The fact that there are less engine management concerns holds as much value as the faster airspeeds and time to climb considerations in my book. Money well spent. Love the numbers videos, that's the info we need.
These numbers will never enter into anything I do in this lifetime. But I'm watching this for the second time. I watched Mark's video. But no matter I just love to listen to you guys talk about your airplanes.
It’s very interesting to learn what it cost to fly your anirplanes and how and why you do what you do. There are not many people out there that can tell of your experiences without leaving a “better than thou” feeling in your messages. You and Mike are over the top in what you do and then to explain it to us viewers, who will never fly airplanes like you do, how you get it done is beautiful. I very much enjoyed my flying days in the Beech Sundowner, I can only imagine what it like to fly one of your airplanes. Thank you for taking the time to share your experiences with your viewers. Flying is flying, some fly jets, some fly ultralights, and some fly all the stuff in between. It’s all about the love of airplanes and flying. From Missouri, Jack
Will never own something this nice and will probably never fulfill my dream of owning a plane period and yet found this video captivating! Great job Mark.
Watched the full video just because both of your enthusiasm and passion for aviation is contagious. I’m just an Army Helo (AH-64D) pilot who flies general aviation when I get a chance. I can appreciate it when I don’t have to pay out of pocket for both scheduled or unscheduled maintenance on these helicopters. So it’s amazing to me that someone like yourselves can afford that much. Maybe I’ll never get there (which is ok), but I’ll continue to watch your videos and live my vicariously thru yours. Back to work!
I’d watch even if I wasn’t an enthusiast of aviation. Just to see the enthusiasm, passion and happiness of you both makes it worth watching. Keep smiling- love to see it!
I’m not a pilot, I’ve flown all of 3 times commercially, when you talk about different planes I generally have no clue what you’re talking about. All that being said, I could listen to you talk about the cost:benefit analysis on the 9 different ways of skinning a cat. Thank you Patey Brothers for piquing my interest in aviation. Because of you I will some day own a bush plane and have my private pilots license.
That’s why we love watching your channel. By breaking down the numbers, you are giving everyone real data and not just all emotion. You have plenty of that to spare as well but each post is exceptionally thought through. Keep on sharing.
Watched this on Marks channel, Just watched it again here. Great video, Hearing how excited mark was to give those beautiful numbers was worth the time to hear it again
Your explanation of the process you are following makes total sense - NEW for OLD with less expense and better quality. I like the way you and Mike think.
I am not a pilot but love airplanes. My wife and I were hosting a RV park in Iron River, Michigan. Krist Oil Co. had a PC-12 flying out of a very short runway in Stambaugh, Michigan. He flew directly over us in the park. Got quite a few pictures of him taking off and landing. Great Airplane.
WELL THAT cinches it, I'm getting a Pilatus and upgrading the engine like this! The numbers and the increased simplicity of flying ~ done deal. Thanks Mike and Mark for your outstanding contribution to aviation, YES ! !
I sure didn't think that was boring. I'm not a pilot, I'm not an aircraft owner, nor am I an aircraft mechanic. I am a Patey enthusiast, and seeing how passionate Mark is on this subject makes it interesting. But then again, I enjoyed reading Encyclopedias as a child
The first flight will be extremely exciting. Way cool. I love the best tug for my Columbia 350 that I purchased from you. I push and pull my hanger door open and shut with it too! Great design!
Great information. The low down is apples to apples, not the oranges, bananas, or pineapples... Time speed, temperature, altitude...and most important Fuel burn per setting... The added value and of safety and ease of operation as you point out is "Priceless"... Thanks Mike to all of us gearhead airplane numbers pilots out there... We devour POA for the gold in them...
Smiling! Galveston, TX: Was raised on a ranch just about 50 miles from there. My uncle and aunt owned a bay house there, and we got to go play as kids.
You were right. I couldn't care less about the details you mentioned. BUT what I did enjoy hearing about is all the various considerations that you talked about as a pilot. As you can tell, I'm not one, but I am a fan of technical knowledge, and it always gets my motor revved to hear the kinds of things that other smart people have to deal with. So thanks!! It was well worth my time.
That's awesome and makes perfect sense. Thanks for the explanation, It's good that you are spending long cruise time collecting data instead of just going for the ride so that you can make this stuff work. Don't ever lose the spirit of blasting around the mountains and valleys of Utah with friends just having fun flying with some cool music. We enjoy watching that too. Thanks!
I am not a pilot but that whole video was fantastic to watch ! I can grasp less drag at higher altitude and better fuel consumption, more power in reserve for emergencies, fascinating stuff ! Thank you for all the information !
Faster AND less workload? Can't beat that! Plus I'm sure you can be off the runway & clearing obstacles quicker, too. Probably not as much of a factor out West as it is up here in the Northeast with trees and wires everywhere, but still an added bonus nonetheless! Thanks for the breakdown, Mark. I love that aircraft!! 👍😎👍
The NTSB made it appear as if the Pilates medical flight accident was caused by inflight breakup or structural failure in which case the pilots were not the cause of their demise. 🤔🧐😳
Hi Mark, I love your in depth data analysis. I noticed a small error around 4:21 in your video where you talk about the max continuous temp of 820 while on the screen it says 840 for the Papa engine. Not trying to be picky, just trying to help.Again: thank you so much for sharing all of this. You guys take awesomeness to a whole new level. 👍
Not that I understood everything but what I understood sounds awesome. Glad the results that you are getting is making the most sense. But I don't expect Mark and you doing anything without looking at the numbers. Numbers can lie if not use by the right person. But they can tell stories and prove things that estimates can never tell you. Great job guys.
As a Mechanical Engineer (now retired) I am always interested in engines and things they go in! Sadly, most of my professional career was involved in Forensic Failure Analysis of those where the internals decided they didn't want to play nice with each other anymore! ☹
@@PhilG999 the design engineers call that unscheduled rapid disassembly a feature not a bug. 😂 as an automation engineer I’d say that it was purely mechanical related. 😂
After seeing a ton of pilatus at work, this is insane hearing about the difference. With all of the modifications you have already done, do you have the door handle upgrade to make it flush with the side, and I believe there is also a speed nose that will also grab you a few more knots. The nose is rare and I have only seen 2 of them. I feel like the whole experience of having it done and a new feeling for the plane is great for piloting! Keep up the good work!!!
I do remember both of the speed noses I have seen were on legacy pc12. I don’t know if there is a restriction because of a different engine from not seeing it on the ng.
As a person who isnt really into aviation (i mean I do watch this channel and find it very interesting but that’s about the extent of my interest) and didnt even know what a Pilatus is until a week or so ago, I still really enjoyed this video. I guess I just really like numbers.
Mark, you did a perfect explanation. It’s so good I can use it in my lectures at aviation college 😊. Obviously the climbing part is what makes thermal difference performance wise. Nice to see your able to gain some more cruise speed. But getting there the easy way makes grade. I have flown loads of multi engine pt6 planes and yes we set those energies not to exceed red line ever. We gave up some speed / performance to make some space for cockpit management. Luckily some newer planes made life better by upgrade like yours Congratulations 👏
So cool that you guys have a home in Galveston too. Please keep in touch as we are also thinking of getting another home there as well. We live in Reno but all of our family are in TX.
If my memory serves me right you mentioned that the papa motor goes to 5000 hours before major overhaul compared to the bravo only doing 3500. You compared them as the same TBO but that 1500 hours makes a huge difference when figuring the the cost from just overhauling the bravo! Also, what about down time? Because, with my experience of you have to pull the engine off and send it out to be rebuilt the down time is unknown, having a new engine to slap in as soon as the other comes out and putting it back in the air had to be a huge bonus. Love you brothers having the time of your life and bringing us all along for the ride! Mark, have you come up with your "get back to work line yet"?
fresh wax job helps you as well. and protecting the boots with age master really helps, You can resell the old engine, you have no bulletins to go or be having to do soon on a legacy engine if you can get parts my friend said
I love ppl talking about $1M as if nothing for a motor. That is my net worth. Ha ha. I have zero jealousy and feel rich in the Lord and all the blessings I have, including my Lyc 0360 powered RV7. I love numbers as an engineer and airline pilot.... The upgrade was worth it? If you have the money yes. It definitely added performance and resale value. Q: Is that a $1M including trade in for original PT6? Considering a full PT6 overhaul is $460K flat rate, (could be less), $1M for a NEW PT6 with higher thermal limits is pretty good. Aviation to save $1M you have to spend $5 million. Ha ha. Planes do not fly with LIFT and THRUST.... They fly with $$$$$$$$$.
@stephandelaat who are you? Won't happen? Ha ha. $460K is not 460. Punctuation matters. That is $460,000 and it is high. It can be done for less. I talked to P&W Canada. I worked for P&W military engines in CT as an engineer. Ala Cart overhaul with minimal parts replaced is less if the PT6 is in good condition, well-maintained and properly operated. Does not include prop overhaul. I just looked it up. Do research before you open your mouth.
@@gmcjetpilot I sell PT6A maintenance and in can tell you an all inclusive (oem approved) flat rate overhaul for 67B at 460k can not be done. 460k is probably closer to the average 67B overhaul price. They can end up at 600k or even higher.
@@stephandelaat What is it? Can or can't be done for $460K? You contradicted yourself. Did you think I said 460 dollars? Ha ha. If you have a crack in combustor or turbine cost can go way up. I have 35 yrs in turbine aircraft cert, maintenance and operations, mechanical engineer, ATP with 6 types. If you can (apparently) buy a new PT6 for $1M (M means million) then yes you can get an overhaul for much less. Your Apology to me accepted.
Greetings from Cape Town. Although your numbers refer to the PC12, your presentation can be used on how to consider an STC for any aircraft, and work the numbers to see if it’s a worthwhile proposition. Nice video.
I wanted to come say hello in Seattle today but I have to do the work rule it was a long day any ways super cool video hopefully I will have the opertunity to meet you fellows one day safe travels
So smart so easy to listen to, bonus is I can understand your math/plane limits and peaks.! Legend thanks the more times I watch the more I learn.! Thank you
... very interesting ... whilst I have not flown the PC12 I have flown the Leonardo 139 with the Heli versions of this engine ... the digital fuel controls just offer so much more from the aircraft ... I can so understand the enthusiasm ... nice stuff !
Thanks Mark/Mike!! I'm a big nerd so I listened to ever word and loved it! I could have 1k questions, but the big one is, why not go to a PC24? It's PC12 based, still STOL and single pilot, but does everything even faster/better than the new motor! The PC12 resale value is excellent, factor in the 1M upgrade and it's not that much more considering what you get!?! I believe it's even more FADEC and has auto-throttles to! The climb and cruse is faster also!?! Great video, thanks much!! 8) --gary
I can't remember his name but I'm subscribed to a guy who was a A&P at Surf Air. He said their pilots always preferred flying the Legacy birds over the NGs because they were quicker. He said even though the NGs had a more powerful engine it was negated by the heft of that Honeywell Primus and all its videocards.....(Which he showed are located underneath the cabin floor by the way lol) He always said the NG motor in the Legacy bird would be a hot rod!!!
Upgrades are always worth it, know matter what it is, plane, or any other vehicle, if it makes it safer, more relaxed to use, more reliable, you feel more confident, and safer in using it, (lot less stress).
LOL what? An upgrade in no way means all those things you mentioned. Can it? Sure. Does it? No. I upgraded my car many times. Not only did almost none of them so the things you mentioned, many of them did the opposite.
I used to fly the legacy and ng, but not the new NGX. The NG had way more get up, and the 5 blade prop we had on some of the NGs added another 50-100 fpm on the climb. Believe it or not though I actually preferred the legacy in the hot summer months because you didn't have to wait 30 seconds or more in a 110+ degree flight deck for the Honeywell to boot up so you could start the motor, but I wasn't paying the bills either. The new flight deck was amazing though
All the Numbers, what altitude was the Coffin Corner with the new engine? Max Altitude, where you push forward on Stick and go down. Pull back on the Stick and go down?
Hey great to hear, but you can also count the 3th overhaul of the B will be way more expensive compared to the first P that would have been hit around the same time that's also a win
I love seeing Mark so excited for the second time to watch him explain P vs B
Oh good. It wasn't just me watching it again. haha!
It took me far too long to realize I'd already seen this...
That was a ONE MILLION explanation.
The fact that there are less engine management concerns holds as much value as the faster airspeeds and time to climb considerations in my book.
Money well spent.
Love the numbers videos, that's the info we need.
These numbers will never enter into anything I do in this lifetime. But I'm watching this for the second time. I watched Mark's video. But no matter I just love to listen to you guys talk about your airplanes.
It’s very interesting to learn what it cost to fly your anirplanes and how and why you do what you do. There are not many people out there that can tell of your experiences without leaving a “better than thou” feeling in your messages. You and Mike are over the top in what you do and then to explain it to us viewers, who will never fly airplanes like you do, how you get it done is beautiful. I very much enjoyed my flying days in the Beech Sundowner, I can only imagine what it like to fly one of your airplanes. Thank you for taking the time to share your experiences with your viewers. Flying is flying, some fly jets, some fly ultralights, and some fly all the stuff in between. It’s all about the love of airplanes and flying.
From Missouri, Jack
Great to have an excellent, no BS, presentation to start a Saturday morning! Thank you, Mark😊
Will never own something this nice and will probably never fulfill my dream of owning a plane period and yet found this video captivating!
Great job Mark.
Watched the full video just because both of your enthusiasm and passion for aviation is contagious. I’m just an Army Helo (AH-64D) pilot who flies general aviation when I get a chance. I can appreciate it when I don’t have to pay out of pocket for both scheduled or unscheduled maintenance on these helicopters. So it’s amazing to me that someone like yourselves can afford that much. Maybe I’ll never get there (which is ok), but I’ll continue to watch your videos and live my vicariously thru yours. Back to work!
I’d watch even if I wasn’t an enthusiast of aviation. Just to see the enthusiasm, passion and happiness of you both makes it worth watching. Keep smiling- love to see it!
I’m not a pilot, I’ve flown all of 3 times commercially, when you talk about different planes I generally have no clue what you’re talking about. All that being said, I could listen to you talk about the cost:benefit analysis on the 9 different ways of skinning a cat.
Thank you Patey Brothers for piquing my interest in aviation. Because of you I will some day own a bush plane and have my private pilots license.
That’s why we love watching your channel. By breaking down the numbers, you are giving everyone real data and not just all emotion. You have plenty of that to spare as well but each post is exceptionally thought through. Keep on sharing.
Watched this on Marks channel, Just watched it again here. Great video, Hearing how excited mark was to give those beautiful numbers was worth the time to hear it again
This video was way out of my wheelhouse but your excitement kept me on the edge of my seat!!
Knowing "the numbers" is what makes the name Patey mean success. Great job Mark! PAPA all the way!
Your explanation of the process you are following makes total sense - NEW for OLD with less expense and better quality. I like the way you and Mike think.
Mark showed up in Sedona this week with that B E A utiful bird. It was a pleasure meeting you!
I am not a pilot but love airplanes. My wife and I were hosting a RV park in Iron River, Michigan. Krist Oil Co. had a PC-12 flying out of a very short runway in Stambaugh, Michigan. He flew directly over us in the park. Got quite a few pictures of him taking off and landing. Great Airplane.
The experience you share with us is worth the time we spend with you on RUclips, Thanks Mike And Mark for sharing! love your channel.
WELL THAT cinches it, I'm getting a Pilatus and upgrading the engine like this! The numbers and the increased simplicity of flying ~ done deal. Thanks Mike and Mark for your outstanding contribution to aviation, YES ! !
I sure didn't think that was boring. I'm not a pilot, I'm not an aircraft owner, nor am I an aircraft mechanic. I am a Patey enthusiast, and seeing how passionate Mark is on this subject makes it interesting. But then again, I enjoyed reading Encyclopedias as a child
I think watching it the second time you get to see how excited Mark is.
I’m about two hours by car north of Galveston right at the Leona Vor.
The first flight will be extremely exciting. Way cool. I love the best tug for my Columbia 350 that I purchased from you. I push and pull my hanger door open and shut with it too! Great design!
Great information. The low down is apples to apples, not the oranges, bananas, or pineapples... Time speed, temperature, altitude...and most important Fuel burn per setting... The added value and of safety and ease of operation as you point out is "Priceless"... Thanks Mike to all of us gearhead airplane numbers pilots out there... We devour POA for the gold in them...
Great job Mark..! Love the paint job on Perry.
I did watch Mark's vid but it's great to see you add one. Thanks Mikey!
Smiling!
Galveston, TX: Was raised on a ranch just about 50 miles from there.
My uncle and aunt owned a bay house there, and we got to go play as kids.
You were right. I couldn't care less about the details you mentioned. BUT what I did enjoy hearing about is all the various considerations that you talked about as a pilot. As you can tell, I'm not one, but I am a fan of technical knowledge, and it always gets my motor revved to hear the kinds of things that other smart people have to deal with. So thanks!! It was well worth my time.
Those 2 episodes should be used in a lecture series. Very well done. Thank you
Yeah we're gonna need a few shots of Perry in your video outro Mike!! It's officially been Pateyized!
This was enjoyable to see how you have "thought engineered" all of the numbers for betterment of the flight, costs, and safety. Great!!
Some take off and runway length numbers would be awesome, thanks for the update!
That's awesome and makes perfect sense. Thanks for the explanation, It's good that you are spending long cruise time collecting data instead of just going for the ride so that you can make this stuff work. Don't ever lose the spirit of blasting around the mountains and valleys of Utah with friends just having fun flying with some cool music. We enjoy watching that too. Thanks!
That was an AMAZING and easy to understand update. Thanks Mark (and Mike). Love your content and living vicariously through you both!
I watched this on Mark's channel, thanks for reposting. Good data!
As an FAA Certified pilot and A&P Technician all of Mark;s explanation makes sense.
I am not a pilot but that whole video was fantastic to watch ! I can grasp less drag at higher altitude and better fuel consumption, more power in reserve for emergencies, fascinating stuff ! Thank you for all the information !
Faster AND less workload? Can't beat that! Plus I'm sure you can be off the runway & clearing obstacles quicker, too. Probably not as much of a factor out West as it is up here in the Northeast with trees and wires everywhere, but still an added bonus nonetheless! Thanks for the breakdown, Mark. I love that aircraft!! 👍😎👍
Your explanation covers what the poor pilot was trying to manage in the Pilates medical flight accident. God bless them all. Thanks for the info
The NTSB made it appear as if the Pilates medical flight accident was caused by inflight breakup or structural failure in which case the pilots were not the cause of their demise. 🤔🧐😳
@@jamesburns2232 can you elaborate? I have not heard of that one? Maybe a paragraph of everything?
@@OnceShy_TwiceBitten You need to contact Dan Grider from Probable Cause. He can explain it much better than I can.
Cool video. Mark is intense in a different way. He’s not messing around
Hi Mark, I love your in depth data analysis. I noticed a small error around 4:21 in your video where you talk about the max continuous temp of 820 while on the screen it says 840 for the Papa engine. Not trying to be picky, just trying to help.Again: thank you so much for sharing all of this. You guys take awesomeness to a whole new level. 👍
Thanks. Yup you’re right, I said it correctly but there is a typo 👍
I loved his energy in this video. Obviously very pleased and excited about the upgrade👍
I enjoyed and understood more of Mark’s thinking this second time watching the video. Thanks for the repeat! Pilatus is my favorite dream plane. 😊
Not that I understood everything but what I understood sounds awesome. Glad the results that you are getting is making the most sense. But I don't expect Mark and you doing anything without looking at the numbers. Numbers can lie if not use by the right person. But they can tell stories and prove things that estimates can never tell you. Great job guys.
Keep it coming, Mike. Thanks for mixing it up. See you in the sky's.
As a Mechanical Engineer (now retired) I am always interested in engines and things they go in! Sadly, most of my professional career was involved in Forensic Failure Analysis of those where the internals decided they didn't want to play nice with each other anymore! ☹
So, you studied what happened when internal combustion transitions to external combustion... Ferrari might want to have a word. Lol
@@TomGS Actually most of the ones *I* dealt with were German Diesels. Ones that usually were run low or out of oil, and then run to destruction. 😡
It may have seemed boring to you but as one consumer of millions that benefit from people like you doing that work thanks :)
@@danielc9312 ditto
@@PhilG999 the design engineers call that unscheduled rapid disassembly a feature not a bug. 😂 as an automation engineer I’d say that it was purely mechanical related. 😂
I like your relative breakdowns of Eng temp and weight variables. I find that very interesting.
Excellent Analysis! Definitely worth it! For me, the improved Pilot Workload is the real win.
I first fell in love with an aircraft when I started skydiving, our PC6 EC-KGD 🥰 love the pilatus style, they all look beautiful!
Same. F-GODZ 🤘
@@f-godz3342 YES MATE! Iconic Jumpship 😜🤘 I’ve never been to BK, but EVERYONE knows that plane 😁
You loved it sooooo much, you jumped out? 😂
Great video Mark! Also, the Pilatus looks sexy as heck in that new paint, really nice look on that sleek airframe!
After seeing a ton of pilatus at work, this is insane hearing about the difference. With all of the modifications you have already done, do you have the door handle upgrade to make it flush with the side, and I believe there is also a speed nose that will also grab you a few more knots. The nose is rare and I have only seen 2 of them. I feel like the whole experience of having it done and a new feeling for the plane is great for piloting! Keep up the good work!!!
I do remember both of the speed noses I have seen were on legacy pc12. I don’t know if there is a restriction because of a different engine from not seeing it on the ng.
You killed it on the numbers, I can see no reason not to do the upgrade. That was awesome.
As a person who isnt really into aviation (i mean I do watch this channel and find it very interesting but that’s about the extent of my interest) and didnt even know what a Pilatus is until a week or so ago, I still really enjoyed this video. I guess I just really like numbers.
Mark, you did a perfect explanation. It’s so good I can use it in my lectures at aviation college 😊.
Obviously the climbing part is what makes thermal difference performance wise.
Nice to see your able to gain some more cruise speed. But getting there the easy way makes grade.
I have flown loads of multi engine pt6 planes and yes we set those energies not to exceed red line ever.
We gave up some speed / performance to make some space for cockpit management.
Luckily some newer planes made life better by upgrade like yours
Congratulations 👏
Love these different vids! Keep them coming
It would be amazing to see the real time cockpit calculations during flight.
Excellent content
Thanks for giving us the details!
I'm a Cessna guy. Those stats are WAY outta my league!
The passion shown between both Mike and Mark is incredible. Thank you for sharing your talents with the world.
Pateys explaining hurts
I love the honesty upfront. I'm still watching, though :D
PC12 is a dream airplane, hopefully in my future!
Excellent brief on the decision path to get a new motor. Pratt and Whitney is going to sell a gob of these puppies due to your video!
that was awesome! Thanks Mark!
well done , loved the numbers crunching
Got to love this guy! Pushing the tech in flying! Now I regret not taking almost free flight lessons in the Air Force in 1973
Oh dang, ill have to keep an eye out for a bunch of 💪's being thrown around next time I'm working in Galvestoon!
So cool that you guys have a home in Galveston too. Please keep in touch as we are also thinking of getting another home there as well. We live in Reno but all of our family are in TX.
If my memory serves me right you mentioned that the papa motor goes to 5000 hours before major overhaul compared to the bravo only doing 3500. You compared them as the same TBO but that 1500 hours makes a huge difference when figuring the the cost from just overhauling the bravo! Also, what about down time? Because, with my experience of you have to pull the engine off and send it out to be rebuilt the down time is unknown, having a new engine to slap in as soon as the other comes out and putting it back in the air had to be a huge bonus.
Love you brothers having the time of your life and bringing us all along for the ride! Mark, have you come up with your "get back to work line yet"?
The new motor, IF equipped with FADEC has 5000 TBO, without FADEC its 3,600
@@801pilot OK, I guess I didn't realize that wasn't part of the upgrade. I stand corrected. Appreciate your time catching me up, thanks.
Mike, of course it was worth it. You two already engineered that decision to death I’m sure before dropping the 1M. Love you guys, get back to work!😂
Great to learn from a customer that we did a good job with this new epecs engine
These two videos are on both channels, with minor differences. Thanks guys.
fresh wax job helps you as well. and protecting the boots with age master really helps, You can resell the old engine, you have no bulletins to go or be having to do soon on a legacy engine if you can get parts my friend said
I love ppl talking about $1M as if nothing for a motor. That is my net worth. Ha ha. I have zero jealousy and feel rich in the Lord and all the blessings I have, including my Lyc 0360 powered RV7. I love numbers as an engineer and airline pilot.... The upgrade was worth it? If you have the money yes. It definitely added performance and resale value. Q: Is that a $1M including trade in for original PT6? Considering a full PT6 overhaul is $460K flat rate, (could be less), $1M for a NEW PT6 with higher thermal limits is pretty good. Aviation to save $1M you have to spend $5 million. Ha ha. Planes do not fly with LIFT and THRUST.... They fly with $$$$$$$$$.
460 flat rate overhaul will not happen.
@stephandelaat who are you? Won't happen? Ha ha. $460K is not 460. Punctuation matters. That is $460,000 and it is high. It can be done for less. I talked to P&W Canada. I worked for P&W military engines in CT as an engineer. Ala Cart overhaul with minimal parts replaced is less if the PT6 is in good condition, well-maintained and properly operated. Does not include prop overhaul. I just looked it up. Do research before you open your mouth.
@@gmcjetpilot I sell PT6A maintenance and in can tell you an all inclusive (oem approved) flat rate overhaul for 67B at 460k can not be done. 460k is probably closer to the average 67B overhaul price. They can end up at 600k or even higher.
@@stephandelaat What is it? Can or can't be done for $460K? You contradicted yourself. Did you think I said 460 dollars? Ha ha. If you have a crack in combustor or turbine cost can go way up. I have 35 yrs in turbine aircraft cert, maintenance and operations, mechanical engineer, ATP with 6 types. If you can (apparently) buy a new PT6 for $1M (M means million) then yes you can get an overhaul for much less. Your Apology to me accepted.
Engine not a motor.
Greetings from Cape Town. Although your numbers refer to the PC12, your presentation can be used on how to consider an STC for any aircraft, and work the numbers to see if it’s a worthwhile proposition. Nice video.
Good Morning,Mike and Mark!
I wanted to come say hello in Seattle today but I have to do the work rule it was a long day any ways super cool video hopefully
I will have the opertunity to meet you fellows one day safe travels
So smart so easy to listen to, bonus is I can understand your math/plane limits and peaks.!
Legend thanks the more times I watch the more I learn.! Thank you
You two are the GREATEST!
I miss Draco and the PT6 yall head in it . yall two brothers are amazing
... very interesting ... whilst I have not flown the PC12 I have flown the Leonardo 139 with the Heli versions of this engine ... the digital fuel controls just offer so much more from the aircraft ... I can so understand the enthusiasm ... nice stuff !
Fantastic summing up on the upgrade, loved it!
Thanks Mark/Mike!! I'm a big nerd so I listened to ever word and loved it! I could have 1k questions, but the big one is, why not go to a PC24? It's PC12 based, still STOL and single pilot, but does everything even faster/better than the new motor! The PC12 resale value is excellent, factor in the 1M upgrade and it's not that much more considering what you get!?! I believe it's even more FADEC and has auto-throttles to! The climb and cruse is faster also!?! Great video, thanks much!! 8) --gary
Explained so well im not a plane engine guy but i totally understood that
Thanks Mark, thanks Mike, great stuff! Big 👍
I don't own, or fly but watched the whole video because I like details and stats....... Pretty cool............
I can't remember his name but I'm subscribed to a guy who was a A&P at Surf Air. He said their pilots always preferred flying the Legacy birds over the NGs because they were quicker. He said even though the NGs had a more powerful engine it was negated by the heft of that Honeywell Primus and all its videocards.....(Which he showed are located underneath the cabin floor by the way lol)
He always said the NG motor in the Legacy bird would be a hot rod!!!
Loved the breakdown!
Transitioning from the Classic Dash8 to the Q400 - the easyDash 👍🏻😃 same deal.
Good decision Mark!
This Rotax 912S engine pilot found this fascinating!
Awesome fact filled video....Thank You!
Upgrades are always worth it, know matter what it is, plane, or any other vehicle, if it makes it safer, more relaxed to use, more reliable, you feel more confident, and safer in using it, (lot less stress).
LOL what? An upgrade in no way means all those things you mentioned. Can it? Sure. Does it? No. I upgraded my car many times. Not only did almost none of them so the things you mentioned, many of them did the opposite.
Anytime they invite you to be a guest speaker at Oshkosh, you've made the big time in aviation.
You guys inspire me.Thanks for your work and enthusiasm.
I used to fly the legacy and ng, but not the new NGX. The NG had way more get up, and the 5 blade prop we had on some of the NGs added another 50-100 fpm on the climb. Believe it or not though I actually preferred the legacy in the hot summer months because you didn't have to wait 30 seconds or more in a 110+ degree flight deck for the Honeywell to boot up so you could start the motor, but I wasn't paying the bills either. The new flight deck was amazing though
its good to see some flying content for a change.
All the Numbers, what altitude was the Coffin Corner with the new engine? Max Altitude, where you push forward on Stick and go down. Pull back on the Stick and go down?
It Never gets there. The PC12 is limited to 30,000 feet.
You guys are great role models for the industry! Thanks for sharing your passion!
Hey great to hear, but you can also count the 3th overhaul of the B will be way more expensive compared to the first P that would have been hit around the same time that's also a win
Very nice comparison. Loved the data shown
Love the numbers!
Glad THIS PC12 is okay and everyone is safe. Sad about crash in Vegas
These data-analysis videos deserve a separate RUclips channel! Very very very interesting.