used to make exactly that. David Sams and the Army Marksmanship Unit came up with a similar but different system for M9s that accomplishes the same goal of keeping the barrel and slide tight, and those guns shoot
Where did you get these? I've been searching for one of each variant in 9MM for years.
+M92Brigadier import from south africa? the exchange rate is very favorable for everyone outside of south africa , our gun prices have stayed steady with a worsening exchange rate , so even with import costs , they are pretty cheap . 5500 south african rands (currency) buys your the compact model (generals model) and its currently 16 to 1 for the USD. so the gun costs you less than $350. can not be double that to import. the target model he speaks of, almost impossible to find , collectors have them all locked away.
I've been in touch with Nobleteq, but the problem is figuring out how to do the import/pay them. I'd like to get all four models and do a single import as it's cheaper to do a single import of up to 5 pistols at once.
Where can I get a z88?
cool
Interested in General pls
How much are they valued at, and are the available?
+precisionmarksman Regular SP1s and General's Models usually go for around $7-800. The Target models are so rare that it's hard to say - I'd estimate $1500 or so? That's what I'd say it's worth, at least.
+LifeSizePotato current prices are pretty acceptable for the compact www.guntree.co.za/item/351-pistols-semi-automatic-pistols/ZA/733-gauteng/54161-vektor-sp1-gen-model-with-5-x-mags
Where'd you go, Potato?
I think he died man that's sad
+LifeSizePotato I just came across this interesting gun: IWI SP-21 Barak. Really Interesting design if you haven't seen them before.
Vektor was taken over by Denel and Truvelo if I remember correctly.
Vektor was owned by LIW, a Division of Denel Land systems. Truvelo is a different company in South Africa and is 100% private owned. Denel was semi private and semi state owned and produced these handguns due to the worldwide boycotts against SA in that time. Denel that was formerly known as LIW (Lyttelton "Ingeneurs" Werke" first started producing the R1 rifle that was a FN Fal built under licence in the 60's and later on they started manufacturing the R4 that was a Galil under license in the 80's, later on the R5 (carbine version version of the R4) was manufactured. In the mid and late 1980's sanctions and boycotts against South Africa became very intense and handgun imports literally came to a halt, so LIW started a division that was dedicated to only manufacturing handguns for the military, police and civilians and this division was named Vektor, that would later on became the manufacturer of all semi auto rifles, handguns and special purpose weapons, the Z88 was their first design in 1988 by T.D Zeederberg who was an Engineer at LIW. The first prototypes of the Z88's had issues with slides "cracking" off of the frames, direct reason for this was due to problems of casting high enough quality frames (SA has never been good at casting pistol frames). So the solution was to CNC the frame as SA were at that time some of the best in CNC machining. In 1989 the first Z88's came into production (still under the name LiW for reasons I don't know). Later on the SP 1 series came out that was initially designed and made for the traffic department as the Z88 was a bit heavy to carry for traffic cops who were on motor cycles, the SP1 is based on the 92 platform as it has an Alloy frame and instead of the open barrel system, it's a closed system like the Taurus 911. In 1996, Vektor came out with the polymer frame gas operated CP1, unfortunately the CP1 never had the chance to be improved due to the new government that came into power in 1994 (the ANC) as Vektor was then mismanaged by the new government and by 1999 Vektor led to bankruptcy. These firearms are a reminder of what SA was as a Nationalist State before Zionists destroyed it.
+Jannie van Niekerk I know that some later assault rifles and pistols were built by Truvelo but none took off. They seemed to have dropped the various shotguns from their website and are concentrating on their sniper systems.
tengu190 you are absolutely correct, they did build their own version assault rifle that pretty much was based on a Galil/R4 but had all the "goodies" like picitini rails etc. the SA task force did use them for a while. I think their real objective was to get these rifles into the African market, but in Africa the AK 47 is king and it would have never succeeded as in Africa the AK's can be obtained for much cheaper like the Norinco's. So they stopped production, they did manufactur a polymer framed gas operated pistol (the ADP), that didn't sell very well. They had a nice little 4/10 tactical semi auto shotgun that was the size of an smg and had a boxfed magazine. Now it's only the Neostead shotgun that they are selling and they still produce sniper rifle. The 50 cal is their most popular one that mainly gets sold in Africa, Asia and I do believe to some middle Eastern armies. But Truvelo these days have rather invested their time into radars and speeding cameras for the trafic department and that is where their main income lies these days.
+Jannie van Niekerk Wilson combat for a while was selling the ADP Mk 2.
tengu190 yes, Alex Du Plessis took his design over the USA with the hopes to have more success there with the ADP, as the ADP wasn't the success he wished for in SA. Unfortunately when it comes to gas operated pistols, it becomes a different ball game. The Gas operated system in handguns are absolute a nightmare to make it work reliably. Very few manufacturers get the GO system to be relaible, even Walther are struggling with the current CCP. The HK p7 is a true testiment of what HK are capable of.
Wasn't Vektor bought out by Denel or something?
I'm going to miss the bunny hair :(
+David M. If you watch in glorious 4K you'll probably see them.
where do you buy all these unusual guns?
My dad has an sp1 ultra sport
Would have loved the decocker instead of the useless safety. Very cool gun otherwise.
WHY YOU NO POST VIDEOS? POST MORE OFTEN!
Those pistols are horrible--you should sell both (to me) immediately. You and BAC are my heroes. I'm chasing you both but I'm years and thousands of dollars behind.
I really like that you shoot 4k yet your channel is life size potato
forget all your other guns, you have a 10,000$ Beretta!
+mrsquishyboots You might be thinking of the Fusion model. This one's the Billennium, which is really only about $25-3000 usually.
+LifeSizePotato still beats my 300$ 92s that has almost no finish on the slide lol
You criticize them because they are made in South Africa. Thanks for the laugh Yankee.
They are Llama 82 and Llama 87 clones, more than Beretta copies.
So basically a copy of the Beretta 92 combat...
Build quality is NOT the same as QUALITY CONTROL. Remember, it's from South Africa and it's not a even a Taurus PT92 or some other good clone.
Vektor guns are made very well. These are superior to the Taurus guns.
bla bla bla.you have no idea of Sa Quality.