It really is a great strategy. Although matches that close are infrequent at best unfortunately. Sometimes on a busy Saturday you can find 3 or 4, but during the week its rare to find any that are +EV. I've always found it more profitable to dutch the race if you have enough accounts.
Nice, as I've just been more than happy at the 14:20 at Aintree ending in a dead heat I'll be happy with that strategy. Skybet had £10 back as cash, 2nd - 4th, so I placed bets for a max loss of just over £1. They paid out half winnings on the horse I backed (favourite) Betfair paid out on my lay bet against the favourite. I then saw that the favourite had been demoted to 2nd Skybet then said they'd credited the £10 back as cash anyway. Not a lot of cash to you but it's a perfect outcome isn't it?
4:32 how does the bets on exchange will win if horse placed on extra places, if one of our lay bets are on place bets. so one of them should lose anyways no ?
I've been paying £15 a month for odds monkey for a while and want using it. Since I started using it 2 weeks ago I've made about £900 from 2 or 3 bets a day. The EV is huge on extra places. Good job I've got plenty of accounts.
Great tutorial video Caan. I've started doing these literally as a direct result of watching this video, so it really is appreciated that you are willing to share such information for no personal gain. I am yet to have a 4th/5th place 'winner', however I know that the odds are stacked in my favour with the limited liabilities I'm managing to seek, and the potential rewards, so statistically has to turn around soon. Also, I like the fact that if I use a 'Best Odds Guaranteed' bookie, and the odds drift out after I've set things up, I could end up making more profit if it wins....possibly even more than if it got the extra place :)
I think you're just each waying a ''4th'' favourite, the point is- we get a free extra ''place'' making the ''Win and each way'' profitable, because of the extra place line, we then lay on the exchange. You literally cannot lose the bet.
Excellent video, I won't place a bet unless I can clearyl identify value and this strategy will go straight into my portfolio (posh way of saying methods)
I do a variation on this without using the bookies. I check the extra place races on Saturdays then check the Betfair place odds before racing starts. If they significantly higher than a fifth of what the bookies are giving i back the place knowing the odds will drop and i can trade out.
Ye the place odds really tighten up close to the start. Only downside doing such things at the start is odds can move quick so you need to be really slick. That's where it's easiest to get a really efficient match.
Ive got a bet that i think is worth looking into you bet on the current correct score when it hits 2 goals so 1-1 2-0 or 0-2 you back it and then lay for half the price to get an evens bet say you backed at 4 layed at 2 on say 1-1 you then cover before game starts 2-1 to outsider 2-1 to favourite and 3-0 to outsider as anytime correct scores if someone scores theres a great chance you will have the right score as 0-3 to slightly odds on favourite wont be fancied that much as expect the outsider to score in the first 3 goals so then you would get the atcs however if it backs at 4 and you get it layed at 2 then if someone scores you get a double whammy if the correct scores goes to as low as 2 for a the 2 goal score then you just back the correct score and there is a good chance you will get your money back.Its always best to do it when odds on favourite is away from home as there ismuch beeter chance of both teams scoring
Terrific content well presented, thanks. I'm going to experiment with this although reading in the comments of how people get restricted is a concern. If the bets are placed in a bookies premises with cash ( I have Betfred and Ladbrokes in my local high Street. BOG and I see that extra places are advertised in the window) and hedged accordingly with an exchange will that avoid restriction outcomes or do they act in the same way as their online presence?
Holy sh!t, great video. I'm a novice gambler who occasionally places football bets, but this sounds fantastic. I'm going to try this out over the coming weekend
Any way of laying off sports bets to ensure a profit ! , Take advantage of an inflated price or special/promotion bet , then placing a lay off bet that will ensure a profit, you can bet each way on some sports , motor racing for one, but not really aware of many specials or inflated prices been offered
You're right 99% of the time. I sometimes get on them around midnight the night before though and you get a half decent one. But yeah other bookies tend to be easier to get a good match.
What most punters don't see with e/w bets, is that the e/w odds of their selection is absorbed in the lay out (stake). Your odds of 20/1 equals a 4/1 e/w price, yet at a stake of £30 e/w, costing £60, would see a return of £150 including returned stake for the place, so the actual odds that you're getting for the place bet are 6/4, as the overall bet cost £60 to place.
Do I need a laptop to do this system or is it possible to just use a phone I know u said in past vid that a phone is way to slow for the exchange.??!?!!!!
This is a very good video. The only thing I'm struggling with is calculating the amounts to lay. However if this software works it out for you then definitely worth investing. Caan are the odds in the software live?
@@CaanBerryProTrader it is where you lay off all the the horses in the exchange to cover all the field but you do not need the whole balance to lay off all the horses as only 1 horse can win.
Do you have a strategy for the grand national promotion offered by a certain bookie, they refund half your stake on the national for each way bets up to £125?
Dude I'm totally expecting my bet365 account restricted soon, I've been abusing this strategy the last 2 days. 100 pun up so far, been using the ew refund to compound the stakes gradually...I'm sure the bastards will already know what I'm doing. Just gotta clarify I had a shit ton of refunds on ew bets as I put them on for my whole family, not everyone can do it
I don't understand it fully. When laying the bet the liability you pay is more than the win amount on the bookmakers bet unless you get the liability back? Very new to this. Just need to get my head around it better.
It's called hedging, the figures are to make sure the outcome is the same across all answers. Just like "cash-out" you get on a sportsbook. It's just that it's a manual version.
No plans at this time. Seems PR was a little too late to the party and as a free product many aren't so interested in supporting it etc. Real shame but it's got most of the other calculators on there (7 in total).
Hi Caan, wasn’t sure how best to get in contact but I’ve had some issues with foxy gaming group, withholding money after a withdrawal was made for kyc reasons. Any advice ?
Another brilliant video Caan. Do you mainly do this in shops? I would not do this as your only play with an online bookie or your account will be closed after a couple of hundred profit.
You'd be suprised how slow they are to restrict if you take those that are not arbs. In shops another way, especially via the automated terminals as the limits don't apply and no person to get suspicious when going back!
Great video! Explains it really well Do you have Any advice to avoid getting gubbed on these accounts? I've recently started these and the gubbings have been pretty bad, worried I'm going to lose all access if I carry on?
Honestly, there's not much you can do appart from get more accounts. The choices are pretty much; make a profit and find new accounts, or, lose and be allowed to carry on.
oddsmonkey was way off V's Will hill. on Exeter v Cheltenham... oddsmonkey price 1.7, actual willhill price 1.44. when i corrected it, every possibility was red ?
Hi, does this also work for more then one horse in a race? Lowers your liability, and surely increases your chances of your horse landed an extra place finish.
Yes if you can find more than one worth it, trouble is the bookies will factor in the fact there giving the extra place by lowering the odds in general making value hard to find
That RUclips plaque has had a quick turnout. Should I be expecting some improvement after a brasso detail clean? Asking for a back to lay trader friend 😆
Far better off trying to find a local bookie with a decent offer on lucky 15s. There was one nearby here that gave you 5 TIMES the odds if you only had one winner. My dad and I must have taken them for a couple grand over a few years. They knew they lost on it, but it got folk in the door to put their fivers on stupid footy accums. Loss leaders. Be a smart shopper instead of trying to beat literal armies of actuarial scientists who get paid wages keep these loopholes tight enough that any profits derived from them are negligible.
Yeh but ur working on 1 number 20-1 £30ew and going on staking 120 nearly 1st b4 u even start ok u get it bk but al that seems to much to mess about with ffs
The stakes are irrelivant, the risk was £1.29. Whole thing takes a few minutes to setup when you understand how it works. Appreciate it may look like a mare the first time around but it's really not.
@@CaanBerryProTrader yeh thanks I appreciate all the work u do I’ve gamble for 20+ years now half the time was horses then moved on 2 the casinos side was biggest mistake, I still do the horses and casinos but I keep it 2 a minimum now and just do it 4 fun I’ve seen so many peoples life’s ruined by gambling and nearly mine as u say in many videos and I no my self there only in it 4 a profit , for a casino slot for instance they have a 96% payout I’ve asked every bookmaker to answer what this is based on I.e £1 and ull get 96p bk £10 ull get £9.60 bk and so on up to a million and they have no answer that’s bcoZ it’s a figure based on nothing just a number to make u believe it’s gona be a decent payout and the reality is more like 4% to us and 96% to them , thanks for ur feedbk and keep hunting down all those Crookies as I call them 👍👍
I hate online abbreviations so much! Doesn't seem like that long ago I had to ask my brother what Lol meant it was years later before I was enlightened as to Pmsl and lmao! I know I'm gonna kick myself but EV and QL??-can you help me out please!? Anyone...? 🤣
Hi Caan, EP's have been my bread and butter for the past couple of years but as you know the stake restrictions come along fast. I toyed with the idea of doing EP's purely on the exchange, for example: If Matchbook are offering X2 place markets I.e two places and three places then I can back the three place market and Lay the two place market but odds are just so far apart between the two markets the QL's are massive. Any thoughts on this?
Ye that doesn't sound like it would work, especially when liquidity isn't great. Having the 0% comm can be quite a benefit too depending on what you do but they do have peramaters where they take it away if you're exploiting it.
Hi mate, I have a question.. do you have a telegram group or something similar where we can copy your bets directly ? thank you for the video too! Can’t wait for more content 💚🖤
Are you for real? how good do you need to be to pick a 20/1 long shot good luck with that . You would be lucky if 1 in 20 win trying to pick a 20/1 , stop lying to the public best is stay away from placing win bets place bets you cannot win just do lay betting on betfair
There are no lies here, I think maybe you haven't understood... it only needed to place 5th, 6th, 7th for the disproportionate win. 20/1 horses frequently finish there.
See a totally different way to beat closing line value for +EV odds here: ruclips.net/video/3cEdjH4TBh4/видео.html
Brilliant video mate 👏
Hey sir I've been text you on the comments section I'd like me to talk to you in whatsapp sir is it possible
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lol
It really is a great strategy. Although matches that close are infrequent at best unfortunately. Sometimes on a busy Saturday you can find 3 or 4, but during the week its rare to find any that are +EV.
I've always found it more profitable to dutch the race if you have enough accounts.
Bet365 seem to have decent matches quite regular.
How do you Dutch a race
Nice, as I've just been more than happy at the 14:20 at Aintree ending in a dead heat I'll be happy with that strategy.
Skybet had £10 back as cash, 2nd - 4th, so I placed bets for a max loss of just over £1.
They paid out half winnings on the horse I backed (favourite)
Betfair paid out on my lay bet against the favourite.
I then saw that the favourite had been demoted to 2nd
Skybet then said they'd credited the £10 back as cash anyway.
Not a lot of cash to you but it's a perfect outcome isn't it?
4:32 how does the bets on exchange will win if horse placed on extra places, if one of our lay bets are on place bets. so one of them should lose anyways no ?
I've been paying £15 a month for odds monkey for a while and want using it. Since I started using it 2 weeks ago I've made about £900 from 2 or 3 bets a day.
The EV is huge on extra places. Good job I've got plenty of accounts.
Nice :)
How do you get more accounts, I've been struggling with bans
@@goofin6360 well I use several bookies in my own name, and also help out a few friends shall we say.
@@goofin6360 just go round the shops
@@1112-g1x yes. Paddy power shops offer opportunities
New to the channel, great content! I’m really enjoying these videos
Great tutorial video Caan. I've started doing these literally as a direct result of watching this video, so it really is appreciated that you are willing to share such information for no personal gain. I am yet to have a 4th/5th place 'winner', however I know that the odds are stacked in my favour with the limited liabilities I'm managing to seek, and the potential rewards, so statistically has to turn around soon. Also, I like the fact that if I use a 'Best Odds Guaranteed' bookie, and the odds drift out after I've set things up, I could end up making more profit if it wins....possibly even more than if it got the extra place :)
I think you're just each waying a ''4th'' favourite, the point is- we get a free extra ''place'' making the ''Win and each way'' profitable, because of the extra place line, we then lay on the exchange. You literally cannot lose the bet.
appreciate the value from your channel
Well Caan,I'm glad you listened to me a while back🇮🇪
Appreciate all feedback mate, I do listen :)
Excellent video, I won't place a bet unless I can clearyl identify value and this strategy will go straight into my portfolio (posh way of saying methods)
Unreal video as always mate 🚀
Thank you 🙌
I do a variation on this without using the bookies. I check the extra place races on Saturdays then check the Betfair place odds before racing starts. If they significantly higher than a fifth of what the bookies are giving i back the place knowing the odds will drop and i can trade out.
Ye the place odds really tighten up close to the start. Only downside doing such things at the start is odds can move quick so you need to be really slick. That's where it's easiest to get a really efficient match.
Ive got a bet that i think is worth looking into you bet on the current correct score when it hits 2 goals so 1-1 2-0 or 0-2 you back it and then lay for half the price to get an evens bet say you backed at 4 layed at 2 on say 1-1 you then cover before game starts 2-1 to outsider 2-1 to favourite and 3-0 to outsider as anytime correct scores if someone scores theres a great chance you will have the right score as 0-3 to slightly odds on favourite wont be fancied that much as expect the outsider to score in the first 3 goals so then you would get the atcs however if it backs at 4 and you get it layed at 2 then if someone scores you get a double whammy if the correct scores goes to as low as 2 for a the 2 goal score then you just back the correct score and there is a good chance you will get your money back.Its always best to do it when odds on favourite is away from home as there ismuch beeter chance of both teams scoring
Terrific content well presented, thanks. I'm going to experiment with this although reading in the comments of how people get restricted is a concern. If the bets are placed in a bookies premises with cash ( I have Betfred and Ladbrokes in my local high Street. BOG and I see that extra places are advertised in the window) and hedged accordingly with an exchange will that avoid restriction outcomes or do they act in the same way as their online presence?
Great video! What is the EV here? If you did this same bet 100 times what would be the net expected return?
Holy sh!t, great video. I'm a novice gambler who occasionally places football bets, but this sounds fantastic. I'm going to try this out over the coming weekend
No problem, check out the footie playlist if thats what you like.
what do you do when there isn't enough liquidity, which often seems to be the case? Get there earlier? Later? When is the right time. weekends?
Any way of laying off sports bets to ensure a profit ! , Take advantage of an inflated price or special/promotion bet , then placing a lay off bet that will ensure a profit, you can bet each way on some sports , motor racing for one, but not really aware of many specials or inflated prices been offered
Sure laying off the risk is creating a kind of insurance!
Sky odds are sharp on these races to account for the extra places....you will have substantial QLs. Kinda key detail you left out
You're right 99% of the time.
I sometimes get on them around midnight the night before though and you get a half decent one.
But yeah other bookies tend to be easier to get a good match.
Great tip!
What most punters don't see with e/w bets, is that the e/w odds of their selection is absorbed in the lay out (stake). Your odds of 20/1 equals a 4/1 e/w price, yet at a stake of £30 e/w, costing £60, would see a return of £150 including returned stake for the place, so the actual odds that you're getting for the place bet are 6/4, as the overall bet cost £60 to place.
This is great fun up to the point where the stake restrictions hit and it kinda becomes a bit pointless with 50p ew bets :(
Ye that's the frustrating part but quite a long old list of firms doing the places etc.
How are yo still able to bet with the bookies if they limit or ban your account
Do I need a laptop to do this system or is it possible to just use a phone I know u said in past vid that a phone is way to slow for the exchange.??!?!!!!
just to clarify - you are betting on a horse to place a certain position to profit ?
BOOM got Hollie Doyle in 6th place at the 1535 at Newbury today.
Happy days :)
Back high and then lay low at your desired odds.
Lay low and then back high at your desired odds. That's the only to make money on sports gambling
This is a very good video. The only thing I'm struggling with is calculating the amounts to lay. However if this software works it out for you then definitely worth investing.
Caan are the odds in the software live?
Yes, give or take 20 seconds or so in some cases.
Hi mate just asking what that software is called at 5:30
Details in the description :)
a lot of match betters do shared liability don't know if you have heard of it.
No? Can you explain to me a bit more?
@@CaanBerryProTrader it is where you lay off all the the horses in the exchange to cover all the field but you do not need the whole balance to lay off all the horses as only 1 horse can win.
Do I need a laptop to do this system or is it possible to just use a phone I know u said in past vid that a phone is way to slow for the exchange.
Do you have a strategy for the grand national promotion offered by a certain bookie, they refund half your stake on the national for each way bets up to £125?
No doubt they will be going a huge amount of extra places...
Dude I'm totally expecting my bet365 account restricted soon, I've been abusing this strategy the last 2 days. 100 pun up so far, been using the ew refund to compound the stakes gradually...I'm sure the bastards will already know what I'm doing. Just gotta clarify I had a shit ton of refunds on ew bets as I put them on for my whole family, not everyone can do it
G8 video
Dont see the point laying on the exchanges because you have a winning bet with the bookies long term.
Just helps even out variance so you don't have to put up with a rollercoaster P/L.
@@CaanBerryProTrader You are a legend mate, Keep up the good work😎😎😎
I don't understand it fully. When laying the bet the liability you pay is more than the win amount on the bookmakers bet unless you get the liability back? Very new to this. Just need to get my head around it better.
It's called hedging, the figures are to make sure the outcome is the same across all answers. Just like "cash-out" you get on a sportsbook. It's just that it's a manual version.
Is there plans for profit rush to have a EP calculator. I think there is a market for an EP calc with a faster refresh.
No plans at this time. Seems PR was a little too late to the party and as a free product many aren't so interested in supporting it etc. Real shame but it's got most of the other calculators on there (7 in total).
Yes
Hi Caan, what software do you use to calculate how much to bet on the sports book and lay on the exchange?
You'll find a matched betting calculator on line
Sky Bet offer extra places on almost all races to avoid paying best price guarantee odds
Didn't know that :)
@@CaanBerryProTrader check it out just to confirm I’m correct but it’s so infuriating
Yes, I noticed that too.
Am a we bet confused on the ew bets because bet 365 is usually 1/5 the odds and lay on exchange is 1/4 the odds
The EW terms change depending on how many runners there are.
Do I need a laptop to do this system or is it possible to just use a phone I know u said in past vid that a phone is way to slow for the exchange.
Hi Caan, wasn’t sure how best to get in contact but I’ve had some issues with foxy gaming group, withholding money after a withdrawal was made for kyc reasons. Any advice ?
Yes, write to your MP complaining they are abusing regulation.
How do I sign up an get free offers
hi caan would you consider captioning the video. because i an chinese.
Captioning it in english? You know about the closed captions button right? Hit that!
Another brilliant video Caan.
Do you mainly do this in shops?
I would not do this as your only play with an online bookie or your account will be closed after a couple of hundred profit.
You'd be suprised how slow they are to restrict if you take those that are not arbs. In shops another way, especially via the automated terminals as the limits don't apply and no person to get suspicious when going back!
@@CaanBerryProTrader Thats really interesting dozens of shops to choose from, that's like legal robbery of the bookies.
Hey can you do a tutorial Video for this ?
Was this too complicated?
@@CaanBerryProTrader yes i am from germany and have some Problems to understand:(
Great video! Explains it really well
Do you have Any advice to avoid getting gubbed on these accounts? I've recently started these and the gubbings have been pretty bad, worried I'm going to lose all access if I carry on?
Honestly, there's not much you can do appart from get more accounts. The choices are pretty much; make a profit and find new accounts, or, lose and be allowed to carry on.
oddsmonkey was way off V's Will hill. on Exeter v Cheltenham... oddsmonkey price 1.7, actual willhill price 1.44. when i corrected it, every possibility was red ?
How do we get the software Caan , thanks liam
linked in the video description, you can do it manually but takes a lot longer and need to work the numbers out longhand.
Hi, does this also work for more then one horse in a race? Lowers your liability, and surely increases your chances of your horse landed an extra place finish.
Also wondering this.
Yes if you can find more than one worth it, trouble is the bookies will factor in the fact there giving the extra place by lowering the odds in general making value hard to find
Hi Mr berry do you give free tips on soccer ?
No tips don't work, see the video on this channel about it.
That RUclips plaque has had a quick turnout. Should I be expecting some improvement after a brasso detail clean? Asking for a back to lay trader friend 😆
HAHA! This comment is gold, although I doubt too many others will get it.
You will earn more by not laying at all in the long run, but good video 👍
Yes, less commission generated. However, more highs and lows in results .
which software are you using?
It's linked up in the description :)
What about football games betting
See the playlist on the channel page!!
Far better off trying to find a local bookie with a decent offer on lucky 15s. There was one nearby here that gave you 5 TIMES the odds if you only had one winner. My dad and I must have taken them for a couple grand over a few years. They knew they lost on it, but it got folk in the door to put their fivers on stupid footy accums. Loss leaders. Be a smart shopper instead of trying to beat literal armies of actuarial scientists who get paid wages keep these loopholes tight enough that any profits derived from them are negligible.
Local bookies = captive audience. Odds usually worse in-shop.
Could please provide betting tip for us per day
No, value doesnt work like that unfortunately.
Mate arent you forgetting to mention to lay a bet for £29 at 20/1 you need to put up £580 liability!
Liability was on screen? Wasn't actual liability really though was it, was covered.
You spelt "Involve Me" wrong. Otherwise fantastic video.
Yeh but ur working on 1 number 20-1 £30ew and going on staking 120 nearly 1st b4 u even start ok u get it bk but al that seems to much to mess about with ffs
The stakes are irrelivant, the risk was £1.29. Whole thing takes a few minutes to setup when you understand how it works. Appreciate it may look like a mare the first time around but it's really not.
@@CaanBerryProTrader yeh thanks I appreciate all the work u do I’ve gamble for 20+ years now half the time was horses then moved on 2 the casinos side was biggest mistake, I still do the horses and casinos but I keep it 2 a minimum now and just do it 4 fun I’ve seen so many peoples life’s ruined by gambling and nearly mine as u say in many videos and I no my self there only in it 4 a profit , for a casino slot for instance they have a 96% payout I’ve asked every bookmaker to answer what this is based on I.e £1 and ull get 96p bk £10 ull get £9.60 bk and so on up to a million and they have no answer that’s bcoZ it’s a figure based on nothing just a number to make u believe it’s gona be a decent payout and the reality is more like 4% to us and 96% to them , thanks for ur feedbk and keep hunting down all those Crookies as I call them 👍👍
This work for football? LIVERPOOl vs Man City match
You cant bet each way on a football match.
I hate online abbreviations so much! Doesn't seem like that long ago I had to ask my brother what Lol meant it was years later before I was enlightened as to Pmsl and lmao!
I know I'm gonna kick myself but EV and QL??-can you help me out please!? Anyone...? 🤣
TY.
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NP, thanks for watching!
Hi Caan, EP's have been my bread and butter for the past couple of years but as you know the stake restrictions come along fast.
I toyed with the idea of doing EP's purely on the exchange, for example:
If Matchbook are offering X2 place markets I.e two places and three places then I can back the three place market and Lay the two place market but odds are just so far apart between the two markets the QL's are massive. Any thoughts on this?
Ye that doesn't sound like it would work, especially when liquidity isn't great. Having the 0% comm can be quite a benefit too depending on what you do but they do have peramaters where they take it away if you're exploiting it.
Por favor alguien que traduzca en español
I wish I knew Spanish, I'd do that in a heartbeat.
Great video but I still know nothing about Positive EV 😭😂
Maybe a seperate video is in order?
Hi mate,
I have a question.. do you have a telegram group or something similar where we can copy your bets directly ?
thank you for the video too! Can’t wait for more content 💚🖤
No, I don't do telegram. Tipping is a problem, see some the other videos.
Can you give us free bet slips pleass🥺🥺
Could you send me bet slips??
No man thats not how it works, you'll never make progress like that!
Involve? Envolve?
Noted!
Hi
*involve
Seen! Bit late now though. :E
Involve
Doh! missed that.
Just a lot of talking, wait for real example 5 seconds 20£ typed thats it lol
Envolve me?
Noted :D
@@CaanBerryProTrader Ha!!
Are you for real? how good do you need to be to pick a 20/1 long shot good luck with that . You would be lucky if 1 in 20 win trying to pick a 20/1 , stop lying to the public best is stay away from placing win bets place bets you cannot win just do lay betting on betfair
There are no lies here, I think maybe you haven't understood... it only needed to place 5th, 6th, 7th for the disproportionate win. 20/1 horses frequently finish there.
@@CaanBerryProTrader okey fair enough I misunderstood but how would this apply to racing here in Australia?