We made Scorch tick like crazy by going all in on one boon. | Hades 2 Olympic Update
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So, scorch mechanics are surprisingly complicated. At a base, it ticks for 16 damage 5 times per second (even though the number visually makes it look otherwise). Any global damage boosts, like Origination or Shameless Attitude, increase this damage per tick without increasing the rate at which scorch is consumed (while having no effect on the amount of scorch applied by your moves). Air Quality can also set it to 30 per tick if it wasn't already higher, again without affecting the rate it is consumed. Pyro Technique increases the rate at which scorch is consumed in exchange for increasing the _base_ damage per second, meaning it's _multiplicative_ with other damage increases. So Shameless Attitude was actually a monstrous damage increase with this build.
when u say scorch is consumed...do you mean the orange bar on the enemy health or the white one😭 also what is the difference between the two? all I can tell is orange bar is the amount of scorch we are applying and the white is the damage that will be done to the once scorch completely ticks down
@@vaibhavdesai7001 The white bar is damage the enemy has recently taken (from any source). The orange bar is an estimate of how much damage the enemy would take from scorch if you were to immediately stop attacking it, although it ignores the effects of damage boosts and Aphrodite's duo Burning Desire and thus can easily underestimate your damage (but at the least, it never overestimates it, so an enemy with a full orange bar will eventually die unless it teleports and purges the scorch first).
When I say "scorch is consumed" I mean the orange number ticks down. Enemies stop taking scorch damage when the orange number hits 0. So if you apply scorch faster than you consume it, scorch will constantly tick, but the extra scorch you're applying isn't actually increasing your DPS. If you apply scorch slower than you consume it, all the scorch you're applying is directly translating into damage, and applying it more quickly would lead to even more damage. Burning Desire is the ultimate example of this: it sets scorch consumption to 0, so applying 1 point of scorch results in the full scorch damage rate forever, and applying any more scorch does quite literally nothing as long as the enemy stays weak.
I'd really like to get a grasp of the math of this game 'cause my brain craves optimized damage
@@Asturjgm Most of it is just "take the base damage the weapon does to Skelly with with no arcana cards, then add whatever % it says to that." So if something does 50 base damage, a 10% boost adds 5 damage, a 20% boost adds 10 damage, and having both adds 15 damage (boosts don't multiply with each other). This notably means that the combination of global damage boosts and new damage sources (like Blitz damage) tends to stack more favorably than %-based boons. The only things that actually work multiplicatively on final damage are critical hits, Hitch, and Romantic Spark. But increasing Power or base damage will also be an effective multiplicative boost.
@@Asturjgm same
To answer the chat question "Express route set!" means she has divined which doors to take to make it to the House of Hades the fastest, i.e. the "express route", i.e. the doors with numbers on them. Taking any other doors means deviating from that express route.
@@spiritbond8 it feels like there is a mechanic missing though. How does she set an express route, why can she do this? She is an heir of hades but Tartarus is now full of clockwork.
I wonder if in the final route an incantation will be necessary to unlock this. In EA they wanted us to beta test the chronology though.
@ How? With magic. Or by pulling it out of her arse. Doesn't matter, it's a gameplay choice.
this run had a lot of potential, because if you had gotten both the aphro+hestia duo and the aphro+posseidon boon you could actually have infinite scorch, becaus then you dont need to be constantly near the enemy
Island getaway + burning desire + glamor gain means one hit from scorch is fatal, eventually
Highly Flamable would help leading up to Burning Desire, the extra Scorch on initial application would let lower pom levels of Pyro tick once more before needing to reapply. Like a poor man's Burning Desire to get the run entitely Scorch sufficient during that middle period where the duo isnt up yet
I do wish it was easier to get the Pyro Technique boon. Scorch tends to have a feel like either it's timing out too early or it's stacking into the quad digits. I recall trying to go for the Phoenix Skin legendary to fill out the boon list, and it just made the whole run feel bad because I couldn't take things like Pyro Technique.
Other statuses in the game still function properly no matter what you do with them, while Scorch feels like it's a race to keep it useful. When all things are balanced, it's wonderful, but it's easy to lose that balance.
@@Fragmaster01 some of the boons need a rework I think. Like adding an extra 50 scorch to an enemy the first time the scorch curse is applied is so bad. A standard attack with scorch does 50 anyway.
This is prob the 50’th video I watched with you. Appreciate the content! Just realized that you aren’t saying “no comments” to chat. Instead saying “no commons” to Olympus.
The final confrontation seems like it might be an extra area or something similar to Styx or maybe a redux of Elphyra. You can get money urns in the fight with Prometheus, so it stands to reason you'll be using it... Plus the Entropy item implies a surface final boss that drops it.
The in-game map doesn't seem like it houses an extra area, but they might just add it in with the next update. I was assuming just a final boss room and no new area, but if not... Sick.
I'm still hoping Ares and Zagreus show up as pseudo adversaries.
Ares because war and blood, and nothing else. He will want to fight you JUST because you sow death across 7 biomes currently.
Zagreus because it would be one hell of a confrontation, for Chronos to trap you in the past (like he does now, randomly send you to asphodel) and trick Zagreus into believing you are an obstacle for his escape attempts.
Pretty sure the last boss on the surface is just gonna be Chronos again, but stronger / harder. At least this is what would make the most sense to me, he is supposed to be the big one villain in Hades 2. I guess when you go down you visit him in your old home, and when you go up you see him with the imprisoned fates at his final stage. Pretty sure he'd be angrier up top, since you've defeated him at least once in hell before fighting him in Olympus a second time.
Thoughts?
I doubt there is a bigger villain than Chronos in this story
Poseidon/aphro duo to make all enemies weak would be funny on top. Every enemy basically has perma DoT on
Iirc Melinoe has a certain amount of authority in Tartarus because she’s Hades’ daughter, so she can cause Tartarus (a moving maze designed by Haephestus) to align so that she can move along it on the quickest possible route to Hades’ house. Tho tbh I’m gleaning this from half-remembered views of Dan’s early runs. I still haven’t actually bought the game.
@Haelian : Make a video on torches mel aspect. Hera on attack, born gain + Blood line. Zeus for the skill where whenever you use magick it strikes ennemies !
Here's a video where we did this very recently: ruclips.net/video/ezKUoIJQcbA/видео.html
Wasnt it a bit troll to go heph instead of pose? 16:10? I mean you could try to get slippery slope couldnt you?
Just trying to learn, no disrespect but idk, really curious of that move.
The main purpose of this run was to get Pyro Technique as high as possible, so all other priorities get sidelined (looks like we had Origination already). I can't remember everything about this run at this point but I was probably avoiding pommable boons (like Slippery Slope) so that they would not appear as an option when picking up future poms.
Speaking of which... does "air fryer" build (the one with Zeus' infusion) still work?
It does but it's not as potent since they buffed Scorch, not exactly sure if it's worth when you get other global bonuses too, unsure of how it all interacts.
Why does he pause it before he resets
Third for me... Also i feel like this needed super nova.. ig you didnt wanna risk pomming
i cant find the dog anywhere above idk why?
That's because the dog is in Echo's chamber.
@ ahaaa thanks for help
Is fig leaf OP as it stands?
For speed runs it's probably mandatory.
Nah imo
I’ll take second
Il take third
Don't get why you refused Hera in the late shop in Erebus and Oceanus. Filling up your god pool would have been the smart choice to increase your chances of seeing Hestia/Aphro for the duo. You could also set it up so that you get a duo from Echo by getting it early at the last night and unaliving yourself 🧐
Yeah but then you don't get pom pom pom
More poms was more important because more poms = funny.
4th i suppose
Damn first comment :)
not the shameless sell🥲