How A Broken Clock Left A Passenger Jet With Almost No Fuel | Virgin Atlantic 207

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    This is the story of virgin atlantic flight 207. On the 7th of february 2005 a virgin atlantic airbus a340 was making the flight from hong kong to london. On the ground at hong kong the pilots went over the weather at london. The weather at london wasnt the best so they needed to go over their alternate airports and the weather there. For this flight the alternate was prestwick scotland. With the weather stuff out of the way the three pilots settled in to set off. As the jet taxied to the runway a brief warning flashed on the electronic centralized aircraft monitor or the ECAM. on airbus jets the ECAM was the go to display to find out whats wrong with your plane? If you hear something blow up, chances are the ECAM will tell you exactly what blew up and how to combat the situation at hand. On this instance the error said “FCMC fault” but since the warning went away the crew decided to continue with the flight. After all, nothing was wrong with the plane right now. With that the plane lined up with the runway and took off at 4:21 pm. As the jet climbed away the fault came on again, the ECAM said FCMC2 fault. The captain did not want to trouble shoot the plane right now as they were in the midst of a climb through some very busy airspace, whatever was wrong with the plane could wait till they were at cruise altitude. Once at cruise the captain wanted to reset the computer to see if that would fix the error. Always remember if youre having trouble with your tech, turning it off and back on again is a viable troubleshooting technique, whether it's your $1000 iphone or a 250 million dollar quad engined passenger jet. Unfortunately for the captain this reset didn't really work as the error persisted. What was weird about this message is that there were no ecam actions to go with this error, as alluded to before, on airbus airplanes when you have an ecam error itll tell you the steps that you need to take to fix the problem. But that wasnt there in this case, and nothing else seemed to be wrong with the plane there were on warnings no cautions no messages. Nothing that would signal that there was anything wrong with this plane. So they decided to push onto london. As the plane made the long trek to london the pilots took turns to rest, staying on the flight deck for the entirety of the flight would violate flying hour limits and so these breaks are legally required. At about 3 am the captain returned to the flight deck from one of these rests as the plane was in dutch airspace and he took control of the plane from the first officer. The night was calm and as the plane cruised at 38000 feet it looked like this was another boring long haul flight. But then the captain noticed something strange, engine number one, the leftmost engine started to spool down. Shortly after that engine one lost all power and Engine one fail was lit up on the ECAM. The ECAM actions told the pilots to attempt a restart of engine number one but the captain knew that something was up and so he did not attempt a restart, not at this moment anyway. The crew immediately got to work trying to figure out what was wrong with the plane and they came to the shocking realization that inner tank 1 or the fuel tank that feeds engine number one was empty. This should not be happening, the one question on their mind was if they had a fuel leak onboard. If they had a fuel leak it would be a question of when all their engines would fail, not if. The pilots woke up the cruise first officer who was resting at the time and they got him to check the wings for any fuel that might be streaming out of the plane's wings but he could see nothing. To make sure that everyone was on the same page in case an emergency popped up the pilots got a senior cabin crew member into the cockpit to brief him on what was happening. As the pilots brought the cabin crew member upto speed the first officer pointed out something to the captain. Engine number 4 was starting to die, they watched on as the power generated by engine number 4 dropped before their very eyes, the captain immediately opened the cross feed valves, the cross feed valves basically allow you
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  • @MiniAirCrashInvestigation
    @MiniAirCrashInvestigation  Год назад +6

    How The PANDEMIC Almost Crashed A Passenger Jet : ruclips.net/video/QfCl7zFh51o/видео.html

  • @stoptheworldiwanttogetoff9923
    @stoptheworldiwanttogetoff9923 Год назад +207

    I was on this flight, it was 2005 not 2007. When the cabin crew announced the plane was going to make an emergency landing at Amsterdam, instead of people freaking out like in the film Airplane, it was so quiet, you could have heard a pin drop in the cabin in the last 15 minutes of the flight. The plan was to fix the A340, and fly on to LHR, but as time went by, the departure time was put back several times. We were at Amsterdam for around 10 hours before Virgin sent a 747-400 to pick us up and get us back to LHR.

    • @Vicus_of_Utrecht
      @Vicus_of_Utrecht Год назад +4

      aShUaLlY

    • @Terrorrai1
      @Terrorrai1 Год назад +6

      Could just have visited Amsterdam instead, 15 minutes by train

    • @thedave7760
      @thedave7760 Год назад +4

      As long as I can hear 2 or 3 of the 4 engines running I will remain calm even in massive turbulence and lightening.

    • @boahneelassmal
      @boahneelassmal Год назад +15

      @@thedave7760 you can remain calm even with 1 engine running....
      And if you have eric moody as a captain you can remain calm even with 0 engines running

    • @ChicagoMel23
      @ChicagoMel23 10 месяцев назад +1

      or Sully

  • @Trevor_Austin
    @Trevor_Austin Год назад +135

    I flew an Embraer for a few years. Every February we were met with weird and wonderful errors on the clock. Each and everyone was due to the clock. We saw that there were now as many 90 hours in a day and 100 minutes in an hour. We were told that we were about to run of fuel, couldn’t reach our destination and other rubbish. All of this was due to a “February” clock. The silly clock drove all the internal systems.

    • @TraceUK
      @TraceUK Год назад +9

      Ok that’s concerning 😮😮😮 Was it built by Ford?!

    • @Trevor_Austin
      @Trevor_Austin Год назад +13

      @@TraceUK Until you got used to it and before other systems were updated it was concerning. As a result of these updates just the clock’s display that now does stupid things.

    • @CaptHollister
      @CaptHollister Год назад +3

      Brazilian clocks can't handle cold weather ?

    • @juliemanarin4127
      @juliemanarin4127 Месяц назад

      Omg!

  • @Rodhern
    @Rodhern Год назад +15

    That is top quality roast, 00:35 "On Airbus jets, ...., if you hear something blow up, chances are the ECAM will tell ".

  • @cheaterman49
    @cheaterman49 Год назад +65

    Great episode as usual, particularly technical as you noted! For once I can contribute a tiny detail :-) for those unfamiliar with electronics, the "clock" referred to in the title isn't a clock meant to give time to humans, more like a crystal oscillator closer to what you'd find in a good old quartz watch ; these are meant to pace computer systems (including processors, although the ones in your computer and phone are a bit more complex), and definitely two systems meant to communicate with each other should ideally have synchronized clocks (or better yet, both depend on the same one) !

    • @patriciaramsey5294
      @patriciaramsey5294 Год назад +5

      THANK YOU for explaining the 'clock'. I could not figure that out.

    • @cheaterman49
      @cheaterman49 Год назад +2

      @@patriciaramsey5294 Really glad to hear my comment was useful!

    • @virginiaviola5097
      @virginiaviola5097 Год назад

      A little more complex than the crystal radio set my Grandfather helped me make some time back in the dark ages for sure..

    • @cheaterman49
      @cheaterman49 Год назад

      @@virginiaviola5097 Hahaha yes! Although I was referring to the fact that modern processors basically pace themselves, and in fact can vary their own frequency depending on demand & available power ; but back in the dinosaur age of the 6502's and the Z80's, this would have been fairly accurate!

    • @douggale5962
      @douggale5962 11 месяцев назад

      They use MEMS oscillators in aircraft, don't they? Crystal oscillators are adversely affected by forces, they go far out of specification when there are forces applied to them. Maybe I am thinking about missiles though, they have to withstand extreme forces.

  • @michaelosgood9876
    @michaelosgood9876 Год назад +35

    A340. Of the 377 built, not a single fatality! Just that Air France A340 300 that touched down half way down a soaken Canadian runway & over ran is the only hull loss, I believe. Miraculously, everyone on board survived that one.

    • @gargoyle7863
      @gargoyle7863 Год назад +8

      Having four engines and an excellent safety record the A340 is maybe THE most safe plane out there.

  • @HEDGE1011
    @HEDGE1011 Год назад +6

    Longtime Airbus pilot here and I’m confused why you think the ECAM item “FUEL T TK XFR FAULT” is a poor naming convention: it was written for qualified A-340 pilots, not for the general public. ECAM titles can physically take up no more than one line on the display with the action steps below that. You apparently don’t know that “XFR” is an abbreviation for “transfer” in many models of aircraft, and this would have not been misunderstood by the crew. If anyone is confused by the title of a procedure (which will always start with the relevant system name, i.e. “FUEL”), there’s a description in plain language as the very next line on the page.
    Second point: not all ECAM items have actions for the pilot to take. After finishing the ECAM message and referring to the QRH in those cases the procedure normally just says “Crew Awareness”, and it gets written up in the logbook. When time permits, company maintenance will normally be contacted to make sure the crew didn’t miss anything; you didn’t say if that was done in this case.
    There are some authorized resets for Airbus aircraft, but not having flown the 346 personally, I don’t know if this was one of them.
    To mitigate exactly this kind of issue my company mandates looking at the fuel page at every reporting point at a minimum to make sure that not only the quantity required is onboard, but that the distribution is also normal.

    • @tomstravels520
      @tomstravels520 Год назад

      Not sure which Airbus you fly but in the A320 family it has the circuit breaker panels behind and above the pilots. On the bigger planes it has the reset switches (like circuit breakers). Those are only above the pilot and may be reset if required. Anything not above the pilots should not be touched apparently is the policy

    • @HEDGE1011
      @HEDGE1011 Год назад +2

      @@tomstravels520 Are you addressing Virgin SOP or Airbus FCOM guidance? The norm is not to reset tripped CBs on any panel if not needed for safety of flight or specifically authorized. There are some CBs that are forbidden to be reset under any circumstances (e.g. wingtip brakes). There are also Airbus-specific system reset procedures, some of which involve CBs and some of which do not, that are authorized; some of them are only authorized on the ground, some are different on the ground and in flight. My point was that the crew performed a reset involving CBs, seemingly from memory (if I I followed the narration correctly) and it was a common occurrence in this specific fleet. What was not revealed was whether this was a reset specifically authorized by Airbus and Virgin.

    • @tomstravels520
      @tomstravels520 Год назад

      @@HEDGE1011 supposedly the reset buttons on the long haul fleet can be used. So for this to reset the FCMC they would pull the FCMC reset button then push back in which they seemingly did but not for long enough. It’s the same as doing a PRIM reset by turning off and on

  • @Eric_Hutton.1980
    @Eric_Hutton.1980 Год назад +71

    Interesting event. All air accidents from the ones where all survive, to the fatal ones, they all pave the way for improved airline safety. Usually.

  • @commerce-usa
    @commerce-usa Год назад +122

    Despite the redundancy in the automation, when a flight deck crew makes the decision that a manual operation should happen, the aircraft should never absolutely deny the command. Warning, sure. Reject, no.

    • @unitrader403
      @unitrader403 Год назад +30

      its not as simple as that. sure, it should not reject commands because the software thinks it is a bad idea, but it should clearly indicate/reject commands it is physically unable to perform. For a semi related example a Fuel Transfer Pump fails (as in gets physically seized up). if the Crew attempts a manual Fuel Transfer with that pump it should still show a clear rejection, not a Warning. because warning intuitively means to me "i dont think this is a good idea, but i will do it anyway", and the crew could think the fuel transfer works when in fact it does not. a clear rejection/failure is more appopriate here.

    • @Ps119
      @Ps119 Год назад +4

      Agree. Who is supposed to be in command, the pilot or the system that has a fault. Bad bad design.

    • @variantloki9478
      @variantloki9478 Год назад +7

      Totally. It's crazy there are so many micro events and controls and wouldn't allow the crew to do what they want even after diagnosing. Ground rule (or Air rule in this case) should be, you can have a million things automated, but the Pilots should be able to override anything and make things work as per their wish. One can say what if they are wrong, but definitely well trained and sane pilots will not go wrong on the fundamentals of flying, especially when there is an alarm that something is wrong in the plane, they will stay alert until too many things happen at once. But their timely action will prevent things from escalating to that.

    • @jfbeam
      @jfbeam Год назад +8

      Yes. And no. A lot of those "I'm sorry Dave" issues are there to stop pilots from making serious mistakes. Pilots are humans; humans make mistakes. The computer systems aren't supposed to be able to make those types of mistakes. [a great deal of testing is supposed happen to make sure they can't.] But similar to humans... computers are mechanical systems -- programmed by humans, and mechanical systems can break -- programs have bugs and edge cases. The thing is, they break far less often than humans make mistakes. Here, the problem was ultimately one of the humans... everyone got used to this failure, so no one ever bothered to actually fix it. "Oh yeah, it does that. Turn it off, count to 20, turn it back on."
      Put another way, how should it play out when the pilot(s) command the system to manually drain the inner tanks? That's going to lead to a flame-out. It's a violation of process and procedure, so the systems should NOT allow it. But what if the tank is leaking and you want to save that fuel? Well, there's a procedure for that, and you'll have to override (overrule) the computers - most likely by turning them off.

    • @darthkarl99
      @darthkarl99 Год назад +6

      The problem here is that the computer failures meant that even though the manual action was doing what they asked they couldn't tell that it was doing that. Thats a huge difference from the plane not actually doing what they asked.
      The real issue here is that there wasn't anything handling oversight of the fuel system computers in a way that would allow it to detect a fault in they're own error reporting capabilities, meaning they silently failed.

  • @cageordie
    @cageordie Год назад +21

    Hang on, if they were already in Dutch airspace they were under 300 miles from Heathrow, and no more than 90 from Amsterdam. At that point their biggest problem would be losing altitude fast enough to get stopped at Schiphol. But given the imminent lack of engines they made a good decision to not head out over the North Sea.

    • @oldmanc2
      @oldmanc2 Год назад +1

      No way were they in Dutch airspace. Approaching Dutch airspace maybe.

    • @99dndd
      @99dndd Год назад +1

      You’d rather circle down near an airport than fly over the sea to another, especially if you’re on ‘bingo fuel.’

    • @thedave7760
      @thedave7760 Год назад

      @@99dndd Ex RAF Manston is only about 15 mines from there.

  • @brunoais
    @brunoais Год назад +4

    Interesting event, awesome explanation, Mini Air Crash Investigation delivers again!

  • @josephpietrzak2976
    @josephpietrzak2976 Год назад +4

    Great video thank you!

  • @nowavenyone
    @nowavenyone Год назад +1

    Thanks for another great video

  • @FinnishLapphund
    @FinnishLapphund Год назад +15

    Love the sound level, one of few channels I feel doesn't worsen my tinnitus when listening with headphones. Nice video, but a little uncomfortable to hear about maintenance starting to view something as such a common problem, they expect pilots to just sort of work around it.

    • @bikeny
      @bikeny Год назад +7

      Another thing that's great about his videos is that he doesn't use any background music. We just get to hear his narration. I go bananas with other channels that think that background music is helpful or desired. It is absolutely not needed and it is extremely annoying. I end up with cc and muting the video.

    • @storytimewithunclekumaran5004
      @storytimewithunclekumaran5004 Год назад +3

      Actually the audio is low to industry standards..Its good audio but its low to normal.

    • @FinnishLapphund
      @FinnishLapphund Год назад +4

      @@storytimewithunclekumaran5004 Then I wish more channels, and especially commercials, decided to start using a lower audio.

    • @siennaskyy0539
      @siennaskyy0539 Год назад +2

      @@storytimewithunclekumaran5004 Agree. Audio is great however I have all of my 3 volumes turned way up high. I don't mind though.

    • @julieleimkuehler1409
      @julieleimkuehler1409 Год назад +1

      Same. My phone is a piece of crap but I still like the volume on this channel

  • @tessiepinkman
    @tessiepinkman Год назад +8

    You just keep getting better and better! I hadn't heard about this event before, and it was a truly fascinating (and really scary) event. Thank you for your dedication to giving us great content!

  • @ScottDLR
    @ScottDLR Год назад +1

    Very good explanation of a very sophisticated system.

  • @ryanfrisby7389
    @ryanfrisby7389 Год назад

    Fantastic video!😸

  • @dascandy
    @dascandy Год назад +7

    Turning it off and on again is literally part of the 787's SOP.

  • @torpedosoup128
    @torpedosoup128 Год назад +7

    Nice work, keep going like that^^

  • @brianfield58
    @brianfield58 Год назад

    Another great video, keep them coming. And keep the blue side up.🙂

  • @ams1749
    @ams1749 Год назад +8

    Next video title:-
    " How a single handshake crashed this plane."
    Love your videos ❤. Keep it up.

    • @senilyDeluxe
      @senilyDeluxe Год назад +1

      Lol if the two clocks deviate so badly, the software handshake needed to keep the two systems in sync fails. Or even better, they will synchronize one data packet off*. That has actually happened and almost crashed a plane.
      *) like let's say the format is X Y Z, the receiver expects X, but the sender is already at Y. Since all of these are complete data packets and being in the middle of a data packet when the start of a packet is expected will throw an out-of-sync error, necessitating both devices to do a sync handshake. But if the receiver expects a start of a data packet and that's what it's receiving, it didn't expect it to be the wrong packet.

  • @StevenBanks123
    @StevenBanks123 Год назад +1

    It’s good to listen to a scenario wherein the crew did not wait too long to get on the ground.

  • @tonyshield5368
    @tonyshield5368 Год назад +9

    Faults should not be normalised - whatever the industry. If Airbus received all of these fault instances they may have been able to run an analysis to highlight the problem - Virgin should have.

  • @gargoyle7863
    @gargoyle7863 Год назад +3

    The A340 has one of the best service records. Having four engines is also a safety bonus. This is a very save plane.

  • @cheeseburger3072
    @cheeseburger3072 Год назад +4

    Volume, turn up the volume I can barely hear you.👂👂. On another note I do enjoy your channel and I appreciate the research and time you put into videos.

  • @sarahmacintosh6449
    @sarahmacintosh6449 Год назад +2

    Another great video, thank you! (And I think your volume is perfect 😊)

  • @pankajprasad1186
    @pankajprasad1186 Год назад +4

    Please increase the volume of audio. Its quite impossible to hear without speakers

  • @fk319fk
    @fk319fk Год назад +4

    This is a common and difficult, problem with complex systems.
    You have a bunch of independent and redundant systems that are all supposed to work together and back up each other when there is a failure, as well as report when such issues happen.

  • @Rincypoopoo
    @Rincypoopoo Год назад +7

    Great film.Thanks. It is a bit like my pueblo in Spain. Visitors ask why no sign to the pool ? Because everyone knows where it is ! If EVERYONE knows the work around there is going to be trouble at some stage with someone who should know but does not. When a work around is popular and well known the root cause MUST be fixed.

  • @bobgreene2892
    @bobgreene2892 Год назад +4

    This recent RUclips item has an audio level problem-- almost inaudible, even when I am set to full volume. Today, at least two other of my RUclips selections have had the same low volume problem, but those may not be related to your situation.

    • @sachadee.6104
      @sachadee.6104 10 месяцев назад

      I had to put on headphones to be able to hear the audio loud enough to understand.

  • @masonaxenty4869
    @masonaxenty4869 Год назад +2

    The nice thing about the A340 is it’s just an extended A330 with extra engines. They both use the exact same wing design, but the A330 has the outer nacelles blanked off. As such, it would make sense for the plane to be able to fly with only two engines, though you might expect some trouble

    • @tomstravels520
      @tomstravels520 10 месяцев назад +1

      For the -200/-300 yes. The -500/-600 has a larger wing

  • @zlm001
    @zlm001 Год назад +1

    Love the old-school graphics.

  • @parrotraiser6541
    @parrotraiser6541 Год назад +14

    One would expect a fault that common to become topic of conversation in the associated pilot community. Also, a quick call to Operations about an odd situation might have been in orde. It might even provide something to do on a long flight like that.

  • @macaylacayton2915
    @macaylacayton2915 Год назад +6

    M.A.C.I:Remember if you're having trouble with your tech, turning it off and then back on is always a viable option. Me:Unless it risks crashing the plane right?

    • @davidwake631
      @davidwake631 Год назад +2

      Wasn't a good idea on Indonesia AirAsia Flight 8501.

  • @dcxplant
    @dcxplant Год назад +8

    Airbus engineers "a dual FCMC failure is inconceivable" The plane "hold my beer".

    • @K1OIK
      @K1OIK Год назад +1

      FCMC?

    • @blackduckfarmcanada
      @blackduckfarmcanada Год назад +1

      ​@@K1OIK listen to the video

    • @K1OIK
      @K1OIK Год назад

      @@blackduckfarmcanada Don't you watch video and listen to audio?

  • @davidjma7226
    @davidjma7226 Год назад +5

    Do the Airbus engineers still recommend this 'workaround' to the FCMC failing mid flight? Or has a more robust foolproof solution been put into place?

  • @davidhugill4668
    @davidhugill4668 Год назад +2

    Just needed a few more mississippi's between pulling the circuit breaker and pushing it back in.

  • @pfmcdermott1
    @pfmcdermott1 Год назад +5

    I thought the mentality of “this happens all the time, ignore it…” was kind of the opposite of the mentality for plane maintenance. I guess that’s what seems most odd to me. Or is that more common than I think?

  • @DelphineDofain
    @DelphineDofain Год назад +2

    That's one strong green light you have on your plane there

  • @pmfx65
    @pmfx65 Год назад +5

    Problems that occur frequently, even when they seem manageable should be escalated and the real reason what goes wrong should be determined.
    I had things like that in IT on medical diagnose equipment. You find a system totally messed up and when you ask more intensive you hear, that for months or even years it got a habit to do crazy workarounds by the without operators without understanding what they risk or mess up but informing service personal because ....

  • @curbyourshi1056
    @curbyourshi1056 Год назад +1

    13:08 Still was not sure? Just Joshing you, ace video as always. ❤❤❤

  • @Dorpmuller
    @Dorpmuller Год назад +2

    Great job! Being a techhead I followed along quite nicely. I appreciate your attention to detail, right down my alley. And real airplanes have control cables and no computers!

  • @FalcoGer
    @FalcoGer Год назад +2

    It's a great name for the checklist.
    Fuel Trim-Tank Transfer Fault. It's exactly what it says.
    I don't see the problem here.

  • @TimothyChapman
    @TimothyChapman Год назад +2

    "Yikes" is an understatement.

  • @mikekeenan8450
    @mikekeenan8450 Год назад +1

    Similar to and yet different from a case in 1983 involving Republic Airlines in the US. An MD-80 (back when it was still called the "DC-9 Super 80") lost power in both engines after the _crew_ neglected to configure the fuel system properly, leading to the wing tanks being emptied while the centre tank still had plenty of fuel. Fortunately they managed to slosh enough fuel around to relight one engine long enough to power the boost pumps, otherwise they'd have had to crash land in the middle of the night in unfamiliar territory.

    • @NiHaoMike64
      @NiHaoMike64 Год назад +1

      Odd the designers never thought there would be a reason to run the boost pumps from the APU.

  • @AlanTheBest97
    @AlanTheBest97 Год назад +5

    The volume in this episode is so low. You should look into it

  • @jimmymiller77
    @jimmymiller77 Год назад +13

    This Captain was a nuts. I am a atp with in excess of 18000 hours. Follow up NOW on any Ecam alerts NOW. Don't wait till you get into so much trouble.

    • @repatch43
      @repatch43 Год назад +2

      That's the part that I don't think was clear. Did the captain just ignore the FCMS faults because they were common? I'm assuming that was the thought process, in which case it's hard to fault just the captain.
      The fact that there was no direction on the ECAM is also puzzling, isn't that something that should be dealth with?

    • @blackduckfarmcanada
      @blackduckfarmcanada Год назад +5

      Well. If you have a fault message that promptly disappears... do you action the checklist for a now unannunciated fault?

    • @blackduckfarmcanada
      @blackduckfarmcanada Год назад +2

      I fly 737s so we don't have ECAMs, so I really don't know the procedure.

    • @repatch43
      @repatch43 Год назад

      @@blackduckfarmcanada It disappeared because they power cycled the computer. That's not part of a checklist, and honestly shouldn't have been regularly done. If it was part of the checklist, then I'd say that checklist needed updating given the root cause.

    • @ImperrfectStranger
      @ImperrfectStranger Год назад +1

      ECAM alerts are in levels. Some are only caution and advisory and don't require immediate action. Also make sure the actions you are taking won't make the situation worse. The fatal Concorde accident in Paris was partly a result of the Flight Engineer shutting down the engines too soon. Yes, they were getting a fire indication on multiple engines, but what's the point of shutting down multiple engines immediately if you can't even keep the aircraft in the air.
      Aviate, Navigate, etc...

  • @Makatea
    @Makatea Год назад +7

    If the problem is really as pervasive as mentioned, I'd expect a mandatory recall to replace the unreliable units before something like this happens again.
    Switching devices off and on again routinely is not the kind of reliabilty I expect from a modern passenger jet.

  • @amardave84
    @amardave84 Год назад

    I liked that you used A340-300 cartoon for this A340-600 video. I like those tiny engines on this huge plane.

    • @taridean
      @taridean Год назад +1

      Not forgetting it appeared to be at cruise altitude with the slats extended.

  • @stevencooke6451
    @stevencooke6451 Год назад +4

    I am not comfortable with maintenance just shrugging their shoulders and saying in effect: "I'm sure the pilots will just deal with it".

    • @ImperrfectStranger
      @ImperrfectStranger Год назад

      Was this in the final report or was it speculation on the part of the video author?

  • @Jet-Pack
    @Jet-Pack Год назад +2

    FUEL T TK XFR FAULT
    = fuel trim tank transfer fault
    but yeah, great naming xD

  • @dimitarivanov3817
    @dimitarivanov3817 Год назад +37

    To be honest there are a lot of technicalities which could have been troubleshooted. However the people who were responsible for that didn't investigate deeper enough. But when you have half of the cases failing with the same error at least I think that the normal thing to do would be to find the root cause.

    • @randommadness1021
      @randommadness1021 Год назад +4

      That sounds too smart 😂
      Would think that any problems with planes would be fixed before they were allowed to fly. Could have been much worse. They were lucky in this occasion.

    • @gnarthdarkanen7464
      @gnarthdarkanen7464 Год назад

      @@randommadness1021 It's not a matter of "smart"... To be sure something is "inherently fault free" you not only have to cover the initial "bugs" in the system, but the various flaws that are only ever going to "crop up" when it's been in service for years-on-end... SO unless you've got a clever way to fly a brand new airliner for more than a decade to "shake out all the bugs" WITHOUT clearance (and thereby no passengers or cargo allowed)... It's not going to happen.
      We like to think we're extra clever with Computer Modeling, but we can't program stresses we don't know about... AND that's a LOT of unknowns in a system as sophisticated as a commercial jetliner...
      SO... without even being about "pennies before people", we're stuck in an imperfect system, and it has to rely on succinct and prompt reporting and feedback, as well as engineers taking regular "hard looks" at patterns in the faults as if there might be a flaw that needs rectified... AND sometimes they "make the call" and are incorrect in the judgment that a "stop-gap" or "band-aid fix" should be well and good, but is simply buying them time they're not actively using...
      Hopefully, the engineers at Airbus have learned from this one, and won't be so reliant on "stop-gaps" and "band-aid fixes" in the future. That's about the best we're going to get. ;o)

    • @wafikiri_
      @wafikiri_ Год назад +2

      ​@@randommadness1021 Every plane has a list of classified possible failures. Whenever a combination of failures falls in certain classes of severity, the plane gets grounded. Otherwise it can fly. For instance, two unfixed minor failures won't stop a flight but four would.

    • @PRH123
      @PRH123 Год назад +1

      You would be surprised. Working for a major express carrier, the standard printed procedure for users for handheld scanning device faults (of which users were experiencing multiple per day) started with turning off / on, then step 2nif that didn't work was a so called warm reboot, step 3 if that didn't work was a full "cold" reboot, and step 3 was to reload the OS... Yes you would think finding the errors and fixing them would be the thing to do. But it's easier just to have the users rebooting all day.

    • @dimitarivanov3817
      @dimitarivanov3817 Год назад

      @@PRH123 Well if a restart helps then it's ok. But failing multiple times and a restart is just a temporary solution. Then I would want to find the root cause.

  • @goatsheep4545
    @goatsheep4545 Год назад +12

    vids are a little too quiet, but great work!

  • @rilmar2137
    @rilmar2137 Год назад +6

    Virgin aircraft versus Chad crew. They did a great job dealing with an unusual and confusing problem

  • @davemckansas4654
    @davemckansas4654 Год назад +3

    One more example where taking manual control away from a pilot and giving it to a F**king computer nearly killed a plane load of passengers.
    Automation is fine, but Manual control should never be removed from a pilot's control.

  • @brianedwards7142
    @brianedwards7142 10 месяцев назад

    "Captain we have a stabiliser malfunction!"
    "See that banged up corner of the console? Hit it with the flat of the fire axe, should fix it."

  • @adamwallace0929
    @adamwallace0929 Год назад +3

    1:50 .not correct, an ECAM caution without actions is not considered weird, its pretty common actually.
    what you are describing is a Level 1 ECAM caution.
    They carry no ECAM actions to complete and don't offer any aural alarm to us in the flight deck.
    They are purely displayed on the ECAM for giving us awareness of system degradation and me must then monitor the status of the fault (if possible)
    hope this helps
    * also FUEL TK XFR FAULT means fuel tank transfer fault 🤣standard aviation phraseology seen all over the world

  • @darrenwatsonz
    @darrenwatsonz Год назад +1

    I'm a fan but I find your audio super quiet compared to most on RUclips. Have you considered getting your final audio mastered a bit hotter?

  • @annehersey9895
    @annehersey9895 11 месяцев назад +3

    I don't understand why they would have a problem landing at Amsterdam. You said they were in Dutch airspace when they discovered the fuel problem. Netherlands is a VERY small country so it they would have been well under an hour from Amsterdam no matter where they were in the Netherlands. Heck, it can't be more than an hour's flight normally from Amsterdam to London. It's not like they were flying over Mongolia or something.

  • @LordSStorm
    @LordSStorm Год назад +2

    What was the corrective action taken?

  • @jimsmith556
    @jimsmith556 Год назад +8

    It wasn't mentioned but I would assume they would have contacted ground maintenance to loop them in on this. This fault situation needed to be elevated to the manufacturer/FAA long before this incident.

  • @calvinlomax9546
    @calvinlomax9546 Год назад +1

    It's frightening how many planes crash or have issues due to faulty maintenance or software issues

  • @justintimber5058
    @justintimber5058 Год назад +195

    Why is your voice always so quiet? Every time I chose your channel, that has very interesting content, I have to push up the volume on my loudspeakers.

  • @jaycee330
    @jaycee330 2 месяца назад

    6:09 The ECAM only has space for so many characters per line, so abbreviations are needed. But even as a layman, I can make out "FUEL TRANSFER TANK TRANSFER FAULT" from that.

  • @Sadertheoriginal
    @Sadertheoriginal Год назад +3

    Please increase recording volume. With my 5w speaker cant make the words

  • @sherrim1492
    @sherrim1492 Год назад +1

    We don’t take problems with aircraft seriously enough. A plane is not a car that can be pulled over.

  • @crazyunclebob6901
    @crazyunclebob6901 Год назад +1

    Volume all the way up and I can't hear you. Please recheck your rendering settings. Volume should be about twice as loud.

  • @advorak8529
    @advorak8529 Год назад

    I find that resetting/rebooting is a great way to clear temporary/spike faults but that fix can also hide repeating problems that ought to be traced down and fixed.
    I also find this works real well with humans, but the reboot takes 9 months plus the age of the human and someone is bound to notice “hey, that person is suddenly 30 years younger and is completely different …”, so I cannot recommend it unless you were not going to do the boot part of reboot anyway … and that then leads to murder charges and is not advisable.

  • @boristheengineer5160
    @boristheengineer5160 Год назад

    I hope there's some regulation in place requiring reporting of "soft" fault events so that "try turning it off and on again" doesn't become standard operating procedure.

  • @randommadness1021
    @randommadness1021 Год назад +6

    Did my request to get you to fly over Scotland when you were doing the live flying on this channel a few weeks back get you to research for accidents around Scotland? This is the second I've seen you do in this area of the world since that live event 😂
    Regardless, you have made me aware of 2 events that I hadn't ever heard of despite living here. So thanks for the info 👏
    Shocking that we don't hear about this stuff in our national news.

  • @F-Man
    @F-Man Год назад +4

    MINI!!!!!

  • @Nobilangelo
    @Nobilangelo Год назад +3

    Thank you for your videos. They are always well worth watching. But the volume of the sound is below the average used by other channels. I always have wind it up when I come here.

  • @davidlynch5205
    @davidlynch5205 Год назад

    Interesting report. One comment though. Its mentioned this was an A 340-600 aircraft yet the depictions are of a -500 , noted by the centre body landing gear.

    • @tomstravels520
      @tomstravels520 Год назад

      You mean -300, it depicts the CFM engines as well

  • @MothaLuva
    @MothaLuva Год назад +3

    ECAM = Extremely Confusing Annoyances and Menaces.

    • @exiletsj2570
      @exiletsj2570 Год назад

      ECAM = Extremely Confusing and Annoying Messages.

    • @davidwright7193
      @davidwright7193 Год назад

      Going “bing” and lighting up a button saying “master caution” lighting up for every fault is so much less informative.

    • @tomstravels520
      @tomstravels520 Год назад

      @@davidwright7193 better than a light that just says FUEL or HYD and then trying to work out what is wrong

  • @user-wh4db4ym7x
    @user-wh4db4ym7x Год назад

    Pilots brilliant!

  • @patshes1951
    @patshes1951 Год назад +2

    Well done for the pilots.

  • @rmccord17
    @rmccord17 Год назад +3

    Why is your volume so low?

  • @kevink2986
    @kevink2986 Год назад

    What's the ARINC?

  • @doggonemess1
    @doggonemess1 Год назад

    Huh, funny. It was an ARINC FCMC that failed. I used to work for ARINC - hope I had nothing to do with it! They went bust years ago and got chopped up by liquidators. By the way, the company name is pronounced "AIR ink". It stands for Aeronautical Radio Incorporated.

  • @StevenBanks123
    @StevenBanks123 Год назад

    Did Airbus rectify?

  • @yakacm
    @yakacm Год назад +4

    TBF Amsterdam is nearer to London than their alternative of Prestwick, lol.

    • @blackduckfarmcanada
      @blackduckfarmcanada Год назад +1

      Better to have a faraway alternate, that way you really make sure you have yhe fuel you need

    • @yakacm
      @yakacm Год назад +2

      @@blackduckfarmcanada Prestwick is about 650 miles away from London, I'd never heard of an alternative that far away, Maybe it was something to do with the weather on that day?

  • @thesisypheanjournal1271
    @thesisypheanjournal1271 Год назад +1

    It seems like the crew should have called the manufacturer to get instructions. It's been done before in other situations.

  • @rewolff2
    @rewolff2 26 дней назад

    FYI: On every emergency, Schiphol will give the plane a discrete frequency.

  • @AbdiPianoChannel
    @AbdiPianoChannel Год назад +2

    Great video but the audio level is low.

    • @beepbop6697
      @beepbop6697 Год назад +1

      ? Use your volume control on your device. The audio levels are fine.
      Could be a screwup in RUclips's re-encoding. Sound is quite loud on my Pixel phone device.

  • @samuelmatheson9655
    @samuelmatheson9655 Год назад +1

    Sounds like they need a terminal that just runs commands with no checks

  • @scaramonga
    @scaramonga Год назад

    Gotta luv automation.

  • @Dovietail
    @Dovietail Год назад +1

    "Something's wrong, and we don't know what it is, and we don't know how to fix it. Let's press on!" God spare us....

  • @timelwell7002
    @timelwell7002 Год назад +1

    Unless a permenant fix of this computer problem is found and implemented on ALL Airbus A 340 aircraft, then surely this could, and will happen again? If it does, might the next time end in disaster? For me, this is all very worrying.

  • @SgAVIATION4LIFE
    @SgAVIATION4LIFE 10 месяцев назад

    "This was quickly turning into Air trans filght 236 2.0" 😂😂😂😂

  • @grmpEqweer
    @grmpEqweer Год назад +1

    Moral of the story: kludges are not often good long-term solutions.

  • @kristensorensen2219
    @kristensorensen2219 Год назад +2

    #855👍😤Too much automation is never enough when it continues to fail!! This unique problem somehow just never got fixed🤔🌰s!!

  • @taridean
    @taridean Год назад

    I had to start the video again to focus on the narration. Somehow, I was distracted by how the A340 appears to have the slats extended and the horizontal stabilizer trimmed upwards with the elevators downwards at cruise.

  • @325im20
    @325im20 Год назад +3

    Sound is far too quiet.

  • @seanmchugh840
    @seanmchugh840 Год назад +2

    The system was too complicated but that's no excuse for ignoring a warning from it.

    • @gargoyle7863
      @gargoyle7863 Год назад

      agree, should have called engineering.

  • @jamest2401
    @jamest2401 Год назад +1

    The audio on this video was very quiet.

  • @braderyoutube1983
    @braderyoutube1983 Год назад

    the pilot are good ❤

  • @LenKusov
    @LenKusov Год назад

    Sometimes it seems like replacing the Flight Engineer's console with a glorified arduino might not have been the best decision; and IMO anything computerized needs to have a mechanical, hydraulic, pneumatic, or hard-wired backup for it because having your redundancy be "we have 2 of the same computer that have to agree with each other" doesn't really work when computers are fragile, fickle, full of buggy code, and (in the case of aircraft and spacecraft) constantly being exposed to bit-flips in RAM and ROM whenever they're at cruise altitude from the amount of cosmic radiation. Error checking can only do so much and when your plane's got an expected service life measured in decades, it's extremely concerning to trust a computer to be the only thing capable of performing a flight-critical task.

  • @sureshmukhi2316
    @sureshmukhi2316 Год назад +2

    1.1 k views in 37 minutes. Wow!

  • @jasmonahan
    @jasmonahan 3 месяца назад

    Did I miss the reason for running out of fuel?

  • @daibrent8871
    @daibrent8871 Год назад

    The flight number was VS201, not 207…