Just as well the CHADEMO wasn't long enough for his CCS connection. Sandy knows how to manufacture stuff and you have to respect that. But does have some Grandad moments when he test drives EVs.
I didn't get that. I also think the camera guy is an engineer too. The difference between the two connectors is the first thing I notice. Sandy really need to own an EV. Those guys would be much more successful if they were experts.
@@MunroLive I lived in MI as a teen and early 20s, so I learned to "fly in tight formation" on I-75 drafting the car in front at 80+ mph. Everybody knew the "rules" so there were few abrupt lane changes ... the train rolled fast. Later I lived in Boston where aggressive chaotic behavior was the norm.
Was that a CHAdeMO Sandy attempted to plug in to a CCS? Just the quick few frames looked like there was no way it would have fit even if the cable was mile longer.
@@wzDH106 The Tesla driver just wanted a close spot. Does that charger have CCS on one side and CHADeMO on the other? I would think they should put both plugs on both sides for the most flexibility.
Two comments. If you back in the cable will reach and the door will hinge the right direction. However the best door would retract so it’s out of the way whatever direction it needs to be
There's no guarantee the cables are long enough everywhere for backing in, also you will basically be stuck outside the car or at least won't have easy access to the driver side (Front and back) I'd engineer the charge door to go up so that it would be like a little roof in case of rain. Not that the port needs it but maybe there's less risk of it freezing to the car and definitely less risk of breaking off that door
I like how he said some people (like him) don't like to back up. Sorry but either way you have to back up, might as well back in. Sandy is not a patient dude.
The charging handle that Sandy pulled out is a CHAdeMO charger, not a J1772/CCS system. It wouldn't have fit even if the cable was long enough. I think that was probably the other cable, on the Tesla side.
@@chrisness Nicely spotted! That person is either unaware of the potential issue they are causing, or they don't care. The former should not be possible given they drive an EV.
@@chrisness Yeah I saw that - and as a Tesla guy, I'm embarrassed and ashamed for a fellow tesla owner's bad behaviour. Really shameful since he's not plugged in AND there are empty spots just beside that he could park in.
Did Ford threaten you or are you afraid they will? You are trying to be nice and unbiased about the car. We know the GPS is poor and the over-the-road charging for ANYTHING other than a Tesla is going to be a hassle. I own a Ford C-Max Energi w/65500mi on it and love it. Overall mpg is 88.7 mpg. Just got a 2021 MY and like it VERY much too. Give the charging company a little break, they have to try to make everyone happy but just missed this one a little. Other than Tesla, ALL other brands are going to be challenged in order to travel beyond their battery limitations. Even with a Tesla you may be traveling and need to charge and fingers the charging station is 10-15 miles out of your way. Trip planning is crucial in order to avoid this problem.
No offense, but clearly Sandy's biased. No comment on the bad charging infrastructure with the Mustang while he was ranting about it with the VW ID.4 ;D Exited about the teardown!
Actually he did call it a slow charger... ChargePoint chargers can only do 50kw while the electrify America charger can potentially charge over 200kw so at least 4 times faster if your car can take it
I'm glad Sandy pre-downloaded the app, set things up and familiarized himself BEFORE hopping in the car. For the VW ID.4, he just hopped in and didn't bother with the app.......
Did feel unfair since he was so scathing about not being able to just jump in the car and manage everything with the ID but in this case took the time to download an app. What happened to the 'just arrived at the airport' ease of use test?
The plug on the chargepoint station was CHAdeMO not Type 1 CCS anyway so wouldn't have even been able to plug in if the cable were longer or the Tesla wasn't there.
Actually, I find that the back up camera gives you a better view of cross traffic in a parking lot. It's at the edge of the car, whereas if you backed in, your eyes don't see the traffic until the front part of your car is already out.
Not only that but apparently he had the time to install software updates prior. He's just an "America - fuck yeah!" type of guy. I'm sure the flag mask is just coincidental.
@@michaeldbouck and the charging, never talked about the shortcomings in terms of plug'n'charge as he did on the ID.4 Granted the Mach-E plug'n'charge experience is better than the ID.4 at Electrify America he should have panned it here at this incompatible chargepoint charger. This was my least favorite video by a long margin
Another good review. But would like to hear more about: 1. how the car handles curvy roads and 2. the UI - the various systems that the screen can access and various driving options you can select.
This was disappointing. He didn't show us him using the infotainment system, one of his biggest gripes with the VW. The stop at the charging station was a fiasco. Picking up the CHADEMO cord, really? This wasn't much more than a few minutes of him saying the acceleration was more in line with the Tesla as opposed to the VW. Who put in the address into the nav. system? Isn't that part of the "I'm picking the car up at National and just want to get on my way" test?
Sandy learned his lesson after the ID.4 fiasco. He pre downloaded the app and set his destination all up before filming. So he could just hop in the car and make it all look easy peasy! Can't have Sandy looking like a fool twice! In fact Sandy also didn't film him learning the Tesla. Why? Because he knew EXACTLY how to adjust the wiper, vents and steering wheel right off the bat....of courseeeee
Sandy, Tesla put the charge port in the most perfect place (two steps behind the driver's door). When the weather is bad and the rain is coming in sideways sheets, you will understand how perfect the placement is. No door to walk around. No corner of the car to walk around. Just get out, grab that cord, slam it into the port with the nice rounded edges, and jump back into the shelter of the driver's seat.
Welcome to Sandy's morning dose of rage and needless frustration. The question has to be asked why didn't Sandy just back in to the charging station, wouldn't it then have reached?
The charging port is on the front fender... the obvious thing to do is pull in. Notice how the Tesla did the opposite... their charging port is on the left rear, but they didn't back in... which if they would have, would have left the other port open that would reach. Also, notice that the Telsa is blocking access... they're not actually charging.
That was the CHAdeMO plug side, maybe the other side was CCS?... They marked left spot for charging as well, the cable only reaches a Leaf over there. Would have been nice to see 'Ford Pass' charging in action
"These clowns have boxed me in". I love you Sandy. PS - Anyone new to EVs watching this video... don't listen to ANYTHING Sandy says about charging stations.
That was awesome! Also, that ChargePoint has 1 CCS and 1 CHAdeMO. I think you grabbed the CHAdeMO plug -- it wouldn't have fit even if the cord was long enough. Can't wait to see the tear-down.
Well their implementation is a tiny bit better than what Kia did with the Niro but if you live anywhere that gets a decent amount of snow, it will likely cause issues with it being on the front of the car. Also, I prefer to back my vehicles in so would rather have it at the rear. Ford shouldve put it under the rear license plate. 😁
I agree. Having owned both the Tesla and a Leaf I think the front is the best location. Most of us drive into our garage, and we wouldn’t have to walk backwards just to charge the car
Because most charging sessions are at home. When you pull into your garage you need to have additional clearance in front of your vehicle so you can get in there and plug in the cord if it's like the Nissan. If the charging door is on the drivers side you already need to have that clearance to open the driver's door, which means you've got plenty of room to get the charging cable plugged in.
Sandy's acting like the Mach e acceleration is exhilarating NOT! I've driven one. There's nothing Mustang about the Mach e besides the tail lights and pony emblem. Sandy's pumpin it up, I wonder why😏
It accelerates quicker than 95% of the cars on the road, and you're not going to call it exhilarating? Come on. It's faster 0-60 than a Mustang GT, even the GT with the sport pack.
I test drove a Mach E Premium AWD. Honestly, I didn't think the acceleration was that much greater than my Bolt. Kind of settled me on GT or nothing. Wish Ford offered a tow capability too.
Man, they did a really good job to make what was originally going to be an electric Fusion crossover feel like a Mustang. It’s even based (loosely) on a modified version of the C2 FWD ICE platform that underpins the Escape. My biggest gripes are the charging issues. The 55 minute 0-80% charge and 1.5 hour 0-90% charge time is just not competitive against the ID.4’s 38-minute time, or the upcoming Ioniq 5/EV6
Amazing that you make a teardown of the Mach E. It really looks like a great EV. I am a bit worried that Ford doesn't make money from selling the car. I hope we find out about this after your teardown :)
@@ericsmalling okey, i better hear Sandy's opinion on that than Ford's own statement. In addition, it would be intresting to know by how much the car is profitable, 1%, 10% or 25%? The margin makes a significant difference long term.
That'd be the great analysis of where they are, this could be just a marketing move from Ford. Hopefully not! But there're also supply issues. The real thing will be sales numbers, those don't lie...
The thing is, it’s not just the car but also the infrastructure for charging. Even if all things equal, you must consider the charging infra. This video, Sandy can’t charge. What if he had 2% left? He is SOL. At least at Tesla Supercharger you know that you will get to charge, assuming charging plug is not broken. Now imagine you with you wife and young kids being stuck because the navigation takes you to a bad charging station.
Glad it feels nice! But that charger wasn't the right shape for your ports. And model 3/Y are significantly quicker. Also glad Ford is stepping up their game.
"It Won't reach!" as he is parked on the far away line from the charger, lol. I think just changing his parking position would have worked, he just didn't want to use the DC Fast charger that bad!
Feel like Sandy should have been more patient and show us the charging process and also try the UI to see if it as frustrating as ID4. Now we are left guessing about the user friendliness of the car.
To me it was actual great, when you explained, that you where not introduced to the ID4 and sit right in and try hard to navigate. Was it the same with the Mustang or why did that part was not shown?
I remember the day I rented a Ford Edge for a long road trip (renting is the way to go on a trip - don't have to worry about accidents, mechanical problems, or even a flat tire). I was stunned how solid, quiet, and free from mechanical vibrations that car was - better than my wife's Lexus. I don't think this EV is technologically up to Tesla's benchmark, but I don't doubt that this Mustang drives and feels like a $100K car.
My guess is that the Model 3 was parked on the side with the CCS plug, and you parkd on the CHADeMO side. That model 3 driver was being a tool. He couldn't even use it (unless it was a slower J1772 only).
Sandy didn't recognize that it was the wrong plug :) yes, and that Model 3 wasn't charging! No CCS adapter yet, but a chademo exists. Errors all around.
I believe that the Chargepoint charger was a Type 2 category only, anyway. Hence Fast charger, not Rapid. Which is why I believe Sandy backed out of charging the car whether he was correctly parked or using the right plug or not.
Sandy was correct 62.5 kw charging. 2 connectors 1 ccs & 1 chademo. 4 designated ev charging spaces even though 2 of them are useless. Maybe another charger is coming.
'Hey, Sandy! He likes it! He really likes it!' And he's driving the slowest version of the MME. I bought the premiere extended range and I love it. Glad to see Sandy likes it so far. Looking forward to the tear down. We will learn a lot from watching the videos.
The ID.4 video was frustrating to watch. He never managed to hit the home button on the screen. Should be pretty obvious if you ever used a smartphone!!!
The "pretty obvious" thing would be for VW to use the same symbol as Google (it's "a house") My android phone doesn't use the rectangle either, so I was looking for it on the Munro video, it wasn't "obvious"
His staff didn't leave the Mach E in a sub-menu like they did with the VW. They also found the time to install software updates before the test drive unlike the ID.4.
Huh? You do realize that there are plenty of EA chargers with well over 100kw speeds? There are also plenty of ChargePoint and EVgo chargers that are over 100kw max speed. Sandy chose to go to an older ChargePoint station that looked like a free charger (60kw). And there was a Tesla there for a reason..
@@adityasahasranshu7503 Meanwhile we have Toyota off in the corner developing ICE vehicles that run off of Hydrogen. Which makes zero sense because they can't even sell an EV that runs off of Hydrogen without 20k in incentives. I have to give thm credit though they are really innovative at finding brand new ways to flog a dead horse.
Hi Sandy, yes it is a great car, I almost took delivery (test drove AWD Extended range over 2 days for a couple of hours per drive and tested out DC fast charging), but I heard and have seen the AWD Extended range has insufficient battery cooling for sustained high rate charging is my surmise as Kyle over at Out of Spec Motoring Your Tube Channel, commented that at driving fast and heavy through Colorado highlands on their twisty windies (lots of elevation changes) the car had battery cooling issues and throttled back the battery output. So my solution as Ford will not likely fix this soon enough is to hold out for the GT as it's high-output would require a more substantial battery cooling system which should benefit. As I do lots of long distance road trips, I do not want to hold out at the Fast DC charger station just because it cannot cool the batteries quick enough at 150KW rate.
The review parameters of this series seem inconsistent. Why did we not see Sandy figure out the user interface of the mach E, while driving!? Just like the id4? And why was the angle of the id4 review a rental car scenario and the mach E review is all about torque?
@@rogerstarkey5390 Still, the Tesla was parked in a charging spot and not charging. But yeah, I noticed it was the wrong plug he pulled out. The station he stopped at has CHAdeMO on one side and CCS on the other. The Tesla was blocking the more convenient side for CCS.
Tesla Model Y owner here...love that Sandy likes this and he feels Ford's Mach-E is solid competition to Tesla as it will only help to strengthen both brand's products. But I will not even consider another brand other than Tesla until the non-Tesla charging infrastructure improves in both frictionless user experience and availability. Say what you want about Tesla build quality but if you can't reliably use your EV for road trips the fit-n-finish of your car does not matter.
Best comment by far the only thing shit for tesla is fit and finish which represent .00001% of costumer based only youtubers whom so perfectionist which they trash tesla yet they still buy it? Negative do sell news hence youtubers always rant on fit and finish which is inconsequential to the overall user experience.
@@chillrawr9603 Exactly right. I've owned three Teslas so far, Model S, X & now Y, and have experienced firsthand the build quality improve over time. However, I used to drive BMW & Audis and Tesla is still no where near their fit-n-finish. But Tesla has them both beat on performance and reliability as I have never once been stranded in any of my Teslas due to engine or drivetrain failures.
I want to see Sandy take it across the country like he did with the Model 3. After driving the Ford vs Model Y I think both are brilliant but the Ford is let down by the charging. It's the only downfall it has.
@@renaissancesurfer7829 It has radar/camera based lane centering and adaptive cruise (the features Tesla call Autopilot) already; with it doesn't have yet is hands free lane centering and adaptive cruise control
@@renaissancesurfer7829 The Autopilot your must be referring to is the lane centering adaptive cruise control that Tesla has which is similar to the one currently in the Mach E. In a couple of months your comment will be 100% correct because the Mach will move past that "Autopilot" system with their very own BlueCruise which is a complete handsfree highway driving. So you will be right, the Mach will no longer have the so called "Autopilot" and will have a better system than Tesla. BTW, the term "Autopilot" used by Tesla is banned in some EU countries because it's false advertising. You will still have to touch the wheel every so often to let the car know that you are alert....so not really "Auto-Pilot".
@@safetyguy14 Tesla owners are like the worst when it comes to comparing anything to Tesla. Bad build quality and all still nothing's better than a Tesla. They need that edge... another gift from the movie starring David Duchovny Demi Moore Joneses. Bahahah!! 🤣
It’s getting so that I look for golden moments like 9:45 wrap up! Patriotic mask, Mustang logo, what a cool body gesture! Doesn’t matter what Sandy reviews now
It looks like he could have charged it if he backed in like he talked about. Think about it Sandy, do you pull up to a gas station with the fill hose on the opposite side of the pump? Well, by pulling in forward, that was exactly what you did.
I often see people stretching the filler hose over or around their cars in order to fill from the "wrong" side. The places I fill up have long enough hoses to allow that.
The nice thing about the charging port being near the front is it can allow for angled parking spots where you only pull in forward. I wish Tesla would keep that in mind.
Congrats to Ford, this looks like a winner. Didn't hear a mention about road noise, which seemed loud (but he was doing 90+). I love my Model 3, but I think I'd opt for the Mach-E over a Y.
I test drove the Mach-E then the ID4 Pro S (much different than the ONE). I ended up going with the ID4. The ride was much more comfortable and the acceleration in the PRO S was very nice.
The only downside is the charging info structure is going to frustrate owners. Somebody needs to step up if you want to take on Tesla's super charging, it's fast, everywhere & convenient. Easiest to use of all charging companies.
Yeah, it's surprising how easy the super charger is to use. I've had a model 3 for 6 months and recently super charged for the first time. Just plug in the cable and it just does it's thing, giving you a running total of the price as you're charging. It was also neat to see the car giving a message about prepping the battery as I was navigating to the super charger. They really nailed it.
Door placement is correct, had you backed in odds are the cable COULD have been shorter because more distance to the rear vs to the front. In that spot had you backed it you also would have been able to connect the charger, assuming the connectors were compatible.
It reduces my happiness, freedom and life quality, if I am forced to drive in a car that I don’t like. I like my Tesla at home, I like to rent and drive in the Corvette or other American classic when I am stateside. Makes me happy to see that Ford has managed to bring a smile on your face with the mach-e. I have been a bit negative about them calling this a Mustang, but apparently they have brought some of that driving joy to this as well.
FORD, has a long way to go. It needs Service centers with Mobile service that you can call with your car or smartphone. And Ford can build DC Fast chargers to add to EA and ChargePoint
Its not 2018, its 2021, there are plenty of public chargers that are above 100kw.. The car's navigational system will show which chargers are open and the max speed of each chargers. The navigational system will also tell you how much charge you will have in your battery when you arrive at the charger.. Is it Ford's problem that Sandy chose an older and slower ChargePoint charger?
@@mamadouaziza2536 the clear point is there are STILL not enough fast charging stations. The electrify america one he went to last time was a significant drive away. And they STILL have problems and bugs with those stations due to the myriad of different vehicle manufactures that they have to accommodate.. Tesla is like an apple device.. it may be proprietary.. and you many not like that.. but it just f'n works all the time. The CCS shit is like android.. there is a lot more variety it can accomodate, but it comes with a shit ton of inherent problems because of that. Not for everyone.. some have no issues.. but just look around on youtube.. there are tons of reported problems using Electrify America and pretty much any CCS system.. between them not having enough stalls.. more then a few out of service.. the stupid cabling and locations of the charge ports in some cars.. the many different apps and accounts you have to access to operate the different makers of the charging stations.. it's just a mess really. If you know your needs and do your research you can get in a groove that works.. but travel outside your norm and try to use the varying makers.. and you would get varying results.. and who wants that shit on a trip somewhere? who wants to worry about IF the charger where you're going is gonna work? It's ridiculous! Until CCS and the industry get their shit together, I certainly wouldn't be interested in going outside Tesla's 'the shit just works' infrastructure. I don't care how good the Mach E is.. and it's still not 'better' than a Tesla at anything.. sure maybe you like the looks and styling more.. subjective stuff.. but straight numbers, it wins at nothing. I can see it's appeal.. it SHOULD be a popular car.. and owners will be generally happy probably.. but I would bet any Tesla owner who changes to go to any other car, will miss the Tesla superchargers. If you never had them to use.. well then you can't miss them.. but there will be lots of owners frustrated and annoyed with the charging infrastructure of CCS for years to come
Lucky guy, when I lived there that section of I-75 always had MSP or AHP with speed traps. The charge station looked like real life; short cord, wrong connection and a guy not charging parked in the spot with "possibly" the correct connector. So glad Ford did the J1772 connector with CCS. That Nissan/Mitsibishi centric CHAdeMO connector needs to go since it only works on 2 brands of car in North America.
Would it be better to have the charge door flip upwards to open? I doubt Ford can reverse it without running into problems with air flow tearing the door open or off while driving. Also: that charger was a chademo wasn't it? Those don't fit on a CCS plug :D
Another advantage for Tesla is all their charge ports are on the driver side rear of their cars which keeps uniformity at superchargers preventing situations where it is luck of the draw on whether or not the cable can reach your charge port because of cable length, port location and open/occupied spaces. Imagine having barely any juice left and running into a situation like Sandy did here? Having the wrong adapter, cable doesn’t reach, other spots occupied with no one in sight to ask how much longer they’ll be. Spoiler alert .. It would suck. At Tesla superchargers these problems don’t exist... and that’s smart on their part.
Porsche did a sliding charge point door for a reason, expect so many of these Ford doors to be damaged by the heady cord. Look forward to the teardown.
Why do so many legacy manufacturers fail on the charging port.. Also reversing in is easier and saver because you have a better turn radius and better view when leaving. It’s just common sense if you think about it (most don’t).
Just as well the CHADEMO wasn't long enough for his CCS connection. Sandy knows how to manufacture stuff and you have to respect that. But does have some Grandad moments when he test drives EVs.
Nonsense, what does he manufactures?!
@@carholic-sz3qv
Still not paying attention?
Sandy's "grandad" moments, make it feel like listening to Hank Hill's father.
That was hilarious.
I didn't get that. I also think the camera guy is an engineer too. The difference between the two connectors is the first thing I notice. Sandy really need to own an EV. Those guys would be much more successful if they were experts.
Sandy definitely is a Michigan driver.... 90+ on I-75 to get to the mall.
Yes indeed.
@@MunroLive I lived in MI as a teen and early 20s, so I learned to "fly in tight formation" on I-75 drafting the car in front at 80+ mph. Everybody knew the "rules" so there were few abrupt lane changes ... the train rolled fast. Later I lived in Boston where aggressive chaotic behavior was the norm.
Was that a CHAdeMO Sandy attempted to plug in to a CCS? Just the quick few frames looked like there was no way it would have fit even if the cable was mile longer.
Correct. He needed a CCS plug but tried using Chademo
Doesn't help the Tesla was blocking the CCS without charging
@@wzDH106 The Tesla driver just wanted a close spot. Does that charger have CCS on one side and CHADeMO on the other? I would think they should put both plugs on both sides for the most flexibility.
YES!!! So glad he's going to tear one apart!!!
It’s sad to see a good car broken up, so see it’s guts is really informative.
Two comments. If you back in the cable will reach and the door will hinge the right direction. However the best door would retract so it’s out of the way whatever direction it needs to be
There's no guarantee the cables are long enough everywhere for backing in, also you will basically be stuck outside the car or at least won't have easy access to the driver side (Front and back)
I'd engineer the charge door to go up so that it would be like a little roof in case of rain. Not that the port needs it but maybe there's less risk of it freezing to the car and definitely less risk of breaking off that door
Looks like he could have pulled in another foot and plugged in.
I like how he said some people (like him) don't like to back up. Sorry but either way you have to back up, might as well back in. Sandy is not a patient dude.
"some clown" LOL😂 Sandy is that grandfather everyone wants
Sandy not so smart. Talking about “some clown” when he himself is going to launch the ‘stang with steering wheel on half lock. Dufuss.
6:49 A Tesla owner that blocks a charging spot without charging...what an i....
Not to mention the Bronco
@@KennyYung Yeah, You are right, but a BEV owner should know how wrong it is to block a charging spot.
What an e-hole!
No wonder Tesla's get vandalized more than any other vehicl and it's all about the d-bag owners
The charging handle that Sandy pulled out is a CHAdeMO charger, not a J1772/CCS system. It wouldn't have fit even if the cable was long enough. I think that was probably the other cable, on the Tesla side.
The Tesla driving jerk wasn’t even plugged in
@@chrisness Nicely spotted! That person is either unaware of the potential issue they are causing, or they don't care. The former should not be possible given they drive an EV.
@@chrisness Yeah I saw that - and as a Tesla guy, I'm embarrassed and ashamed for a fellow tesla owner's bad behaviour. Really shameful since he's not plugged in AND there are empty spots just beside that he could park in.
@@chrisness The Tesla owner thought that his car is like his phone, just dock it, and it should be fully charged when he comes back.
If you had backed into the charging station, I'm pretty sure the cord would have been long enough.
It definitely was long enough he was talking shit 😂
@@dalemoore11 IF he had forced it, the cable would rip the charge door off.
@@argasyargasy2366 I disagree, no doubt it would be close and could do with a foot more wire I still think he could of plugged it in if he tried
They should have placed the charge port behind the pony in the front.
I noticed he was not square in the box... (parking space).. but spose it would not make that much of a difference..
Anyone else shocked to hear Sandy isn’t a “Mall Guy”? lol
Nope
🤣🤣🤣
What's this mall you speak of? :)
He is at the office all the time and doesn’t have time for the mall
Haha!
At the end, I couldn't wait to hear him bring up the beer in the front and he didn't disappoint 😂
Yup. And I didn't that Ford ads were so long.
Dumb reason the like a Ford.
It would have been nice to see you setting up the route first, as if you got in the car, set a destination, and drove on.
That would imply an unbiased, controlled test protocol.
Did Ford threaten you or are you afraid they will? You are trying to be nice and unbiased about the car. We know the GPS is poor and the over-the-road charging for ANYTHING other than a Tesla is going to be a hassle. I own a Ford C-Max Energi w/65500mi on it and love it. Overall mpg is 88.7 mpg. Just got a 2021 MY and like it VERY much too. Give the charging company a little break, they have to try to make everyone happy but just missed this one a little. Other than Tesla, ALL other brands are going to be challenged in order to travel beyond their battery limitations. Even with a Tesla you may be traveling and need to charge and fingers the charging station is 10-15 miles out of your way. Trip planning is crucial in order to avoid this problem.
Can't have Sandy frustrated on camera like with the ID.4, needed to pre download and set things up first!
@@camman194 if he backed into the charging station it would of worked fine.
This was pretty damning evidence of bias. It's clear the ID.4's review was rigged from the beginning. Someone didn't want that car to do well.
@ 4:10 *"It's the pedal on the right!* I almost coughed out my dinner!
A bueatiful Sandy Moment.
No offense, but clearly Sandy's biased. No comment on the bad charging infrastructure with the Mustang while he was ranting about it with the VW ID.4 ;D
Exited about the teardown!
agreed
Actually he did call it a slow charger... ChargePoint chargers can only do 50kw while the electrify America charger can potentially charge over 200kw so at least 4 times faster if your car can take it
Next Episode: Sandy discusses the engineering of a prison toilet. ;)
SANDY should take apart a TOTO Automatic toilet.
That was not nice. Apologize.
I'm glad Sandy pre-downloaded the app, set things up and familiarized himself BEFORE hopping in the car. For the VW ID.4, he just hopped in and didn't bother with the app.......
Did feel unfair since he was so scathing about not being able to just jump in the car and manage everything with the ID but in this case took the time to download an app. What happened to the 'just arrived at the airport' ease of use test?
The plug on the chargepoint station was CHAdeMO not Type 1 CCS anyway so wouldn't have even been able to plug in if the cable were longer or the Tesla wasn't there.
The advantage of reversing into a parking bay is that you can easily see cross traffic whist you're driving out. 🙂
Actually, I find that the back up camera gives you a better view of cross traffic in a parking lot. It's at the edge of the car, whereas if you backed in, your eyes don't see the traffic until the front part of your car is already out.
Sandy forgets cars can drive in reverse 🤣🙂
This is the way
8:12 This is actual Slapstick, trying to charge a Mustang with Chademo. 🤣
Why was the nav set already? We should have seen the same process as the ID.4
Not only that but apparently he had the time to install software updates prior. He's just an "America - fuck yeah!" type of guy. I'm sure the flag mask is just coincidental.
@@michaeldbouck and the charging, never talked about the shortcomings in terms of plug'n'charge as he did on the ID.4
Granted the Mach-E plug'n'charge experience is better than the ID.4 at Electrify America he should have panned it here at this incompatible chargepoint charger.
This was my least favorite video by a long margin
Another good review. But would like to hear more about: 1. how the car handles curvy roads and 2. the UI - the various systems that the screen can access and various driving options you can select.
This was disappointing. He didn't show us him using the infotainment system, one of his biggest gripes with the VW. The stop at the charging station was a fiasco. Picking up the CHADEMO cord, really? This wasn't much more than a few minutes of him saying the acceleration was more in line with the Tesla as opposed to the VW. Who put in the address into the nav. system? Isn't that part of the "I'm picking the car up at National and just want to get on my way" test?
Sandy learned his lesson after the ID.4 fiasco. He pre downloaded the app and set his destination all up before filming. So he could just hop in the car and make it all look easy peasy! Can't have Sandy looking like a fool twice! In fact Sandy also didn't film him learning the Tesla. Why? Because he knew EXACTLY how to adjust the wiper, vents and steering wheel right off the bat....of courseeeee
"that little door" in the charger to change from a Type 2 to a CCS2 is so that you can use the Type 2 at home without getting dirt on the CCS2.
What's the difference between CCS and CCS2 ??
@@FentoZ I don't actually know what the difference is in terms of charging
@FPK thx,
Sandy, Tesla put the charge port in the most perfect place (two steps behind the driver's door). When the weather is bad and the rain is coming in sideways sheets, you will understand how perfect the placement is. No door to walk around. No corner of the car to walk around. Just get out, grab that cord, slam it into the port with the nice rounded edges, and jump back into the shelter of the driver's seat.
Welcome to Sandy's morning dose of rage and needless frustration. The question has to be asked why didn't Sandy just back in to the charging station, wouldn't it then have reached?
The charging port is on the front fender... the obvious thing to do is pull in. Notice how the Tesla did the opposite... their charging port is on the left rear, but they didn't back in... which if they would have, would have left the other port open that would reach. Also, notice that the Telsa is blocking access... they're not actually charging.
True. I'm sure once you own this vehicle, you will know when it's better to back into the charging area so the charging cable reaches.
He also parked well over the line, but it's ok we still love him
That was the CHAdeMO plug side, maybe the other side was CCS?... They marked left spot for charging as well, the cable only reaches a Leaf over there. Would have been nice to see 'Ford Pass' charging in action
Because it is not Tesla.
"These clowns have boxed me in".
I love you Sandy.
PS - Anyone new to EVs watching this video... don't listen to ANYTHING Sandy says about charging stations.
Watching grandpa complain about grandma is hilarious. Comparing a 40k car to a 60k car is really not fair.
That was awesome! Also, that ChargePoint has 1 CCS and 1 CHAdeMO. I think you grabbed the CHAdeMO plug -- it wouldn't have fit even if the cord was long enough. Can't wait to see the tear-down.
I can't wait for the Transit Electric. The big beasties are what will really save money on fuel.
Didn't work out terribly well for the first Ford Transit Electric a decade or so ago...
@@levenkay4468 " a decade or so ago " ... gee, I wonder why.
It’ll only have 120miles of range which is really disappointing :/ I would to Telly buy one if it had a lot better range
One of the things i really like about the leaf is the charge port is front and center. Why doesn't everyone do that
Looks bad
Well their implementation is a tiny bit better than what Kia did with the Niro but if you live anywhere that gets a decent amount of snow, it will likely cause issues with it being on the front of the car. Also, I prefer to back my vehicles in so would rather have it at the rear. Ford shouldve put it under the rear license plate. 😁
I agree. Having owned both the Tesla and a Leaf I think the front is the best location. Most of us drive into our garage, and we wouldn’t have to walk backwards just to charge the car
I guess they wouldnt want a minor front end collision to disable your ability to charge.
Because most charging sessions are at home. When you pull into your garage you need to have additional clearance in front of your vehicle so you can get in there and plug in the cord if it's like the Nissan. If the charging door is on the drivers side you already need to have that clearance to open the driver's door, which means you've got plenty of room to get the charging cable plugged in.
Sandy's acting like the Mach e acceleration is exhilarating NOT! I've driven one. There's nothing Mustang about the Mach e besides the tail lights and pony emblem. Sandy's pumpin it up, I wonder why😏
It accelerates quicker than 95% of the cars on the road, and you're not going to call it exhilarating? Come on. It's faster 0-60 than a Mustang GT, even the GT with the sport pack.
So the MachE goes 5 for 5 with Sandy. Who woulda thought. Ford has to be over the moon. Great work Ford!
I test drove a Mach E Premium AWD. Honestly, I didn't think the acceleration was that much greater than my Bolt. Kind of settled me on GT or nothing. Wish Ford offered a tow capability too.
Great to see another good, fun to drive EV.
Can’t wait to see your tear one apart! Props to Ford, please let the same group design the new Lightning.
Man, they did a really good job to make what was originally going to be an electric Fusion crossover feel like a Mustang. It’s even based (loosely) on a modified version of the C2 FWD ICE platform that underpins the Escape.
My biggest gripes are the charging issues. The 55 minute 0-80% charge and 1.5 hour 0-90% charge time is just not competitive against the ID.4’s 38-minute time, or the upcoming Ioniq 5/EV6
Totally biaised test drive!
Naaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh
Amazing that you make a teardown of the Mach E. It really looks like a great EV. I am a bit worried that Ford doesn't make money from selling the car. I hope we find out about this after your teardown :)
Ford is saying they are profitable. (or that they would be from day 1)
@@ericsmalling okey, i better hear Sandy's opinion on that than Ford's own statement. In addition, it would be intresting to know by how much the car is profitable, 1%, 10% or 25%? The margin makes a significant difference long term.
@@ericsmalling So if it's good, and it's profitable, did they plan to make enough of them? I heard 50k for this year.
That'd be the great analysis of where they are, this could be just a marketing move from Ford. Hopefully not!
But there're also supply issues. The real thing will be sales numbers, those don't lie...
@@ericsmalling Unfortunately, they are losing money for each one they are selling at the moment.
That Tesla wasn’t even charging, I’d reserve some annoyance for that. Seems like a jerk move on the Tesla’s part.
The sign said "EV parking only" not "EV charging only"
Great to hear. My first impression was that Ford took this seriously and Sandy's recommendation solidifies that.
You can't use the charger in anyway because it is CHAdeMO.
The thing is, it’s not just the car but also the infrastructure for charging. Even if all things equal, you must consider the charging infra. This video, Sandy can’t charge. What if he had 2% left? He is SOL. At least at Tesla Supercharger you know that you will get to charge, assuming charging plug is not broken. Now imagine you with you wife and young kids being stuck because the navigation takes you to a bad charging station.
Can't believe a Tesla is icing the the charging stall. Leave a nasty note.
"I'm going to get stuck behind grandma here" - Sandy, grandpa 🤣
Glad it feels nice!
But that charger wasn't the right shape for your ports.
And model 3/Y are significantly quicker.
Also glad Ford is stepping up their game.
"It Won't reach!" as he is parked on the far away line from the charger, lol. I think just changing his parking position would have worked, he just didn't want to use the DC Fast charger that bad!
Yup, it was definitely long enough!
Good to hear it!!! But PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE wait and buy the GT Performance to tear down!!
I love the new silent intro!! Thank you so much.
Feel like Sandy should have been more patient and show us the charging process and also try the UI to see if it as frustrating as ID4. Now we are left guessing about the user friendliness of the car.
Yay, a full teardown! Didn't realize Christmas is this close! :D
To me it was actual great, when you explained, that you where not introduced to the ID4 and sit right in and try hard to navigate. Was it the same with the Mustang or why did that part was not shown?
Excellent question!!!!
I'll believe it when they show the video of Sandy using the nav system.
I remember the day I rented a Ford Edge for a long road trip (renting is the way to go on a trip - don't have to worry about accidents, mechanical problems, or even a flat tire). I was stunned how solid, quiet, and free from mechanical vibrations that car was - better than my wife's Lexus. I don't think this EV is technologically up to Tesla's benchmark, but I don't doubt that this Mustang drives and feels like a $100K car.
My guess is that the Model 3 was parked on the side with the CCS plug, and you parkd on the CHADeMO side. That model 3 driver was being a tool. He couldn't even use it (unless it was a slower J1772 only).
Sandy didn't recognize that it was the wrong plug :) yes, and that Model 3 wasn't charging! No CCS adapter yet, but a chademo exists. Errors all around.
I believe that the Chargepoint charger was a Type 2 category only, anyway. Hence Fast charger, not Rapid. Which is why I believe Sandy backed out of charging the car whether he was correctly parked or using the right plug or not.
Sandy was correct 62.5 kw charging. 2 connectors 1 ccs & 1 chademo. 4 designated ev charging spaces even though 2 of them are useless. Maybe another charger is coming.
CHAdeMO and CCS. It is time some one give Munro a lesson on EVs. Making a fool of himself.
'Hey, Sandy! He likes it! He really likes it!'
And he's driving the slowest version of the MME. I bought the premiere extended range and I love it. Glad to see Sandy likes it so far. Looking forward to the tear down. We will learn a lot from watching the videos.
The ID.4 video was frustrating to watch. He never managed to hit the home button on the screen. Should be pretty obvious if you ever used a smartphone!!!
The "pretty obvious" thing would be for VW to use the same symbol as Google (it's "a house")
My android phone doesn't use the rectangle either, so I was looking for it on the Munro video, it wasn't "obvious"
His staff didn't leave the Mach E in a sub-menu like they did with the VW. They also found the time to install software updates before the test drive unlike the ID.4.
@@rogerstarkey5390 It's a rectangular on my Samsung phone..
Manufacturers have to start including front grills for individuality,and a little mechanical noise!
Charging is a real downer... love my Tesla Performance 3! Love the Tesla supercharger infrastructure! Nope to Ford, VW...
Huh? You do realize that there are plenty of EA chargers with well over 100kw speeds? There are also plenty of ChargePoint and EVgo chargers that are over 100kw max speed.
Sandy chose to go to an older ChargePoint station that looked like a free charger (60kw). And there was a Tesla there for a reason..
Going 25mph over the speed limit complaining about how slow people are going. Sandy is that kind of driver.
Good job. Hopefully we will quickly transition to pure EV"s
yep,30 or 40 years from now
@@georgeionescu6425 it will happen alot faster than that the EU and many states have banned the sale of new ICE vehicles by 2030.
Yes, only if ICE cars OEMs stop complaining about Tesla and start investing into ev.
@@adityasahasranshu7503 Meanwhile we have Toyota off in the corner developing ICE vehicles that run off of Hydrogen. Which makes zero sense because they can't even sell an EV that runs off of Hydrogen without 20k in incentives. I have to give thm credit though they are really innovative at finding brand new ways to flog a dead horse.
@@Robbie6298 hydrogen makes sense if electricity price is negative. this may happen in the future.
Hi Sandy, yes it is a great car, I almost took delivery (test drove AWD Extended range over 2 days for a couple of hours per drive and tested out DC fast charging), but I heard and have seen the AWD Extended range has insufficient battery cooling for sustained high rate charging is my surmise as Kyle over at Out of Spec Motoring Your Tube Channel, commented that at driving fast and heavy through Colorado highlands on their twisty windies (lots of elevation changes) the car had battery cooling issues and throttled back the battery output. So my solution as Ford will not likely fix this soon enough is to hold out for the GT as it's high-output would require a more substantial battery cooling system which should benefit. As I do lots of long distance road trips, I do not want to hold out at the Fast DC charger station just because it cannot cool the batteries quick enough at 150KW rate.
The review parameters of this series seem inconsistent. Why did we not see Sandy figure out the user interface of the mach E, while driving!? Just like the id4? And why was the angle of the id4 review a rental car scenario and the mach E review is all about torque?
That's a very good question. One that I'll be surprised if answered.
I like the fair and balanced analysis.
You basically got ICE'd by a Tesla. LOL
No, by a CHAdeMO charger!
It wouldn't have fitted!
@@rogerstarkey5390 Still, the Tesla was parked in a charging spot and not charging. But yeah, I noticed it was the wrong plug he pulled out. The station he stopped at has CHAdeMO on one side and CCS on the other. The Tesla was blocking the more convenient side for CCS.
Tesla Model Y owner here...love that Sandy likes this and he feels Ford's Mach-E is solid competition to Tesla as it will only help to strengthen both brand's products. But I will not even consider another brand other than Tesla until the non-Tesla charging infrastructure improves in both frictionless user experience and availability. Say what you want about Tesla build quality but if you can't reliably use your EV for road trips the fit-n-finish of your car does not matter.
Best comment by far the only thing shit for tesla is fit and finish which represent .00001% of costumer based only youtubers whom so perfectionist which they trash tesla yet they still buy it?
Negative do sell news hence youtubers always rant on fit and finish which is inconsequential to the overall user experience.
@@chillrawr9603 Exactly right. I've owned three Teslas so far, Model S, X & now Y, and have experienced firsthand the build quality improve over time. However, I used to drive BMW & Audis and Tesla is still no where near their fit-n-finish. But Tesla has them both beat on performance and reliability as I have never once been stranded in any of my Teslas due to engine or drivetrain failures.
I want to see Sandy take it across the country like he did with the Model 3. After driving the Ford vs Model Y I think both are brilliant but the Ford is let down by the charging. It's the only downfall it has.
And no autopilot yet
@@renaissancesurfer7829 It has radar/camera based lane centering and adaptive cruise (the features Tesla call Autopilot) already; with it doesn't have yet is hands free lane centering and adaptive cruise control
@@renaissancesurfer7829 The Autopilot your must be referring to is the lane centering adaptive cruise control that Tesla has which is similar to the one currently in the Mach E. In a couple of months your comment will be 100% correct because the Mach will move past that "Autopilot" system with their very own BlueCruise which is a complete handsfree highway driving. So you will be right, the Mach will no longer have the so called "Autopilot" and will have a better system than Tesla. BTW, the term "Autopilot" used by Tesla is banned in some EU countries because it's false advertising. You will still have to touch the wheel every so often to let the car know that you are alert....so not really "Auto-Pilot".
@Keksi I never said one was better than the other, I said it existed (which it does).
@@safetyguy14 Tesla owners are like the worst when it comes to comparing anything to Tesla.
Bad build quality and all still nothing's better than a Tesla. They need that edge... another gift from the movie starring David Duchovny Demi Moore Joneses. Bahahah!! 🤣
It’s getting so that I look for golden moments like 9:45 wrap up! Patriotic mask, Mustang logo, what a cool body gesture! Doesn’t matter what Sandy reviews now
It looks like he could have charged it if he backed in like he talked about. Think about it Sandy, do you pull up to a gas station with the fill hose on the opposite side of the pump? Well, by pulling in forward, that was exactly what you did.
I have a doubt if he had reversed back in it still wouldn't have been long enough IMO right?
I often see people stretching the filler hose over or around their cars in order to fill from the "wrong" side. The places I fill up have long enough hoses to allow that.
The nice thing about the charging port being near the front is it can allow for angled parking spots where you only pull in forward. I wish Tesla would keep that in mind.
Awesome looking forward to the tear down vids!
Coming soon!
Congrats to Ford, this looks like a winner. Didn't hear a mention about road noise, which seemed loud (but he was doing 90+). I love my Model 3, but I think I'd opt for the Mach-E over a Y.
Great positive video
Get that facemask into the laundry!!💪💪
get that facemask into the trashcan
I test drove the Mach-E then the ID4 Pro S (much different than the ONE). I ended up going with the ID4. The ride was much more comfortable and the acceleration in the PRO S was very nice.
The only downside is the charging info structure is going to frustrate owners. Somebody needs to step up if you want to take on Tesla's super charging, it's fast, everywhere & convenient. Easiest to use of all charging companies.
Yeah, it's surprising how easy the super charger is to use. I've had a model 3 for 6 months and recently super charged for the first time. Just plug in the cable and it just does it's thing, giving you a running total of the price as you're charging. It was also neat to see the car giving a message about prepping the battery as I was navigating to the super charger. They really nailed it.
"Infrastructure"
Door placement is correct, had you backed in odds are the cable COULD have been shorter because more distance to the rear vs to the front. In that spot had you backed it you also would have been able to connect the charger, assuming the connectors were compatible.
Sandy, lucky you kept the speedometer to display km/h...
Filmed in Mexico 😂
@@djwarren5081 or Canada :)
Calling other drivers "clowns" is the best thing in this video
Comparing the Mach E AWD with two motors to the ID.4 with one motor isn’t a fair comparison.
Any wagers we won't hear a peep out of Sandy once the AWD ID.4 is available?
It reduces my happiness, freedom and life quality, if I am forced to drive in a car that I don’t like. I like my Tesla at home, I like to rent and drive in the Corvette or other American classic when I am stateside. Makes me happy to see that Ford has managed to bring a smile on your face with the mach-e. I have been a bit negative about them calling this a Mustang, but apparently they have brought some of that driving joy to this as well.
excellent, we get to see what it's made of
Got a good laugh at the short charging cable! 😅 Thanks!
Where is the clip when he finds the location where you are going? Would be interesting to see how intuitive the infotaiment system is.
Yeah, Sandy busted pretty hard on the ID.4 UI but is just laughing off the part where the Mach E took him to a level 2 charger.
@@basementstudio7574
A level 2 charger with the wrong type plug.
@@basementstudio7574 it was a level 3 charger. Just not those fast 150kw chargers.
Hi Sandy, that Chargepoint is a ChaDaMo plug, where as Ford is using CCS plug.
A serious contender for Tesla once Ford and others develop a decent national charging network that is intergraded into their GPS like Tesla.
FORD, has a long way to go.
It needs Service centers with Mobile service that you can call with your car or smartphone.
And Ford can build DC Fast chargers to add to EA and ChargePoint
Its not 2018, its 2021, there are plenty of public chargers that are above 100kw.. The car's navigational system will show which chargers are open and the max speed of each chargers. The navigational system will also tell you how much charge you will have in your battery when you arrive at the charger..
Is it Ford's problem that Sandy chose an older and slower ChargePoint charger?
@@mamadouaziza2536 the clear point is there are STILL not enough fast charging stations. The electrify america one he went to last time was a significant drive away. And they STILL have problems and bugs with those stations due to the myriad of different vehicle manufactures that they have to accommodate.. Tesla is like an apple device.. it may be proprietary.. and you many not like that.. but it just f'n works all the time. The CCS shit is like android.. there is a lot more variety it can accomodate, but it comes with a shit ton of inherent problems because of that. Not for everyone.. some have no issues.. but just look around on youtube.. there are tons of reported problems using Electrify America and pretty much any CCS system.. between them not having enough stalls.. more then a few out of service.. the stupid cabling and locations of the charge ports in some cars.. the many different apps and accounts you have to access to operate the different makers of the charging stations.. it's just a mess really. If you know your needs and do your research you can get in a groove that works.. but travel outside your norm and try to use the varying makers.. and you would get varying results.. and who wants that shit on a trip somewhere? who wants to worry about IF the charger where you're going is gonna work? It's ridiculous! Until CCS and the industry get their shit together, I certainly wouldn't be interested in going outside Tesla's 'the shit just works' infrastructure. I don't care how good the Mach E is.. and it's still not 'better' than a Tesla at anything.. sure maybe you like the looks and styling more.. subjective stuff.. but straight numbers, it wins at nothing. I can see it's appeal.. it SHOULD be a popular car.. and owners will be generally happy probably.. but I would bet any Tesla owner who changes to go to any other car, will miss the Tesla superchargers. If you never had them to use.. well then you can't miss them.. but there will be lots of owners frustrated and annoyed with the charging infrastructure of CCS for years to come
Lucky guy, when I lived there that section of I-75 always had MSP or AHP with speed traps. The charge station looked like real life; short cord, wrong connection and a guy not charging parked in the spot with "possibly" the correct connector. So glad Ford did the J1772 connector with CCS. That Nissan/Mitsibishi centric CHAdeMO connector needs to go since it only works on 2 brands of car in North America.
Is it only me or Sandy tried to find all sorts of excuses not to charge the car?
Would it be better to have the charge door flip upwards to open? I doubt Ford can reverse it without running into problems with air flow tearing the door open or off while driving.
Also: that charger was a chademo wasn't it? Those don't fit on a CCS plug :D
Ya know your in a fast car when everyone else is so slow. 😂
It's much safer to back into an empty spot, and pull out forward, than to pull in forward and potentially back out into cross traffic.
5:20 The moment of the impulse buy
Another advantage for Tesla is all their charge ports are on the driver side rear of their cars which keeps uniformity at superchargers preventing situations where it is luck of the draw on whether or not the cable can reach your charge port because of cable length, port location and open/occupied spaces. Imagine having barely any juice left and running into a situation like Sandy did here? Having the wrong adapter, cable doesn’t reach, other spots occupied with no one in sight to ask how much longer they’ll be. Spoiler alert .. It would suck. At Tesla superchargers these problems don’t exist... and that’s smart on their part.
Charger had a plug that would have worked, had Sandy backed into the spot.
Is Taycan and/or eTron next??? Asking for a friend ...
yeeee! another car taken apart. Waiting for the cybertruck takes too long
90mph and he is complaining 😅 That speed in Norway would result in bye bye drivers licence for months minimum depending on the speed limit.
Porsche did a sliding charge point door for a reason, expect so many of these Ford doors to be damaged by the heady cord. Look forward to the teardown.
That's a Chademo cable...the issue isn't the cord. Jeez really makes me question Munro more and more.
Bigger crime is the unplugged Tesla blocking the CCS cable.
Why do so many legacy manufacturers fail on the charging port.. Also reversing in is easier and saver because you have a better turn radius and better view when leaving. It’s just common sense if you think about it (most don’t).
The real reason to reverse in?
Means you're not reversing *out* into moving traffic (especially with the poor rear quarter visibility of the Ford)
The Tesla is “icing” the charging station. 😠 EV drivers, charging stations are not reserved parking for your EV. Not sure why people don’t get it.
Thanks so much for this! I'm seriously considering the Mach-E now.
Might pick up some Ford stock, too.