These Pilots Did The UNTHINKABLE | Mandala Airlines Flight 091
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This is the story of mandala air flight 091. On the 5th of september 2005 a boeing 737-200 was to fly from polonia international medan to soekarno international airport. This would be the second flight of the day for the crew. They had flown the plane in from soekarno hatta international airport. With all the paper work in order, the crew started the engines and pushed back from the gate and made their way towards runway 23 via taxiway alpha. Within minutes they were at he runway and the controllers were telling the controller was telling the crew what to do after they took off and it was the standard stuff, they had to fly the runway heading then turn left to 120 degrees then maintain 1500 feet. And then the 737 was ready to go down the runway. As the plane picked up speed onlookers noticed that this takeoff was not like other ones. The plane was starting to run out of runway and the nose hadnt even lifted off yet. Something was very wrong with this takeoff and the people who were watching on in horror knew that. The tail of the plane was now scraping aling the runway. The plane then lifted off but it wasnt out of the woods yet. It looked unstable the the plane was rolling from side to side. Flight 091 was fighting to stay airborne. But it was a losing battle. The left wing of the plane then crashed into a building and then the jet with 117 people onboard burst into flames. Only 17 people made it out alive. The tail of the plane had separated and the rest of the plane was in shambles and a fire had broken out, the crash site was something out of a post apocalyptic movie. The buildings were on fire, the plane was broken up into many pieces and there were fruits strewn all around the place. The plane had unfortunately taken the lives of 49 people on the ground and injured a further 26 more. So how did a jetliner just fail to take off? It's not like you just line up with the runway and gun it and pray that the plane takes off, pilots do a lot of meticulous calculations to make sure that the plane has enough velocity and runway to get airborne safely. But as soon as the crash had happened, local media was rife with theories on how this plane crashed. One of the main theories was that the engine had a failure and that's why the plane crashed. This theory had come out just days after the crash, but was this true? The investigators found the engines and then took them to the hangar to get them checked up, to see if they had failed on takeoff. The engines were broken, the lighter parts of the engines were destroyed, obliterated if you will but the investigators were interested in the blades of the engine. They looked at the tips of the blades and lo and behold the tips were broken, this was a characteristic of the blades being at a high RPM, when they looked at the second stage blades they saw the same thing all over again.the damage inside the engine was also consistent with damage that you would expect to see when the engine broke up when it was operating at a high power setting, so despite what the media was saying this plane did not crash due to an engine failure these enignes were at max power when the plane crashed and they were doing everything that they could to get this plane into the air before the runway ran out. The engines also did not show any signs of overheating. When the investigators got their hands on the CVR they were in for a shock, the CVR was basically useless in this case. The cockpit area microphone did not record much of the sounds from the cockpit. There was a hum that drowned out most of the noise from the cockpit. The noise that was recorded on the CVR lead the investigators to believe that the wiring in the CVR was faulty. But this meant that the investigators had no idea what was happening in the cockpit. The sound distortion was so bad that the investigators couldnt even hear the sound of the stickshakers going off in the cockpit and those usually are pretty loud and if anything was going to be picked up by the faulty cockpit area microphone that would be it. With the CVR of no use the investigators had to solve this crash with one arm tied behind their back. They then tested, the fuel at the airport to see if they had been contaminated in some way bad fuel can rob the plane of power sometimes. The tests came back negative, nothing was wrong wit 
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In 1987, Northwest Airlines 255, an MD-82, took off from Detroit and quickly crashed, with the same problem of the pilots not extending the flaps. 156 people were killed. This was highly publicized, and for a while more than a few passengers (including me) looked nervously so see if their planes' flaps were set. On one flight I was on the pilot announced: "And for you flap watchers, we have set the flaps to [xxx]."
On this video, the animation used showed the flaps were up, and so I thought initially that the punch line was revealed or the animation forgot a detail.
I have heard it blamed on mechanical failure of the flaps also.
@@brentstahl204 Heard a couple "flap watcher" announcements in the late 80's and early 90's, too. Always kind of liked that era for the way folks would poke a little fun at things like that... It brings a chuckle AND keeps their figurative head in the game. ;o)
As flap set is soo crucial, my suspicion is that along with the hum on the cdr, there may have been pilot headsets issues as well, orrrr, the hum was very loud within the cockpit, which would be a major distraction to both pilots, and we all know what may happen when any vehicle driver loses situational awareness?
Also, who was in the takeoff mode in the cockpit, who was in support? Were both pilot & co-pilot experience levels mentioned? I may have missed that, but it could have been an important note.
Within the first minutes, I was saying "flaps and slats!". Unfortunately, this is often a problem of skipping the step on the before take-off checklist. It's actually frightening how common this huge mistake is.
Indeed, when reading the title I was thinking flaps/slats. So unfortunate that it happened so often.
yes same, its a big big problem
I had the exact opposite error during my first solo. Atc rushed me and as a result I never reconfigured the c152 for departure. I took off with full flaps and carburetor heat engaged. At around 100ft I realized why it was climbing so poorly and promptly retracted All flaps. As I was sinking rapidly I noticed the carb heat, and that finally gave me the performance to stop the sinking until sufficient airspeed built.
The fascinating thing is how rare it is on a per cycle basis but it is still something that is responsible for a high percentage of crashes on takeoff.
Same
I still clearly recall that accident, because I was living near that airport at the time. This accident is the one of main reasons that Kualanamu International Airport is being built, and the older Polonia airport transformed to Soewondo Air Force Base (planned to move at Langkat Regency after another fatal accident involving C-130 in 2015). Local media also told us if this accident is caused by the smell of 2 tonnes durians that our North Sumatra Governor and ex Governor brings to Jakarta for routine meetup with others Governors and Mr. President. And finally, KNKT (our local safety committee) publishes that this resulted in a pilot error.
Haha. They don’t smell THAT bad.
@@ljre3397 exactly, i think just that smell still can't do anything with airplane navs or comms whatsoever.
They smell only after you eat them.
My father was in a TransBrasil flight once where they began the takeoff roll without flaps or slats and my father thought "wow, we're gonna takeoff without flaps. This plane must be very light". But no, a few seconds later they aborted the takeoff and even blew a tire while braking.
Spanair Flight 5022, Madrid 2008, featured on Air Crash Investigation. They took off without flaps because on the taxy out they had a minor tech issue so taxied back to the hangar. The captain asked for a clean up, including flaps up. The groundcrew pulled a CB for an unrelated system, but it actually disabled the flap warning system. On taxy out the captain asked to FO to continue the takeoff checks from earlier..... Which he did.... Except he was already past flaps/slats, so they never got deployed. The warning system was disabled and they took off clean. A lot of people were killed in that one.
My first thoughts were a no flap departure. This has happened quite a few times. It's almost always caused by poor cockpit management and/or an extremely dominating captain.
And/or time pressure, fatigued pilots, pilots with upset circadian rhythms, distractions in the cockpit and all kinds of other things. But it's almost always some kind of human-factors issue.
The 'wallowing' and loss of directional control after take-off is the giveaway.
Especially since the simulated video shows no flaps on take-off as a bit of a give-away really! I am surprised that was not the first thing checked given that it is so fundamental. I was yelling flaps as all the other investigations were listed.
In the Air Florida 90 crash that occurred on January 13 1982, the pilots failed to extend their flaps. I wonder if the Mandala pilots pulled the takeoff configuration warning circuit breakers? I know that pilots have accidentally or even purposefully pulled circuit breakers.
AF 90 crashed due to lack of engine anti ice and a resulting false EPR reading. Look it up.
Stuff like this happening was more commonplace in the past, especially for airlines based in countries that had less-strict rules and regulations about aviation safety culture. It is a horrible tragedy, but nowadays commercial aircraft across the globe are so advanced that it's pretty much near impossible to accidentally improperly configure them for takeoff, because of crashes like this there are now far more robust training systems for pilots and more apparent built in warnings for improper aircraft configuration. RIP to all who perished in this crash.
LoL, keep telling yourself that. Airlines have crashes every day, just because you don’t hear about it doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. Air travel isn’t safe and won’t be for a very long time.
Don’t believe me? Then go play in lightning, it’s as safe as air travel.
Nice work on keeping the flaps retracted in the simulation. I caught it immediately between your visuals and the similar Northwest incident in Detroit. I bet the TCWS was disabled due to annoyance of oversensitivity, which again is exactly what happened on the DTW NW flight.
Because they have VIP onboard . The pilot and co pilot might have been distracted .
They were busy greeting and talking to the VIP which were the current Governor and the previous governor of North Sumatra province .
The distractions of the VIPs onboard might cut into their preflight check.
We would never know due to the cockpit voice recorder .
Too bad .
Until today the perception of 2 tons durian caused the crash is still very ripe and strong among the people in Medan.
But all the Flap and slat were recovered and confirmed to be in retracted position
You're not giving me an ironclad response on this story??? I CANNOT GO ON LIKE THIS!!!
I guess we just can't always have the answers... oh the humanity!!
Great video 👍
I work in IT, and can tell you that, anything that isn't automated and is down to manual human intervention, no matter how important, will be be over looked at some time.
Maybe it wasn't a sterile cockpit, and conversations distracted the pilots. I can't imagine how 2 professional pilots could forget their flaps and slats! I really enjoy watching your channel! 😃
I took a guess at the start of this video and got it right. I guessed that they didn't set the aircraft up for take off.
nice one Jimmy Higgins
I really love this channel. This isn't the only time I saw a video where they took off without the proper take off configuration though. But I think that story was on a different channel. I am not a pilot but I follow aviation channels because I love to learn about things like this.
I remember reading an accident report for an incident where a single engine plane lost engine power during flight as a kid (one of my parents had a private license so I got to read the quarterly safety newsletter when they were done with it. They said it was the longest period of peace and quiet they ever got with me). It was referencing an incident where the spark cables hadn't been tightened down after maintenance. The conclusion was that the mechanic had been interrupted during the maintenance and forgotten to tighten down the spark cables. The reason given for this was that humans generally think three to five steps ahead of the current step. So if a person is interrupted during a checklist, there s a good chance that they will restart the list three to five steps beyond the step they had been working on unless they have a notation to show where they stopped.
Which is why when a checklist is interrupted you always start over.
Very good point about the perils of human nature.
So because pilots are incompetent and have no idea what they’re doing. Got it.
I’ve never skipped steps when returning to something after being distracted because I’m not stupid and arrogant enough to immediately resume something without taking a moment to remember what *exactly* I was last doing. Funny how stupidity and arrogance are common place amongst pilots and their defenders.
Plane after crashing: *is damaged*
The media: Coincidence? I think not!
Durian fruits are not small, they’re as big as your head! And they really smell awful, kind of like a combination of overripe bananas, an oil refinery, and sweaty gym shoes. But they’re considered delicious in some parts of the world. However, even in those areas there are places you aren’t allowed to take them (like in trains, hotels etc) because of the smell which spreads everywhere. I’ve tried eating durian a few times, it looks and tastes kind of like a strange soft stinky cheese.
If they’re halfway down the runway and notice the airplane refuses to take off, wouldn’t the flaps be the first thing to check?
I’m NOT a pilot, and I’d be tempted to go full power first (in case it’s a reduced power takeoff), then check flaps next.
I would like to know how long it takes to extend flaps and slats and if this can be done during a maximum power take-off roll?
I’m so happy that I found this channel! Absolutely love your content, my friend. I really appreciate the time, effort and passion that you put in each video. You’re great! 👊🏻✈️
I am mandala airlines co pilot a week before desaster strike .. i know the captain personally my self
That strong CVR hum could indicate some sort of electrical failure, which might have been an interesting avenue to explore. Still, circumstances does mostly look like pilots forgetting the flaps, and maybe the electrical issue interfered with the take-off configuration warning?
I remember flying on a Mandala that took off from CGK that had a jammed left aileron, which I could see from my window seat. The plane eventually returned back to its origin airport and we swapped planes.
Sir, your avatar perfectly matches that situation.
The same happened with flight lapa 3142 in Argentina many years ago.
Whisky Romeo Zulu 8s a movie about that accident en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whisky_Romeo_Zulu
as soon as he said "Something was very wrong with this takeoff" i knew it was the flaps & slats
It should also be said that durian smalls VERY bad. Must have been horrendous at the crash site
quite a few planes have crashed because the flaps weren't extended for take off, it annoys me how much this has happened
Medan is also in Indonesia. Your intro of the flight path makes it sound like the two cities are in different countries
"line up with the runway, gun it, pray that it takes off" lol, haha. Before I learned better, I thought they just watched the weather at home, went to the airplane, turned the ignition key, lined up with the runway....
In your spare time, lol.. could you cover LOT007 and LOT5055, those were aweful. I absolutely love all the research you put in your videos. Keep them coming my friend!!😀
Absolutely there are several instances of no flaps takeoffs. Most recent is Spanair at Madrid, Spanair Flight 5022, 20 August 2008, McDonnell Douglas MD-82. Also B-727 ?? IIRC where the TOWS was intentionally silenced by the crew as a nuisance.
Man I thought I knew all the accidents where the flaps were forgotten on take off but here's yet another one :-(. It's incredible that there have been that many accidents caused by that simple mistake
Spanair 5022 in Madrid Barajas... that was another one where pilots forgot to extend the flaps
After watching loads of these videos it seems that there has been quite a few accidents caused by pilots forgetting to set the flaps.
It would be useful to have a 'take off button' which is standard procedure to press before every take off and it checks that the plane is configured and sounds an alarm if not, rather than trying to automatically detect a take off.
Great idea. Take off ready button. Go for it patent it! Then sell it under license back to the airline manufacturers
Every takeoff is different. Depending on weather, payload etc. The plane needs different flap settings. With that said, the takeoff configuration warning does that, and it's automatic
Murphy was on this job. He scored a double hitter. No CVR, no flaps, no fly.
It’s almost a certainty there were some passengers who were familiar enough with flying to notice that the flaps were retracted. They may have realized they were about to die from the start of the takeoff roll, but were helpless to do anything about it!
This is an experience of a couple of months ago. I noticed that the slats and flaps weren’t extended as the plane was taxiing to the edge of the runway and I brought it to the attention of the steward. She kind of said that the cockpit crew knows all and when I insisted that she speak to the Captain, she checked with a FO who was sitting 3 rows behind me, who assured us that the plane was configured right. I was unconvinced and thankfully as the plane was some 100 m from the edge of the runway the flaps and slats were extended. I guess the alarm must have sounded and the captain corrected the configuration. Till date I can’t believe the FO or whosever it was sitting behind me actually thought it was all fine
Initially, I was convinced that it was miscalculated weight at first, knowing that miscalculated weight has caused aircraft tails to drag on the runway. I was surprised that it was a misconfiguration, since the videos I've seen on flights such as Northwest Airlines Flight 255, Spanair Flight 5022, and Lufthansa Flight 540 showed the planes taking off normally before disaster struck rather than the tail dragging on the ground due to the crew neglecting to properly set slats and flaps.
I was flying a Northwest 757 that afternoon that took off 3 planes ahead of Flt. 255. There were thunderstorms in all quadrants as the afternoon mass of flights pushed and got in line for departure. Then they changed the departure runway and 40-50 flights from DC-9's to 747's had to resequence to the other end. So we were trying to figure out how this was going to work while avoiding everyone, checking the weather on our departure path and doing our checklists. In my 27 years with NWA it was probably right up there in the 2 or 3 most stressful departures. This is not to excuse 255, checklists are there for a reason, but it's not unthinkable.
We have cemeteries full of pilots too smart to use checklists
Hello: thank you for the videos
Spanair Flight 5022 has also tried to take off without proper configuration.
I played some flight simulation games and I have felt the heaviness on the Down key when Flaps were not extended. It's like trying to Tow another plane with the plane. Can't imagine how they forgot this :( I hope they are already grouping the indicators by Basics, Essentials and remaining in a much quickly readable way.
Maybe the smell of the durian was interfering with their concentration.
That's why we have take off config. Actually it was a Lufthansa 747 that led to that....
I love the videos and am now mostly caught up!😆
I don't love the outcomes in these ones - even though it's already happened, the tale is so well told here that it always feels like reliving it - where, on other occasions that it is not apparent whether the flight makes it in one piece back on to the ground until much later, I always breathe a sigh of relief when the pilots manfully wrestle the beast into submission irrespective of the sex of the one at the controls!! It's like witnessing the whole heart-in-mouth drama in person. Unfortunately, unlike with the flight which I recall took off from Athens which literally took the ariels off the top of buildings, but survived, this one was less fortunate..
The fact the engines had been found to be working, I straight away thought "overweight" - or "forgot flaps" although "dodgy fuel" hadn't occurred to me - just goes to show that no matter how many episodes I watch, there's always something more to learn and consider. I do now remember hearing about microbes in fuel on this channel - and how a mix up with metric and imperial measurements when putting the anti-bac in the jet fuel caused an issue....haven't gone totally senile just yet!!
The stink of the "durian" is so powerful it numbed the pilots brain...I know as I have some in my fridge and it is overpowring....
My first thought about missing the flap setting is that the cockpit wasn't "sterile". They were maybe talking about other things: Activity plans for after arrival in the new city, upcoming family gathering, hot stewardesses, etc...
Short flights must be taxing. Having to go through all of the checklists and procedures multiple times per day. International pilots have it made.
Are there any records of conversations with ATC or anything else going on in the tower? Just wondering if that could be a potential alternate source of audio.
Another great video. Thank you.
With great satisfaction, I can say that I recognized that flaps werent used as soon as you first showed the take off in the simulator...
Some airplanes can take takeoff with no flaps. Normally it is done when the temperature and the airport elevation are high and there is enough runway to permit. I know the DC9 does it at times. I never flew the -9 but I recall a friend talking about zero flap over speed takeoffs out of Nairobi which is at around 5400’ elevation with a long 13,000’ runway. I flew both the MD11 and MD10. The MD11 never used zero flaps but the MD10 did. It was the MD10-10 was the one that normally did the zero flaps because the airplane could not make the second segment climb requirements at higher weights. A very long runway was required. Then about a year before I retired some genius decided to make All MD10 takeoffs minimum flaps which was zero on the MD10 in order to save fuel. The result was a zero stop margin in the event of an engine failure at V1. That procedure was quickly revised to a minimum flap of 5 degrees. There is no such thing as a no slat takeoff. If you see a wing with no slats the crew has forgotten the flaps/slats and I would start screaming if a takeoff was started. If you see no flaps or slats during taxi it my be normal. When we didn’t start all engines to save fuel on taxi we did not extend flaps until all engines were started.
The first thing I thought was "flaps"... I've watched too many of these.
Almost as soon as I started this video I went back to the beginning scenes. Nope, no slats or flaps.
I think they probably did extend the flaps but when it became obvious they werent lifting off maybe they put them back down in the hopes of stopping the plane before it hit something. I dont see how it would be possible for them to ignore the warning even if they missed checking it.
British European Airways Flight 548, Delta Air Lines Flight 1141, LAPA Flight 3142, Lufthansa Flight 540, Northwest Airlines Flight 255, Spanair Flight 5022, all crashed because of retracted flaps/slats. All in all some 500 people died because of pilots negligently skipping this basic step. My heart goes out to the victims and their loved ones.
As Indonesian, i remembered this one. At that time the press made huge commotion about this flight's durians cargo.
Past the point of no return, jet engines working fine, and it's not taking off. Would have thought the first thing they would have instinctively looked at was the position of the flaps.
If you do things out of the normal sequence or get interrupted while performing a checklist or a flow pattern for any reason, it's easy to start forgetting things. There are safeguards against this , but this crew may have not used them. Who knows??
Maybe the stench of the durians fogged the pilots' minds?
As the video states, the flaps are a very basic part of take off. I believe that’s why these things happen. The pilots basically have it in their heads “Well of course the flaps are extended.”
They seemed hurried and I bet that was a factor. Though they held short for a bit they were taking off fairly quickly.
factory?
@@K1OIK factor my bad auto correct is aggressive on swift keyboard.
Have there been any possible explanations on whether they might have disabled the alarm that goes off in case of a wrong takeoff configuration?
look at the Royal Air Maroc flapless take off at Frankfurt on RUclips. The airline reps later heard a "caution vortex" on the ATC tapes, and immediately tried to blame that. In reality that was for traffic a on a cross runway a mile behind where the 737 almost crashed on departure. The flaps were clearly not set.
It's ever more common for modern planes to have computerised checklists, how much additional work would it take for the system to physically forbid takeoff until the proper pre-takeoff checklists have been completed (for example by ignoring all throttle input greater than that needed for taxiing until the flaps/slats are configured)?
Since i have been watching various air crash investigations, I bet I have seen 10 crashes from no flaps extended. Where are the high tech warnings? How is this even possible?
In my flying career I used this phrase just ad I took the active runway.
FUEL, TRIM, AND FLAPS.
Known as The Last Minute Death Items
This accident is particularly egregious since it happened six years after LAPA 3142.
Either distraction or severe pilot exhaustion could lead to this
This crash must have been the most horrific smell ever. Durians smell like rotting flesh.
my mom should fly 1 hour after this plane that day, because of this crash,her plane delayed couple hours, and she says on the flight the passanger never stop praying and thank god she safe to land in jakarta
Haven't there been a few cases where pilots have pulled the takeoff config circuit breaker, because they are annoyed by false triggering, cause by things like exceeding a certain speed while taxiing?
Yes, I'm pretty sure that was believed to be the case in the Northwest 255 crash in Detroit in 1987. It's been many years since I've read the accident report though so I'm not positive on this.
How often is the condition/function of the CVR tested on aircraft?
I still need to make a Doug DeMuro “This”-compilation that speeds up and then ends in the *super* dramatic “This” that these videos.
You should consider doing the Diego Garcia C5 near LOC in 1998. Sematogravic illusion.
Boy! This is an alarm you cant silence usually.
If you have a very long runway I suppose it is possible to take off with the flaps retracted.
Oh wow
I know durians are bad, but that's a hard overreaction to prevent people from having to eat them.
Durians are incredibly tasty.
Why? because they’re human. Thank you for your awesome videos.
Haha - yeah, durian is really heavy and really stinky! I live in thailand now and have heard of trucks stolen because the fruit was more valuable than the truck, and the trucks here that haul it are 1/4 ton light duty trucks, usually sitting on their axles under the weight of it. Not relevant to the video, but it made me chuckle a little because that fruit is deceptively heavy,
I'd watched a video that, I believe, involved the flaps on take-off. I'm not a pilot, just watch a lot of these videos. If I'm remembering right, the plane had some maintenance done in which the control for the flaps had to be removed. When the controls were replaced, the maintenance person mistakenly put them back in upside down. So the pilots thought they were extending but were actually retracting. I believe that the video suggested that this led to the redesign of the controls so that this couldn't happen again.
I thought this was going to be a different video about the same event.
I know you are meticulous about your speaking voice which is the ONLY reason I'm mentioning this. I often hear you pronounce the word "anything" as "ahn-ah-thing". Most people pronounce it "ahn-ee-thing". Not being critical of your work at all. Just a note I thought you would like. I watch every vid you make and LOVE the channel. Thank you for the work you do and PLEASE do not take this as a negative.
They probably were not maintaining a sterile cockpit. They were distracted and forgot that crucial step.
As a current airline pilot, I ALWAYS check the flaps and slats are extended when flying as a passenger, no exception. In 28 years I have caught the flaps up twice on taxi out.
Oh my, poor people who would try to go through a playlist with such non descriptive video titles
Looking at the width and circumference of these jet engines in 2005, I wonder why it takes years and years to figure out if you make the intakes larger you get more power, lift, and fuel efficiency....seems to me to be simple engineering.
sometimes pilots "forget" to do the basics, even with the alarms sounding... LAPA flight 3142
Hint for the creator: There is a background noise. Maybe check your setup. Anyways I like your channel
Good msfs X grapich
As soon as I saw the aircraft from 00:51 onward it was obvious that leading edge slats were not deployed. Then by 1:01 it's obvious that the triple slotted trailing edge flaps that the old 737's had were similarly undeployed. God Bless those who passed away... my next question, without watching further yet than 1:01 is did the 737-200 have a take-off mis-configure warning horn at this time?
7:35 "[Setting the flaps for takeoff] is one of the first things they teach you in flight school."
Most pilots learn to fly in small airplanes, and for most small airplanes the recommended take off procedure is to use flaps only when taking off from short or grass runways. So, that's not actually true :-)
One of the first item on the checklist after engine start is extension of flaps and slats. The degrees of flap extension are calculated to deal with the weight of the aircraft, runway length, weather conditions, etc. In addition, flight recorders on older aircraft were the foil type and did not record many parameters as compared to the current digital recorders. I think the pilots did not follow their checklist for whatever reason and killed their passengers and innocent people on the ground.
Didn’t a DC-9 crash not so long ago at Madrid, having attempted to take off without flaps?
Having a browse around the cockpit panel and the centre console where the thrust flaps and spoilers are could save them. What were they looking at? It would stand out clearly. Flaps 15…No. Well set them up even when lined up for takeoff. Nobody had a last second quick browse on critical switches and levers. The end.
No flaps. They didn't run the checklists.
Insurance companies in 3rd world countries must be in a terrible state. I ask me how they can exists!?!
I miss one important thing in this video - what was the position of the flap setting handle in the cockpit? And as I'm rather sure the investigators looked at this part I tend to blame you, speaker, for not mentioning it in the video.
I know aviation is the focus here, but describing durian as “a spikey little fruit” falls way short 😂
forgot to extend the flaps ?DURING? the takeoff run?
My first thought was .. Could it be the flaps.. This has happend before.. I think Northwest B727 and a DC9 and some others.
I thought flight data recorders captured not only the state of the flight controls, but also all pilot inputs. No?
Depends on the age of the aircraft and if they are fly by wire or fly by cable.
being an older model of the 737, it is hard to tell what the fdr recorded