The Drydock - Episode 118
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- Опубликовано: 12 июл 2024
- 00:00:00 - Intro
00:00:31 - Naval consription in the World Wars
00:07:27 - What was the Brussels Gazette, and why did British sailors hate it?
00:09:52 - French naval engineering school history
00:11:23 - Graf Zeppelin's actual uses?
00:17:07 - Why so few catamaran warships?
00:21:21 - MN Jean Bart
00:24:18 - Ships names and pronounciation
00:28:29 - How hard it would be for a WWII era cruiser or a battleship to fend of an air attack while engaged in surface combat with its peers?
00:32:27 - Why not more USS Olympia's?
00:35:51 - What are the best attributes of Russian/Soviet ships?
00:40:07 - HMS Centurion, radio controlled battleship
00:43:40 - Which warship of the pre-dreadnought era had the most eventful/colourful service history?
00:46:41 - Heavy vs High Velocity shells, why not both?
00:52:31 - Reliability of early ironclad's engines
00:58:09 - Cornelius Drebbel 17th century submarine
01:03:51 - What led to the Germans and French building such large destroyers?
01:10:46 - What was the magnitude of the pressure wave from a big gun firing (in psi or atmospheres)?
01:16:46 - Why nuclear battleship shells?
01:21:06 - How do the roles of the armored, battle, and heavy cruiser compare to each other?
01:27:09 - Ancient Egyptian circumnavigation of Africa?
01:31:07 - KGV main battery
01:35:19 - Enhancing British ship-building capacity
01:42:20 - Yamato hanger
01:43:51 - Why the super-cruisers?
01:47:43 - Commander Charles H. Lightoller
01:53:08 - How far does an armored belt extend below the waterline? What sort of effects to shell hits below the waterline cause?
01:58:04 - Do you have additional future battle report videos such as Battle of the Texel (1918) planned, COVID willing of course?
01:59:45 - How did the Kreigsmarine compare to the other navies of the world before and during WWII that weren't the RN, USN and the IJN?
02:06:58 - The weather gauge in an Age of Sail battle
02:14:00 - Small navies in WW2
02:20:51 - Horses at sea
02:27:46 - How fast in the 19th century was the propagation of naval ideas and technology between nations?
02:37:00 - Who was the most effective commander-in-chief/professional head of their respective navy during World War 2?
02:41:38 - Biggest cause of the demise of the battleship?
02:47:11 - Why so many holes in a ships sails?
02:50:39 - Royal Navy families/dynasties
02:55:36 - Best 'escalator clause' improved treaty battleship?
03:04:16 - RN 8" guns and the Geneva Naval Conference
03:08:59 - Near miss damage
03:14:47 - Magazine flooding valves
03:16:58 - Reactive vs Planned Strategy
03:27:45 - The heavy cruiser
03:33:40 - Knocking out an AA battery
03:38:17 - Germany Navy in the run-up to WW1
03:42:19 - Of the ships that went down at Scapa, which do you think would have made the best modernisation?
03:49:13 - Levels of force in the Adriatic?
03:56:06 - Has there ever been a time when a dreadnaught has achieved a broadside that hit their target with every shell?
03:59:24 - Lend-Lease vis the Black Sea?
04:02:03 - Titanic vs Iceberg
04:11:03 - Channel Admin
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Thank you for yet another drydock
What do you think of the addition of the dreadnought battleships in war thunder?
Old news but what did you feel regarding Mike Duncan of History Podcasting fame shouting out your tsushima video?
You you said in an episode of yours that the prince of weals survived a torpedo hit by the japones when it hited the protected parts,but whem the same torpedo hit the unprotected area the ship sank,why didan't navel engeniers extend the torpedo protection an the imprtant areas and extend it on some parts that are for good times ,is it do to the weight
How devastating are torpedoes? I heard they are very deadly but some ships survived many hits, and how much damage a torpedo could do to modern cruise liners??
"Don't stand in front of [a 16"/50 caliber gun]."
-Drach, 2020.
Drach : "If you stand in front of the gun the blast wave will get you."
Me : "I wonder whatever happened to the shell that's gonna turn me into red mist first."
@Bjorn the overly, excessively enslaved singaporean
Or without crewmen in front of the gun.
Another problem with transporting horses by ship is....A horse can't puke (vomit). If the weather is particularly bad and the horses get seasick, you can lose them. During the Napoleonic period, even a frigate could transport small numbers of horses by sacrificing a few guns to make stalls on the gun deck. Each stall had to be individually built to fit the specific horse in order to prevent lateral movement. This made sidestepping more difficult, thus preventing injuries to the hoof and lower leg. The gun deck could have more airflow, fresh air being important to the horse's health. Each horse could be withdrawn from the stall and walked around the gun deck. Horses need to move to allow bowel evacuation and to prevent Collick. The easiest way to unload horses from a Napoleonic era ship, not specifically designed to transport them, was to get them on deck and remove the side rail allowing them to jump over the side into the water, then swim to shore. Half the troopers needed to be onshore to round the horses up when they arrived, and the other half shipboard to winch the horses on deck, then drive them off the ship.
Thank you.
I wish there was video.
26:57 ... Devastation and Thunderer, ahh the period when the Royal Navy named ships like they were Star Destroyers. All hail the (British) Empire :'D
Some of those old names are some of the best ever placed onto a warship.
Don't forget HMS Hyacinth!
Not really meaning to lower the tone of the conversation, but there was a tendency among late-Victorian British lavatory porcelain manufacturers to steal some of that Thunder, as it were. I always laughed when as a medical student in the old UCH cruciform building, I visited the basement gents (the one at the front of the building, next to the "Special Clinic". The urinals were marked with a name in blue under the glaze: "Dreadnought"!
I think you have that backwards. Star Destroyers were named like they were Royal Navy ships of the line.
Rather pretentious of the Imperials, really. If you look at how they're used they're not capital ships. You get three on screen at once to intercept one freighter in ANH. That's a frigate (age of sail) or a light cruiser or a destroyer wearing cruiser shoes like a Tribal.
@@nathanbrown8680 The Tarkin Doctrine was very flawed.
From across the pond;
Drach,
I want to express my thanks, that at this point in these "interesting" times, for 4 hours (gone much to fast) your effort, enabled me to escape my stressfull present into our shared love of Naval history.
In my 67 years, you are quite simply the best.
My thoughts exactly
Me: *starts falling asleep*
RUclips: “The dry dock 118 has been posted”
Me: oh fun
Also me: *looks at length* looks like I’m not sleeping till the morning
Has the opposite effect for me. I fall asleep after about 15 minutes whenever I watch these videos. It means a long episode like this lasts me a whole week.
@@maladroit5376 I'm still nibbling on this one... I've watched Drydock 119 all the way through already! :P How many viewings to get to the center of a Drach Drydock-pop? Let's find out! (Nibble Nibble naw naw naw...)
Ah, so the Brussels Gazette is just the 19th century version of RT
😂
The pre-dreadnought „Schleswig-Holstein“ was called „Sophie-X“ according to her radio callsign. The destroyer „Schleswig-Holstein“ (DD182) inherited the nickname after WW2. In the early nineties towards the end of her career she was also called „Hedwig Holzbein“ (Hedwig with the wooden leg).
That's funny -- I like Hedwig Holzbein! That's the kind of culture that never makes it into history books.
I LOVE both of those!
Pretty sure due to Young Frankenstein Blücher is one of everyone's favorite ship names to mention
Neeeiiigh! (Thunderclap!)
I like Prinz Eugen
are you Abby Normal?
@@frankbarnwell____ Abby who?
Vhy, zank you, Doctor!
On names, just imagine being a war hardened sailor arriving at a POW camp meeting the senior officer “what happened to your boat?” “We were sunk by the Marigold, sir”
A thought regarding the high velocity vs. heavy shells:
Just a hunch, but I think the question may not have meant: "Why not produce and load both high velocity and heavy shells?"
But rather meant: "Why not make shells that are both relatively heavy, but also use enough propellant to make them high velocity?"
If that was indeed what the original question meant, then the answer is: Some Navies did. Particularly in Italian, Russian and French gun design. The Littorio's 15" guns for example fired shells that were a bit heavier than British 15" shells, but also had a higher muzzle velocity than German 15" shells.
The caveat with this approach being that it drastically increases barrel wear.
This is the way I parsed that question too, so you're not alone in that interpretation.
They also need thicker chambers on the guns, which means more weight, in the treaty era this would be a huge thing.
Richard Franks points out that, by the end of 1942, pretty much every CA deployed to the south Pacific had been sunk or heavily damaged, and 8" guns firing 3-4 rounds per minute just aren't as useful as 6" guns firing 8-10 rounds per minute in swatting destroyers at night.
My most amusing (and fitting) ship's name: the aircraft carrier HMCS Bonaventure, named after a bird sanctuary.
An accurate description of an aircraft carrier though you have to say
@@thehandoftheking3314 Naming a bird farm after a bird farm, most appropriate.
44:00 - YOU MADE IT! You actually pronounced her! Wohoo!
(Imagine confetti here. Budget cuts prevent a proper celebration. Blame the treasury.)
fitted for but not deployed with (insert item)
Very naval.
Just to add to the question about the polish navy, their navy actually had an expansion program that wasn't completed due to the German invasion, this included 2 cruisers and 12 destroyers, which would have been another added problem for
Whoever attacked too contend with.
Absolutely fantastic video as always Drach. It's amazing how you can constantly crank out extremely high quality videos, especially ones like this.
Also the idea of nuclear shells is something that reminds me of Halo or Warhammer 40k. When absolutely massive and complete destruction of a target is needed.
Alternate headline for Charles Lightoller: "Neptune repeatedly tries, fails to kill obstinate sailor."
Re AA gun crews during a surface action: Several years back I knew a gentleman who was part of the crew of a 40mm mount on USS Montpelier. I asked him where his battle station was during a surface action. He looked at me a little funny and said it was at his guns. I asked him if there was an occasion in which they would stay below decks behind armor. He told me that during his ship's surface actions he was on deck at his guns. He described it as loud - and from his place on the ship, he experienced the 5/38s as more deafening than the 6/47s.
That makes sense for a light cruiser, the muzzle concussion wouldn't be on the same scale as with battlewagons.
The 5" being louder also makes sense as they where nested along the sides with the majority of 40mm mounts
A great uncle of mine lost hearing in a ear from the blast a 5" 25 gun in the interwar years. He said the 14" were no where near as intense.
Don’t forget the stealthily under-rated Admiral Leahey who actually ran the war for USA in 1944-45. He out ranked King and Marshall while FDR was basically incapacitated after September 1944
Did anyone else imagine Tommy Lee Jones when talking about Big gun pressure waves?
"If I'm gonna be in harness for four hours, I hope the galley is sending 'round sandwiches and tea."
He will need an energy boost, add Irn Bru
A thought regarding the usefulness of Heavy Cruisers or 8" guns in general in cruiser fights:
I believe it was Dr. Clarke who made an interesting point that I find myself agreeing with very much, which is that the main advantage of the 8" cruiser over the 6" cruiser in a gunfight, the range, is only really a noticeable advantage once radar and general advancements to fire control direction are made in the late 30ies and early 40ies.
Adm. King was a ceaseless warrior who did a splendid job as CNO of the USN. He was also a drunk, womanizer and virulent Anglophobe. The last feature was the least helpful in his role since it made liaison with our most important ally much more difficult than necessary.
If King was stationed at Pearl...there would be a very good chance that he would have helped the Japanese take out Hong Kong & Singapore.
@@rpm1796 lulz, he certainly would have at least entertained the idea.
Well, King did not get a ship or ship class named for him. Nimitz did.
All the more reason to be thankful for Harold Stark.
Regarding overly long names? That leaves me thinking of the Italian light cruiser Luigi di Savoia Duca degli Abruzzi. Or just Abruzzi.
Normal Italian practice - ships typically were referred to by the family name or the title they bore.
AKA the ship whose name Drach wisely shortened during the Cape Matapan video to Duca degli Abruzzi. 😉 Her sister ship Giuseppe Garibaldi has it easier.
I think it was a delayed answer to Austro-Hungary. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMS_Kaiserin_und_K%C3%B6nigin_Maria_Theresia
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMS_Kronprinzessin_Erzherzogin_Stephanie
@@andreweremin3283 Believe it or not, Russians have them all beat with Admiral Flota Sovetskogo Soyuza Kuznetsov.
Minor correction George Vi was never the Prince of Wales, he was a royal duke until he succeeded his brother.
@Chris_Wooden_Eye We try hard enough as a community to stay the fuck out of politics unless it is expressly related to naval history. We don't need this here.
The Brussels Gazzette school of journalism is quite dominant today!
Particularly at the BBC.
@@calvingreene90 lol, no. For all it’s flaws the bbc is vastly better than trash like the Mail, Sun, Mirror etc. And that’s before you look at politically focussed youtubers, bloggers etc.
@@Badbunny666 Yeah, it's the bloggers and youtubers that are the problem, not the purveyors of fake polls, like like the BBC, right? Ah!
Schlesen and Schleswig-Holstein mentioned together is a "she sells seashells by the seashore" level tongue twister
wrt the question about armament alternatives for the KGVs. I have read that the RN was fundamentally dissatisfied with the 16" used on the Nelsons due to their high barrel wear, and were looking for a lower velocity, more durable gun. Why in the world the RN did not buy US 16"/45s is beyond me, other than the possibility that they simply were not available yet, when the KGVs were fitting out. From time to time, someone floats the idea of stripping the 15"/42s off of the R-class and installing them on the faster KGV hull, in place of the 14" I found some estimates, at 1915 prices for RN 13.5" guns and twin turrets. Assuming those prices would be close to those for a 15", I adjusted for inflation to 1937 prices. Dismounting the guns from the Rs, and installing them in new build triple turrets for the 5 KGVs would only save about 1M pounds, far short of the amount needed to pay for an additional KGV, and the RN loses the use of the Rs. Using four of the original twin turrets would require a longer hull, pushing displacement over the treaty limit, as we see with Vanguard, so that is a non-starter. Using three of the original twin turrets would fit in the 35,000T KGV hull, but the ship, with only 6 heavy guns, would be outgunned by any other battleship it would likely run into, and the total savings for the five KGVs would be a bit over 3M Pounds, still less than half the cost of building an additional KGV, and they lose the use of the Rs. Other than buying the US 16"/45, what the RN did was the best option.
I really really enjoy your work. The time and effort you pit in to these is reflected in the quality of them. Keep up the good work
This was an epic production, and that's just me sitting listening to it. Thank you for the massive effort required to produce and present it.
Regarding effects of gun blast. My father was part of the crew of an LC(M) = Landing Craft Mechanized, during D-Day. At some point during this time, his craft (along with others) were passing to the landward side of HMS Roberts (15" gun monitor) when the Roberts gave both barrels too a target on the normandy coastline. His craft was blown sideways in mid-air for several yards, causing much anger among him and his crewmates, plus the Canadian personel they were transporting at the time. He also recieved some ear damage on his left side which was permanent.
Noone was killed by blast or damage caused too the craft as such, but this was due too pure luck i think given the nature of the 'flying lesson'. Other than the battleship that flew in the air due to an atomic bomb test, has any other ship/boat had a 'flying lesson' I wonder. He did say that at the time the people on board HMS Roberts were given a 'right-old telling off' for opening fire when they did.
I'm starting to worry that a hypnotized assassin targeting Drach will have "the square-cube law" as their trigger phrase...
I told my gf it's a drinking game. Every time he says "SQL" she takes a drink, and I take a dip..
The great part of it is the longer the episode takes, the less I have to work to beat cheeks 🍹🦥
Thank you for another marathon Dry Dock. I honestly don't know how you manage to produce so much quality video's without burning out.
And a special Thank You to a not mentioned hero of these video's. So thank you Lady Drachinfel for putting up with his obsession.
The sheer irony in the British complaining about a salacious, lying tabloid is eye-watering
How to watch a 4 hour drydock.
1) Click the video.
2) Click the 'SHOW MORE' at the intro.
3) Read the questions.
You'll KNOW which ones will be hilarious.
repeat when necessary
In regards to subscription, some young men would enlist in the Navy before they got subscripted into the Army.
That's how the USAF and USN get their volunteers. A lot of young guys don't want to spend their time on the grinder.
@@WildBillCox13 Plus bunks, laundry service and the chance of icecream beats getting rained on in a hole.
@@voiceofraisin3778 Navy chow is the best.
Lightoller sounds like a real life version of Uncle Albert from Only Fools and Horses
Or Leonard of Quirm from Pratchett’s Discworld ‘verse.
Lightoller sounds like an early 20th century naval version of Forrest Gump. :)
Drach missed out Lightoller's "Riddle of the sands" exploits gathering intelligence on the coasts of Europe pre-WWII. His "Sundowner" still exists as a museum ship - look her up!
@@iansadler4309 Also..the order was"women and children first"..not"only"...If Lightroller would´ve acted like Murdoch, more people would´ve survived Titanics sinking.Ismay got blamed partially for the catastrophe,James Cameron dirtied Murdochs Name..and Lightroller didn´t get the blame he deserved
A point about working up a carrier force; Germany was paying close attention to the RN and USN all the while. You learn a lot by copying the older kids.
While such is true unless you can understand flaws and create a new paradigm you will always be behind the experienced force
But until you actually do it for yourself you don't really learn I'd say
I believe Iron Duke got a 3 hit salvo in Jutland. This might have been the most hits from a salvo that I know of at least at range.
Iron Duke only got one or two salvos more salvos before the Germans turned with their battle turn away.
I m thinking about the ship's cat that supposedly sat on the main guns of a battleship..... Deaf kitty
What a monstrous video... Let's watch all of it!
If you want to know what Battleship Britain thought it could design with 45,000 ton displacement then you should look at Design 16E/38. It displaced 48,500 tons had 12x16in guns in 4x triple turrets, with protection and machinery identical to the KGVs.
The KGVs were basically given protection against 16in guns, and the Lions (including the larger preliminary designs) had essentially identical belt and deck protection, but incorporated 1in splinter protection further inboard.
On Conscription into navies. One thing I have heard anecdotally around the Vietnam War is that noticeable number of people expecting to be conscripted volunteered for the USN or USAF (as well as those volunteering for the Army to improve their odds of not being a rifleman) before they were called up because they were safer and less likely to get stuck in a rice paddy or jungle for days on end.
I wouldn’t be surprised if that same thing existed in earlier wars and other countries.
I was friends with an man who was ATC at Khe Sanh during the siege. He received his “Draft Notice” for the army while in Air Force Basic. The Drill Sergeant called the platoon together & burned the Draft Notice in front of them. He still found it humorous 14 years later...
A ship with a similar carrer as USS Oregon is the Japanese ship Asahi wich take part in every major naval battle of the russo-japanese war, was use as escort during the japanese intervention in Russia in 1918, then she work as a training and submarine depot ship, a troop transport during the 2nd sino-japanese war and finally as a repair ship during WWII.
as a resident of Oregon....I love it when you talk about our ship. The Mast is in Waterfront Park in Portland.
Thanks for the MEGA Dry Dock!👍
Re: Horses at sea, 2:20:51: There is a short tale in the epilogue in the book Dead Wake, about the last voyage of the Lusitania. Captain Turner, captain of the Lusitania at the time of her sinking, was assigned to the old Cunard ocean liner Ultoonia, which had by 1915 been converted to a horse transport. The description is fascinating. Not only would I not have wanted to be a horse on board the Cunarder, I wouldn't have wanted to be a crewman.
As for the mistreatment of naval engineers, a prime example if Benjamin Isherwood of the USN. Isherwood managed to get the Merrimack opwerational, but various well-documented screwuos led to her career as the CSS Virginia instead. Later isherwood developed revolutionary types of naval propulsion, but he ran afoul of egomaniac David Dixon Porter and was banished to the west coast. He had an incredible career.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_F._Isherwood#Post-war_activities
I also recommend Edward Beach's description of his trials in" United States Navy: 200 Years."
Re: Nuclear shells. It's true, ABLE and BAKER did not sink the USS Nevada. But pretty much any crew that would have been on board would have been dead, so it is safe to say it would have *mission-killed* the battleship.
From what I understand is that the 16in nuclear shells where designed with time and shock fuzes. Where the Fuze wouldn't prime until the shock of firing was felt and then a timer would start this allowed the shell to be used in shore bombardment role by setting the time to airburst over the target but in a anti shiping role the shell would be timed to go off after the shell hit the enemy ship and broke through a few decks causing a nuclear explosion in side the ship.
@@jasonirwin4631 Oh that sounds like fun!
@@TheSchultinator 16 inch nuke shells guaranteed to make every enemy vessel you hit do their best HMS hood impressions.
Remember that this is very early on in the development of atomic weapons (and nuclear fission in general) so they didn't know very much about radiation effects. And of course the target ships in those early tests didn't have crews on board, so when the ships survived, it was a reasonable assumption THEN that the the crews would too.
3:16:58 Invicta put out a video last year looking at the U.S. interwar plans for the Pacific (Orange, Rainbow, etc.) and the impact of time that the eventual senior commanders spent wargaming at the US Naval War College. One of the main points the video makes is that it wasn't really that any one warplan or any one specific wargame laid out the exact scenario that the Navy would face or even intended to face. The real importance of those wargames was acquainting the future commanders with the general situations and obstacles they were likely to face in a Pacific campaign against Japan. That helped the Navy recognize some of the capabilities they would need to develop (i.e. underway replenishment and development of new island bases) and helped familiarize the future commanders with some of the things they were likely to encounter.
All in all, a lot like practice for most things. You don't necessarily practice the exact scenarios you see in the real thing, but you hope to practice enough fairly realistic scenarios that everyone has a good idea of what to expect and what to do in response.
Looks like i'll be playing my brand new Petropavlovsk for 4 hours this morning..... Kepp uup the good work Drach
4 hours..... bloody hell man!
Its this versus 2 movies ! ...
The difference between Royal Navy carrier operations in 1940 and 1943 is the Grumman Corporation.
I have work to do.
I now have 2 hours 6 minutes and 23 seconds _less_ to do said work.
2x, one of the, if not the best feature on youtube.
Thank you Drach, you legend!
I recall seeing a breakdown of conscript allocation for Germany during WW2 in Dirty Little Secrets of WW2. IIRC, it was about 85% Army, 6% Navy, and 9% Luftwaffe.
Jesus, Drach, i am still not finished watching the first 4 hour drydock... thank you tho, great stuff to watch/hear during tea.
4:12. OMG! I'll need at least a liter (litre?) of vodka for this. Distillery workers in Poland are grateful. ;-)
A couple of USN Nicknames: Bonny Dick (USS Bonhomme Richard); Can Opener (USS John F. Kennedy)
DD Tender Yellowstone became Yellow Rock in Charleston, SC, because she only went to sea once a year.
USS Chicken hawk... I mean Kitty hawk.
RN nickname for "Georges Leygues" - "George's Legs"
@@ShadrachVS1 also SLEP Hawk.
Hebrew Cruiser (USS Goldsborough).
Thank you.
President Roosevelt used to say that admiral King was so uptight that he shaved with a blowtorch.
The story I heard is that someone sent him a gag gift, a boxed blowtorch set labeled "shaving kit".
King also hated the British who are now the USA's eternal ally to the point of complete naval interchangeability on the Queen Elizabeths and a signed memorandum for interchangeability in the future on carriers, subs, and marines. King was wrong.
The first problem in a confined space is carbon dioxide buildup, not oxygen depletion. Carbon dioxide poisoning will put you down in 1% concentration or less, but oxygen depletion from 20 to 19% doesn't have nearly the same effect.
Yeah, you were talking about ship names & that they had the Flower Class. Can you imagine a ship Captain having to admit he was sank by "the Daisy" or "the Pansy". And they all pointed & laughed at him, poor guy. "Come on ya Pansy". But you've got no arms. "Tis but a flesh wound." Alright then, I'll have your legs. "Come back & fight, I'll bite your legs off!" For what it's worth, I hope you enjoyed it. Sir Robin ran away.
The spearhead class are nearly all Aluminum and are always in our shipyards here in Norfolk.Frames around doors and hatches are cracked and welded regularly.Engine spaces are tiny but they'll carry 2 tanks some trucks and two Huey Cobras on the cargo deck plus ammo etc.mRines sit in what look like movie theater chairs that will recline.Small arm racks are up front on the same deck.(2nd Deck) Few racks of books to read and the same deck hold cafeteria,one bed hospital,Toilets and berthing.It has a Helicopter deck with fire stations,Flags and captain's quarters plus civilian crew Quarters.
THE INTRO ROCKS
Every time I watch a Titanic video or movie, I can't help but hope that somehow the people in the show manage to do something different. Like as if they can change history so the ship is saved....Like Andrews telling Smith "Captain, I had another look at the drawings and just thought of how we can keep her afloat! If we just....."
Our Swedish king has been on a submarine when in office - almost guaranted. Every male prince in Sweden is doing time at one elite unit or another. Carl XV Gustaf trained as an attack diver, and he has been fairly hands on as the supreme commander in event of war. He has also been on the throne since 27 years old in 1973, so there has been ample time make a visit and short cruise on a submarine.
27:20 Names of purpose-built Japanese aircraft carriers translated, were all hardcore Tolkien stuff... "Great Phoenix"... "Happy Crane"... and a shitton of dragons in various colors of the female color chart... Completely changes the mood of the history of the early months of the Pacific War to read it with translated Japanese ship names...
How do you kill the time between breakfast and lunch?
Drachinifel: I got this....
I had to clean a horse barn one Summer. It was on dry land and had no sea sick horses. I was glad to leave after 3 days.....
A Catamaran Carrier takes a single torpedo and all the planes slide off into the sea. My solution? Outriggers! Weld a light cruiser to either side, P/S. Panamax be damned!
"What if we fill a battleship main gun with grape nuts instead of a regular shell?"
"Do you mean grape shot?"
"You heard what I said."
Re: the most effective naval commander in chief question. So what you're saying is that there's a reason why there's a Nimitz-class of nuclear aircraft carrier, and not a King-class?
King is an unfortunate surname if you want an American ship named after you.
@@nathanbrown8680 That and if the USS King ever made a port call in Portsmouth.....it would probably involve the officers insulting the British and so on......
King was mean nastySon... and openly said so proudly. He was the head of he Navy, but that meant being stuck in DC and the political swamp. Nimitz though commanded a theater and played a crucial role in Naval Operations. George Marshall was head of the Army but who remembers his WW 2 service? He is remembered for the Marshall Plan.
Eagle and Hermes hunting pirates? Now, what if the Royal Navy had aircraft carriers a couple centuries ago? What a fun thought! Until the fuel shortage hits.
In 1939 My grandad choose the Army because they'd let him finish his degree before being called up - 3 days after graduation he was in Officer training, joined his regiment in North Africa, fought across Sicily (at one point swiming 2 1/2 miles to avoid capture) then took part in D-Day.
00:43:40 How about the pre-dreadnought Retvizan? Fought in Russo-Japanese war for Russia - got torpedoed in the opening torpedo boat attack, fought the Japanese at Port Arthur and Yellow Sea, Retreated to Port Arthur, got sunk by the land-based heavy artillery of the Japanese Army, then got captured by the Japanese, raised, repaired, served them in WW1 and then also served them in their intervention in Siberia ironically against the red variety of their former owners but alongside their white variety.
If ships of that era other than pre-dreadnoughts themselves can be considered too - the Russian/Soviet armored cruiser Aurora.
Nicholas If-Jesus-Christ-Had-Not-Died-For-Thee-Thou-Hast-Been-Damned Barebone XD
Nick Barbon to his drinking buddies.
Wich for obviously reasons went by Nicholas Barebone
Was it Walpole?
Son of Praise-God Barbon/Barbone/Barebone
Judging by a reference you made in an episode of "The Bilge Pump", it would appear you are a Simpson's fan(like all decent people). Just for fun, could you review episode 19 of season 9("Homer joins the navy") in which homer and friends serve on a nuclear sub with predictable results? Could be a very fun April fools video done mockumentary style.
Comment on the strategic planning section. The general plans such as Plan Orange matter in Naval terms because of the long leads required to build a fleet. If you have no plans and simply build ships, you get the Kriegsmarine. If you have plans it means you are studying the potential enemy and have taken their capabilities and how you have to engage them into consideration in your designs and your equipment. The British armored carriers vs. the unarmored US, IJN, and even Ark Royal show this clearly. The designed operational ranges in warships is another critical element that comes from war planning which highlights the difference between most of the European navies and the US & IJN operational needs in the Pacific.
Interestingly, the "Show the Flag" cruising is also a way of testing your ideas and plans from a logistical planning perspective. One of the legacy myths about the "Great White Fleet" was it was Teddy Roosevelt being macho as many thought hiding the real lessons. But the operation was a true war scale test of what happens when you deploy your entire battle fleet in a forward deployment anywhere in the world. The effort was unique and after the disaster of the Russian fleet just a couple years earlier, it was a huge statement on what the US was learning and was really capable of. The US Navy learned enormous amounts of data on what they needed to support a fleet in the western pacific from California bases and it was central to Plan Orange. IJN became aware of the implications fairly quickly as well. The need for large fuel capacity and ability to supply it was a contributor in the US moving to fuel oil early since they had oil on the West coast but no coal. The standardization of ship design (Standard Class battle wagons) was driven in part by the need to service and repair the ships at remote areas and bases that were not dockyards. Standardized spare parts has a huge impact on ship availability for operations.
Concerning the question about the effectiveness of (not only) the Polish Navy - one thing you have to keep in mind is that throughout the interwar period Poland was building its military with a war with USSR in mind, which kinda made sense, considering their experiences in 1919-1920. As such, the light forces were supposed to cut-off the Soviet naval forces in the Baltic by a combination of mining and destroyers in kind of an "interceptor" role. Of course, the reality looked at those plans and threw them out of the window, but nevertheless, I think that context helps in understanding the position of the Polish Navy pre-WW2.
27:30 HMS Fifi, Mimi and Toutou
1:38:30 Simple solution. Just continue building ships without stops.
As for the blast effects of big guns, the experience of the South Dakota in her night action off Guadalcanal. 1 salvo from her aft 16" turret set her aircraft (sitting on a catapult on her stern) on fire while the next salvo blew it over the side. Also as she moved away her forward 16" guns fired as far aft as they could. I've seen pictures of her damage from that battle that shows 40mm gun mounts completely crushed by the blast of the her 16" guns.
Drach is obviously looking to Commission an artist to illustrate Admiral Rozhestvensky sinking the Kamchatka with Binoculars.
Scary to imagine napalm being a weapon used by planes in ww2 carrier strikes
Good, i need somthing to keep me from sleeping for the next 4 hours
3:35:40 - Strafing to suppress/disable guns : craft with multiple .50 and up guns , like P-47 Tbolt with 8x0.50, Whirlwind and later Spit models with 4x20mm, not to mention the Beaufighter or the solid nose A-26 (16 or so 0.50 BMG) does not need to be lucky to knock out AA guns (unless turreted ones).
Also, Mid-war the aircraft mounted rocket came into play. Then there is the effect of setting "anything on deck" afire, INCLUDING ready ammo.
Glad to see something on the incredible Centurion. She would make a dandy profile.
The USN family I can think of off hand would be the McCains. Two admirals and a captain who later was a US Senator. There may have been some others.
Good ships name, from slightly earlier then the usual periods: Ormen Långe, Ormen Korte. 2 Viking longboats owned by Olad Tryggvason - king of Norway around the year 1000 ad. The names litterarly means Long Snake and Short Snake. He is said to have named the larger ship - Ormen Långe - so that it would not have the same name as Ormen Korte, wish he took in battle.
four and a quarter hours!!! oh boy.
hits play quickly
To emphasize that point about comparative destructive power for guns on "supercruiser" or "cruiser killer" designs, the 8" guns on the US Baltimores and a few of the last treaty CAs fired a 335 lb superheavy AP shell with a bursting charge of about 5 lb. The Alaskas used a 12" gun firing a 1,140 lb AP shell with a bursting charge of about 17.4 lb, both using Explosive D filler. Rate of fire for those 8" guns wouldn't get significantly better until the Des Moines come along with their rapid fire 8" weapons.
Lindybeige but for ships? Hour long videos? Sign me up!
Nononono... He only makes 'five minute' videos. Says so right in the titles.
It just tricks you into thinking it is longer by not wasting summarizing the topic every minute like... Other history documentaries might be prone to doing.
President Carter, formerly Lieutenant James E Carter, USN, a 1946 graduate of the US Naval Academy, served aboard submarines USS Pomfret & USS Barracuda, and was training in Nuclear Power Operations for being posted to the USS Seawolf, when he had to take a hardship discharge after the death of his father.
The Misty Lagoon Airmen. Intense training of a tiny cadre of aces. That helps explain the earlier successes and later disasters.
I'm pretty sure an eye witness on Rodney stated he could recall seeing full nine gun salvoes reflecting off the water before the whole salvo crashes into Bismarck. Matapan who knows but I've seen accounts of warspite's first 6 gun salvo making 5 hits.
The Titanic debate never ends. I have seen some interesting stuff though that has raises some interesting issues with the ship's design. One of the more interesting issues is what actually sank the ship. The common assumption is she had a tear down the side, but that does not fit what is known. The description of the impact resembles a grounding poking holes (like splinters) more than a direct impact and it explains water entering the third boiler room via the bottom of the hull. The leak was in fact fairly slow except in the forward hold at the impact point. The other thing that is now clear from the modeling is the ship flooded in a unique way. They transferred nearly 700 tons of coal from the starboard bunkers to the port while fighting a bunker fire and the ship actually was listing to port at impact. The imbalance is why the ship stayed even keeled and did not roll on its starboard side. Most of the modeling I have seen now indicates she would have gone under in an hour but for the coal issue and few lifeboat would have been launched in time. The problem was the water tight bulkheads were too short and with a significant list the would have been bypassed along the hull fairly quickly. The liners were also not as stable as a warship with a list, but few ships sink even keeled anyway. The idea that ramming head on would have saved her arises from an accident in 1914 where a small ship rammed an iceberg and survived off New Foundland, but also from the Olympic's collision during the war. However neither had the momentum and Drach is right about the structural damage. Most likely the ship would have ruptured seams on both sides of the hull going back to the bridge area and the flooding would have caused the ship to roll to port fairly quickly with the coal now working against the ship. I doubt more than a handful of life boats would have been launched. You also have to wonder if the wireless wold have survived the impact. They were not that tough and a 23 knot impact might have rendered it useless. Would anyone have even known the ship was sinking? In that case it is likely none of the people getting into a boat had much chance at all. It was not uncommon for those early wireless units on warships to fail due to the gun shocks alone.
Titanic - I seem to remember Walter Lord, in his 1955 book "A Night to Remember", quoted some maritime engineers as saying the best thing they could have done was hold the helm straight ahead but reverse engines. It would have crushed about the first hundred feet, killing just about everyone in that distance and causing extensive and severe injuries throughout the rest of the complement and also severe damage to the rest of the ship, but they thought the ship should have been able to stay afloat at least until a larger rescue fleet (larger than just the older, 1/3 the size, Cunard liner Carpathia) could have arrived, possibly even being able to stay afloat until reaching New York, maybe even under its own power. Given where Titanic was at that point in the voyage New York would have been the safer destination than returning to Southampton or Belfast/Harland and Wolff shipyards. However, I don't know if Lord's sources had studied what would have happened during a higher speed collision (24-27 knot range) such as in the hypothetical suggested, but they theorized that fewer of Titanic's watertight compartments would have been compromised. Ironically, the White Star Line livestock ship Naronic was lost in roughly the same area in Feb 1893, possibly in a storm, possibly even due to collision with ice in a heavy winter storm. Only two empty lifeboats were recovered; some messages in bottles were discovered washed up on beaches mentioning people confirmed to be on Naronic and which mentioned a storm and a coillision, but as thees messages also bore names not confirmed to be on Naronic, White Star has dismissed them as hoaxes.
Perhaps as another simulated battle you could do something along the lines of the Regia Marina against the Mediterranean fleet before Taranto? Could decisively affect the war as if the British lost and would be very interesting to see how the Italians might have faired - I know very little about the state of their navy in detail.
ahh,I know Dai Cottamie, he lives down the road from me. by the way, reference near misses,I suppose the effects were made worse by the fact that the majority of warships had a lot of riveting in their hulls, so lots of minor leaks from sprung rivets.
Then there is the shock effect on internal fittings,it can really make a mess of things in ships from those eras.