Turns out Zeus' dash is an absolute monster. | Hades
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I knew the internet ruined me when Haelian said "I'm playing with one hand" 18:33
Literally went to the comments right as he said that...
Speaking of roguelikes, i had a similar experience with post-hades games but mostly only because i went into hades in the first place because i enjoyed the traditional roguelikes like CDDA, cogmind, qud, brogue etc and i heard a friend say "man you gotta check hades out it's great i know you like roguelikes" and at first i was like "ok sure but this isn't what i play", thing is hades is so well crafted and is polished to a sheen so fine that you just have to fall in love with it, a feeling that wasn't reciprocated by any other roguelite i played since except tiny rogues very recently so for a while i just went back to playing qud and CDDA. Hades is just a different breed of a game, it really is unmatched imo in what it does.
At this point, recommending a game because it's a roguelike is almost like recommending a resturant because they print their menus at the same place as that other restaurant that everybody likes.
LOL
Tunic is so insanely cool. Going in with zero spoilers was a mind-blowing experience
15:32 "I'm playing the game with one hand," says Haelian. Didn't know Hades was that kinda game, man haha. Especially considering the noises you were making on 28:33...
I remember that other Zeus dash video. I really loved this build myself. Was way crazier than I anticipated.
For some reason it's way more fun to watch you do a dash run than one yourself.
Also with the dio booms, you could've gone for premium vintage.
I've gotten into so many games thanks to your channel. It's hard to find another game like Hades, but you've introduced me to games like Wildfrost, Balatro, Backpack Hero, God of Weapons, Inscryption, Loop Hero, Rogue Legacy 2, the Gnorp Apologue, Undermine, and a handful of others. Each has its own charm.
Risk of Rain 2 is an amazing game as well. As you mentioned, roguelikes are vastly different, there is a ton of them, and only indie/AA devs make them, but that's because it allows the artistic freedom of the creators to flourish. They're all unique and enjoyable for different reasons, and while gameplay is a major factor, I think other small things matter just as much. Like I love the goofyness of Binding of Isaac, the characters in Hades, and the sheer sense of scale and abandonment in Risk of Rain 2. They make me feel things and want to experience more of the world they present to me. I can replay Minecraft dozens of times, but each time I fall into the same gameplay loop the minute I load into the world, needing to grind endlessly to make something cool.
Also I think with double-strike, pomming the dash also chains to that, and you're hitting the dash 2-3 times as often as like, jolted. so the relative damage buff for a pom is like... 5 to 1 to jolted, when you add it all up (and have double strike up past 50%)
Knight Vs Giant: The Broken Excalibur gave me Hades vibs while I was playing it. I wouldn’t say it’s the best but I had a blast playing it.
I believe it has a demo so it’s a game you can try if you have an itch for a similar game.
Do note it might not be for everyone.
I fall into the category of players who got into roguelikes because of hades. I had the same problem of finding others that really clicked, but one I did quite enjoy was dead cells.
I do feel like hades is a roguelite for people who don't normally love roguelikes in that it gives you a lot more control over how your run goes and is much more plot forward. With that in mind, two others I would suggest are "Children of Morta" and "Everspace."
To me Hades hits all the right spots and on top of that the fkn art and desing ugh!!! Cheffs kiss!! Feels super triple AAA for me how gorgeous it is. Everytime I play i get lost admiring the art and desing even with the most simple things. I just dont have words to describe how much I love this game.
Hades is really the only roguelike I've played, besides a bit of Rogue Legacy (which I played first), but it didn't really click with me. The thing is that I'm mostly a story gamer (my main genre is JRPGs), and I think Hades hooked me with the story elements, which grew into an appreciation for the gameplay.
Side note: my GOTY for 2023 was Octopath Traveler II. Incredible JRPG with an incredible soundtrack and a really fun battle system. Dunno if it would be your thing, but I love it
this was a killer run, and dash only zeus boon has even more unrealized potential too:
offense: demeter + zeus duo where jolted persists, hermes +3 dashes, posieden + aphro/dio for boon + pom enhancements, strong drink. or the ares boon to boost damage after revival. even the duo with ares for continuous revenge damage you were shooting for
defense: couple different weak boons, more revivals with athena (and lots more athena boons, really)
As a kid i read once that pokemon mystery dungeon was a roguelike, and that gave me a very wrong impression of what that term meant for years.
But i agree, it's a really broad genre because it's not really a genre as much as a type of gameplay loop; a roguelike can really be one of many different genres.
I really loved the discussion of other games here though. Obra Dinn and Tunic are amazing games. I think the Witness takes itself way too seriously, so no, it doesn't respect your time. I get really irritated by games that feel like they're bragging about how smart they are. (Fez also comes to mind.) But something like Tunic is smart without being uptight about it. Idk if that makes sense.
crazy build. Got very lucky too with early zues boons and rolls. I'm going to attempt this later :)
Tunic is absolutely goated
I just had the most insane run with demeters fists. Kinetic launcher, long knuckle, and Zeus boons for attack n special. Luckily I got all the nice upgrades like static charge, lightning bolt, double strike, etc. And holy smokes it was deadly
Tunic huh, i have it downloaded now you got me interested in it
You play a lot of metroidvanias Haelian? I watched your Ender Lilies (love that game btw) playthrough recently and it was pretty cool. Would be interested in seeing you doing more playthroughs of those if you have much else like it on youtube, though I suppose you have to be more particular with your youtube uploads compared to streams.
I do! Recently played The Last Faith, Cookie Cutter, Prince of Persia. Plan on playing the new Momodora soon.
And you're right, unfortunately long playthroughs don't work well with the YT algorithm... Some day I might find a way to work them in, like a vod channel or something.
That trap damage to Asterius was 1440, definitely shortened the fight by a few seconds
I was addicted to across the obelisk for awhile which is rogue like deck builder 🤷🏻♂️
I knew about hades for years but I only ever played RPGs and didnt think I would like the gam play, since most RPGs are turn-based and therefor less stressful, but I love it. I love that I can sit down do a run and be done. I dont need to think about game long consequences etc.
TRANSISTOR MENTION I love transistor so much omg it's such a good game
I haven't played bastion but I watched someone play it, and that seems fun too!! but GOD I love transistor, the soundtrack is so damn good. do you have any videos on transistor?
did not realize you had played outer wilds! Queuing up your playthrough
@ 1:30 I'm assuming you meant trash for the purposes of just doing damage yeah?
Because there's a pretty disgusting spear build that uses Artemis Strike & Dash with the triple dash attack hammer on Achilles spear and WOW does that hit hard.
Right now I'm trying to figure out what the best combination of Aphrodite Artemis & Dionysus is for super Crit; probably about the only time I would seriously consider his Dash ability.
*EDIT: I'm surprised you didn't bring up Darkest Dungeon or Dungeon of the Endless (or more recently DD2 and Endless Dungeon lol)
@10:00 dead cells would be a great follow up to hades
Didn't like it
That was shocking
Ugh
i think a good rouge-like after hades is cult of the lamb since there's some other aspects to the game other than combat.
Some games transcend their genre. Hades is definitely one of those games. It's not good because it's a roguelike, which is why people may struggle with other roguelikes I guess.
I only bought the game yesterday and havent made it past elysium, but one time got lucky with my boon selection and stoped using my weapon because my dash was killing enemies so fast (lightning and also something else I believe, like weakness or doom) sadly I got to an enemy (a gargoyle I think) who shoots rocks at you that cannot be deflected/broken which i didnt know and i kept getting petrified and eventually died.
I wonder if you could mod the game to have every dash boon on at once. It'd probably be easy, but I'd like to see how far you could push it.
You fire off three lightning bolts because of thunder dash/lightning reflexes/sea storm. Up to 6 with double strike.
People really undervalue Zeus dash in most runs, the damage is actually decent and the supplementary boons from Zeus are so busted
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I definitely convinced myself that I liked the roguelike genre after playing Hades and Slay The Spire. I haven’t found another one that I truly connected with. I have really tried to find another as well. I tried Rogue Legacy 2 and didn’t like it. I tried Risk of Rain 2 and Dead Cells and thought they were OK. I think that’s just a further testament to how good games like Spire and Hades are. I can legitimately play nothing but those two for hours and be content.
14:36. Yes, in a way, it kinda tricked me. I had dead souls on my back log, cause everyone was saying it was hype... but it was a rouge like, and that's not my jam. Then I played Hades, and this game is AWESOME! So I went back to dead souls, which was fun, but didn't give me the feels of Hades. Then I tried Rad, which gave the me the feels of my childhood growing up the 80s and 90s, but it was so sluggish compared to both of the prementioned games. Then I was super excited about have a nice death, like really excited! I'm just not sure if I like rouge like games, or just this one. Not gonna lie, can't wait to put another 300+ hours into Hades 2! Sometimes the game goes beyond the genre. It's just a great and satisfying game to play, especially if the story is there as well
I loved the rogue-like, Dungeon of the Endless. It wasn't until Hades that I liked another rogue-like, though Hades is rogue-lite (because: unockable powerups).
For farming sims, the only game i like just as much as stardew valley is rune factory mainly because it feels very different. It's really more of an RPG with farm sim mechanics as there's a plot and the battle mechanics are a bit more in depth and there's more of a plot.
Don't listen to anyone trashing the witness. That's a jaw-droppingly incredible puzzle game
I did a dash Zeus by accident and it was glorious
Have you played “Atomicrops” yet? It’s a bullet hell farming sim and it is absolutely addicting.
I have! Great little game.
Hi Haelian, i have a small question, is second wave just double strike for Poseidon boons or something different?
Kinda, knocking back an enemy only really accomplishes anything if they hit a wall though or you have the Razor Shoals boon which makes them take damage for distance traveled.
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Tunic mentioned :D
Hades tricked me into liking other rouge likes. Now that I understand the climb and grind more, the payoff is more rewarding. Also, Hades has given me confidence that I can have success with other games too. I was the last to beat Dad in my friend group, but the 2nd to beat 32 heat. That makes me feel like I can play and enjoy games like Elden Ring that I thought were simply too difficult for me
can i ask why you dont pick up gems for the extra coin? wouldnt that help the runs?
He has so much of it that he doesn't need it. 480,000+ gems is overkill. He has endgame inventory built up.
4% is 100% increase over 2%.
Talked about tons of other roguelikes in this video and Dead Cells never got mentioned 😞
First!
How do you unlock Gilgamesh? I have three other 4th aspects, but can't figure out how to get that one
I believe you have to fight the bull in his mini boss fight with the fist equipped. He'll say something about the fist and that should unlock it
Gotta use the fists while playing, and Asterius will give you a special line.
Anyone know how to unlock Arthur?
Spend five titans blood on fists and then talk to the bull as a mini boss with the fists equipped
Wouldn't aspect of Arthur be best for the extra health?
Nah you want the extra dash from Gilga.
25:22 hey I have a question for you Haelian. I thought you said in passed videos that Lighting can’t crit? So why bother picking up PP?
Did I miss remember or did you just get some info wrong in the past?
It was an old bug before the game official launch
@@adam_b2810 oh cool. Thanks
It was one of the very few things that got changed after 1.0, so if you watched videos from before 2021, I may have stated it.
@@Haelian ah that explains it. Thank you very much
I’d love to see a passion dash run after hearing so much about how awful it was. Maybe one of those modded where you only get poms after the first chamber
Regarding roguelikes, if you 3njoy hades style roguelites, I recomend "wizard of legens" . Enough customization and randomness to make many playthroughs enjoyable and decent challenges present. Also, coop!
I hear someone say they liked Stardew Valley, I recommend Rune Factory. It's the rules. Rune Factory 3 is just a solid game all around.
Why is splash dash considered so good? Just cause it pushes away and creates space? I am trying to learn the do's and dont's.
If you get the Poseidon secondary boons for wall splat damage you'll be clearing rooms in 5 seconds (or less than 2 seconds in Styx since the rooms are tiny)
It deals a LOT of damage for a dash boon, has a large AoE, and has great follow up boons from Poseidon like Breaking Wave and Razor Shoals.
I think i like rogue likes ? I played dead cells before hades love both
I loved Gunfire Reborn but if you put hours played next to Hades, there is no comparison for me.
If you liked Stardew valley but not enjoyed other farming sims, then Rune factory (if you haven't already tried it) might be worth checking out.
hades did get me into rogue likes but i did find i dont like every single one of them. for example binding of isaac is just too much for me. theres too many items and too many things to know so much so that iirc most people just have the wiki open to look up what the items do that they come across. but i also have found some games that i did enjoy like Slay the spire or (especially) Dead Cells
Can't believe I'm this early.
main story spoilers ahead
why haven't you forged a bond w mom yet? i've always wondered why she's the only one you havent maxed out.
Hades has a bug in it where once you hit a very high number of runs, the load times start to increase. People who play the game a lot tend to make new save files regularly, and I think this is a bug with that process or something. I haven't gotten there myself, so just relying on others' explanations here.
I have to replace my savefile regularly to keep load times down (mostly for speedrunning). The savefile I use (which is on speedrun dot com) doesn't have that bond for some reason.
Ever feel like running a turn-based game, something like P5R or FE/FF?
With your dexterity and reaction speed it would be kind of a shame if you started to focus on turn-based games I guess... So maybe I shouldn't encurage that 🫣
Just wondering because I kinda struggle with just playing fast action games, I'm so good at them either, and it sorta resets my mindset when I swap between turn-based and fast paced games. Kinda lets me get back in my game in either style of gameplay.
I the follow up question if the answer us no, is about what kind of games you play to unwind from the games you get serious about?
Sorry if I'm not making much sense, just a thought I had.
I already play lots of turn based games and show them here on the channel, like Balatro! I don't really play games in my spare time right now, I get my fill from streaming and recording.
I hear someone say they liked Stardew Valley, I recommend Rune Factory. It's the rules. Rune Factory 3 is just a solid game all around.