Just thought I'd share some of my experience with these lenses. I just received the 5 lens set 2 days ago and its already plagued with quality control issues. The aperture on my 100mm and 25mm squeal and make a moderate metal on metal rubbing sound. The 50mm's focus barrel is rubbing metal on metal when racking focus and is much louder than the other lenses in the set. The other lenses in the set are quieter, but I can still hear them focusing, which is not normal. I'm working with DZO to get these issues fixed now. Will update when I get it resolved. Hope its just an early manufacturing issue and it gets resolved. The image is quite amazing. Update DZO is working with me on getting them repaired. I will post another update after I get the lenses back. But honestly at this price point its pretty discouraging having to deal with shipping a lens set back and forth. I won't have the lenses for at least 1-2 weeks after just purchasing them. **Final Update: Finally got the lenses back after waiting over a month. They mostly resolved the issues, but the focus rings on some focal lengths still make some noise. It's not enough to warrant sending it back again, I can live with it, but I'm still a little disappointed they couldn't make them dead silent. This is what you get at this price point.
Thanks for this!! QC seems to be a problem w/ DZO. A few years ago the lens guy at B&H talked me out buying DZO glass bc there was too much play in the mounts. He definitely said it’s a case of “you get what you pay for”. Your comment was the last straw. I won’t risk buying their products just to save a few bucks. 🫡
@@StringerBell2002 No problem. I believe we should have all the information before making big decisions. That said I've heard about the quality issues too but I'm going to give them a shot and keep the lenses. These are supposed to be their flagship model and I'm sure they learned from all the defects in the past since they are still a fairly new company. I'll try to keep this post updated if any issues occur. But the fact is I'm willing to gamble a bit on the build quality to get the high quality image at a lower price...FOR NOW. We will see how DZO holds up, but so far I've got warranty for two years from the store I purchased from, and they took care of me when the initial issues came up. So...lets go find out!
These with Tokina Vistas, and Nisi Athenas, also super curious how all those stack up to high end cinema clean lenses like signiture primes and Zeiss Supremes, cooke S8
These sharpness results suggest that the Tokinas (and Sigmas, but hey have less coverage) smoke the DZO's (but for more than twice the price, admittedly)
@@DaCarnival I belive that Tokinas and Sigmas are the sharpest and more telecentric lens ever made, even more that Signature Primes (alson made or at least designed in Japan) Zeiss Supremes, etc.
I own 3 Vista Primes and I just saw that DZO made these higher end cine primes, but tbh the Tokina still take the cake to me. Of course they are more expensive, but DZO has always had a magenta shift and CA problems (you can see it in the close up test and sharpness test here too) that I disliked and turned me off from their lenses.
ALWAYS on point with the perfect balance of technical and aesthetic-without the obvious bias towards the traditional Eurocentric/Japanese imaging ideals. As excited as I am about these lenses, I am hoping to see someone test them with a spectrum of non-white skintones. We always hear about how warm and complimentary the skintones are...but we never see them tested with black folk. As a sports shooter, 99% of the subjects I work with are dark-skinned and sweating in the hot, tropical midday sun. There is no such thing as "highlight rolloff" - it's near-true black shadows and blazing white hotspots from the sweat. Would love to see some testing with these DZO products under the chai latte-to-café-espresso range of skintones under really challenging light conditions!!
Thanks for the review! For the price, this is a very good deal. It would be very interesting to see a comparison with the Nano Primes, SP3, Tokina Vista and maybe Supremes. You guys make really useful videos, thank you!
Stellar informative video as usual! For your future spherical lens comparison video if you could please test the IRIX Cine lens set that would be great!
What you didn't really go into - I guess because it is sort of subjective - is the three dimensional feel that they produce that reminds me of cooke lenses.
Re: big spherical roundup - I would like to see Irix added to the mix. Nobody ever talks about them while they seems super good price-performance wise and they are weather-sealed!
I’d like to see Irix in the comparison please, and Ironglass as a vintage reference. It’s hard to know what “character” and “clinical” means without demos.
Please include the Tokina Cinema Vista primes in your comprehensive lens comparison. I am about to purchase a set of cinema primes and would love to know how they compare to the DZO Arles lenses.
Could you possibly compare the Rokinon T1.5 Cine DS Lenses in the big test video? I know this is a lot cheaper than the others, but there are a lot of creators and filmmakers like me out there who have really small budgets and might look at lenses like these. Great, informative video as always!
There should be no competition other than the similar T stop. Even some photo lens sets have better matching cinema qualities than the Rokinon "Cine" set.
Most CVP reviews not only review sharpness, build, bokeh, etc. notably missing from this review was their overall impression in terms of character. No adjectives like impressive or fantastic, just a very clinical review - almost as if they don’t care for them much.
Great review! I would definitely love to see the Arles compared to the Nisi Athena Primes. Do any glass elements protrude out from the back of the Arles lenses when racking focus, similar to the Athena lenses?
For the comparison I'd love to see the Arles, Athenas, Nano Primes, SP3s and Tokina Vistas. Also maybe get an expensive lens on there like the Supreme Primes or Angénieux Optimo Primes, as sort of a benchmark lens
The flange overstand of rear element would be interesting - often a not given info. It's because of the usability with (ND-)Filter slot-in adapters for RF/Z/E/L .... mounts. For example the NiSi Athenas are way to long at the back side to use this kind of adapters.
The most interesting lens setes to compare these to would be the Nisi Athenas, Meike's 1,000£ ish set (I don't remember the name), Zeiss Nano Primes, Zeiss C.P.3, Cooke S.P.3, Sigma cine lenses. Aldo I'd love to see more smaple footage.
Would love to see the Dulens against them. Sure there are quiet a lot of differences, but might be interesting nontheless. One big and fast set and one smaller but slower set. How do they perform? :)
I recently decided to get my first cine lens set, officially, and I looked at the Athena’s, Vespids, Dulens APO Minis, and now, Arles, I’m leaning towards the Arles more… but the size and weight is a slight slight turn down compared to the other ones in my list. I want character in my image, the Athena’s are a bit “normal” from what I’ve seen so I would love a comparison between this lenses, awesome video as always guys !
On the internet everybody talks about the Vespids but what about Meike? They have a pretty full lineup that seems all good on paper but nobody talks about them. Can you include Meikes in the big test? Heck, if you wanted to throw Rokinon Cine DS lenses in the mix we can really see how things stack up. We are spoiled for choice these days but we have to remember options that have been available for a while, I mean, I even saw a recent Alexa LF lens test series where the Zeiss CP.2s looked all around better than many of the more recent options.
Been looking around at the images coming off of these and some of the bokeh seem to have a minor anamorphic characteristic… have you guys seen that ? A bit like Vantage T1 without the flare character. Did anyone see anything like that ?
At first I was like "One more cinema lens set? Nah I dont need it", but then I saw how it looks and I went "Wow thats cool!" But I still dont need it, cause I dont shoot cinema 🤣🤣🤣🤣
The image is nice and the fast aperture is for sure a bonus. Anyway, they are FAR from really high end cinema lenses in terms of feeling and "3D pop". Don't get me wrong, they're perfect for corporate videos and stuff like that but I can't see them in "proper" cinema set being used by DP with a certain taste
Can you test all of these sets against a true High End Cine set?
Show us how close they all come, yet what they still can't quite achieve.
Just thought I'd share some of my experience with these lenses. I just received the 5 lens set 2 days ago and its already plagued with quality control issues. The aperture on my 100mm and 25mm squeal and make a moderate metal on metal rubbing sound. The 50mm's focus barrel is rubbing metal on metal when racking focus and is much louder than the other lenses in the set. The other lenses in the set are quieter, but I can still hear them focusing, which is not normal.
I'm working with DZO to get these issues fixed now. Will update when I get it resolved. Hope its just an early manufacturing issue and it gets resolved. The image is quite amazing.
Update DZO is working with me on getting them repaired. I will post another update after I get the lenses back. But honestly at this price point its pretty discouraging having to deal with shipping a lens set back and forth. I won't have the lenses for at least 1-2 weeks after just purchasing them.
**Final Update: Finally got the lenses back after waiting over a month. They mostly resolved the issues, but the focus rings on some focal lengths still make some noise. It's not enough to warrant sending it back again, I can live with it, but I'm still a little disappointed they couldn't make them dead silent. This is what you get at this price point.
Very interesting. Thanks for sharing this.
So how’d it go?
@@jocblues the lenses are finally on the bench after a month of waiting. I'll update the post when I get them back.
Thanks for this!! QC seems to be a problem w/ DZO. A few years ago the lens guy at B&H talked me out buying DZO glass bc there was too much play in the mounts. He definitely said it’s a case of “you get what you pay for”.
Your comment was the last straw. I won’t risk buying their products just to save a few bucks. 🫡
@@StringerBell2002 No problem. I believe we should have all the information before making big decisions. That said I've heard about the quality issues too but I'm going to give them a shot and keep the lenses. These are supposed to be their flagship model and I'm sure they learned from all the defects in the past since they are still a fairly new company. I'll try to keep this post updated if any issues occur. But the fact is I'm willing to gamble a bit on the build quality to get the high quality image at a lower price...FOR NOW. We will see how DZO holds up, but so far I've got warranty for two years from the store I purchased from, and they took care of me when the initial issues came up. So...lets go find out!
Compare the DZO Arles, Tokina Vistas, Cooke S8 and the Zeiss Supreme Primes please
These with Tokina Vistas, and Nisi Athenas, also super curious how all those stack up to high end cinema clean lenses like signiture primes and Zeiss Supremes, cooke S8
I would add Sigmas too.
These sharpness results suggest that the Tokinas (and Sigmas, but hey have less coverage) smoke the DZO's (but for more than twice the price, admittedly)
@@DaCarnival I belive that Tokinas and Sigmas are the sharpest and more telecentric lens ever made, even more that Signature Primes (alson made or at least designed in Japan) Zeiss Supremes, etc.
I own 3 Vista Primes and I just saw that DZO made these higher end cine primes, but tbh the Tokina still take the cake to me. Of course they are more expensive, but DZO has always had a magenta shift and CA problems (you can see it in the close up test and sharpness test here too) that I disliked and turned me off from their lenses.
ALWAYS on point with the perfect balance of technical and aesthetic-without the obvious bias towards the traditional Eurocentric/Japanese imaging ideals.
As excited as I am about these lenses, I am hoping to see someone test them with a spectrum of non-white skintones. We always hear about how warm and complimentary the skintones are...but we never see them tested with black folk. As a sports shooter, 99% of the subjects I work with are dark-skinned and sweating in the hot, tropical midday sun. There is no such thing as "highlight rolloff" - it's near-true black shadows and blazing white hotspots from the sweat. Would love to see some testing with these DZO products under the chai latte-to-café-espresso range of skintones under really challenging light conditions!!
Would love to see the Tokina Vistas in the lens test along with the ones you already pictured
Agreed, definitely want to see them compared to Tokina Vista
Thanks for the review! For the price, this is a very good deal. It would be very interesting to see a comparison with the Nano Primes, SP3, Tokina Vista and maybe Supremes. You guys make really useful videos, thank you!
02:47 they are user changable tho imperial/ metric dont have to choose when buying
Stellar informative video as usual! For your future spherical lens comparison video if you could please test the IRIX Cine lens set that would be great!
This is the review I was waiting for!
I'm beyond hyped for this video!
Yes, please include Canon CN-E primes as they are my favorite primes and match perfectly with the Flex Zooms!
I love the look of this lens.
This was the Arles video I was waiting for! Thank you for the tests
Please include the Sigma High Speeds in the comparison.
Great Video as alwasys!
What you didn't really go into - I guess because it is sort of subjective - is the three dimensional feel that they produce that reminds me of cooke lenses.
I'd say it's not that subjective as it is difficult to measure scientifically 😶
@@malzyou just defined "subjective."
Please include IRIX lenses to your big test
Re: big spherical roundup - I would like to see Irix added to the mix. Nobody ever talks about them while they seems super good price-performance wise and they are weather-sealed!
I would love to see the IRIX Cine lenses in your showdown.
these are going to be killer for the price and size! cant wait to upgrade from my vespid set
Fantastic review. Thanks again CVP team. Really respect these fun videos
informative video thanks CVP
Excellent video as always. How do you think these compare to the NISI Athena Set?
They are not at the same level
@@刘志超-y9l yep but Speaking of Quality and price / size, NISI win
Athina is not even closer to this
Please include the Irix Cine lenses!
I’d like to see Irix in the comparison please, and Ironglass as a vintage reference.
It’s hard to know what “character” and “clinical” means without demos.
Would love to see a comparison of the Arles primes and the Tokina Vista Primes
Please include the Tokina Cinema Vista primes in your comprehensive lens comparison. I am about to purchase a set of cinema primes and would love to know how they compare to the DZO Arles lenses.
These lenses are beasts. Love my set. They remind me a bit of the Zeiss superspeed mkiis.
Could you possibly compare the Rokinon T1.5 Cine DS Lenses in the big test video? I know this is a lot cheaper than the others, but there are a lot of creators and filmmakers like me out there who have really small budgets and might look at lenses like these. Great, informative video as always!
There should be no competition other than the similar T stop. Even some photo lens sets have better matching cinema qualities than the Rokinon "Cine" set.
@@frankfeng2701 Yeah, maybe he could make a video comparing other very budget lenses to each other.
Most CVP reviews not only review sharpness, build, bokeh, etc. notably missing from this review was their overall impression in terms of character. No adjectives like impressive or fantastic, just a very clinical review - almost as if they don’t care for them much.
Great review! I would definitely love to see the Arles compared to the Nisi Athena Primes. Do any glass elements protrude out from the back of the Arles lenses when racking focus, similar to the Athena lenses?
For the comparison I'd love to see the Arles, Athenas, Nano Primes, SP3s and Tokina Vistas. Also maybe get an expensive lens on there like the Supreme Primes or Angénieux Optimo Primes, as sort of a benchmark lens
I just bought the IRIX Prod Set. That makes me wonder if I made the right decision lol
The flange overstand of rear element would be interesting - often a not given info. It's because of the usability with (ND-)Filter slot-in adapters for RF/Z/E/L .... mounts. For example the NiSi Athenas are way to long at the back side to use this kind of adapters.
I really want these
In what way does the price difference of ~€1000 show in comparison to other cine lenses priced €1'000 - 1'500. I find that hard to judge.
Aren’t these twice the price of the Athena’s?
Would love to see a comparison of these against the Athena, Nano Primes, and one other. Thanks
Yeah almost 2x the price, Athena is ~$6k for a set of 5 while Arles is ~$10k.
I would love to see how these compare to the Tokina Vista Primes
The most interesting lens setes to compare these to would be the Nisi Athenas, Meike's 1,000£ ish set (I don't remember the name), Zeiss Nano Primes, Zeiss C.P.3, Cooke S.P.3, Sigma cine lenses.
Aldo I'd love to see more smaple footage.
can't wait for the lens comparaison video. Please add OTUS :)
I would love to see new Laowa Argus Cine S35, MFT and FF test. I believe they could be the best cine lenses for the price.
Would love to see the Dulens against them. Sure there are quiet a lot of differences, but might be interesting nontheless. One big and fast set and one smaller but slower set. How do they perform? :)
I recently decided to get my first cine lens set, officially, and I looked at the Athena’s, Vespids, Dulens APO Minis, and now, Arles, I’m leaning towards the Arles more… but the size and weight is a slight slight turn down compared to the other ones in my list.
I want character in my image, the Athena’s are a bit “normal” from what I’ve seen so I would love a comparison between this lenses, awesome video as always guys !
You want character look at The DZO Vespids Retro addition. They de-tuned them to feel for like vintage lenses
would love to see Meike lenses thrown in that lens test as well.
Really would like to see a test against supreme primes. I had a set for testing and really liked them a lot.
Please add the Sigma Cine Primes to your comparison video. 🙏
How do they compare to a Milvus/Otus Set ? Thanks
Other than the speed , are they better performing than the Dulens mini primes
On the internet everybody talks about the Vespids but what about Meike? They have a pretty full lineup that seems all good on paper but nobody talks about them. Can you include Meikes in the big test? Heck, if you wanted to throw Rokinon Cine DS lenses in the mix we can really see how things stack up. We are spoiled for choice these days but we have to remember options that have been available for a while, I mean, I even saw a recent Alexa LF lens test series where the Zeiss CP.2s looked all around better than many of the more recent options.
Sigma Cine + Tokina Vista's please
The Sigma Cine's are incredibly detailed and clean wide open and would love to see them against these
NiSi, DZO or NanoPrimes... which one you will prefer for a indi feature film project? For a better theatrical performance...
Go SIGMA
@@SeanLiu-e2c Any feature film for reference?
Would you consider these sharp lens like IRIX, Sigma, or Zeiss?
How do these compare to the Zeiss outs lenses if I remember you guys said you loved those
Which will match the Catta Ace zooms better? Vespid or Arles?
Please do a review of XEEN Meisters
Been looking around at the images coming off of these and some of the bokeh seem to have a minor anamorphic characteristic… have you guys seen that ? A bit like Vantage T1 without the flare character. Did anyone see anything like that ?
DZO, plz give us a zoom version of these beauties
DZO Arles vs Nisi Athenas vs Irix vs Zeiss Suprime Primes
Where can I find the flare test video on vimeo?
Any high-end lens at this point in time without Advanced lens data for both camera and virtual production is just aimed at hobbyists
Deckow Corner
Killers of the budget 😢
I just dont like the image coming from theses lenses... (it's the third video i watch about it). Loving the Cooke SP3 but definitivly not theses
The Chinese make the SP3. 😂😂
@@realistfilms ?
@@Slau31 Did you have a question?
@@realistfilms sure, why did you say "Dzo makes the SP3 ?" I don't get it
@@Slau31 Because it is true,. You have been informed. I investigated and it's not common knowledge. They are nice, but hyped and over priced.
At first I was like "One more cinema lens set? Nah I dont need it", but then I saw how it looks and I went "Wow thats cool!" But I still dont need it, cause I dont shoot cinema 🤣🤣🤣🤣
The colors on DZO's are always bad
Lately I can only view videos in 360p max… lame!
The image is nice and the fast aperture is for sure a bonus. Anyway, they are FAR from really high end cinema lenses in terms of feeling and "3D pop". Don't get me wrong, they're perfect for corporate videos and stuff like that but I can't see them in "proper" cinema set being used by DP with a certain taste
Get good composition and lighting and you'll have "3d pop" on any lens..
A bit too sharp for my taste.